Circlets (Award of Arms)
Dorothy J Heydt
>[What are the rules, in kingdoms other than the Outlands, about
circlets (as distinguished from coronets)?]
In the West, anyone can wear a circlet, metal or otherwise.
Ducal, comital, and vicomital coronets have distinctive shapes
(strawberry leaves, embattlements, and four evenly-spaced points,
respectively); the Crowns of the West and the Coronets of the
Principalities have their own distinctive shapes, which one
learns to recognize.
The coronets of most of the Territorial Barons also have shapes
that one learns to recognize. Many of them do *not* include
pearls (this surprised an Eastern Baroness very much when she
visited here). Most Court Barons and Baronesses don't bother to
wear coronets of any kind at all. I can think of two offhand,
one nice gentleman whose court barony is about all he's got other
than his AoA, and one highly respected lady who has sewn pearls
along the edge of her embroidered headband which lets you know
that she is also a Laurel, a Pelican, and a Golden Poppy (arts
competition award).
But except in court--sometimes not even then--many people
entitled to wear spiffy coronets, don't. Unless to hold a veil
on.
I realize this is probably more information on Western practices
than the lady from the Outlands cares to have. But it's about
time for another Interkingdom Anthropology thread....
Dorothea of Caer-Myrddin Dorothy J. Heydt
Mists/Mists/West UC Berkeley
Argent, a cross forme'e sable djh...@uclink.berkeley.edu
PRO DEO ET REGE
Eric C. Smith
> What I would like to know, is the opinon
> and laws of persons/kingdoms beyond the Outlands, to help me think upon a
> course of action. I am not very familiar with the rialto, so if you would
> care to respond to me directly please do so at: sel...@unm.edu
> And again please responces from outside the Outlands only-I don't want to
> start a range war.
In Trimaris, our sumptuary laws clearly define who is allowed to wear what
in the way of circlets.
(Excuse me if I don't post the exact sections as I don't have an e-copy,
h-copy, or an m-copy with me)
A person with an AoA is entitled to wear a plain metal circlet which is no
more than 1/4 inch in width.
A person with a GoA is entitled to wear a plain metal circlet which does
not exceed 1/2 inch in width.
A person with a PoA is entitled to wear a more elaboratly designed circlet
and may be adorned with a single stone (I think thats the way it works
though I could be completely wrong. The stone may apply to thew GoA.), as
well as all their other regalia.
From there we move to the different types of coronets, which I won't go into.
I will state that a circlet is held to be a metal band with no protrusions
above the top edge of the band. Any circlet which has protrusions above
the top edge of the band is held to be a coronet of some type.
The Trimarian Sumptuary Laws goes on to state that these laws will be
enforced as thay were in period, that is to say, not at all.
Personally, I wear a circlet because it is the only piece of jewelry that
I think looks good on me.
Diolch
Maredudd
--
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Don Lowery
court barony. This is done here so as to remove any confusion about titles
of address. One can tell a newbie that "if you see someone with any type
of brass hat (circlet, whatever)...that they are addressed as 'Your
Excellency' as a minimum." Obviously, we attempt to point out Dukes,
Princes, Kings and their consorts as soon as possible to make sure they
don't make the standard mistakes of calling a King "Your Excellency."
Makes it easy and less confusing for them.
Robert G. Gleason
Then what do your ladys and Ladys use to keep their scarves/veils on? Pins?
Parlan
Phyllis Gilmore
Same question. I now have a circlet (of three braided metals), and
my veil is much more inclined to stay in place than with anything
else I tried.
Also, the biggest problem I've noticed is that society notions
of headgear don't match the related mundane notions. (As with
so many other things, reality interferes with recognition of
SCA symbols.) "Out there," at least in England, a ducal cornet
has eight points tipped with pearls, a marquess has four pearls
and four oak leaves, an earl has eight oak leaves, and a vicount
has four oak leaves. Other styles of metal circles are
archaic today, but I'd hazard a guess that they were just used
to keep the veil down in a (light) gust of wind.
But in any case, I know royal headgear when I see it <grin>.
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Don Lowery
<my own babble deleted>
> Then what do your ladys and Ladys use to keep their scarves/veils on?
> Pins?
pins...braided ties...things of that nature. Basically...circlets for
AoA's is a no-no...
