Looking for nudists in Ventura County
Richard Varela
looking to come out of my shell some more and hopefully join
like-minded people (preferrably men). Can anyone point me in
the right direction?......it's a bit awkward just asking
people locally or posting elsewhere so any help is
appreciated, thanks!
Richard
Zee
richard....you are not far from santa barbara....so if you 9paid a
viist to the first traffic light on 101...turn left and there is a
nude beach at this location which is visable at the light....nudist
will be friendly and head you straight to the right 9places you want
to go....i am not familiar with whats ha9p9pening in your area these
days so good luck and enjoy.....zee
Richard Varela
Thank you - I'll ask around. First traffic light on 101? I'm
not sure there is a light on the 101 anywhere near here but
I'll look.
Thanks!
Richard
Zee
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could be that intersection has changed but make a left somewhere and
get to beach and anyone can direct you to a nude area.....most nudist
are ap99proachable and willing to give directions....most of them were
like you when they came there.....zee
stinso...@hotmail.com
Anna
> Hi everyone - I am a (somewhat) practicing nudist and I am
> looking to come out of my shell some more and hopefully join
> the right direction?......it's a bit awkward just asking
> people locally or posting elsewhere so any help is
> appreciated, thanks!
>
> Richard
Why preferrably men?
Are you a homosexual?
I know that there are many homsexual resorts and clubs that allow
nudity (among other things). They are not in the spirit of nudism of
course.
Anna
> On Wed, 13 Oct 2010 16:36:57 +0000 (UTC), Richard Varela
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He is probably a homosexual. The last thing nudism needs is more
homosexuals on clothing optional beaches using the place as a gay beat
to have sex.
Richard, use Google. It is a good source. Lots of gay clubs allow
nudity.
Anna
But there he will encounter nude females as well as males. He
specifically stated he wants to be around nude males and not nude
females.
Anna
Naked ambition
Local nudists rally for the right to stay exposed
By Jenny Lower 07/03/2008
Gary Mussell is used to being misunderstood. A practicing nudist for
30 years and currently president of the Southern California Naturist
Association (SCNA), the 65-year-old Moorpark resident and father of
three has become accustomed to the backhanded compliment he receives
when people discover how he spends his free time: “I had no idea you
were a nudist,” they say. “You’re such a nice guy.”
It’s understandable in a country where, as Mussell says, “most people
don’t take off their clothes in front of another person unless they’re
going to have sex.” Though that’s not the case for him — he enjoys the
sensation of untrammeled exposure to sun and wind, and the possibility
of getting a “Vitamin D high” from that all-over tan — he recognizes
that for many people, the idea of going au naturel invokes a host of
troublesome issues, including body image, personal values or religion,
and even the threat of sexual abuse or assault. And for some, it just
seems downright weird.
Mussell appreciates their concerns, but in America, he says, the
majority doesn’t get to impose their values on the few. “One of the
great strengths of this country is our ability to accept people of
other faiths, beliefs and cultures.”
Even the most conservative citizens would likely be hard-pressed to
object to their neighbors practicing nudity in the privacy of their
own homes. But what if the setting in question is not a private
residence, but a public beach, and this particular expression of
individual freedom happens to conflict with a county ordinance banning
nudity?
Bates Beach, so-called for its proximity to the Bates exit off the 101
freeway, lies just north of the Santa Barbara County line in
Carpinteria. The 1,000-yard stretch of shoreline, demarcated by a
rusty drainpipe to the south and a curve in the coast to the north, is
largely hidden from the road and underused by the local population,
Mussell says. Drug dealers and perverts sometimes frequent the area.
It wasn’t always this way, according to the naturist community. Sonya,
a deeply tanned Ventura resident who prefers to go by her first name,
forms her words slowly and deliberately, the vestige of a stroke. She
speaks fondly of the golden age back in the ’80s, when local nudists
would gather weekly for volleyball games and cookouts. They picked up
trash — “that beach was as clean as this tile,” she says, indicating
the floor — and rigorously policed the area, driving away those who
came for the wrong reasons.
“The beach people came to be like my family,” she says, surprised to
find herself tearing up. “Everything was wonderful.”
That was before local officers started enforcing the anti-nudity
ordinance. Santa Barbara County law officially states it is “a public
nuisance and unlawful for any person to appear on any beach, park,
street or in any other public place … unclothed.” Nevertheless, Bates
Beach had managed to maintain a 30-year-long tradition of clothing
optional use. Waves of crackdowns by local law enforcement in 1992 and
1999 had briefly discouraged the nudist community, but they eventually
returned.
