Using Garb as Costume?
Purple Kat
was thinking it would be a hoot to enter my silly Elizabethan.
Of course, my outfit would probably blow others out of the water, or
be burried by a lot of XXX-rated bought costmes.
Who do y'all think of wearing Garb as a 'costume'?
Katheryne
erilar
Purple Kat <purp...@optonline.net> wrote:
That's how mundanes would view it anyway. Go blow them out of the water!
--
Erilar, biblioholic
bib-li-o-hol-ism [<Gr biblion] n. [BIBLIO + HOLISM] books, of books:
habitual longing to purchase, read, store, admire, and consume books in excess.
Dorothy J Heydt
Go for it. It's a form of "freaking the mundanes" that harms
no one.
--
Dorothea of Caer-Myrddin Dorothy J. Heydt
Mists/Mists/West Vallejo, California
PRO DEO ET REGE djheydt at hotmail dot com
Should you wish to email me, you'd better use the hotmail edress.
Kithrup is getting too damn much spam, even with the sysop's filters.
cpuffer
> In article <mim4d5p1foqh8l8dr...@4ax.com>,
> Purple Kat <purp...@optonline.net> wrote:
>
>> I just found out that the local pub is having a costume contest - I
>> was thinking it would be a hoot to enter my silly Elizabethan.
>>
>> Of course, my outfit would probably blow others out of the water, or
>> be burried by a lot of XXX-rated bought costmes.
>>
>> Who do y'all think of wearing Garb as a 'costume'?
>
> That's how mundanes would view it anyway. Go blow them out of the water!
>
You may get asked why you have and/or where you got the costume, you
will want to be ready to explain, maybe have a few handbills or flyers
on hand you never know (even in this internet age) when you will meet
someone who wants to join.
The other side of that is be of good favour and not feel superior if you
do get a good reaction. You are a bit of a ringer, and someone who put
on a lot of effort (for them) may feel that you just pulled something
out of a box.
And if the crowd is more interested in those who have more costume than
sense. Well me just say no more, on that.
I have warn Garb as costume, and while it can be fun, I often do not
feel in costume because I ware it so much. Though I have borrowed Garb
from other reenactor friends (USA Civil War)
Have fun with it,
Duncan Forbes
Chris Zakes
caused Purple Kat <purp...@optonline.net> to write:
>I just found out that the local pub is having a costume contest - I
>was thinking it would be a hoot to enter my silly Elizabethan.
Could you clarify a bit on what you mean by "silly Elizabethan"?
>Of course, my outfit would probably blow others out of the water, or
>be burried by a lot of XXX-rated bought costmes.
>
>Who do y'all think of wearing Garb as a 'costume'?
>
>Katheryne
As a generalization, *I* wouldn't wear SCA clothes as a "costume." To
me that seems a bit of a cop-out.
The exception being a couple of times when the place I worked said we
could wear costumes on Halloween. I figured that it made more sense to
wear a "costume" that I *knew* I could wear comfortably all day,
rather than, say, the Death or elephant costumes which might get
uncomfortable after the first few hours. (And I was a little dubious
about wearing the Death costume all day in a Target store anyway--too
much chance that I'd scare the customers away. <G>)
-Tivar Moondragon
Ansteorra
Considering how many wars have to do with population pressure and limited
resources, "make love not war" may be a self-defeating concept.
Morgan
wrote:
My sister and her S.O. do Ren Faire, and she feels the same way many
SCAdians do that wearing garb for Halloween is sort of a cop out. However,
last year she wore her S.O.'s garb (kilt, shirt, tam, etc.) to work and
won their costume contest. Since it wasn't _her_ garb, she didn't feel
like she was "cheating" :-).
Muirghein /|\
Robert Uhl
More power to you is MHO! That's what I love about Halloween--it's the
one time all year one can wear historical clothing and be _normal_...
--
Guthlac of Caerthe
Sell the house, buy handmade suits? It would almost be worth it.
--David Parsons
Phil
wrote:
>As a generalization, *I* wouldn't wear SCA clothes as a "costume." To
>me that seems a bit of a cop-out.
Wearing your garb wouldn't be much different than wearing your work
clothes. Halloween is the time to be creative and weird.
Oliver
Purple Kat
wrote:
>On Sun, 11 Oct 2009 18:23:28 -0400, an orbital mind-control laser
>caused Purple Kat <purp...@optonline.net> to write:
>
>>I just found out that the local pub is having a costume contest - I
>>was thinking it would be a hoot to enter my silly Elizabethan.
>
>Could you clarify a bit on what you mean by "silly Elizabethan"?
>
> -Tivar Moondragon
> Ansteorra
It is an Elizabethan made completly out of 3" squares of random
fabric. Even the French Hood is completely covered with the same type
of 'fabric'.
The 'under' skirt is a '70's Black Light floral print.
It makes the authenticity people scream and run away.
Katheryne
cpuffer
a friend made back around AS 20. Hay if fighters can get by on duck-tape
carpet why not seamstresses?
