Strong Arguments against Firearms in SCA
Bryan J. Maloney
Since this topic surfaced, I had been waiting for someone to post what I
would consider a strong argument against firearms in SCA. Why would I do
this? Perhaps I'm merely a glutton for punishment. I am more impressed
by those who are able to demolish me with facts than by those who attempt
to cow me with emotional statements. The problem is that what "facts"
have been cited are so weakly related to this particular topic as to make
any argument based upon them specious.
I will not get into which arguments against permitting firearms in the SCA
I find specious--pretty much all that has been so far posted qualifies.
Instead, I will present those arguments against firearms in the SCA that I
would at least consider to have some weight behind them.
Aesthetic: Personal firearms ought not be in the SCA because, regardless
of what may be claimed about being a "historical group", these firearms
actually violate the primary aesthetic paradigm of the SCA *as it actually
exists*. That is, while history is tolerated in the SCA, the primary
paradigm is aesthetic, and that aesthetic is a romanticised fictional
ideal of "The Middle Ages", one with some grounding in history but one
that places the "beautiful fiction" above any "ugly truth" when making
choices as to what SCA does and does not like to do.
This argument is hard to puncture holes into. While some minority may
find firearms aesthetically pleasing, it is hard to argue against the
existence of a certain "SCA aesthetic", one in which "monarchs" are chosen
by a double-elimination tree tournament, one in which people wear their
ranks as badges, one in which people presume that one is required
(somehow) to register name and "device" merely as part of being a member.
Official rules and actual historical fact may not agree with this
aesthetic, but the aesthetic is nonetheless real. One may argue against
the *desirability* of such an aesthetic, but then it becomes an argument
over taste, and even I could tire of such disputes after a time.
Period Violation: Given that there are already those in the SCA who don't
give a fig about even staying within the parameters of the SCA aesthetic
paradigm, and given that it is even fashionable to violate historical
accuracy for the sake of some views of that paradigm, once historically
appropriate firearms are permitted, somebody is going to start bringing
more modern designs around, even though these raise greater safety issues
and are completely post-period. Like it or not, if somebody sees no
problem at all with coke cans and ciggies, somebody else will see no
problem with a revolver that looks "Old Westish".
The strength of this argument lies in the fact that there are people who
play at the periphery of SCA who use it as an excuse to live out somewhat
questionable fantasies. Introducing the possibility of firearms into this
mix means that some of them might take it as yet another license to
violate "period" in yet another way that strikes them as cute but strikes
the rest of us as jarring, and potentially dangerous.
Material Safety: Regardless of the functional safety of relatively
primitive black-powder firearms, there is still the material safety issue
of the storage, disbursement, and use of an explosive or highly flammable
substance, be it black powder or be it Goex. Introduction of this into
the general SCA milieu would require the broad institution of safety
procedures and the creation of those who would oversee such procedures.
Like it or not, our insurers would demand it, if nothing else. We are all
well aware of how difficult it is to change matters in the SCA.
Again, a fairly strong argument. All groups that regularly do
black-powder (at least all that I am familiar with) have specific safety
procedures in place. In addition, they all reserve the right to sanction
members to the point of expulsion for violating those procedures--and the
courts would likely back them up. In SCA it sometimes appears easier to
banish someone for "discourtesy" than for getting drunk and waving a sword
around haphazardly. Furthermore, one can imagine the situation wherein
someone with some sort of SCA rank tries to pull it on some hapless
black-powder safety officer. After all, it has happened to marshalls from
time to time.
Behavioral Safety: In response to the "guns are inherently unsafe"
specious argument, several folks have pointed out that SCA has no problem
with people handling bladed weapons in a fairly unsafe manner--citing
specific dangerous incidents. Let us turn this on its head. If SCA as a
whole cannot be trusted to maintain complete behavioral safety with bladed
weapons, is it trustworthy to maintain complete behavioral safety with
black powder? After all, if Court Baron Imapolitico Yutzoowie gets tipsy
and knocks his sword into the firepit, he gets a dirty sword and a singed
handle--possibly burns himself trying to grab the sword. If same knocks
his 12 Apostles or his powder cannister into the fire--let me tell you,
black powder ignites very readily, and wooden fragments can kill.