In 2000, the sheriff’s department began enforcing the law in earnest,
says Lt. Eric Koopmans, a member of the Santa Barbara County Sheriff’s
Department and the Station Commander for the Carpinteria Coastal Park
Bureau since last December. Many members of the nudist community
believe the effort was instigated by a new homeowner on Rincon Point,
who complained daily that the bathers were visible from her home.
Plainclothes officers began issuing tickets without warning. In Santa
Barbara County, such citations carry a $50 penalty for the first
offense and a mandatory court appearance before a judge. Not
surprisingly, the population of nude bathers quickly dwindled, then
died out altogether.
“It was like losing your home,” Sonya says. “It was very hurtful to
us.”
Koopmans says while his department is “obligated to enforce all laws,”
banning nude beaches makes sense even if nudists aren’t directly at
fault, since the environment often “entice[s] criminal activity for
someone else.
“It’s common sense. … We have rapists and predators who will seek out
victims in areas where they can find them. Areas where there is nude
bathing are perfect areas.”
But that logic, says Mussell, constitutes “a fallacious argument.”
“Every beach has its pervert,” he says. “You go to any beach anywhere
on the coast, and there are people misbehaving. We had a community of
people who were actively protective of the fact we weren’t wearing
clothes.”
Bates has been officially “textile only” for eight years now, but it
hardly appears safer. Sonya says the last time she visited the beach,
two drunk men approached her where she was sunbathing alone (clothed)
and began making provocative comments. They did not retreat until she
pulled out her cellphone and pretended to call the police.
“We used to chase those people away,” says Mussell ruefully.
Bates Beach is not alone. Across the state, traditionally nude beaches
have come under fire from a public increasingly concerned with the
social and moral implications of baring it all.
San Onofre, a state beach just north of Camp Pendleton, has long
sustained a tradition of clothing-optional use thanks to the 1972
Cahill Policy, an unofficial guiding principle for state parks that
allows nude recreation in historically recognized areas, so long as no
private citizens make a formal complaint. Recently Ruth Coleman, the
new director of California Parks and Recreation, announced this policy
will be rescinded and park rangers will begin issuing citations later
this summer.
The decision has sparked an outcry from the nudist community, who have
mobilized to fight what they see as one vigilante’s attempt to
legislate her own beliefs in defiance of a long-standing public
tradition to the contrary.
Tony Wilkinson, a lifelong Republican who rediscovered nudism as an
adult after exploring it in college, says objections like Coleman’s
are common and tend to follow a familiar pattern. “It’s always
expressed in terms of a personal value system which can’t accept
social nudity. There’s not much intellectual dialogue you can have
with someone like this because it becomes a question of morality.”
The naturist community has begun organizing locally as well. SCNA, the
nonprofit social club of which Mussell is president, has formed an
offspring organization called the Nude Beach Alliance dedicated to
reinstating nude use at Bates Beach. Members have begun a sly campaign
to raise awareness among local business owners of their numbers and
purchasing power. Armed with fistfuls of $2 bills, naturists use the
questions generated by the unusual currency as an opportunity to
explain their mission and demonstrate that for a troubled economy,
there is profit in numbers.
“We’re trying to say if there were more people down at the beach
they’d be buying more hamburgers,” Wilkinson says.
So far, says Ricc Bieber, an activist who has worked to maintain
nudist beaches since 1976, “practically everyone has been really
positive. They understand the economic consequences.”
Despite this encouragement, groups like SCNA still face opposition
from those who insist something must be going on. For the record, SCNA
promotes “family-friendly recreation” (“with a difference!”) for its
120 paid members, who range in age from 24 to 95. Prospective members
and guests sign a behavior contract, undergo a rigorous screening
process, and are checked against the Meghan’s Law database and other
sexual offender registries. If a married individual wants to join
alone, the uninvolved spouse is always informed. In seven years, they
have had only three incidents of inappropriate behavior, and two of
them were by women, Mussell says. Still, nudist organizations can’t
seem to shake their dueling labels as either a den for perverts and
pedophiles or a swinging singles club.
It’s no good, Mussell says, explaining, “there’s a lot more flirting
and innuendo done at a clothed cocktail party than at a nudist party.
We’re very boring.”
In a secluded backyard high in the Camarillo hills, SCNA’s outdoor
party looks something like how you might imagine the Garden of Eden.
Adults lounge in lawn chairs and sip margaritas in the buff; a 10 year-
old girl with flotation devices strapped to her bare arms and middle
darts toward the indoor pool, where a half dozen people tread water in
birthday suits instead of swimsuits; and Vivian Weston, a former
employee of the now-closed Elysium Fields nudist resort in Topanga
Canyon, has jokingly nestled two tiny fuchsia flowers in her pubic
area. Everywhere, people of all body shapes and sizes mingle easily,
unabashed and unashamed in an environment Wilkinson calls “awesomely
tolerant.”
