Things we tolerate
Geoffrey Brent
displayed is glasses (and indeed sunglasses.) (I think this sprung from
the "consort" thread.) Can anyone else think of some more examples ?
Here's three at least :
Sunscreen and insect repellant, etc.
Cigarettes (Raleigh was right at the very end of period, and filter-tips
were not around then. They're not too popular at Rowany either, because
they poison cattle)
Disinfectant, band-aids, etc...
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Pattie McGregor
Geoffrey the Quiet has picked up on the "things we tolerate" thread..
>One example of an OOP item the SCA tolerates no matter how blatantly
>displayed is glasses (and indeed sunglasses.) (I think this sprung from
>the "consort" thread.) Can anyone else think of some more examples ?
>Here's three at least :
>
>Sunscreen and insect repellant, etc.
>Cigarettes (Raleigh was right at the very end of period, and filter-tips
>were not around then. They're not too popular at Rowany either, because
>they poison cattle)
I don't think these are tolerated everywhere. Certainly it was not
in the central Middle Kingdom that I saw people smoking in court.
>
>Disinfectant, band-aids, etc...
Let me add some:
refrigerators/coolers/ice blocks
Stoves/camp stoves/ovens
port-a-potties
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>One example of an OOP item the SCA tolerates no matter how blatantly
>displayed is glasses (and indeed sunglasses.) (I think this sprung from
>the "consort" thread.) Can anyone else think of some more examples ?
>Here's three at least :
First of all, mechanical eyesight correction is period; see the
Complete Anachronist on the subject. Certainly the *form* of modern
eyeglasses isn't, but the concept is medieval (and I have seen a couple
of pairs of period eyeglasses in use at events.)
>Sunscreen and insect repellant, etc.
Doesn't really count, since they are not visible once applied. Smells,
funny, but then foriegners often do.
>Cigarettes (Raleigh was right at the very end of period, and filter-tips
>were not around then. They're not too popular at Rowany either, because
>they poison cattle)
Cigarettes are period??? I thought that all combustion of the American
Weed was in pipes in period?
>Disinfectant, band-aids, etc...
Again, disinfectant isn't usually visible once applied. The same
can't be said of 'flesh colored' bandaids on some of us, 'tis true...
Kwellend-Njal
Susan Carroll-Clark
More things we tolerate:
Non-period underwear! (:-)
watches (if well hidden): how often have you seen a schedule with
"Feast 6 pm, court 8:30" on it....exact time is only really coming
into fashion in the last couple hundred years of our period...
Other modern medical aids--i.e., wheelchairs, braces (legs and teeth)
prosthetic limbs, etc. Some of these do have medieval ancestors, though...
Tremendous religious diversity
I'll keep thinking....
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Michael Mormino
>One example of an OOP item the SCA tolerates no matter how blatantly
>displayed is glasses (and indeed sunglasses.) (I think this sprung from
>the "consort" thread.) Can anyone else think of some more examples ?
>Here's three at least :
Errick II
>One example of an OOP item the SCA tolerates no matter how blatantly
>displayed is glasses (and indeed sunglasses.) (I think this sprung from
>the "consort" thread.) Can anyone else think of some more examples ?
>There's always the quintessential soda or beer can...
Nope I don't think so...A drinking mug, horn, cup, or glass is much
better and will be period, and the term " would you like a brewski"
should be banned ;-).
Another OOP item the SCA tolerates is footware that looks like ye
olde motorcycle boot or the not so sneaky sneaker.
I'd rather be a pennsic...
Errick von Falkenburg
Rich Weissler
>Geoffrey Brent <gbr...@rschp1.anu.EDU.AU> writes:
>
>>One example of an OOP item the SCA tolerates no matter how blatantly
>>displayed is glasses (and indeed sunglasses.) (I think this sprung from
>>the "consort" thread.) Can anyone else think of some more examples ?
>
>There's always the quintessential soda or beer can...
