nude swimming in USA high schools
Horatio
> schools had physical education classes with nude swimming. But
> apparently this was only for the boys' class; the girls wore either tank
> suits or these unflattering bloomer-like costumes with skirts. Were there
> any reported cases of schools where the girls swam nude as well? And if
> so, was a man teacher ever allowed to substitute? I'd heard that a woman
> could sometimes sub in a boys nude swim class, though the kids did have
> the option to opt out in that case.
As hard as it is to believe, I am a male who was a P.E. coach during the
mid 60's.. and did have several experiences instructing high school girls
nude swim classes. I only filled in if the female coach was unavailable. I
was very nervous the first time I had to teach the class, and I'm sure the
girls were also. At the first roll call, when the girls were lined up
(naked) by the pool, I tried to keep my eyes off their breasts, and not
make them feel uncomfortable with me there. After awhile, the swimming
instruction became the center of focus, and not the nudity. The girls
always requested me back as a substitute teacher when their coach was out.
Those experiences helped ease my own fears about practicing social nudism
in later years.
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Horatio
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Kathleen
>mid 60's.. and did have several experiences instructing high school girls
>nude swim classes. I only filled in if the female coach was unavailable. I
>was very nervous the first time I had to teach the class, and I'm sure the
>girls were also. At the first roll call, when the girls were lined up
>(naked) by the pool, I tried to keep my eyes off their breasts, and not
>make them feel uncomfortable with me there. After awhile, the swimming
>instruction became the center of focus, and not the nudity. The girls
>always requested me back as a substitute teacher when their coach was out.
>Those experiences helped ease my own fears about practicing social nudism
>in later years.
>
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>Horatio
>aveenyally...@aol.com
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>
>
>
that. I took swimming. We wore school issued black speedos. In fact, girls were
not even allowed to wear shorts or slacks. Dresses only. AND we showered in our
swimsuits too--
Kathleen
"Counting My Blessings!"
sunseeker
Mike B.
the Pasadena Y every Sat. In late May our gym class adjourned to the local
pool and swam every morn. Girls at one end of the pool guys at the other.
Guys wore what was the style at the time, Girls wore one piece suits. I got a
look in the girls dressing room once and they had dressing stalls. Guys had
ONE BIG room open to the sky, with showers at one end. We did shower nude.
Don't know about the girls.
Boy Scouts had a swim night at the LA police academy. We all swam nude.
Remember this was in the mid Early 60's. Right around the assaination of JFK.
In article <20010401143222...@ng-fa1.aol.com>, okeef...@aol.com
Brian Kasl
Nicolas Garcia
I attended High School from 1973-1976, and all our swimming sessions in
our high school were in the nude. we thought nothing of it. i also knew
from other friends in different schoold that it was done there too. I
cannot speak for the girls swimming sessions.
my 2 cents worth.
Nick.
FrankV8
>I wasn't in high school in the '60s and even I don't believe it. This
>sounds quite a bit like the nude girls school in England that taught
>masturbation in the classroom. That one was a riot. :-)
>
>Todd
>
>
Yes probably just an April fools joke. I went to school in the 70s so I doubt
anything changed much. We (the boys) did have to strip before changing and were
lined up nude before the coach opened up the showers but I dont recall any
class that was held nude. In fact the girls only changed from their shoes into
their sneakers. They played in their skirts and blouses and did not shower
until they got home. The only part of that message that resembles the truth (at
least as far as my experiences go) is that when our male gym teacher (one of
only two male teachers in the school) was out one of the female teachers filled
in, including observing us change and shower.
Kathleen
>From: Nicolas Garcia nico...@skat.usc.edu
>Date: 4/2/01 12:32 AM Pacific Daylight Time
>Message-id: <Pine.GSO.4.21.010402...@skat.usc.edu>
>
>
>
>I attended High School from 1973-1976, and all our swimming sessions in
>our high school were in the nude. we thought nothing of it. i also knew
>from other friends in different schoold that it was done there too. I
>cannot speak for the girls swimming sessions.
>
>my 2 cents worth.
>
>
>Nick.
>
Kathleen
"Counting My Blessings!"
Herm Schugard
<20010401143222...@ng-fa1.aol.com>:
>Having been a high school student in the 60s forgive me if I
>don't believe that. I took swimming. We wore school issued
>black speedos. In fact, girls were not even allowed to wear
>shorts or slacks. Dresses only. AND we showered in our
>swimsuits too-- Kathleen
>"Counting My Blessings!"
I graduated in 1961, boys swimming was nude, girls swimming was
not nude. And there never would have been any reason for a male
teacher of any type, to be in the girls swimming class, or
likewise for a woman teacher, to be in the boys swimming class.
Sounds more like a fantasy to me. The Y was the same way, the
men/boys did not wear swim suits, the girls who had to use the
same pool as they did not have a pool at the YWCA, wore suits.
At that time, there was no coed swimming, and when it did happen
later, the boys/men wore swim suits. But I do believe that both
sexs showered nude. Not together of course.