Duncan Forbes
mikea
One Ansteorran king (Michael?) had the *most* obnoxious T-tunic, made
of Hawaiian-shirt material.
--
Mike Andrews / Michael Fenwick Barony of Namron, Ansteorra
mi...@mikea.ath.cx / Amateur Extra radio operator W5EGO
Tired old music Laurel; Chirurgeon; SCAdian since AS XI
Chris Zakes
caused Purple Kat <purp...@optonline.net> to write:
>On Mon, 12 Oct 2009 07:27:03 -0500, Chris Zakes <dont...@gmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 11 Oct 2009 18:23:28 -0400, an orbital mind-control laser
>>caused Purple Kat <purp...@optonline.net> to write:
>>
>>>I just found out that the local pub is having a costume contest - I
>>>was thinking it would be a hoot to enter my silly Elizabethan.
>>
>>Could you clarify a bit on what you mean by "silly Elizabethan"?
>>
>> -Tivar Moondragon
>> Ansteorra
>
>It is an Elizabethan made completly out of 3" squares of random
>fabric. Even the French Hood is completely covered with the same type
>of 'fabric'.
>The 'under' skirt is a '70's Black Light floral print.
>
>It makes the authenticity people scream and run away.
>
>Katheryne
<chuckle> That *is* good. Reminds me of the story about the guy in the
East Kingdom with the... I think it was a doublet... where the fabric
had glow-in-the-dark squids printed on it. Or the lady who was going
scouting at Pennsic with a full Elisabethan outfit in camo-print.
Ralph E Lindberg
Purple Kat <purp...@optonline.net> wrote:
Sounds rather like my Hawaiian Print Landsknecht. where the under layer
is four different patterns, two each obverse colors. Plus rainbow socks
and Leis.
Of which I could argue that if they had Hawaiian Print, they would have
worn it .
Nearly got me banished...but then HRH had a hangover that morning
Ralg
An Tir
--
--------------------------------------------------------
Personal e-mail is the n7bsn but at amsat.org
This posting address is a spam-trap and seldom read
RV and Camping FAQ can be found at
http://www.ralphandellen.us/rv
Dorothy J Heydt
Consider the (possibly apocryphal) story of the little kid
who went trick-or-treating dressed in his best Sunday suit,
white shirt, tie, and a borrowed briefcase. He was
representing an IRS agent.
--
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
mikea
> In article <out9d5t8vk920s55t...@4ax.com>,
> Phil <dogg...@yahoooo.com> wrote:
>>On Mon, 12 Oct 2009 07:27:03 -0500, Chris Zakes <dont...@gmail.com>
>>wrote:
>>>As a generalization, *I* wouldn't wear SCA clothes as a "costume." To
>>>me that seems a bit of a cop-out.
>>Wearing your garb wouldn't be much different than wearing your work
>>clothes. Halloween is the time to be creative and weird.
> Consider the (possibly apocryphal) story of the little kid
> who went trick-or-treating dressed in his best Sunday suit,
> white shirt, tie, and a borrowed briefcase. He was
> representing an IRS agent.
Not apocryphal at all!
I did it ten years ago, at a Hallowe'en party: pinstripe black suit,
white shirt, bow tie (hand-tied), borrowed briefcase, and fangs. It
worked a _treat_: the fangs weren't visible until folks got up _close_,
and then the double-takes were just amazing. "What _are_ you?" "An IRS
auditor."
Derek Lyons
>Consider the (possibly apocryphal) story of the little kid
>who went trick-or-treating dressed in his best Sunday suit,
>white shirt, tie, and a borrowed briefcase. He was
>representing an IRS agent.
Went to a halloween party some years back where you had to justify
your regular clothes as I costume.
I went as a serial killer.
D.
--
Touch-twice life. Eat. Drink. Laugh.
http://derekl1963.livejournal.com/
-Resolved: To be more temperate in my postings.
Oct 5th, 2004 JDL
Derek Lyons
>One Ansteorran king (Michael?) had the *most* obnoxious T-tunic, made
>of Hawaiian-shirt material.
We have a fellow here (who also occasionally reads the Rialto, Hi
Ralg!) who has a Hawaiian print Landsknecht. It's been known to
detect hangovers at 100 paces.
Thank $DIETY it's been long in retirement.
David Friedman
Ralph E Lindberg <n7...@callsign.net> wrote:
> In article <o73ad5pk66k2gbbdl...@4ax.com>,
> Purple Kat <purp...@optonline.net> wrote:
>
> > On Mon, 12 Oct 2009 07:27:03 -0500, Chris Zakes <dont...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > >On Sun, 11 Oct 2009 18:23:28 -0400, an orbital mind-control laser
> > >caused Purple Kat <purp...@optonline.net> to write:
> > >
> > >>I just found out that the local pub is having a costume contest - I
> > >>was thinking it would be a hoot to enter my silly Elizabethan.
> > >
> > >Could you clarify a bit on what you mean by "silly Elizabethan"?