A strong argument again. In the SCA, most of us are responsible people,
but, due to the open nature of the group and the fact that the majority of
events are very open to anybody who makes the oft-mentioned "reasonable
attempt", this means that it is hard to control against the ingress of the
dangerous--harder than it is in other groups that already do black-powder
activities. Most other groups that do black-powder activities see nothing
wrong with a closed standard of participation. In the SCA, there is
currently only two activities--light and heavy combat--that have any kind
of gatekeeping, and while appropriate gatekeeping could be implemented for
the *use* of blackpowder on SCA sites, merely having it around could be a
different kettle of fish to regulate.
So, given the strength of these three arguments, why have they not been
brought up? I would cite a few reasons. First, all of them require
admitting some potentially unpleasant truth about the SCA as it is. In
the first case, it would require admitting that, regardless of what we
like to tell ourselves, SCA is not an historical organization. It really
is a history-themed fiction organization, one whose primary paradigm is
predicated as much or possibly more in a fictional construction as in
actual history. In the second case, it requires that we admit that there
are people in SCA who really don't give a damn about anything so long as
they get to raise hell and play macho games. In the third and fourth
cases, it requires admitting that we in general are simply not as
wonderful people as we like to tell ourselves we are. There are some in
SCA who are too irresponsible to trust with black powder (or a blade, for
that matter--but that's another issue). Furthermore, it is difficult to
institute any SCA-wide change, for the better or for the worse, thus it
could prove impractical to put appropriate checks into play. In addition,
those checks are not part of the general paradigm of who gets to play and
how we play in SCA up to this point. This would cause more resistance to
implementation.
Another reason is that people let themselves get tied up into tiny knots
whenever anything with a whiff of a modern political issue comes up. All
of a sudden statistics about modern firearms and issues unique to their
design and usage get tossed around as if they applied to all firearms.
While this may make for a poor case, it is viscerally very comfortable to
fire the biggest ammunition you've got, even if it's off-target.
What is my opinion in all of this?
I'm of the opinion that historically appropriate firearms can have a place
in SCA, but that it would require some serious infrastructure work to
permit it. As I intend to join the NMLRA and get complete black-powder
range officer training, I'll do what I can once I have this knowledge.
However, as I have admitted above, all the arguments that I cite are
strong--not infallable but strong, nonetheless. The first can only be
answered by shifting SCA's paradigm. It has happened before ("Back then,
any guy who wore longjohns dyed gray was a 'fop'"--interview of Michael
Longcor regarding his early days in SCA). But it happens slowly, with
much work.
The other arguments will require the institution of working controls on
these matters. I will not mince words: Introducing black powder
introduces risk. It is a controllable risk, but present nonetheless.
Again, it will be a matter of work.
However, the greatest resistance against the introduction of historically
appropriate black-powder weapon displays and demonstrations into SCA will
likely have more to do with a purely modern indiscriminate anti-gun
hysteria, and mob mentality is much more difficult to deal with.
Duke Nuke
>However, the greatest resistance against the introduction of historically
>appropriate black-powder weapon displays and demonstrations into SCA will
>likely have more to do with a purely modern indiscriminate anti-gun
>hysteria, and mob mentality is much more difficult to deal with.
Bravo. Well done and well presented. I would argue that your first
point is invalid under the idea the the SCA is history as it should of
been. And in that, I as an individual, am tasked with defining my own
vision of the Age. Therefor, if I believe that my matchlock is
appropriate, then it must be so. The responsibility arguement is well
thought out as is the liability side.
Ultimately, though, I think your last paragraph is the most correct.