Naw, there is no reason to tolerate aluminum beverage containers
when there are SO many beauteous period drinking vessels. Tell you
what, I'll advert my eyes while you pour thy beverage into one. :-)
Razmus the Innocent
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Nik Hughes
>
>One example of an OOP item the SCA tolerates no matter how blatantly
>displayed is glasses (and indeed sunglasses.) (I think this sprung from
>the "consort" thread.) Can anyone else think of some more examples ?
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Mike Andrews
scl...@epas.utoronto.ca (Susan Carroll-Clark) writes:
>Greetings!
> More things we tolerate:
>
> watches (if well hidden): how often have you seen a schedule with
>"Feast 6 pm, court 8:30" on it....exact time is only really coming
>into fashion in the last couple hundred years of our period...
Eh? My Nuremburg Egg isn't period? Drat! And Ld. Dmitri went to
such trouble to make it for me. It's a big, bulky, _cheap_
pocket-watch, with a Roman-numerals dial, an hour hand, a Laurel
wreath painted on the dial, and my arms on the back of the case.
Serves as an unobtrusive Laurel gong. _I_ like it.
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Robert G. Gleason
n...@ess.niaid.pc.niaid.nih.gov (Nik Hughes) writes:
> >Geoffrey Brent <gbr...@rschp1.anu.EDU.AU> writes:
> >
> >One example of an OOP item the SCA tolerates no matter how blatantly
> >displayed is glasses (and indeed sunglasses.) (I think this sprung from
> >the "consort" thread.) Can anyone else think of some more examples ?
>
> Duct Tape.
>
Hockey gloves
Mundane shoes/boots
Bar grills
No hats
Bare skin
Tobacco (ok it's late period)
Chocolate (same)
Water bearing equipment (you'll never take this from my dream)
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: One example of an OOP item the SCA tolerates no matter how blatantly
: displayed is glasses (and indeed sunglasses.) (I think this sprung from
Circa 1350 Italian......
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Geoffrey Brent
> >displayed is glasses (and indeed sunglasses.) (I think this sprung from
>
> Complete Anachronist on the subject. Certainly the *form* of modern
> eyeglasses isn't, but the concept is medieval (and I have seen a couple
> of pairs of period eyeglasses in use at events.)
Yes, but... that's like saying "The concept of clothes is period, even
if the form of modern clothes isn't." There's no question (as far as
I've seen) that modern glasses look totally OOP. (And yet the
Authenticity Nazi Laurel Fascists wear them shamelessly...:-)
>
> >Sunscreen and insect repellant, etc.
>
> Doesn't really count, since they are not visible once applied. Smells,
> funny, but then foriegners often do.
Sunscreen not visible ? How popular is zinc cream in the US ?
I tend to use enough "invisible" sunscreen that it's obvious to anyone
who cares. But then, I burn easily.
> >Disinfectant, band-aids, etc...
>
> Again, disinfectant isn't usually visible once applied. The same
> can't be said of 'flesh colored' bandaids on some of us, 'tis true...
Tell me about it ! Me, I find the white ones match better... is there
_anyone_ whose flesh matches "flesh colour" ?
While you can't see disinfectant once it's been applied, you can
certainly hear all about it...
> More things we tolerate:
>
> Non-period underwear! (:-)
> watches (if well hidden): how often have you seen a schedule with
> "Feast 6 pm, court 8:30" on it....exact time is only really coming
> into fashion in the last couple hundred years of our period...
And when the SCA started up it went straight out the window again...
> Tremendous religious diversity
I thought there was a fair bit of that in period. Why else were they
always fighting ? :-)
> There's always the quintessential soda or beer can...
You what ? One gentle of my acquaintance spent most of a Stitch and
Bitch making what looked like socks for people with rectangular feet.
When we asked him, it turned out they were Coke covers... We keep
plastic bottles firmly under the table, or transfer to something else.