> > >
> > > -Tivar Moondragon
> > > Ansteorra
> >
> > It is an Elizabethan made completly out of 3" squares of random
> > fabric. Even the French Hood is completely covered with the same type
> > of 'fabric'.
> > The 'under' skirt is a '70's Black Light floral print.
> >
> > It makes the authenticity people scream and run away.
> >
> > Katheryne
>
> Sounds rather like my Hawaiian Print Landsknecht. where the under layer
> is four different patterns, two each obverse colors. Plus rainbow socks
> and Leis.
> Of which I could argue that if they had Hawaiian Print, they would have
> worn it .
>
> Nearly got me banished...but then HRH had a hangover that morning
I continue to be amazed by people who boast of how clever they have been
in spoiling the game other people are playing on the same field they are
playing theirs. There must be an internal logic to it or the pattern
wouldn't be so common.
--
http://www.daviddfriedman.com/ http://daviddfriedman.blogspot.com/
Author of
_Future Imperfect: Technology and Freedom in an Uncertain World_,
Cambridge University Press.
Dorothy J Heydt
>Dorothy J Heydt <djh...@kithrup.com> wrote in <KrIG3...@kithrup.com>:
>> In article <out9d5t8vk920s55t...@4ax.com>,
>> Phil <dogg...@yahoooo.com> wrote:
>>>On Mon, 12 Oct 2009 07:27:03 -0500, Chris Zakes <dont...@gmail.com>
>>>wrote:
>
>>>>As a generalization, *I* wouldn't wear SCA clothes as a "costume." To
>>>>me that seems a bit of a cop-out.
>
>>>Wearing your garb wouldn't be much different than wearing your work
>>>clothes. Halloween is the time to be creative and weird.
>
>> Consider the (possibly apocryphal) story of the little kid
>> who went trick-or-treating dressed in his best Sunday suit,
>> white shirt, tie, and a borrowed briefcase. He was
>> representing an IRS agent.
>
>Not apocryphal at all!
>
>I did it ten years ago, at a Hallowe'en party: pinstripe black suit,
>white shirt, bow tie (hand-tied), borrowed briefcase, and fangs. It
>worked a _treat_: the fangs weren't visible until folks got up _close_,
>and then the double-takes were just amazing. "What _are_ you?" "An IRS
>auditor."
Oh, nice.
Of course, this presupposes that you have your fangs already.
(I understand that they have to be made to measure and you
have to brush your teeth before putting them on so they'll
fit.)
--
Dorothea of Caer-Myrddin Dorothy J. Heydt
Mists/Mists/West Vallejo, California
PRO DEO ET REGE djheydt at hotmail dot com
Ralph
wrote:
> In article <n7bsn-DEB4CD.05463214102...@news.individual.net>,
> Ralph E Lindberg <n7...@callsign.net> wrote:
>
> > Sounds rather like my Hawaiian Print Landsknecht. where the under layer
> > is four different patterns, two each obverse colors. Plus rainbow socks
> > and Leis.
> > Of which I could argue that if they had Hawaiian Print, they would have
> > worn it .
>
> > Nearly got me banished...but then HRH had a hangover that morning
>
> I continue to be amazed by people who boast of how clever they have been
> in spoiling the game other people are playing on the same field they are
> playing theirs. There must be an internal logic to it or the pattern
> wouldn't be so common.
>
> --
Sigh
I see someone is completely lacking any sense of humor today
The outfit in question was made as a joke.
The design and execution was done by a founder of the AnTir Customers
Guild (OP and OL) and the (then) Kingdom Minister of A&S (OP and OL),
as a joke and spoof of a reign that was done in Landskneckt (I have to
add the -then- part as my dear-lady-wife denies all knowledge or
participation in the project)
Ralg
AnTir
Zebee Johnstone
Ralph <n7...@callsign.net> wrote:
> On Oct 14, 10:07?am, David Friedman <d...@daviddfriedman.nopsam.com>
> wrote:
>> I continue to be amazed by people who boast of how clever they have been
>> in spoiling the game other people are playing on the same field they are
>> playing theirs. There must be an internal logic to it or the pattern
>> wouldn't be so common.
>>
>> --
> Sigh
>
> I see someone is completely lacking any sense of humor today
Nope. He just has a different one to you.
>
> The outfit in question was made as a joke.
>
And his point is that to him the joke isn't just unfunny, it's
actively unpleasant to many people. It doesn't make them laugh or
think the joker is clever it makes them think the joker is ill
mannered and ugly.
And has no sense of humour.
Silfren
Dorothy J Heydt
There is always a range of opinion about how authentic one
can get. The dialogue is not between authenticity and fun, as
is sometimes claimed -- for authenticity (within *reason*) is
about as fun as you can get -- but between authenticity and
silly. There are times and places for silly. Freaking the
mundanes on Halloween is certainly one. Late at night at a
post-revel (for those places that still have them) or a party
is another.