Jonathan
Dorothy J Heydt
Eric C. Smith <Eric.S...@kmail.ksc.nasa.gov> wrote:
>The Trimarian Sumptuary Laws goes on to state that these laws will be
>enforced as thay were in period, that is to say, not at all.
Oh, I like that.
In the West, we have very few sumptuary laws, but some sumptuary
*customs* that are very hard to get around. Most of which boil
down to "Don't show off."
Michael A. Chance
>Any noble can wear a flat-top coronet. In addition, one with strawberry
>leaves is a ducal coronet, dove-tailed or embattled is comital,
>semicircles is viscontal, pearled is baronial, and flashing neon lights is
>comical.
Baron Crag Duggin here in Calontir has a coronet with flashing LEDs
for stones. When I saw it last at Coronation, he said he was going to
try to figure out how to get them to flash out messages in Morse code,
like "Help! I'm being held hostage in Court!"
Mikjal Annarbjorn
--
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Eric McCollum
<rgle...@srs.loral.com> writes:
>
>Don Lowery <low...@mozart.biosci.arizona.edu> wrote:
>>Here in Atenveldt one would not wear any sort of circlet without at
>>least a court barony. This is done here so as to remove any
>>confusion about titles of address. One can tell a newbie that "if
>>you see someone with any type of brass hat (circlet, whatever)...that
>>they are addressed as 'Your Excellency' as a minimum." Obviously,
>>we attempt to point out Dukes, Princes, Kings and their consorts as
>>soon as possible to make sure they don't make the standard mistakes
>>of calling a King "Your Excellency." Makes it easy and less confusing
>>for them.
>
Pins?
>
in that area don't wear scarves/veils. Perhaps that is why. I know my
snood kept falling off, even with tons of bobby pins.
Does anyone know the policy on circlets in the Midrealm?
Gwendolen Wold
Elise Fleming
McCollum ) writes:
(much material deleted)
>
>Does anyone know the policy on circlets in the Midrealm?
To my knowledge there is no formal policy. Circlets are fine. Coronets
are what has been described before with projections above the band and
in the form of strawberry leaves, etc., for Duke, Count, and female
equivalents. You don't have to have an AoA to wear a metal circlet.
You can wear one with a stone in it. If you would wear one with six
stones someone might think you are a Baron/ess, Court or otherwise.
A thought...A complaint was made about a snood falling off. If so,
perhaps it isn't big enough to contain all the hair she has in it. A
larger snood might stay up better.
Alys Katharine, OL, OP
Arval d'Espas Nord
Greetings from Arval! Zachary Kessin asked:
> The big question to me: do any of these rules have to do with period
> practice?
Nothing at all. In period, a crown, coronet, or coronel was a piece of
jewelry. People with lots of money could wear fancier jewelry, and
sometimes did. The complexity of a coronet had no relationship whatsoever
to the rank of the person wearing it. The notion that we can read
someone's rank from his jewelry and clothing is sheerest balderdash, owing
more to Napoleonic France than any part of the Middle Ages.
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Matt Stum (SCA: Gwydion ap Myrddin)
>Does anyone know the policy on circlets in the Midrealm?
The latest copy of Midrealm Laws that I have is the 1992 edition, but I don't
things have changed that much along the lines of "head ornamentation".
Starting from the top, down:
(No mention of head ornamentation for the Sovereign and Consort, so I guess
they can wear whatever the hell they want... or nothing at all...)
The Tanist and Tanist's Consort may wear crowns of silver ornamented as
they see fit.
The Prince/Princess of a Principality may wear coronets dancetty of silver,
ornamented as they see fit.
Dukes and Duchesses may wear coronets with strawberry leaves, all gold,
ornamented as they see fit.
Counts and Countesses may wear coronets embattled, all gold, ornamented as
they see fit.
Viscounts and Viscountesses may wear coronets embattled, all silver,
ornamented as they see fit.
Landed Barons and Baronesses may wear simple gold coronets with six pearls
(or spheroids).
Court Barons and Baronesses may wear simple silver coronets with six
pearls (or spheroids).
That's it. All it says about those with AoA's is that they may wear medallions
with their arms and a crown dancetty above those arms.