Duke/Iain MacCoinnich
Knigh, Musketeer, and Incorrigible Rake
Gore Crow
>Aesthetic
>while history is tolerated in the SCA, the primary
>paradigm is aesthetic, and that aesthetic is a romanticised fictional
>ideal of "The Middle Ages",
>that places the "beautiful fiction" above any "ugly truth"
Vivat! I could not agree more.
>Material Safety: Regardless of the functional safety of relatively
>primitive black-powder firearms, there is still the material safety issue
>of the storage, disbursement, and use of an explosive or highly flammable
Well...I was wrong I COULD agree more, and I do. This is the primary reason
in my mind..
>Behavioral Safety:
>In the SCA, most of us are responsible people,
>but, due to the open nature of the group and the fact that the majority of
>events are very open to anybody who makes the oft-mentioned "reasonable
>attempt",
Perhaps the best arguement yet.
I am not anti-gun. I carried a gun for a living for almost 20 years and I've
carried a legal concealed weapon almost daily since. I do NOT however do so at
events. I think that we can all agree that to do so would be unacceptable.
The same reasoning that makes bringing such a weapon to an event applies to
having firearms of any sort welcomed at an event. Let's face it folks, the
majority of us are misfits of one stripe or another. There are many good
people (ESPECIALLY in the SCA) that I would and do trust with my welfare, my
money, my woman AND my life that simply can NOT be trusted not to make a
mistake, exercise poor judgement or simply have an accident.
>There are some in
>SCA who are too irresponsible to trust with black powder (or a blade, for
>that matter--but that's another issue).
Blades are most definately another issue, contest it with circular logic or
psuedo-facts tho some people may. Anyone who's ever dealt with violence and
death for living knows this - R. Howard novels, and Schwartzenager movies
aside.
I dug your post, Bryan and agree with almost all of it. I won't say that
there isn't (or won't be) a place in the society for period firearms - But
honestly I am not, nor will will ever be comfortable with the concept.
Fortunately for firearms mavins, I don't have to be.
Vivat Tramaris, vivat The Dream
Ullam
BlackCat =^..^=
...and can you imagine the legal and public relations nightmare that would
ensue if some idiot blows a hole in someone while drunk at a campfire. Not to
mention all of the people that are going to get nailed for "brandishing"
(pistol stuck in your belt while at Denny's, etc.).
--~Christopher (aka Lazarus von Ravensburg)
Thaddaeus A. Vick
pow...@woodstock.cis.ohio-state.edu (william thomas powers) wrote:
>*When* we have a fighting death; it will probably be blown out of
>proportion too.
No it didn't. I don't remember hearing anything about it in the
mundane news. If it was reported it was only very local.
Hugh the Barefoot
Barony of the South Downs, Meridies
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Dennis O'Connor
BlackCat =^..^= wrote in message <354CFC43...@BlueNeptune.Com>...
>...and can you imagine the legal and public relations nightmare that would
>ensue if some idiot blows a hole in someone while drunk at a campfire.
Happens often enough in the real world. Why would it be so much
worse if it happened at an SCA event ?
>Not to
>mention all of the people that are going to get nailed for "brandishing"
>(pistol stuck in your belt while at Denny's, etc.).
Open carry is legal in Arizona. Nobody cares. Everyone figures
the criminals will keep their hidden.
--
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Vanity Web Page: http://www.primenet.com/~dmoc/
EddieEffie
>>Happens often enough in the real world. Why would it be so much
worse if it happened at an SCA event ?
Because people already think we're nuts. We don't need the bad publicity.
FWIW, I'm all for period firearms. I just hate idiots of whatever pursuasion.
<G>
Effingham
william thomas powers
>...and can you imagine the legal and public relations nightmare that would
>mention all of the people that are going to get nailed for "brandishing"
>(pistol stuck in your belt while at Denny's, etc.).
Yup it would rank right up there with some dang fool sticking a sword
into someone else----but the sword attack would probably get *MUCH* more
publicity due to its "novelty".
People getting hurt by a drunk driver returning in garb from an event
would probably also make the headlines.