There are pleasures in extreme (resonable) authenticity which
those who don't attempt it never know. For example, some
time ago, at the West Kingdom Twenty-Year Celebration, up in
the Sierras: it never actually snowed on us, but it got
damned cold. I can remember sitting by the fire, wrapped in
all my warmest garments, holding my hands as near the flame
as I dared, and thinking, "This is what the Middle Ages were
really like. One lived close to the bone." It justified not
putting on a down jacket and huddling in my bubble tent with
the catalytic heater going.
But the authenticity must be within reason, as, not going
barefoot in the snow as penance, or burning heretics at the
stake, or as in the case of an ACW re-creationist who noted
that soldiers in that war frequently became sick from eating
improperly canned food, and who asked what the symptoms of
botulism, staph, salmonella, et cetera were so that he could
be maximally authentic. I hope he was just asking in order
to *fake* these symptoms, but the ACW folk are really gung-ho
on authenticity and it's just possible he wanted to poison
himself for real.....
Duke Cariadoc is one who is all for extreme authenticity
*within reason.* E.g., he has said on this bridge that he
would prefer to dig a latrine trench at Pennsic instead of
using the porta-potties, but he knows that the Coopers and
the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania wouldn't permit it, so he
refrains.
His problem is that he does not acknowledge the dialogue; for
him, maximum authenticity is the One True and Only Way, and
he has no tolerance for those who don't practice it; as
demonstrated above.
Still, in spite of all, the SCA is a broad, loose, and
umbrella-shaped organization. We have room for silly,
authentic, and everything in between.
David Cameron Staples
> mikea <mi...@mikea.ath.cx> wrote:
>
>>One Ansteorran king (Michael?) had the *most* obnoxious T-tunic, made of
>>Hawaiian-shirt material.
>
> We have a fellow here (who also occasionally reads the Rialto, Hi Ralg!)
> who has a Hawaiian print Landsknecht. It's been known to detect
> hangovers at 100 paces.
>
> Thank $DIETY it's been long in retirement.
ISTR stories of a full set of late-period garb in puff-and-slash, in
contrasting Hawai'ian fabrics... this is probably it.
--
David Cameron Staples | staples AT unimelb DOT edu DOT au
Melbourne University | School of Engineering | IT Support
Whoever said that hell hath no fury like a women scorned never owned a
cat.
-- bash.org/?351717
David Friedman
> On Oct 14, 10:07�am, David Friedman <d...@daviddfriedman.nopsam.com>
> wrote:
> > In article <n7bsn-DEB4CD.05463214102...@news.individual.net>,
> > �Ralph E Lindberg <n7...@callsign.net> wrote:
>
> >
> > > Sounds rather like my Hawaiian Print Landsknecht. where the under layer
> > > is four different patterns, two each obverse colors. Plus rainbow socks
> > > and Leis.
> > > Of which I could argue that if they had Hawaiian Print, they would have
> > > worn it .
> >
> > > Nearly got me banished...but then HRH had a hangover that morning
> >
> > I continue to be amazed by people who boast of how clever they have been
> > in spoiling the game other people are playing on the same field they are
> > playing theirs. There must be an internal logic to it or the pattern
> > wouldn't be so common.
> >
> > --
> Sigh
>
> I see someone is completely lacking any sense of humor today
>
> The outfit in question was made as a joke.
A joke whose point is how blatantly out of period it is.
David Friedman
djh...@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) wrote:
Yes. But as far as I could tell by the posts, these were outfits being
worn at events. If I was mistaken, then my comment doesn't apply to them.
...
> But the authenticity must be within reason, as, not going
> barefoot in the snow as penance, or burning heretics at the
> stake, or as in the case of an ACW re-creationist who noted
> that soldiers in that war frequently became sick from eating
> improperly canned food, and who asked what the symptoms of
> botulism, staph, salmonella, et cetera were so that he could
> be maximally authentic. I hope he was just asking in order
> to *fake* these symptoms, but the ACW folk are really gung-ho
> on authenticity and it's just possible he wanted to poison
> himself for real.....
Note that these people are not being inauthentic because being authentic
would be dangerous or difficult--they are making a positive effort to be
inauthentic, in order to shock people who are bothered by such things.
At least, that is what their posts seem pretty clearly to imply.
> Duke Cariadoc is one who is all for extreme authenticity
> *within reason.* E.g., he has said on this bridge that he
> would prefer to dig a latrine trench at Pennsic instead of
> using the porta-potties, but he knows that the Coopers and
> the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania wouldn't permit it, so he
> refrains.
Off hand, I can't remember ever saying that--do you have a cite?
> His problem is that he does not acknowledge the dialogue; for
> him, maximum authenticity is the One True and Only Way, and
> he has no tolerance for those who don't practice it; as
> demonstrated above.
On the contrary. I have no problem with people who wear modern shoes
because making or buying period shoes would be too expensive or too much
work, or people who compose songs in the style of sixties folk--which my
lady wife describes as the native musical style of the West Kingdom
(arguably of much of the society). Being more authentic is better, but
not at any cost, and having inauthentic music or shoes is generally
better than having no music or shoes.
I do have a problem with people who make a positive effort to be
inauthentic at events, just as I would have a problem with people who
made a point of eating ham sandwiches just outside the door of a
synagogue. Don't you?