From what I've seen, it's a-okay for the general populace to wear thin
(less than a centimeter?) circlets of either gold or silver for decoration
or holding your veil on, as the case may be.
I would assume that as long as you don't ornament it in any way (no pearls,
no leaves, no embattlements, no dancetty, etc.) you'd be okay.
So what's the difference between a "crown" and a "coronet", anyway?
Gwydion
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Mark Schuldenfrei
Here in Atenveldt one would not wear any sort of circlet without at least a
court barony. This is done here so as to remove any confusion about titles
of address.
Ah, if only the real middle ages had been so conveniently organized. How
did they survive the chaos? Ah well, perhaps that is why it was the Dark
Ages. (:-)
Robert G. Gleason <rgle...@srs.loral.com> wrote:
Then what do your ladys and Ladys use to keep their scarves/veils on? Pins?
Nails. Great Honkin' Nails. (:-)
Tibor (It's been a rough day.)
--
Mark Schuldenfrei (sch...@math.harvard.edu)
I fear no rumors! Their pathetic imaginations cannot hope to rival..
er... .... the truth. -- Ilya
Henry Troup
>who said that people "shouldn't" wear one until receiving an AoA, but
>I never heard that said in Indiana or Illinois. The Midrealm is a big
Someone tried to slip that into a list of "sumptuary customs" printed
in the _Pale_: there was protest. In Ealdormere, some people have
taken some heat for things that were confusable with coronets of rank.
IMHO, (actually In My Baronial and Heraldic Opinion), people in the
real Middle Ages with the money and influence did exactly the
same thing. Bleep 'em if they can't take a joke.
The Vipper (now landless) Baron, Henry of Linlithgow, Trillium Herald
extremely emeritus...
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DEREK BROUGHTON
sel...@unm.edu (celine/cynthia) wrote:
CA>Although here in the Outlands we have a number of traditions regarding
CA>the wearing of metal upon ones head, we do not have definite distinctions
CA>between what is a circlet vrs. a coronet, or if there are any. We do not in
...
CA>What I would like to know, is the opinon
CA>and laws of persons/kingdoms beyond the Outlands, to help me think upon a
I'm unclear about the current 'legal' status of circlets in the
Middle. Certainly, a couple with quite gaudy 1" circlets
(definitely legal at the time) were a sensation two or three
years ago. I'm certain that a plain band, 1/2" or less is legal.
Anything with leaves or a few evenly spaced large stones is
suspect and frowned upon, if not actually banned.
Coryn llith Rheged | Canton of Wessex Mere
mka Derek Broughton | Barony of Ramshaven
derek.b...@onlinesys.com | Principality of Ealdormere
| Middle Kingdom
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C. Kevin Kellogg
Caid has no laws, as such, but it is custom to not
wear a metal circlet until awarded an AoA or above. I try
to discourage the custom (of waiting) whenever possible.
Avenel Kellough
Neil Peterson
: In article <47r24t$o...@ixnews2.ix.netcom.com>,
: Eric McCollum <eri...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
: >
: >Does anyone know the policy on circlets in the Midrealm?
: During my fifteen years in the Midrealm, the party line was that anyone
: could wear a circlet (defined, I believe, as a metal band under a
: half-inch--or maybe it was half-inch or under) as long as it could not be
: confused with a crown or coronet.
I felt that it was proper to follow up on at least the Midrealm thread as I
have some unique knowledge. Several years ago my (then) lady and I were
known for -- shall we politely say causing people to rethink "the way
things are".
We studied the Midrealm sumptuary laws until we could quote them and then
spoke with a like minded jewler about having a couple of AoA acceptable
headbands made. The intent was to stay within the letter of the law
while smashing the spirit of it (an honourable norse practice).
The circlets were finished and worn. You should have seen the smoke!
These were about 1&1/4 " high rising to a single peak and showing one
large central stone "decorated as we saw fit" (i.e. lots of scroll work,
several other gems, etc). We had several consecutive sets of royalty
"speak" with us both directly and through second parties and one set even
went so far as to BAN the hats (grin).
Then the midrealm got stuffy and changed the laws to restrict AoA
circlets to less than 1" and added a couple of more snips to that law,
making those hats illegal.