Geoffrey Brent
OK, OK, I'm kicking myself. Right under my nose and I didn't spot it.
Ross Dickson
>> Duct Tape.
>
>OK, OK, I'm kicking myself. Right under my nose and I didn't spot it.
"Ow!" winced Angus, clapping a hand over his mustache...
Gwennis Mooncat
: Eh? My Nuremburg Egg isn't period? Drat! And Ld. Dmitri went to
: such trouble to make it for me. It's a big, bulky, _cheap_
: pocket-watch, with a Roman-numerals dial, an hour hand, a Laurel
: wreath painted on the dial, and my arms on the back of the case.
: Serves as an unobtrusive Laurel gong. _I_ like it.
sounds wonderful! i think i may make one...8-)
gwennis
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>One example of an OOP item the SCA tolerates no matter how blatantly
Good Gentle, I hate to disagree, but I believe that glasses are period,
although I think that bifocals and popular modern frame styles are not.
My memory is vague, but I believe that Master Einar Lutemaker wrote an
article in TI or CA a long time ago about making period eyeglasses.
I have also heard that sunglasses are period for archers. At some point
in our period they used pieces of smoked glass to shade their eyes when
shooting in bright sunlight. Of course modern styles are not likely to
look anything like period styles.
I hope that my information is accurate.
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Dear Master Michael,
I think (to my memory as I haven't seen you in two yrs) that you
always looked wonderous in your garb so I personally think that
your big, bulky, cheap, pocket watch lovingly gifted would only
serve to enhance not to detract from your period looking (and sounding)
self.
P.S. My mailer-daemon doesn't like sending you mail and returns it
to me.
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>In article <nik.12....@ess.niaid.pc.niaid.nih.gov>
>n...@ess.niaid.pc.niaid.nih.gov (Nik Hughes) writes:
>
>> >Geoffrey Brent <gbr...@rschp1.anu.EDU.AU> writes:
>> >
>> >One example of an OOP item the SCA tolerates no matter how blatantly
>> >displayed is glasses (and indeed sunglasses.) (I think this sprung from
>> >the "consort" thread.) Can anyone else think of some more examples ?
>>
>> Duct Tape.
>>
>
>Hockey gloves
>Mundane shoes/boots
>Bar grills
>No hats
>Bare skin
>Tobacco (ok it's late period)
>Chocolate (same)
Ah, but the Ansteorran A&S issue has an article, which claims to
document the numminess of Chocolate as period.... :) I would
eat it even without the documentation!
Lyle Gray
: >Bar grills
Sorry, these are period, depending on the helm style.
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Robert G. Gleason
gr...@ibis.cs.umass.edu (Lyle Gray) writes:
> : In article <32ojet$1...@louie.udel.edu> gle...@scf16.scf.loral.com (Robert G. Gleason) writes:
> : >Bar grills
>
> Sorry, these are period, depending on the helm style.
>
I knew someone was going to say this.
This is true to a point but we take the use of bar grills
farther than historically. For example, in most cases (though
there are examples) there was no bar grill used on the basinet.
Same goes for helms that had a nasal.
Parlan.
Susan Carroll-Clark
Another thing or two we tolerate:
Fantasy names. (Yeah, the CoA won't register them, but they still
get used...)
Title-stacking (i.e., "Count Sir Biff" "Baroness
Mistress Bunny", etc.)
Non-period armorial charges (once again, the CoA probably won't
register them, but *I've* seen shields painted up with Bart Simpson, the
Tasmanian Devil, etc.)
Cheers--
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scl...@epas.utoronto.ca
Dennis Clark
: In article <32t6p9$m...@opine.cs.umass.edu>
: gr...@ibis.cs.umass.edu (Lyle Gray) writes:
: > : In article <32ojet$1...@louie.udel.edu> gle...@scf16.scf.loral.com (Robert G. Gleason) writes:
: > : >Bar grills
: >
: > Sorry, these are period, depending on the helm style.
