Come visit the Enchanted Ground at Pennsic
David Friedman
purpose of this note is to invite people to come visit.
The basic rule of the Enchanted Ground is simple: nothing within our
boundary that is obviously and unnecessarily out of period. That excludes
flashlights, coleman lanterns, cell phones, ... . More important, it
excludes any conversation done from "outside" rather than "inside" the
medieval game. If you are an Elizabethan, you are welcome to tell us about
fashion at the court of Her Majesty--but not to talk about documentation
of Elizabethan garb, since that isn't how Elizabethans talked. If you have
a pressing need to discuss some topic from a twentieth century
perspective, simply move the conversation outside our boundary.
Visitors can come by any time, but you are most likely to find us home
either in the evening (bardic circle) or just after lunch (Academy). The
bardic circle is held every evening of the main week, starting about when
it gets dark, weather permitting. You are welcome to provide a song, poem
or story for the circle--or not, if you just want to listen. The basic
criterion is that the piece should feel period. I don't care if the music
was written in 1610, since hardly anyone will know--but don't tell us that
the music was written in 1610, or say anything else that is inconsistent
with the illusion that we are sitting around a fire at some indefinite
time and place in SCA period.
The academy consists of classes and conversations in persona, held after
lunch. This year none of us have done any organizing of it, so it will
probably consist of whoever is there talking about whatever they feel
like.
To find us, go down the right hand side of Runestone hill, and turn right
just before the bottom. Our badge is, on a field azure, a candle inflamed
within an anulet or.
Cariadoc
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Really like your description of "Enchanted Ground". May I quote you? It is a
lovely way of explaining what we do at Ren Faire...with the added challenge of
doing it all day...in public!
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Ny Martin
: The basic rule of the Enchanted Ground is simple: nothing within our
: boundary that is obviously and unnecessarily out of period. That excludes
: flashlights, coleman lanterns, cell phones, ... . More important, it
: excludes any conversation done from "outside" rather than "inside" the
: medieval game.
Hmmm. I wonder how a medieval person would have said, "my wife is having
an allergic reaction" when "she's taken ill" would not be detailed enough.
Not a disagreement with the idea of the Enchanted Ground in general, which
sounds lovely, educational, and a great deal of fun all at once, but I
find myself thinking that there are probably possible scenarios where
something non-period would need to be mentioned----and I also find myself
wondering what the penalty would be for a mention of something
non-period, whether as a mistake or because of an emergency. (Deliberate
dragging in of the modern world would of course be the height of
rudeness. I'm not wondering about that.)
Ny Martin
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John Stracke
> Hmmm. I wonder how a medieval person would have said, "my wife is having
> an allergic reaction" when "she's taken ill" would not be detailed enough.
Say "allergic reaction" and apologize later. Cariadoc's dedicated, not
insane. :-)
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>Not a disagreement with the idea of the Enchanted Ground in general, which
>sounds lovely, educational, and a great deal of fun all at once, but I
>find myself thinking that there are probably possible scenarios where
>something non-period would need to be mentioned----and I also find myself
>wondering what the penalty would be for a mention of something
>non-period, whether as a mistake or because of an emergency.
I suspect one mistake would be politely ignored --- two or more
mistakes might be openly, if innocently, questioned, in an attempt to
give you a clue. <g>
I *hope* that emergencies --- such as the one you mentioned in your
first paragraph --- would be handled appropriately and swiftly in the
best fashion of these *modern* Middle Ages. "Send for the chirurgeons
at once!" :-)
Joy
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D. Peters
Ny Martin <nyma...@shell.mdc.net> wrote:
>
>Hmmm. I wonder how a medieval person would have said, "my wife is having
>an allergic reaction" when "she's taken ill" would not be detailed enough.
Hmmm. Under what circumstances would a visitor to Enchanted Ground need
to discuss allergies?
If you are a visitor for a meal or the bardic circle, and have dietary
allergies or sensitivities, you could say, "I cannot eat
mushrooms/nuts/milk/whatever," and the cook or the person serving the
sweetmeats would tell you what to avoid. If your allergies are severe,
not eating anything that you haven't prepared yourself is probably safest,
in E-Ground or anywhere else.