What was, perhaps, the funniest part of all of this was people's
reactions. They covered the spectrum from one extreme to the other. I
remember walking one night at pennsic with the lady in question and
hearing her addressed as "your gracelency" (someone wanted to cover all
of the possibilities I guess). My favourite was the baron of (I believe)
Castle Rouge. One evening he noticed me, came over bowed, addressed me as
"your excellency" and mentioned that he didn't recognize the hat design
what rank was it? We had a VERY polite and very interresting conversation.
The lady was actually hoping that some royalty would call her up in court
and fine her so that she could flaunt the sumptuary fine which she
mentioned is very proper for her personna. (who can figure a lancastrian
out). Unfortunately they just changed the laws instead. Typical
midrealm attitude.
Oh well at least it caused a wonderful spate of new circlets in
Ealdormere for a while (before the new law made 14 of 17 illegal [by my
count]). People also started looking less at the hat and more at the
person under it (which strikes me as a good idea).
Ah yes the wonderful days when I wasn't old and tired.
Ragnar Neil Peterson
Vintner and Viking Computer dude
House Venshavn Radio Computing Services (RCS)
Ealdormere Kitchener, Ont
BRgarwood
writes:
>During my fifteen years in the Midrealm, the party line was that anyone
>could wear a circlet (defined, I believe, as a metal band under a
>half-inch--or maybe it was half-inch or under) as long as it could not be
darn. I went to look up the MK sumptuary laws regarding circlets, and my
1992 copy is from before when they were allowed. I can't quote chapeter
and verse on the revised laws, (Probably Article IX-210) , but persons
with an AoA may wear a plain gold circlet not exceeding one inch at the
widest point. I've heard byt can't confirm that it can have a single
dance (point), and that it may be ornamented as long as its not so as to
be confused with the other types.
MK Also alows armigers to wear medalions with their arms and a crown
dancety above the arms.
Berwyn, Midlands Herald (Until they come up with a name for my new office)
IVA...@delphi.com
Quoting system from a message in rec.org.sca
>So what's the difference between a "crown" and a "coronet", anyway?
I suspect the term coronet may have come in to describe the simple circular
crown when royal/imperial crowns acquired the arches you see in the British
crown... It literally means small crown.
Carolyn Boselli, Host of Custom Forum 35, SCAdians on Delphi
Cohost of Caregivers' Topic GO REF MED (Doing our best for loved ones)
I came, I saw, I had no idea what was going on, so I left.
Jennifer Geard
: The Tanist and Tanist's Consort may wear crowns of silver ornamented as
: they see fit. [Etc]
Just a question: are there any examples of medieval European crowns made
of silver? Of anything but gold?
Alis
Dorothy J Heydt
Jennifer Geard <li89...@kauri.vuw.ac.nz> wrote:
>
>Just a question: are there any examples of medieval European crowns made
>of silver? Of anything but gold?
Even if not, who can afford gold these days? We're doing pretty
good to have silver.
Susan Carroll-Clark
When I went to my first SCA event five years ago, I did what had
become almost customary in my area: Bought one of Master Sylard's circlets.
I wore that thing off and on for the next year and a bit, after which I
got my AoA. In that whole time I don't think I had a single comment about
it other than "that's one of Sylard's, isn't it?" Just shows--YMMV.
Interestingly enough, I have _never_ seen anyone who's
actually put their device on a pendant under a crown dancetty after getting
an AoA. It's an example of a sumptuary law/custom with almost no basis
in reality. Where on earth did it come from, and why don't they just drop
it, since no one seems to actually _do_ it?
Cheers!
Nicolaa/Susan
Canton of Eoforwic
scl...@epas.utoronto.ca
rosalyn rice
Susan Carroll-Clark <scl...@blues.epas.utoronto.ca> wrote:
> Interestingly enough, I have _never_ seen anyone who's
>actually put their device on a pendant under a crown dancetty after getting
>an AoA. It's an example of a sumptuary law/custom with almost no basis
>in reality. Where on earth did it come from, and why don't they just drop
>it, since no one seems to actually _do_ it?
Sumptuary laws happen because of heralds with too much time on their
hands.
About 3-4 years ago when he was feeling frisky Thorvald Redhair
issued a whole pile of sumptuary laws. I have no idea where they came
from. They were probably cribbed from Fox-Davies. Certainly any
resemblance to actual Period sumptuary laws or heraldic display customs is
pure coincidence.