: >
: I knew someone was going to say this.
: This is true to a point but we take the use of bar grills
: farther than historically. For example, in most cases (though
: there are examples) there was no bar grill used on the basinet.
: Same goes for helms that had a nasal.
: Parlan.
Not true. In many of my tournament books I see parade helms that are
bar grilled so you can see the occupant. Also, 15th and 16th century
German "club" tournaments clearly detailed the use of special lightened
leather armor with air-holes and barred helms. This type of tournament was
also done in England and one of my books even details the cost of each of
these special types of weapons and armor. We can perhaps pick nits over
specific types of helms that had bars, but that is dependent upon the time
period of the tournament and its nation/location.
Since what we do is primarily tournament, the use of "club-tournament"
helms and armor is not only period, its proper.
Kevin
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: >Geoffrey Brent <gbr...@rschp1.anu.EDU.AU> writes:
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: >One example of an OOP item the SCA tolerates no matter how blatantly
: >displayed is glasses (and indeed sunglasses.) (I think this sprung from
: >the "consort" thread.) Can anyone else think of some more examples ?
:
: Duct Tape.
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: > >One example of an OOP item the SCA tolerates no matter how blatantly
: > >displayed is glasses (and indeed sunglasses.) (I think this sprung from
: > >the "consort" thread.) Can anyone else think of some more examples ?
: > >Here's three at least :
: >
: > First of all, mechanical eyesight correction is period; see the
: > Complete Anachronist on the subject. Certainly the *form* of modern
: > eyeglasses isn't, but the concept is medieval (and I have seen a couple
: > of pairs of period eyeglasses in use at events.)
: Yes, but... that's like saying "The concept of clothes is period, even
: if the form of modern clothes isn't." There's no question (as far as
: I've seen) that modern glasses look totally OOP. (And yet the
: Authenticity Nazi Laurel Fascists wear them shamelessly...:-)
And period-looking eyewear can be had... I mind me of the eyeglasses Dame
T'sivia wore when she came down to Ruantallan for its Investiture... of
course, that was after I had notices the rest of her rig (talk about
impressive!)
: > >Sunscreen and insect repellant, etc. : >
: > Doesn't really count, since they are not visible once applied. Smells,
: > funny, but then foriegners often do.
: Sunscreen not visible ? How popular is zinc cream in the US ?
: I tend to use enough "invisible" sunscreen that it's obvious to anyone
: who cares. But then, I burn easily.
You can get `flesh' coloured sunscreen, too... once it's applied, it is
not at all visible... bug juice is usually not cream-based, but the
smell, unless one uses Skintastic or Skin-so-soft (still the best bet,
for my money) is pretty ghastly.
: > >Disinfectant, band-aids, etc...
: >
: > Again, disinfectant isn't usually visible once applied. The same
: > can't be said of 'flesh colored' bandaids on some of us, 'tis true...
: Tell me about it ! Me, I find the white ones match better... is there
: _anyone_ whose flesh matches "flesh colour" ?
My flesh did once... of course, that was after about a week of standing
night watches and not getting out on the weather decks... :-)
: While you can't see disinfectant once it's been applied, you can
: certainly hear all about it...
: > More things we tolerate:
: >
: > Non-period underwear! (:-)
: > watches (if well hidden): how often have you seen a schedule with
: > "Feast 6 pm, court 8:30" on it....exact time is only really coming
: > into fashion in the last couple hundred years of our period...
: And when the SCA started up it went straight out the window again...
: > Tremendous religious diversity
: I thought there was a fair bit of that in period. Why else were they
: always fighting ? :-)
There was religious diversity. Nobody was tolerating it, though :-)
: > There's always the quintessential soda or beer can...
: You what ? One gentle of my acquaintance spent most of a Stitch and
: Bitch making what looked like socks for people with rectangular feet.