If you are in the Enchanted Ground, and suddenly go into anaphlyactic
shock from an insect sting or something you've just eaten, I doubt that
anyone is going to object to someone (since presumably you are now in no
condition to speak, yourself) explaining your life-threatening condition
to the newly-arrived chirurgeon.
As someone else pointed out, we're dedicated, but we're not fanatics.
Common sense applies.....
Hope you'll come visit us in the Enchanted Ground. We're a fun bunch of
people.
Hope this helps--
D.Peters
who really should get back to sewing now....
DDFr
shock from an insect sting or something you've just eaten, I doubt that
anyone is going to object to someone (since presumably you are now in no
condition to speak, yourself) explaining your life-threatening condition
to the newly-arrived chirurgeon. "
It strikes me as a rather unlikely situation, but it was covered by my original
post, when I said that the rule was nothing "obviously and unnecessarily" out
of period. If someone is ill inside the boundary and it is necessary to convey
out of period information about that someone inside the boundary, then doing so
is not unnecessary, hence not in violation of the rule as stated.
David/Cariadoc
David Serhienko
If I might interject... I have trouble believing *anyone* would need to ponder
whether the rules of any SCA event or activity vis a vis 'period' would continue in
the face of any life threatening situation of any kind.
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Heather Rose Jones
: If I might interject... I have trouble believing *anyone* would need to ponder
: whether the rules of any SCA event or activity vis a vis 'period' would continue in
: the face of any life threatening situation of any kind.
Yes, it is kind of hard to believe that anyone would consider the question
seriously. It only tends to arise when someone is coming up with
hypothetical extreme situations which are then used to argue why they
shouldn't be expected to take interest in any sort of historic standards
at all.
It's a very old and tired conversation:
Person A: "Hey, some folks over here are having fun doing some authentic
stuff -- come on and join us as long as you're interested in doing
authentic stuff too."
Person B: "How dare you demand that I travel to events in an ox-cart,
infect my children with bubonic plague, and speak only Latin in order to
be allowed to attend SCA events!"
Tangwystyl verch Morgant Glasvryn
Stefan li Rous
(DDFr) wrote:
> "If you are in the Enchanted Ground, and suddenly go into anaphlyactic
> shock from an insect sting or something you've just eaten, I doubt that
> anyone is going to object to someone (since presumably you are now in no
> condition to speak, yourself) explaining your life-threatening condition
> to the newly-arrived chirurgeon. "
>
> It strikes me as a rather unlikely situation, but it was covered by my
original
> post, when I said that the rule was nothing "obviously and unnecessarily" out
> of period. If someone is ill inside the boundary and it is necessary to convey
> out of period information about that someone inside the boundary, then
doing so
> is not unnecessary, hence not in violation of the rule as stated.
>
> David/Cariadoc
On top of all this, the Enchanted Ground area is never very big. If
something comes up, particularly something that is not an emergency,
you can usually easily step out of the area to do whatever needs
doing and then come back in later. I believe there is usually a
very clear boundary marked out in rope or whatever.
I have usually been able to visit the Enchanted Grounds two or three
times on each of my three Pennsic trips and am looking forward to
doing so again this time. I highly recommend folks visit, especially
for the bardic fires. You can simply listen, you do not have to
participate unless you wish to.
Stefan li Rous
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Alasdayr Kilgour
Some compatriots and I have been discussing this idea of Enchanted
Ground. As Rennies, this is how we do our faires. As period as possible,
in all ways possible, all day long.
I'm posting this in response to a thread dealing with 'the rule' of
Enchanted Ground, and what is permissable or not. There were some
questions regarding specific instances and what would constitute
violating the rule.
To keep it simple, emergencies and other necessities are outside the
rule. How these are dealt with is what makes the difference. At faire
(Ren), emergencies require dropping accent and mannerisms so the
situation is remedied soonest, period.
If you would like more details, ask any long time RenRat. We are 'on
stage' before the public all day long and have come up with solutions to
handle many types of situations. Usually with none the wiser except
those directly involved in the problem at hand.
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Ny Martin
without trying to ascribe dishonorable motives to my asking.