...
David Friedman
<ddfr-5D66BF.2...@newsfarm.phx.highwinds-media.com>,
David Friedman <dd...@daviddfriedman.nopsam.com> wrote:
(Quoting Dorothy)
> > Duke Cariadoc is one who is all for extreme authenticity
> > *within reason.* E.g., he has said on this bridge that he
> > would prefer to dig a latrine trench at Pennsic instead of
> > using the porta-potties, but he knows that the Coopers and
> > the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania wouldn't permit it, so he
> > refrains.
>
> Off hand, I can't remember ever saying that--do you have a cite?
I found the post I think she is referring to, from 1989. The relevant
passage is:
---
"The rest of my message is simply acknowledging that we *do* re-create
the Middle Ages as we feel it should have been (I'm sure, for instance,
that even Cariadoc uses the Port-a-Castles at the War :-))." (Justin du
Coeur)
I think it is important not to confuse the purposes of the Society with
the other purposes we all have, and must balance against the purposes
of the Society. I use modern toilets at the war instead of digging a
medieval latrine because I have a limitted amount of time, do not want
to spread disease, and respect the property rights of the Coopers, who
would surely object to a latrine. None of those are purposes of the
Society--they are other considerations that limit the degree to which I
choose to achieve the purposes of the Society. If someone managed to
deal with those problems, and did an encampment with medieval
sanitation (well enough done so that there was not a disease problem),
I would concede that his encampment was, in that respect, better than
mine.
---
As you can see, I did not say that I would prefer to dig a latrine
trench. I offered several reasons why I don't dig a latrine, only one of
which has to do with the property rights of the Coopers (and none with
the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania). My conclusion was not that I would do
it if they would let me but that if someone else did it I would concede
that his encampment was, in that respect, better than mine.
Brian M. Scott
<zeb...@gmail.com> wrote in
<news:slrnhdcbd1....@gmail.com> in rec.org.sca:
> In rec.org.sca on Wed, 14 Oct 2009 12:11:02 -0700 (PDT)
> Ralph <n7...@callsign.net> wrote:
>> On Oct 14, 10:07?am, David Friedman
>> <d...@daviddfriedman.nopsam.com> wrote:
>>> I continue to be amazed by people who boast of how
>>> clever they have been in spoiling the game other people
>>> are playing on the same field they are playing theirs.
>>> There must be an internal logic to it or the pattern
>>> wouldn't be so common.
>>> --
>> Sigh
>> I see someone is completely lacking any sense of humor
>> today
> Nope. He just has a different one to you.
On this subject he's a bit of a prig -- which is to say that
he *hasn't* much of a sense of humor about it. He also
quite clearly fails to understand the motivation: because
*he* finds it offensive, he assumes that it must be intended
to offend, when in fact it's very often -- as apparently in
this case -- more like good-natured parody.
>> The outfit in question was made as a joke.
> And his point is that to him the joke isn't just unfunny,
> it's actively unpleasant to many people.
Which is more than a bit ironic, since he has elsewhere
refused to accept that such an argument should have any
force when applied to his behavior.
> It doesn't make them laugh or think the joker is clever it
> makes them think the joker is ill mannered and ugly.
> And has no sense of humour.
Anyone who thinks that is simply being ridiculous. One
might argue that it's a coarse sense of humor, but a sense
of humor is obviously present.
Talan
Chris Zakes
Well... that's a bit harsh. Heinlein mentions the concept of a "funny
once" joke--one that is funny the first time, but quickly becomes
tedious or annoying if repeated--like turning "Stop, pay toll" into
'Stop, pay troll" which has since devolved to the point were "Troll"
is the standard term in many kingdoms for the place where you pay the
site fee.
I'd say the Hawaiian Landsknecht falls into that category. I'd laugh
the first time I saw it, but if someone wore it repeatedly to events,
I might take them aside for a quiet word.
-Tivar Moondragon
Ansteorra
They began to plan people's lives and libraries; they began to instruct and push
about the very people who had come to Mars to get away from being instructed
and ruled and pushed about.
And it was inevitable that some of those people pushed back...
-Ray Bradbury, "The Martian Chronicles"
Dorothy J Heydt
David Friedman <dd...@daviddfriedman.nopsam.com> wrote:
> djh...@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) wrote:
>
>
>> Duke Cariadoc is one who is all for extreme authenticity
>> *within reason.* E.g., he has said on this bridge that he
>> would prefer to dig a latrine trench at Pennsic instead of
>> using the porta-potties, but he knows that the Coopers and
>> the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania wouldn't permit it, so he
>> refrains.
>
>Off hand, I can't remember ever saying that--do you have a cite?
You said it years and years ago here on rec.org.sca. I
didn't save it to disk so I can't bring it up.
Brian M. Scott
<dont...@gmail.com> wrote in
<news:mi2ed5tssi5mqrda1...@4ax.com> in
rec.org.sca:
[...]