: When we asked him, it turned out they were Coke covers... We keep
: plastic bottles firmly under the table, or transfer to something else.
: --
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Parlan wrote:
>: ...we take the use of bar grills farther than historically. For
>: example, in most cases (though there are examples) there was no bar
>: grill used on the basinet. Same goes for helms that had a nasal.
Kevin replied:
> Not true. In many of my tournament books I see parade helms that are
> bar grilled so you can see the occupant. Also, 15th and 16th century
> German "club" tournaments clearly detailed the use of special lightened
> leather armor with air-holes and barred helms.
The two observations are not incompatible, Kevin. Parlan observed that bar
grills were not used on kinds of helms; you observed that they were used on
other kinds of helms. So what's not true?
Bastian
>> Geoffrey Brent (gbr...@rschp1.anu.EDU.AU) wrote:
>> : One example of an OOP item the SCA tolerates no matter how blatantly
>> : displayed is glasses (and indeed sunglasses.) (I think this sprung from
>
> Circa 1350 Italian......
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Sunglasses??? Do tell? Please - I'd love to be able to excuse them!
Meanwhile I wear dark veils... and big hats... and sit in the shade.
(I knew I was an Italian for a reason - we get all the best gadgets...
Foppish things like forks, for instance.)
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> Sunglasses??? Do tell? Please - I'd love to be able to excuse them!
period or no, some of us value our eye's more than "authenticity" - especially
in these day's of increased UV exposure ... even more so here in the far
southern deserts of ansteorra (made worse by a genetic package evolved in the
northern celtic realms of cloud and shade ... ie: ice blue eye's, no glare
tolerance whatsover). so, winter or summer it's the wrap-around gargoyles for
this boyo ... along with a hat (don't leave home without it).
.. and polycarbonate sports glasses under the fighting helmet
'wolf
Suze Hammond
CARS! Trucks, busses, trains, planes and CARS CARS CARS....
My secret wish is for an event site where, just once, people would have
the option of experiencing packing all their stuff in on pack animals,
such as ponies or burros, or even to harness up oxen or horses to carts.
We're missing a major part of medieval experience here.
... "Maytag" is my middle name; I'm an agitator.
Rich Weissler
>My secret wish is for an event site where, just once, people would have
>the option of experiencing packing all their stuff in on pack animals,
>such as ponies or burros, or even to harness up oxen or horses to carts.
Oh my goodness! My roommate and friends came back from Pensic
complaining about rain and mud... I think the mud is realtively EASY
to deal with compared to what ponies and burros leave behind... (I
went to school in Black Diamond, Atlantia for six years... it was bad
enough when the wind changed direction - and the cattle and horses
were over a mile away from campus!)
It _would_ make for a fun event... but I'm wise enough to know who
would likely end up volunteering to clean up. :-)
Barbara Nostrand
Frequently, when folks start listing things which are OOP, they wind up
including things which were actually in period. Please be careful about
checking when things started to show up before decrying them as OOP.
There is a CA article about period glasses for example.
Your Humble Servant
Solveig Throndardottir
Totally Ignorant
Barbara Nostrand
If I recall correctly, bifocals were invented by Benjamin Franklin. That
makes them much older than some of the dances currently popular in the
society. I suppose I should print out this entire thread and find all of
the supposably non-operiod things which I can show to be period. (I
don't claim to be able to find all of them.) Incidentally, hats were
not univeral during period. This is particularly true for unwed women
who customarily wore their hair uncovered in several cultures. Hat
wearing persisted up until the 1960's when it became unpopular.
Brian Meek
On the subject of cameras and other oddities, I saw a neat device at Pennsic
this year. (actually 2 neat devices..)
the first consisted of a small wicker basket with a little piece of deerskin
as a top cover. The deerskin flopped over the sides a small distance, thus
neatly concealing the two camera ports cut into the sides of the basket.