*When* we have a fighting death; it will probably be blown out of
proportion too.
A good(?) round of food poisonning from a feast that results in fatalities
will "make the news" also
so is it your contention that all activities that *MIGHT* result in a
"legal and public relations nightmare" should be banned? Then the
SCA could become a group of solitary individuals that dress in funny
clothes in the privacy of their own homes-----and even *that* would
at some point be "exposed" by the press....
Thomas
Dennis O'Connor
EddieEffie wrote in message <199805041346...@ladder01.news.aol.com>...
>>>Happens often enough in the real world. Why would it be so much
>worse if it happened at an SCA event ?
>
>Because people already think we're nuts. We don't need the bad publicity.
If people already think we are nuts, we have nothing to lose, do we ?
But if you are really worried about bad publicity, I suggest you consider
banning overnight camping at SCA events.
Jim Chester
> >Because people already think we're nuts. We don't need the bad
publicity.
>
> If people already think we are nuts, we have nothing to lose, do we ?
> But if you are really worried about bad publicity, I suggest you consider
> banning overnight camping at SCA events
.
It might cut down on unwanted pregnancies
BlackCat =^..^=
Dennis O'Connor wrote:
> >...and can you imagine the legal and public relations nightmare that would
> >ensue if some idiot blows a hole in someone while drunk at a campfire.
>
> Happens often enough in the real world. Why would it be so much
> worse if it happened at an SCA event ?
On a moral level, it makes no difference.. A lot of people out there
already think that the SCA is a bunch of whacko cultists. Do you really
want them to start thinking that the SCA is a bunch of "gun-toting"
whacko cultists? ;-) The bad PR would be atrocious all around..
Someone getting their finger lopped off doesn't make the news very
often, people getting shot does.
> >Not to
> >mention all of the people that are going to get nailed for "brandishing"
> >(pistol stuck in your belt while at Denny's, etc.).
>
> Open carry is legal in Arizona. Nobody cares. Everyone figures
> the criminals will keep their hidden.
Welcome to California.. People here get nervous when they see someone
in *uniform* with an exposed firearm.
--~Chris (an armored car messenger)
Zebee Johnstone
In rec.org.sca on Sun, 03 May 1998 21:48:34 GMT
Thaddaeus A. Vick <thad...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>pow...@woodstock.cis.ohio-state.edu (william thomas powers) wrote:
>>proportion too.
>
>mundane news. If it was reported it was only very local.
Although that was a death due to over-exertion, happens all
the time in lots of sports.
But a spinal injury that leads to quadriplegia, or a death from
a blow - that might be different.
Only "might" though, as what hits headlines depends on a lot of
things. As our game is not widely known, it won't get a write
up like a death playing rugby or in boxing will. But if someone
is doing a safety thing on sports in general, or it is a slow
news day, or possibly someone wants to get boxing banned and
we have a guy in a helmet die of a brain injury.... that might
be different.
Silfren
savaskan
> BlackCat =^..^= wrote in message <354CFC43...@BlueNeptune.Com>...
> >ensue if some idiot blows a hole in someone while drunk at a campfire.
At a Potrero War in Caid a drunk fellow went nuts and started shooting
off a modern firearm. I believe he may have been threatening to kill
himself and others. This happened some years ago. Several brave Caidans
talked him down and got him to relinquish his weapon. The police were
called, the man was carted away. There was never any mention in the news
that I know of.
Juliana
Tigranes of Bezabde
BlackCat =^..^= wrote:
> A lot of people out there
> already think that the SCA is a bunch of whacko cultists. Do you really
> want them to start thinking that the SCA is a bunch of "gun-toting"
> whacko cultists? ;-) The bad PR would be atrocious all around..
> Someone getting their finger lopped off doesn't make the news very
> often, people getting shot does.