> I'd say the Hawaiian Landsknecht falls into that category. I'd laugh
> the first time I saw it, but if someone wore it repeatedly to events,
> I might take them aside for a quiet word.
That's about my view as well.
Talan
Robert Uhl
>
> Well... that's a bit harsh. Heinlein mentions the concept of a "funny
> once" joke--one that is funny the first time, but quickly becomes
> tedious or annoying if repeated--like turning "Stop, pay toll" into
> 'Stop, pay troll" which has since devolved to the point were "Troll"
> is the standard term in many kingdoms for the place where you pay the
> site fee.
>
> I'd say the Hawaiian Landsknecht falls into that category. I'd laugh
> the first time I saw it, but if someone wore it repeatedly to events,
> I might take them aside for a quiet word.
Hear, hear! Although I'd give it more than _just_ the once.
There's a place for the Scadian meta-game, but once you start being
_all_ about the meta-game you're not really playing the game anymore,
are you?
--
Guthlac of Caerthe
Democracy: a system where, when you want coffee they give you a choice
of Coke or Pepsi.
Robert Uhl
I think that even remembering the exchange at all after twenty years is
pretty impressive...
--
Pooh: `Christopher Robin didn't say anything about fierce.
He just said it had an "x".'
Piglet: `It isn't their necks I mind, it's their teeth.'
--A.A. Milne
David Friedman
And is the next example of a strikingly out of period version of
otherwise period garb a new funny once, or a repeat of the old one?
Putting aside my objection to being deliberately and strikingly out of
period at an event, I also don't think that sort of thing is very
funny--it's what I would describe as a cheap joke. The particular
example might involve a good deal of trouble, but the underlying idea,
"isn't a striking transgression of the rules of the game funny," is a
very simple and unoriginal one that shows up repeatedly in the SCA in
various forms. It reminds me of conversation on the trade channel of
World of Warcraft, large parts of which consist of people, I suspect
male adolescents, demonstrating how courageous and nonconformist they
are by exchanging obscene insults.
David Friedman
Robert Uhl <eadm...@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote:
It presumably struck Dorothy as memorable. I didn't remember it. The
Google archive did.
Lisa Wiser
>>> I see someone is completely lacking any sense of humor
>>> today
>
>> Nope. He just has a different one to you.
>
> On this subject he's a bit of a prig -- which is to say that
> he *hasn't* much of a sense of humor about it. He also
> quite clearly fails to understand the motivation: because
> *he* finds it offensive, he assumes that it must be intended
> to offend, when in fact it's very often -- as apparently in
> this case -- more like good-natured parody.
>
Everyone has some point they take more seriously than others. You,
especially.
Lia
Brian M. Scott
<law...@att.net> wrote in
<news:7jp7jgF...@mid.individual.net> in rec.org.sca:
> Brian M. Scott wrote:
Especially? Seems unlikely.
Talan
Derek Lyons
>On this subject he's a bit of a prig -- which is to say that
>he *hasn't* much of a sense of humor about it. He also
>quite clearly fails to understand the motivation: because
>*he* finds it offensive, he assumes that it must be intended
>to offend, when in fact it's very often -- as apparently in
>this case -- more like good-natured parody.
Precisely.
Derek Lyons
>Chris Zakes <dont...@gmail.com> writes:
>>
>> Well... that's a bit harsh. Heinlein mentions the concept of a "funny
>> once" joke--one that is funny the first time, but quickly becomes
>> tedious or annoying if repeated--like turning "Stop, pay toll" into
>> 'Stop, pay troll" which has since devolved to the point were "Troll"
>> is the standard term in many kingdoms for the place where you pay the
>> site fee.
>>
>> I'd say the Hawaiian Landsknecht falls into that category. I'd laugh
>> the first time I saw it, but if someone wore it repeatedly to events,
>> I might take them aside for a quiet word.
>
>Hear, hear! Although I'd give it more than _just_ the once.
>
>There's a place for the Scadian meta-game, but once you start being
>_all_ about the meta-game you're not really playing the game anymore,
>are you?
It's amazing the assumptions that are being made in this thread - and
even more so that people are proceeding as if their assumptions were
fact.
The fact is (AFAIK) it was only worn for a relatively brief period
some twenty odd years ago. (Ralg, can you even fit in it any more?)
It's comes up now and again because, at least locally, it's part of
our lore and legends.
Morgan
wrote:
> djh...@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) wrote:
>
>> Consider the (possibly apocryphal) story of the little kid
>> who went trick-or-treating dressed in his best Sunday suit,
>> white shirt, tie, and a borrowed briefcase. He was
>> representing an IRS agent.
>
> Went to a halloween party some years back where you had to justify
> your regular clothes as I costume.
>
> I went as a serial killer.
>
> D.
I once worked in an office where we were not allowed to wear costumes on
Halloween, it being deemed "unprofessional." So, I came up with creative
solutions :-). One year, I dressed all in black, and if asked said I was a
Chaos Mathematician (this was shortly after Jurassic Park). Another year,
I used an eyebrow pencil to draw a pentagram on my palm, and said I was a
werewolf. When queried, I pointed out that it was still a couple of weeks
until the full moon.