(a lady's hand basket) the two cameras sat back to back,one had a 50MM lens,
and the other had a 28, both had 'silentwinders', and a pair of cable
releases running up into the handle of the basket. For the ultimate in
stealth photography... (for the curious, one of them was a Zeiss Ikon,
and the whole mess was rigged by an ex-fed.) the other neat trick I saw,
besides some ingenious methods of dealing with rain and mud involved the
use of a small wine cask to conceal a videocamera....the lens peeked out
of the bunghole. (of course) The cask was shoulder held most of the time.
As to the ?treat? of packing our gear into an event site, errr...
My lady has horses; Near as we can tell, they are cleverly designed self
mobile fertilising machines. the fact that you can ride them is
irrelevant to their greater purpose, which appears to be to take in vast
quantities of grass and other munchables (such as poison ivy, oddly), and
then to convert said grass to equally vast quantities of high quality
fertiliser. (manure)
Thanks all the same, but I don't think most SCA people really know, or
even want to know how to deal with draft animals.
(eek! that stinks!....what do you mean? Shovel it? ....)
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> ... experiencing packing all their stuff in on pack animals,
> such as ponies or burros ...
I think i'll stick to my harley ... after all, someone left all these marvelous
roads, and it works so well on them (must have been crafted by one of the
de Dannan smiths ...)
'wolf
Dorothy J Heydt
Brian Meek <alb...@infinet.com> wrote:
[description of two devices for concealing cameras]
And then there's my lord husband, Hal Ravn. He just wanders
around carrying the camera. It dangles at the end of his arm.
Nobody notices it. Something in his manner hypnotizes everyone
into the illustion that there is no camera there. They don't
even notice it when he points it at them. He gets a lot of good
candids that way.
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PRO DEO ET REGE
Susan Carroll-Clark
Concealed cameras do have their negatives. A friend of mine
was down at the Classic Swimming Hole when someone was discovered with
a concealed camera. The gentles who discovered it removed the film
from the offending device.
(and yes, I just noticed the pun in the first sentence!:-)
Cheers!
Nicolaa/Susan
Canton of Eoforwic
scl...@epas.utoronto.ca
Charly The Bastard
SH>would have
SH>the option of experiencing packing all their stuff in on pack
SH>animals,
SH>such as ponies or burros, or even to harness up oxen or horses to
SH>carts.
SH>We're missing a major part of medieval experience here.
SH>... "Maytag" is my middle name; I'm an agitator.
Ever tried to load a burro with an attitude? I have, not a pretty sight at
all. The little beastie didn't favor the weight distribution and tried to
bite my right kneecap off. I'll keep the one ton, thanx.
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Andrixos
>Ever tried to load a burro with an attitude?
I would think that loading with camping gear would be hard enough, without
adding additional emotional baggage. <G>
Andrixos
F.L. Watkins
The idea of humping all your equipment into a site without use of
a car or other mechanical means has been tried in some reenactments.
Some rendezvous are so situated that the final distance must be
traversed on a mount or by foot (and I won't even mention getting
out of Pennsic IV another time...). One unit I know of did the same
at an event even though they could have driven in, and then there
are the various commercial wagon trains that allow folks to rough
it out (I've never been on one, mind you, but I've seen articles
in TRAVEL sections of the paper).
Frankly, I would love to see such a thing...with one caveat. Since
not everyone owns a horse (or ox or burro...), the sponsoring
group would have to provide the transportation. How much *would*
it cost to lease an ox and an ox cart for a weekend?
And if the encampment/event was truly primitive, with none of the
niceties that we tolerate, it would be even more fun. Of course,
I'm afraid we're not talking about the SCA here. With SCA authenticity
regs being as they are, could we even refuse to allow modern
niceties on the site?
And how many people would truly want this experience? A goodly
number, I believe, but I'm uncertain as to whether a large
number of these would be able to attend the event (rationale:
the number of people interested is probably a small ratio at
*any* geographic locale). Would having a small event truly be
a bad thing?