Feel free to ignore them, it's a popular trend.
Lothar
Jennifer Geard
: >Just a question: are there any examples of medieval European crowns made
: >of silver? Of anything but gold?
And Dorothea responded:
: Even if not, who can afford gold these days? We're doing pretty
: good to have silver.
Is this the same argument as was behind Cariadoc's decision to have a
silver knight's chain, being -- as I recall -- that he could afford solid
("real") silver, but not solid gold? Although I understand the feeling,
I'm beginning to wonder about the appropriateness of replacing "a yellow
precious metal" with a white metal which happens to be precious to us now.
Do you see the issue? A silver crown doesn't look anything like a gold
crown, but a brass crown -- cunningly wrought and perhaps _properly_
plated with gold -- does. Thoughts?
Alis, chantestre
Arval d'Espas Nord
Alis asked:
> Just a question: are there any examples of medieval European crowns made
> of silver? Of anything but gold?
I can't say silver for sure, but there were definitely non-gold crowns.
The royal crown of Hungary, I believe, is made of iron. I read once that
the crown of the last independent Princes of Wales was also iron.
Steve E. Mercer
My copy (1994?) of Middle Kingdom sumptuary laws and customs says:
# Sumptuary Customs of the Middle Kingdom
# Crowns and Coronets:
[...]
# Members of the Populace with Awards of Arms may wear a simple
# metal circlet, ornamented as they see fit, with no more than one
# protrusion. The overall height of the band shall not exceed one inch.
# The circlet shall not resemble any of the coronets listed above.
Note: This is listed under the "Customs" not under the "Laws".
The Sumptuary Laws do not appear to mention anything
about circlets for persons with an AoA.
# IX-210. Armigers may wear medallions with their arms and a crown
# dancetty above those arms.
---
Justin Silvanus
Barony of Nordskogen, Principality of Northshield, Middle Kingdom
Steve Mercer
steve....@network.com
Hollie Hoffman
>
>The Trimarian Sumptuary Laws goes on to state that these laws will be
>enforced as thay were in period, that is to say, not at all.
>
Ananda
Arenal, Meridies
David Salley
> >Does anyone know the policy on circlets in the Midrealm?
> things have changed that much along the lines of "head ornamentation".
>
> Starting from the top, down:
(*SNIP*) Sumptuary Laws (*SNIP*)
> So what's the difference between a "crown" and a "coronet", anyway?
> Gwydion
The person under it. ;-) Seriously, that is the correct answer.
When AEthelmearc becomes a kingdom, it will have to re-register its
arms to change "coronet" to "crown". None of the banners or anything
else will have to changed, as there is NO difference between the two,
it's simply a convention of registration.
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Jennifer Geard
: : >Just a question: are there any examples of medieval European crowns made
: : >of silver? Of anything but gold?
And I may have found an answer, depending on how much weight I give to the
words of the people who melted down the English regalia during the
Commonwealth. The crown of King Elfred (sic), thought to have been of
massy gold, was discovered to be silver gilt. If this was in fact the
case, it seems to support the authenticity of gilded coronets, but I'm
still searching for a non-gold-looking medieval crown.
Alis, chantestre
Linda Lassman
>From: li89...@kauri.vuw.ac.nz (Jennifer Geard)
>Subject: Re: Circlets (Award of Arms)
>Date: 15 Nov 1995 06:11:52 GMT
> Alis, chantestre
"There is a very full list of jewels and plate contained in an indenture of
articles delivered to the Treasurer and Chamberlain of the Exchequer which
Thomas Ousefleet, the King's [Edward II] clerk, made in 1324. It contained,
apart from a large number of pieces of gold and silver, gilt and silver plate,
ten crowns which are described in some detail:
....
"(10) A crown of silver of Paris work of nine fleurons. Valued at 100
shillings."
I've also found a couple of silver gilt crowns mentioned in 5 minutes of
quickly thumbing through the book and stopping at medieval-looking crowns. I
stopped on p. 115 of 663. This is from _A History of the Crown Jewels of
Europe_, Lord Twining (London: Batsford), 1960.
- Gabriela dei Clementini d'Orvieto
Barony of Castel Rouge, Midrealm
JHrisoulas
made of iron???