There are thousands of "gun-toting wacko cultists" out there: American
Civil War, American Rev. War, French &Indian, reinactors, and
Buckskinners in general. They follow the safety rules set down by their
respective group for handling the tools of their trade. Just as we do
for heavy weapons, fencing, archery and thrown weapons. When was the
last time you remember reading a news story about a black powder
reinactor or buckskinner being shot at an event?
> Welcome to California.. People here get nervous when they see someone
> in *uniform* with an exposed firearm.
The aforementioned groups do hold events in California as well as every
other state. It's a matter of following the rules, both of the group and
the state and municipality in which the event is held.
My persona is way too early for such things, so I'll never be thinking of
carrying a firearm at an event. I just want to point out that other
groups do allow (and center activities around) black powder guns. There
are no insurmountable obstacles (sp.?) of insurance, safety or PR.
Tigranes of Bezabde
AEthelmearc, Barony of Endless Hills
Dennis O'Connor
Zebee Johnstone wrote in message ...
>In rec.org.sca on Sun, 03 May 1998 21:48:34 GMT
>Thaddaeus A. Vick <thad...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>>pow...@woodstock.cis.ohio-state.edu (william thomas powers) wrote:
>>>*When* we have a fighting death; it will probably be blown out of
>>>proportion too.
>>
>> No it didn't. I don't remember hearing anything about it in the
>>mundane news. If it was reported it was only very local.
>
>Although that was a death due to over-exertion, happens all
>the time in lots of sports.
>
>But a spinal injury that leads to quadriplegia, or a death from
>a blow - that might be different.
I don't recall much bad horse-back riding press after Christopher
Reeve was paralyzed in a riding accident. And though I have
seen several "rock climber falls" stories on local news, when
a fighter was air-evac'd to a trauma center from Estrella '97,
I don't believe any mention of it was made in the press at all.
I sometimes sense some paranoia in the SCA vis-a-vis "mundanes".
Personally, I think it is unjustified. Sure, there are some wackos
out there who will try to use the SCA as a target to promote their
cause. But most people seem to react to the SCA with nothing
more hostile than curiosity, which is to say, no hostility at all.
C. Kevin kellogg
savaskan (sava...@sd.znet.com) wrote:
: At a Potrero War in Caid a drunk fellow went nuts and started shooting
: off a modern firearm. I believe he may have been threatening to kill
: himself and others. This happened some years ago. Several brave Caidans
: talked him down and got him to relinquish his weapon. The police were
: called, the man was carted away. There was never any mention in the news
: that I know of.
: Juliana
Ah, yes, the worst night at a Potrero, ever. First a diabetic
drunk herself into anaphelatic shock, then a disgruntled drunk fired
off his weapon (posession of a firearm in the park is illegal), and
the LifeFlight came in to evac a man suffering from a severe ashma attack
complicated by dehydration.
None of this made the news.
Avenel Kellough
Daniel Starbuck
is there anyother documentation on viking doing at besides woodworking
and metal making like were there any known painters that were viking?
Lillian the Wondering Artist
Ellen Pinegar
Daniel Starbuck wrote:
There are plenty of exxamples of the work of artisans and craftsmen from
the viking age - jewelry, needlework, beadmaking, musical instruments, to
name a few - but as far as I know, the name sof the artisans are unknown.
We know that Vikings did use pait to ornament buildings, stone carvings
and wood carvings, but these items were proobably painted nby whomever did
the construction work.
Ellen Pinegar
Francis A. Ney, Jr
> From: "BlackCat =^..^=" <blac...@BlueNeptune.Com>
> Date: Mon, 04 May 1998 13:33:10 -0700
>
> Welcome to California.. People here get nervous when they see someone
> in *uniform* with an exposed firearm.
Considering the antics of the LAPD, I can't blame them.
Frank Ney N4ZHG WV/EMT-B VA/EMT-A LPWV NRA(L) GOA CCRKBA JPFO
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EddieEffie
>>I don't recall much bad horse-back riding press after Christopher
Reeve was paralyzed in a riding accident. And though I have
seen several "rock climber falls" stories on local news,
You gotta remember, though, that both of those are "normal" sports.