Nudity, he says, is “magic. It’s so completely freeing. … It’s sort of
like returning to the innocence of childhood.”
Paki, a Polynesian woman with aloha tattooed on her chest, raised her
children in a clothing-optional home. Her daughter now has children of
her own, and brings them to SCNA functions. Now that her oldest
granddaughter is approaching puberty, Paki says she hopes she
continues to develop the self-confidence she has learned through
social nudity. “I want her to stay exposed. I don’t want her to start
feeling shy because her body’s changing.”
That seems to be the key to nudism: acceptance — of one’s own body,
and those of others. But it also transcends the physical. Bieber
observes, “The nudist community in its entirety crosses every
political and social strata — color, socioeconomic, everything. We’re
sort of a microcosm of how society could be if everybody could just
get along.”
Even nudists and non-nudists? Perhaps so. As Wilkinson notes, “We’re
all naked under our clothes.”
For more information, visit SCNA’s Web site at www.socalnaturist.org.
For more information on Bates Beach, go to www.ournudebeachalliance.com.
Anna
Rincon Beach has nice views and clean sand, but is flat and open to
view.
The Santa Barbara County sheriff is often out on warm days ticketing
nude sunbathers and arresting people having sex. Read the Santa
Barbara County nudity laws.
NOT RECOMMENDED Brad reported in July, 2002, "Last year the local law
enforcement not only resorted to plain clothes detectives, but
actually began amphibious assaults attacking the beach with boats and
jet skis. With such military tactics, they succeeded in closing down
its nude usage. I walked down the beach yesterday. Three years ago one
would have seen 200+ nude bathers.
Yesterday, there were approximately 25 people on this same stretch,
and with the exception of one guy who was hiding behind some
driftwood, all were clothed. I talked to the one nude guy who said it
is high risk as anyone walking up the beach could be a cop ready to
issue citations."
Zee
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Anna....i now am p9icking u9p on why rec nude is such a long faced
unha9p9py bunch...comments should not be made to folks making inquires
about unfriendly nudist assum9ptions.....ex9planation.....there are
many no no in nudism that you p9ick through the years.....that i
notice no one around here isw aware of.....i also noted he might be
homo but if you 9professionally steer the 9person in the right
direction....like the nude beach....i can assure you he will find a
homo nudist to sp9eak and then he will be educated totally about
everything he needs to know.....why should we s9pend time here by
fanning a flame of another p9oster before they 9post....and look like
goffy white trash in the p9rocess....a middle class after ready how a
newcomer was treated....will most assuredly ..uh huh....just a bunch
of trashy p9eo9ple and un9professional......he he....i think you
understand now....yes nudist facilites do not get many homos and homos
i must say are not overbearing 9peop9le that try to intrude like some
you might see on tv.....they know it is a hetero naked kid
thing ...they are very bright about sexuality.....and see i am
hom9phobic and 9proud of it...that is my values but i will always tout
thegood about ones i do not care to associate with....you could that
nudist is one grou9p that does discriminate against.gays...but hee hee
ha ha....when it comes to full blown hard core sex seekers ...nudist
want what they want nothing more or nothing less....zee
James Dale Guckert
> He is probably
Heh.
And you whine when we refer to you as "he."
I guess it's okay with you after all.
--
JDG
James Dale Guckert
> He
> specifically stated he wants to be around nude males and not nude
> females.
Actually, that was you.
--
JDG
Casa Blanca Hot Spring
Hi Richard,
Zee is the resident nut here. Nothing he writes has any credibility. I suggest you not
waste time looking for that nude beach. I'll bet $$ it does not exist.
NN,
Bill
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Casa Blanca Hot Spring
Hi Richard,
"Richard Varela" <oxnar...@yahoo.nospam> wrote in message
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Go to www.naturistsociety.com to find groups in your area. Also try googling, in
quotes, things like "male nudist clubs".
Naturally Nude,
Bill Pennington
Zee
<CasaBlancaHotSpr...@mindspring.com> wrote:
> Hi Richard,
>
> "Richard Varela" <oxnard_1...@yahoo.nospam> wrote in message
willy you being the resident butt fuckin queer...it makes me feel so
good being the resident nut....and i bet you check your nudist digest
you will clearly see that a nude beach is or was located lleft at the
first intersection on 101 north bound through santa barbara.....even
youi queers lie like dogs.....zee
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Colonel Edmund J. Burke
> Where do you live
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Ventura County got all burned up by that big-ass fire, little feller.