JPH
Finnian
SC> Fm IntrNet: scl...@blues.epas.utoronto.ca [rec.org.sca]
SC> Just shows--YMMV. Interestingly enough, I have _never_ seen anyone
SC> who's actually put their device on a pendant under a crown dancetty
SC> after getting an AoA. It's an example of a sumptuary law/custom with
SC> almost no basis in reality. Where on earth did it come from, and why
SC> don't they just drop it, since no one seems to actually _do_ it?
SC> Nicolaa/Susan
SC> Canton of Eoforwic
But alas, I have myself placed a crown dancetty above my device when placing
said device upon favours. And have seen it done here and there on others in
some of the southwestern kingdoms. Quite handsome acutally.
Finnian
Barony of Elfsea, Ansteorra
... Blarg! Its a state of mind.
Jennifer Geard
: I can't say silver for sure, but there were definitely non-gold crowns.
: The royal crown of Hungary, I believe, is made of iron. I read once that
: the crown of the last independent Princes of Wales was also iron.
Does anyone have more information on this? It does ring a faint bell for
me, but I've been bitten by this sort of thing once before: the Lombardy
"Iron Crown" is a standard gold crown with a strip of iron (hammered out
from one of the nails of the Cross) about 1 cm wide attached inside the
crown. Although I imagine the theory is that the gold is decoration for
the iron band, you can't see the iron when the crown is worn.
Alis
Gary Raine
HH> >The Trimarian Sumptuary Laws goes on to state that these laws will be
HH> >enforced as thay were in period, that is to say, not at all.
HH> >
HH> Where does it say that? I can't find that statement in my copy.
I just checked the latest copy of Trimarian Law (December 1995) The phrase
in question is no longer in it. However, The enforced as they were in
period attitude still prevails here. I do not foresee jack booted Sumptuary
Law police officiers being on patrol for violators.
Andre
Kati Norris
>Although here in the Outlands we have a number of traditions regarding
>the wearing of metal upon ones head, we do not have definite distinctions
>between what is a circlet vrs. a coronet, or if there are any. We do not in
>fact have many sumptuary laws to speak of. This weekend someone wore
>(the person has an award of arms) a small brass circlet to a local
>event causing a reaction in another, that was conveyed to me
>(I am being vague on purpose to avoid embarassing anyone).
>What I would like to know, is the opinon
>and laws of persons/kingdoms beyond the Outlands, to help me think upon a
>course of action. I am not very familiar with the rialto, so if you would
>care to respond to me directly please do so at: sel...@unm.edu
>And again please responces from outside the Outlands only-I don't want to
>start a range war.
>Thank you so much
>Mistress Celine d'Hermain
Around here, In Anstorra, it is the width of the circlet that
determines rank. A plain metal circlet that is 1/4" wide or less made
be worn by anyone with an Award of Arms. Our Barons & Baronesses are
about 1" wide and made for their investiture.
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Aodhan Ite an Fhithich
[Replying to a message of Kati Norris to All]
KN> Around here, In Anstorra, it is the width of the circlet that
KN> determines rank. A plain metal circlet that is 1/4" wide or less made
KN> be worn by anyone with an Award of Arms. Our Barons & Baronesses are
KN> about 1" wide and made for their investiture.
Caitlin, this is not entirely correct.
*Anyone* my wear a fillet, regardless of their status as an armiger. A fillet
is currently defined as a metal (or metallic looking) band of no more than 3/8
inch width with absolutely no projections above or below the rim. (This may
change to 1/2 inch in the near future.)
Feicfidh me' ari's thu',
Aodhan, Solstice Herald
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mka David H. Brummel 1:106/22
SCA Member 02245 Barony of Loch Soilleir, Ansteorra
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Greg and Vicki Shetler
circlet. I myself own one but seldom wear it. I have also recently
resided in the Outlands, in fact (Al-Barran). I understand that the
idea of wearing a circlet and only having an AOA is most uncommon.
I believe that it really doesn't matter whether or not someone who has
an AOA wears a circlet or not. I myself don't wear one and know of
several who do and for their own varied reasons.
In service to the Dream,
Lady Isolda von Rugen
Barony of Dun Or (Caid)
formerly a member of the
Barony of Al-Barran (Outlands)
Isolda von Rugen
MKA: Vicki Shetler