Dressing up in funny clothes (play? cult?) and putting on armour and whacking
each other with swords is NOT. At least, not in the public eye, the eye that
considers Budweiser the "King of Beers" and so on.
Effingham
Chandra Spidell
C. Kevin kellogg wrote:
>
> Ah, yes, the worst night at a Potrero, ever. First a diabetic
> drunk herself into anaphelatic shock, then a disgruntled drunk fired
> off his weapon (posession of a firearm in the park is illegal), and
> the LifeFlight came in to evac a man suffering from a severe ashma attack
> complicated by dehydration.
>
> None of this made the news.
>
> Avenel Kellough
Maybe that not making the news is a could thing. It is not like the SCA
need any bad publicity.
Lady Muriella Sibilla de Oseburnham
Peter O'Briaroak
I just want to point out that other
>groups do allow (and center activities around) black powder guns. There
>are no insurmountable obstacles (sp.?) of insurance, safety or PR.
if someone wants to play with guns they can go to those other groups.
Bryan J. Maloney
In article <6ivah9$k9$1...@news.chatlink.com>, "Peter O'Briaroak"
<harl...@spnt.com> wrote:
Yeah, if someone wants to allow women to fight, they can go to other groups.
Oops, sorry, I'm a couple decades late on that one...
Peter O'Briaroak
>> I just want to point out that other
>> >groups do allow (and center activities around) black powder guns. There
>> >are no insurmountable obstacles (sp.?) of insurance, safety or PR.
>>
>>
>> if someone wants to play with guns they can go to those other groups.
>
>Yeah, if someone wants to allow women to fight, they can go to other
groups.
>
>Oops, sorry, I'm a couple decades late on that one...
speaking of which, tell me again all the different reasons why the SCA
doesn't allow jousting?
Tom Holt
The message <6j04dj$l07$1...@news.chatlink.com>
from "Peter O'Briaroak" <harl...@spnt.com> contains these words:
Because they're petrified of predatory lawyers, presumably.
Regards,
Tom Holt
(Retired lawyer)
Kaz O Shea
>>>speaking of which, tell me again all the different reasons why >>>the SCA
>>> doesn't allow jousting?
>>>Because they're petrified of predatory lawyers, presuma
Actually I'm scared of falling off of a perfectly good horse and breaking
something. Least of all my pide....
Iago
Dennis O'Connor
Peter O'Briaroak wrote in message <6j04dj$l07$1...@news.chatlink.com>...
>>> I just want to point out that other
>>> >groups do allow (and center activities around) black powder guns. There
>>> >are no insurmountable obstacles (sp.?) of insurance, safety or PR.
>>>
>>> if someone wants to play with guns they can go to those other groups.
>>
>>Yeah, if someone wants to allow women to fight, they can go to other
>groups.
>>
>>Oops, sorry, I'm a couple decades late on that one...
>
>doesn't allow jousting?
Basically, because a horse is not as easy to control as a gun is.
Charles Baker
> >speaking of which, tell me again all the different reasons why the SCA
> >doesn't allow jousting?
>
> Basically, because a horse is not as easy to control as a gun is.
And we haven't been able to find a horse willing to sign the insurance waiver.
--Charles
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Stefan li Rous
Greetings unto Lillian from Stefan li Rous,
In article <354F73...@bellsouth.net>, ol...@bellsouth.net wrote:
> is there anyother documentation on viking doing at besides woodworking
> and metal making like were there any known painters that were viking?
> Lillian the Wondering Artist
Take a look at some of the files in the NORSE section of my Stefan's
Florilegium. Some of the files there that might be of interest
include:
N-drink-ves-msg (9K) 10/16/96 Norse drinking vessels.
N-calenders-art (9K) 8/12/97 Runic Clog and Stave Calenders by Gunnora
Hallakarva.
Norse-games-art (32K) 7/29/96 Board games played by the Norse.