One I never had the nerve to use on co-workers was to say I was a witch
(or druid), and point out that witches dress just like everyone else.
Being on a neo-pagan path, I didn't want to do anything that might cause
issues _after_ Halloween.
My most recent semi-costume was to find a stylized bat-like necklace,
carry a laptop on my lap (I use a wheelchair when going out), and go as
Oracle (for those who don't know, that's the name Batgirl goes by since
becoming a paraplegic).
Muirghein /|\
Ralph E Lindberg
fair...@gmail.com (Derek Lyons) wrote:
>
> It's amazing the assumptions that are being made in this thread - and
> even more so that people are proceeding as if their assumptions were
> fact.
>
That would be my take
> The fact is (AFAIK) it was only worn for a relatively brief period
> some twenty odd years ago. (Ralg, can you even fit in it any more?)
Yup, I wore it for the parties after I stepped down as Baron... I wanted
to wear it -to- the step-down. But several people would have killed me
(Ellen, Tsuruko, Bridget, while I suspect Cedric would have loved it )
> It's comes up now and again because, at least locally, it's part of
> our lore and legends.
>
Not just here, I lent it to Lee of the Lowlands, and he wore it to a
party at Gulf War (or was it Lilies?) a couple years ago
Ralg
AnTir
--
--------------------------------------------------------
Personal e-mail is the n7bsn but at amsat.org
This posting address is a spam-trap and seldom read
RV and Camping FAQ can be found at
http://www.ralphandellen.us/rv
Ralph E Lindberg
djh...@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) wrote:
>
> There is always a range of opinion about how authentic one
> can get. The dialogue is not between authenticity and fun, as
> is sometimes claimed -- for authenticity (within *reason*) is
> about as fun as you can get -- but between authenticity and
> silly. There are times and places for silly. Freaking the
> mundanes on Halloween is certainly one. Late at night at a
> post-revel (for those places that still have them) or a party
> is another.
>
> There are pleasures in extreme (resonable) authenticity which
> those who don't attempt it never know. For example, some
> time ago, at the West Kingdom Twenty-Year Celebration, up in
> the Sierras: it never actually snowed on us, but it got
> damned cold. I can remember sitting by the fire, wrapped in
> all my warmest garments, holding my hands as near the flame
> as I dared, and thinking, "This is what the Middle Ages were
> really like. One lived close to the bone." It justified not
> putting on a down jacket and huddling in my bubble tent with
> the catalytic heater going.
>
A couple years before that, AnTir had a Sept Crown where it was so
cold the water froze every night. The only reason it didn't snow was
because it was so clear and cold. Sleeping in the (period) pavilion,
with no heat. was not exactly fun.
But then a few years later we fixed that problem. SWMBO was starting
to have more problems with early on-set Arthritis. So I either spent 3
hours on each of the weekend, setting up and tearing down. Or she helped
me and was in too much pain the rest of the weekend. Or the weather got
too cold (or too hot) and she was in too much pain the rest of the
weekend.
So. almost 20 years ago, we went "to the dark-side" and bought an RV
(one of the first in AnTir). Ya it often meant staying in the parking
lot (until we cured Autocrats of that habit), or later in the RV Ghetto.
But it also meant sleeping temperate and dry.
Like the May Crown a few years back, where (due to TRM not getting
going on the Crown Tourney), finals being fought by torch light, with
intermittent snow showers (yes SNOW). We had several people drop by to
get warm.
Or the following July Coronation, where (due to the same TRM not
getting going on Court). Court was held in the sun, with temps over 100,
and we had to have 6 elevations done without a break. We got really hot
there in the sun. So a number of the Pelicans dropped by for a break
with the A/C running and have some IceCream.
Come to the Dark Side, we have IceCream
>
> Still, in spite of all, the SCA is a broad, loose, and
> umbrella-shaped organization. We have room for silly,
> authentic, and everything in between.
Which is why I'm in it and not some group that requires three
independent primary sources to document the introduction a new style of
buttons.
I get as big a kick out of a really great period thing, as a good silly
stunt spoofing that period thing
erilar
Ralph E Lindberg <n7...@callsign.net> wrote:
> In article <KrIrq...@kithrup.com>,
> djh...@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) wrote:
> > Still, in spite of all, the SCA is a broad, loose, and
> > umbrella-shaped organization. We have room for silly,
> > authentic, and everything in between.
>
> Which is why I'm in it and not some group that requires three
> independent primary sources to document the introduction a new style of
> buttons.
Exactly!
>
> I get as big a kick out of a really great period thing, as a good silly
> stunt spoofing that period thing
Bardic circles are among my greatest joys. I perform excessively
authentic pieces sometimes, and enjoy it when others do the same. I
also, in the same circle, happily not only join in on the silliest
filks, but have some I perform, too 8-)
--
Erilar, biblioholic
bib-li-o-hol-ism [<Gr biblion] n. [BIBLIO + HOLISM] books, of books:
habitual longing to purchase, read, store, admire, and consume books in excess.