Heather Rose Jones (hrj...@uclink.berkeley.edu) wrote:
: David Serhienko (tig...@earthlink.net) wrote:
: : If I might interject... I have trouble believing *anyone* would need to ponder
: : whether the rules of any SCA event or activity vis a vis 'period' would continue in
: : the face of any life threatening situation of any kind.
It was a theoretical question that I wondered about, and it cost nobody
anything to answer. I thought that was one of the better uses of Usenet?
: Yes, it is kind of hard to believe that anyone would consider the question
: seriously. It only tends to arise when someone is coming up with
: hypothetical extreme situations which are then used to argue why they
: shouldn't be expected to take interest in any sort of historic standards
: at all.
Gee, lady, I never met you, how can you read my mind?
I just found myself wondering what would happen, is all, so I asked. I
didn't know asking about hypothetical situations was so frowned on; how
do people learn if they can't ever ask?
Ny
Who *did* say, "I think this is a great idea, but I was wondering...."
Mark Schuldenfrei
I just found myself wondering what would happen, is all, so I
asked. I didn't know asking about hypothetical situations was so
frowned on; how do people learn if they can't ever ask?
Hi Ny!
I think what you saw from Tangwystl was probably a "gun-shy" reaction. A
learned response after too many bad experiences.
I've had some really good fun at Enchanted Ground, despite going in feeling
as if I have the period knowledge of a stick. I recommend it. Highly.
Cariadoc is not a stupid man, and he does not tend to create impossible
rules. If someone is sick, or having a life-threatening crisis, I doubt
he'd worry about more than the health and welfare of the victim.
While I've been there, people have brought up the modern world. Most
residents look slightly pained. If you don't get it, someone will quietly
whisper in your ear that you might want to take a walk outside for a while.
The idea is to have fun. Policing others is not fun: so it is done rarely,
and kindly, in my experience.
Tibor
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Ny Martin
: Ny Martin <nyma...@shell.mdc.net> wrote:
: I just found myself wondering what would happen, is all, so I
: asked. I didn't know asking about hypothetical situations was so
: frowned on; how do people learn if they can't ever ask?
: Hi Ny!
Hi, Tibor! *smile*
: I think what you saw from Tangwystl was probably a "gun-shy" reaction. A
: learned response after too many bad experiences.
*nod* That makes sense. I was coming back to modify my cranky reaction
somewhat; I honestly did only mean to ask. If I make it to Pennsic next
year I think the Enchanted Ground sounds like someplace I'd like to
visit. However, in my experience, it's useful to find out the penalty for
breaking a rule before agreeing to it; even if one would never
consciously break it (and I certainly wouldn't consciously break this one)
accidents can happen. But that was all I was after. Honest. *smile*
Ny
Steven H. Mesnick
> It's a very old and tired conversation:
>
> Person A: "Hey, some folks over here are having fun doing some authentic
> stuff -- come on and join us as long as you're interested in doing
> authentic stuff too."
>
> Person B: "How dare you demand that I travel to events in an ox-cart,
> infect my children with bubonic plague, and speak only Latin in order to
> be allowed to attend SCA events!"
To quote the founder of the Enchanted Ground himself, "Don't
let the best be the enemy of the good". Or, in this case, I
suppose it's "don't let the *worst* be the enemy of the good".
Steffan ap Kennydd
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>Oak and Iron Forge
>aka
>Duncan Alexander Malcolm MacDuibh [MacDobhran] Kilgour (Alasdayr)
>Master Blacksmith / Artyfactor Second
>The Shrewsbury Renaissance Faire
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Cousing MacDobhran!!!
Good to see another one of us invading over her <VEG>.
BTW, do you ever work in copper?
Kim L. Christensen aka Katya Dobhranova
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Alasdayr Kilgour
>
> Cousing MacDobhran!!!
> Good to see another one of us invading over her <VEG>.
> BTW, do you ever work in copper?
>
> Kim L. Christensen aka Katya Dobhranova
> weaver, spinner, mead-maker
> gyrefalconD...@mindspring.com
Katya,
Feasgar math! Cia mahr a tha cuisean?
Ay, Ah wurk in copper, brass, silver, stainless, wroucht irren, an myld
steel. Hae ye sumthin ti mynd?
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