Vik-Shp-lst-art (14K) 3/27/97 "Little Viking's Holiday Shopping List"
by Gunnora Hallakarva.
V-Arts-and-A-art (12K) 10/10/97 "Viking Arts and Artifacts (A Biblio. of
Interesting Articles)" by Gunnora Hallakarva.
The last one, in particular, might be of interest.
Gunnora also has a number of other articles about the Norse culture
on her website. This might be given in some of her articles. If it
isn't, I'm almost certain it is in the Norse-msg file in the
CULTURES section of my files.
What about bone and ivory carving? They apparently did a fair amount
of that.
Stefan
--
Lord Stefan li Rous Mark S. Harris
Barony of Bryn Gwlad Austin, TX
Ansteorra ste...@texas.net
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Bryan J. Maloney
In article <6j04dj$l07$1...@news.chatlink.com>, "Peter O'Briaroak"
<harl...@spnt.com> wrote:
> speaking of which, tell me again all the different reasons why the SCA
> doesn't allow jousting?
Liability costs. I think that's the only real reason. I've corresponded
with Richard Alvarez down in Seabrook, Texas. He runs a professional
joust troupe. From what I've heard, there is a great deal of training
necessary, and it's still very dangerous. Furthermore, his largest
expense after animal care and payroll is insurance.
Craig Motbey
In article <6j04dj$l07$1...@news.chatlink.com>, harl...@spnt.com says...
<snip>
>speaking of which, tell me again all the different reasons why the SCA
>doesn't allow jousting?
Silly solution, but I have this wonderful mental image of armoured knights
charging towards each other with lance, shield and hobby horse... :)
Craig Motbey
ldch...@swbell.net
Craig Motbey wrote:
>
>
> Silly solution, but I have this wonderful mental image of armoured knights
> charging towards each other with lance, shield and hobby horse... :)
>
> Craig Motbey
Don't forget the guys behind them with huge backpacks and coconut
shells...
Charles
Larry Johnson
Craig Motbey wrote:
> In>speaking of which, tell me again all the different reasons why the SCA
> >doesn't allow jousting?
>
> Silly solution, but I have this wonderful mental image of armoured knights
> charging towards each other with lance, shield and hobby horse... :)
I think that would be a variation on Monty Python and the Search For the Holy
Grail. Very funny movie, the knights skipping along making galluping noises
as they went down the road......Oh yah, watch out for the attack rabbit.
Yours aye,
Labhruinn MacIain an Mor
Larry Johnson
ldch...@swbell.net wrote:
> Craig Motbey wrote:
> >
> >
> > Silly solution, but I have this wonderful mental image of armoured knights
> > charging towards each other with lance, shield and hobby horse... :)
> >
> > Craig Motbey
>
> Don't forget the guys behind them with huge backpacks and coconut
> shells...
>
> Charles
I see we have another Monty Python fan......watch out for the attack rabbit.
Labhruinn MacIan an Mor
Bruno Nicoletti
Craig Motbey wrote:
>
> In article <6j04dj$l07$1...@news.chatlink.com>, harl...@spnt.com says...
>
> <snip>
>
> >doesn't allow jousting?
>
> charging towards each other with lance, shield and hobby horse... :)
It's bound to have been done at least once.
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C. Kevin kellogg
Bruno Nicoletti (br...@thefoundry.takeThisOut.co.uk) wrote:
: > >speaking of which, tell me again all the different reasons why the SCA
: > >doesn't allow jousting?
: > Silly solution, but I have this wonderful mental image of armoured knights
: > charging towards each other with lance, shield and hobby horse... :)
: It's bound to have been done at least once.
Just this last March, in fact, at The College of St. Isidore's Anniversary.
Avenel Kellough
EddieEffie
>>> Silly solution, but I have this wonderful mental image of armoured knights
>>> charging towards each other with lance, shield and hobby horse... :)
>>
>>It's bound to have been done at least once.
I'm pretty sure I've seen knights riding their squires more than once in a kind
of joust....
Effingham