Chris Zakes
caused Morgan <ljw-mot...@invalid.invalid> to write:
>On Wed, 14 Oct 2009 09:34:31 -0700, Derek Lyons <fair...@gmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>> djh...@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) wrote:
>>
>>> Consider the (possibly apocryphal) story of the little kid
>>> who went trick-or-treating dressed in his best Sunday suit,
>>> white shirt, tie, and a borrowed briefcase. He was
>>> representing an IRS agent.
>>
>> Went to a halloween party some years back where you had to justify
>> your regular clothes as I costume.
>>
>> I went as a serial killer.
>>
>> D.
>
>I once worked in an office where we were not allowed to wear costumes on
>Halloween, it being deemed "unprofessional." So, I came up with creative
>solutions :-). One year, I dressed all in black, and if asked said I was a
>Chaos Mathematician (this was shortly after Jurassic Park). Another year,
>I used an eyebrow pencil to draw a pentagram on my palm, and said I was a
>werewolf. When queried, I pointed out that it was still a couple of weeks
>until the full moon.
>
>One I never had the nerve to use on co-workers was to say I was a witch
>(or druid), and point out that witches dress just like everyone else.
>Being on a neo-pagan path, I didn't want to do anything that might cause
>issues _after_ Halloween.
Ah, yes. "I'm a homicidal maniac. They look just like everybody else."
-Wednesday Addams
Lyle H. Gray
> Or the lady who was going
> scouting at Pennsic with a full Elisabethan outfit in camo-print.
It was Tudor. ;-)
Lyle FitzWilliam
East
Nikolai Petrovich
-0700 typed in rec.org.sca the following:
>In article <o73ad5pk66k2gbbdl...@4ax.com>,
> Purple Kat <purp...@optonline.net> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 12 Oct 2009 07:27:03 -0500, Chris Zakes <dont...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >On Sun, 11 Oct 2009 18:23:28 -0400, an orbital mind-control laser
>> >caused Purple Kat <purp...@optonline.net> to write:
>> >
>> >>I just found out that the local pub is having a costume contest - I
>> >>was thinking it would be a hoot to enter my silly Elizabethan.
>> >
>> >Could you clarify a bit on what you mean by "silly Elizabethan"?
>> >
>> > -Tivar Moondragon
>> > Ansteorra
>>
>> It is an Elizabethan made completly out of 3" squares of random
>> fabric. Even the French Hood is completely covered with the same type
>> of 'fabric'.
>> The 'under' skirt is a '70's Black Light floral print.
>>
>> It makes the authenticity people scream and run away.
>>
>> Katheryne
>
>Sounds rather like my Hawaiian Print Landsknecht. where the under layer
>is four different patterns, two each obverse colors. Plus rainbow socks
>and Leis.
>Of which I could argue that if they had Hawaiian Print, they would have
>worn it .
>
>Nearly got me banished...but then HRH had a hangover that morning
"Dread Pirate Skippy" - in the black and florescent pinks and lime
green tights. Usually worn on the last day of the Event, "the
morning after the night before."
--
Nikolai Petrovich Flandropoff
Whimiscal Order of the Ailing Wit
Scribe & Zampollet to Clan MacFlandry
Loose Canon, An Tir Heavy Opera Company
Semi-offical TASS correspondent (That makes me - the Demi-Tass)
Nikolai Petrovich
typed in rec.org.sca the following:
>Phil <dogg...@yahoooo.com> wrote:
>>On Mon, 12 Oct 2009 07:27:03 -0500, Chris Zakes <dont...@gmail.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>
>>>me that seems a bit of a cop-out.
>>
>>Wearing your garb wouldn't be much different than wearing your work
>>clothes. Halloween is the time to be creative and weird.
>
>Consider the (possibly apocryphal) story of the little kid
>who went trick-or-treating dressed in his best Sunday suit,
>white shirt, tie, and a borrowed briefcase. He was
>representing an IRS agent.
Terrifying costume!
mikea
> djh...@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) on Wed, 14 Oct 2009 15:23:53 GMT
> typed in rec.org.sca the following:
>>In article <out9d5t8vk920s55t...@4ax.com>,
>>Phil <dogg...@yahoooo.com> wrote:
>>>On Mon, 12 Oct 2009 07:27:03 -0500, Chris Zakes <dont...@gmail.com>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>As a generalization, *I* wouldn't wear SCA clothes as a "costume." To
>>>>me that seems a bit of a cop-out.
>>>
>>>Wearing your garb wouldn't be much different than wearing your work
>>>clothes. Halloween is the time to be creative and weird.
>>
>>Consider the (possibly apocryphal) story of the little kid
>>who went trick-or-treating dressed in his best Sunday suit,
>>white shirt, tie, and a borrowed briefcase. He was
>>representing an IRS agent.
>
> Terrifying costume!
I did that, and added a set of Hallowe'en vampire fangs. When asked, I
responded that I was an IRS auditor.
--
A layman knows he has to kick it.; An amateur knows where to kick it.; A
professional knows how hard.