Loads of questions and conjecture. Let's forget about the majority
who are, even now, shuddering over the idea. How many of those who
are intrigued would be willing to undergo this sort of inconvenience
in the name of...ahem, fun?
Yrs, Folo
(who probably would, but then he's done a lot of stupid things in
the past...)
--
Damin de Folo - F.L.Watkins - fo...@prairienet.org
Baron Wurm Wald (MidRealm) - Commander Baldwin's (NWTA)
"I Guess We Know Who Wears the Clamps in This Family..."
Zach
>And if the encampment/event was truly primitive, with none of the
>niceties that we tolerate, it would be even more fun. Of course,
>I'm afraid we're not talking about the SCA here. With SCA authenticity
>regs being as they are, could we even refuse to allow modern
>niceties on the site?
As far as modern stuff I would definitly like enough avalable water
and port-o-johns with the sani-stuff so that I did not get one of the
nasty illnesses that are all too period.
Also a fast method of egress in case of medical emergency is a
nessesity IMHO.
There are some parts of the 20th cent I will not live without.
This is Zach, Guiliam lived many years before L. Pasture did
Bruce Mills
does pique a certain amount of interest) health concerns should be
addressed. I am sure that just about anywhere you go there are more
than enough rules and regulations about the disposal of waste, human and
otherwise.
Akimoya
Geoffrey Brent
My lord ! Surely you jest ! My seamstress Singer (to give a servant two
names is surely excessive) sat up until half past five last Saturday
morning trying to finish a doublet ! She is somewhat slow-witted, but if
given specific instructions and a little help it is miraculous what can
be done.
Alas, her hands are too large to cuff sleeves, so I had to do that
myself. She had also been known to sew with too much vigour, and break
needles in so doing (try sewing through twelve layers of material some
time... at least I can be assured it will be protective.) But she is
very fast. She has also perfected a strange manner of sewing that lets
her use two threads at once, in different colours, so that the seams can
match both sides of the material at once. How this is possible is beyond
me, but she seems to manage.
But in any case, if you're nice enough to the people who know how to
make things, they'll give you an awful lot of help... Stitch and Bitch
meetings are a godsend, as are all those competent costumers who
regularly attend and help, enthusiastically.
Lyle Gray
: My seamstress Singer ... has also perfected a strange manner of sewing that
: lets her use two threads at once, in different colours, so that the seams
: can match both sides of the material at once. How this is possible is beyond
: me, but she seems to manage.
Why, surely that's simple! All she needs to do is couch the thread, and pull
the couching down so that the couched thread is set into the fabric! I have
done so myself (sometimes by accident...)
Dorothy J Heydt
Lyle Gray <gr...@ibis.cs.umass.edu> wrote:
>Geoffrey Brent (gbr...@rschp1.anu.EDU.AU) wrote:
>
>: My seamstress Singer ... has also perfected a strange manner of sewing that
>: can match both sides of the material at once. How this is possible is beyond
>: me, but she seems to manage.
>
>Why, surely that's simple! All she needs to do is couch the thread, and pull
Yes, it's an old English technique, used in our famous _opus
Anglicanum. My old seamstress does it too, but you have to watch
her every minute so it doesn't save me _that_ much time.
Phyllis Gilmore
(Geoffrey Brent) wrote:
>> Lack of servants.
>
>My lord ! Surely you jest ! My seamstress Singer (to give a servant two
>names is surely excessive) sat up until half past five last Saturday
>morning trying to finish a doublet !
Why Geoffrey, how good of you to express the very thought I had!
My plaint on this subject is age-old, however: A good servant is
hard to find. I find it wondrous strange that I too, had a
seamstress named Singer, but I had to let her go when her laziness
lept over all bounds. She sought retribution for my just commands
by trying to destroy my garments! Somehow it did not surprise me
when she left my manor to become a camp follower (though how any
warrior band dare call itself a "salvation" army, I do not know!).
The young lady who now sews for me, by the name of Kenmore, is a
charm. She is simple-minded but dilligent and accurate--what more
can I ask?
Likewise, I once employed a scribe named Apple who much preferred to
play games all night to the preparation of letters and accounts. Now
that I have my trusty Scottish scribe, hight Macintosh, all is well.
Now, if I could only get Mistress Hoover keep the dust from the tops
of the furniture as well as she keeps it off the floor, I would be
content.
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SCA: Philippa de Ecosse, Lyondemere, Caid
mka: Phyllis Gilmore, Santa Monica and Torrance, CA
My opinions are my own, unless donated. All contributions welcome.
Robert Arthur Ayotte
: My plaint on this subject is age-old, however: A good servant is
: hard to find. I find it wondrous strange that I too, had a
: seamstress named Singer, but I had to let her go when her laziness
: lept over all bounds. She sought retribution for my just commands
: by trying to destroy my garments! Somehow it did not surprise me
: when she left my manor to become a camp follower (though how any
: warrior band dare call itself a "salvation" army, I do not know!).
: ******************************************
: SCA: Philippa de Ecosse, Lyondemere, Caid
: mka: Phyllis Gilmore, Santa Monica and Torrance, CA
: My opinions are my own, unless donated. All contributions welcome.
My Good Lady, Greetings;
Ey' tis known to me the Army thou doth speak of, for oft
times I have heard it call unto mine own servants. Twoud seem they are
off to the Crusades, after all why else call them "The Salvation Army"...
Horace, to pun is to live.
kwil...@kbbs.com
*...Stitch and bitch sessions....
Why, Geoffrey! I first heard that term used in reference to an,
*ahem*, costumers' meeting around AS XII or so, here in sunny Caid. How
interesting to see that it's making the rounds, so to speak!
I call my Scandinavian sempster-golem (a computerized Viking) Mistress
MacHinery, after the children's book I read about the time I entered the
SCA called Sir MacHinery, which involved a robot and Loch Ness...
ciorstan
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>I call my Scandinavian sempster-golem (a computerized Viking) Mistress
>MacHinery, after the children's book I read about the time I entered the
>SCA called Sir MacHinery, which involved a robot and Loch Ness...
...not to mention a smallish historical figure call Arthur....
Reynard
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"Well, Darkness has a hunger that's insatiable,
And Lightness has a call that's hard to hear" -- Indigo Girls
William James Macbeth Underhill
: In Article <940830013...@mc.lcs.mit.edu>, gbr...@rschp1.anu.EDU.AU
: (Geoffrey Brent) wrote:
: >> Lack of servants.
: >
: >My lord ! Surely you jest ! My seamstress Singer (to give a servant two
: Likewise, I once employed a scribe named Apple who much preferred to
...[deletia]...
: Now, if I could only get Mistress Hoover keep the dust from the tops
For my lady and myself, we have had a number of these seamstresses come
and go; by name Singer ('ow that woman do get around!), Kenmore, and many
others. Currently we have a Latin lass by the name of Optima, who sews
very well indeed, and who seems able to understand my scribe, Poor Charles.
As for our floors, surely we have the noblest of maids -- for how else
may we explain that she is known as the Queen of Filters?
My tuppence,
William the Mariner
no
used to sing back when we were allowed to sew in the barn and in the
bathhouse at Pennsic:
Look for the Pennsic label
When you are buying a tunic or cloak,
Remember somewhere a lady's sewing
Her money going to feed a Horde of Hungry Folk.
We work hard, but who's complaining
For through the SCA we're paying our way
So always look for the Pennsic label
It says we're able to make it in the SCA!
I remember one day when we were climbing over tables waving our half sewn
garb in the air, cheerfully singing this song, only slightly off key...it
was a long hot day, and the sewing had begun to get to us, I guess...
Megan
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