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Tom
San Diego, late 50s, some schools did have the boys swim nude. Ours
used the YMCA and were nude there, but off campus. At our big school
there were enough male coaches that I never saw a female in the locker
room. An exception was at Dana JRHS (1957) when one of the female
coaches used to come into the male coach's office through a back door
and look out the window into the boy's locker room. It stopped after a
parent complaint, but had been going on for years.
Craig
Ohio. All swimming classes were sex segregated and in the nude. This
was true through at least 1967. I have met many others with similiar
experiences from this time period.
Craig
Bmasonjohnson
school. The consensus (from several different postings at different locations
over the years) seems to be that there weren't, although apparently some girls'
summer camps occasionally had a "moonlight skinny dip," but this was a
once-in-a-while thing. I'd like to know if girls' nude swimming was ever
routine anywhere.
Kathleen
>
>San Diego, late 50s, some schools did have the boys swim nude. Ours
>used the YMCA and were nude there, but off campus. At our big school
>there were enough male coaches that I never saw a female in the locker
>room. An exception was at Dana JRHS (1957) when one of the female
>coaches used to come into the male coach's office through a back door
>and look out the window into the boy's locker room. It stopped after a
>parent complaint, but had been going on for years.
>
Now the 50s I would believe.
Kathleen
"Counting My Blessings!"
Nicolas Garcia
Dear Kathleen
this may have been a joke, but I was serious. we did have to swim in
the buff at my high school.
NO JOKE !!!
Nick.
St John
<mike...@aol.com> wrote:
In Cincinnati Ohio at Western Hill HS in 60-67(7 -12 grade) my brother
swam nude in gym and in 72-73 (11 grade Iwas in a different school 7-10
grade) I swan nude. My sister had to wear one tank suits given out in
gym class 63-70. the girls did not like them because when wet you could
see through them.
Then in 73-74 gym became co-ed and everyone had to wear bathing suits.
Some of the girls wore the school suits (you could see through them) but
many brought thier own.
One time in 73 when I was in swim class the fire alarm went off. There
was a fire in kitchen. We guys had to exit the pool through the girls
locker room. The girls exited straight from the girls gym to the
outside. It was the shortest way out of the pool to the outside. In
the locker room we were given towels to wrap around ourselves. We had
been told during the first swim class what would happen in case of a fire
alarm. and that it was a two swat offence on the bare bottom for causing
some to lose a towel out side. We were out side for about 1 1/2 hours.
No one lose their towel.
In the 50's and 60's we would go to the men's club with our dad on
Saterdays to swim. The club had swimming lessons for
kids on saterday mornings grouped by age. They required everyone to
be nude. They also let men bring their young daughters with them. I
think the rule said up to 8 years old. But some bent the rule. My
sister says she kept going till she was 11 and hit puberty. Their was
one girl in my 7th grade homeroom who was still going with her dad
and borther. She asked me not to tell anyone at school or the club.
Horatio
The part about boys' high school swim classes being held nude, however, was
based on truth. This was actually pretty common in the 50's and 60's,
perhaps into the early 70's as well. The elimination of nude swimming was
due in large part to the introduction of co-educational physical education
classes; prior to the 70s, co-ed gym classes were apparently almost
unheard-of in the USA. Nude swimming was also popular at YMCAs at the
time; once again, their being co-ed-ized (is that a word?) in the 70's put
an end to that.
I have yet to hear about any girls' swim classes that were regularly held
nude. Well, in the Western Hemisphere, anyway.
Nowadays, I understand that most high school students won't even group
shower after phys-ed anymore, regardless of gender. They just put on extra
Right Guard until they get home. Oversexualization of media/society and an
awareness of homosexuality might be the reasons why. One exception to the
fear of showering is the wrestling team, because (a) by the nature of the
sport they are more comfortable with the human body, and (b) there are
significant risks of diseases like ringworm that they can get from the mats
if they don't rinse off right away.
Jeffrey Allen Roberts
>>Subject: Re: nude swimming in USA high schools
>>From: Nicolas Garcia nico...@skat.usc.edu
>>Date: 4/2/01 12:32 AM Pacific Daylight Time
>>Message-id: <Pine.GSO.4.21.010402...@skat.usc.edu>
>>
>>
>>
>>I attended High School from 1973-1976, and all our swimming sessions in
>>our high school were in the nude. we thought nothing of it. i also knew
>>from other friends in different schoold that it was done there too. I
>>cannot speak for the girls swimming sessions.
>>
>>my 2 cents worth.
>>
>>
>>Nick.
>>
K\ Kathleen
K\ "Counting My Blessings!"
I attended high school in the mid-70's. We didn't swim nude at the school,
but we did at the Y. The Y sessions were segregated by sex. Older pools
were often nude because of filtration problems, the school pool was brand new,
the Y's was built in the late 40's.
--
Jeffrey
Jeffrey Allen Roberts
C\ I learned to swim starting in 61 or 62 - it was a YMCA near Akron
C\ Ohio. All swimming classes were sex segregated and in the nude. This
C\ was true through at least 1967. I have met many others with similiar
C\ experiences from this time period.
Including me :^), missed ya by about 3 yrs.
C\ Craig
C\ On 01 Apr 2001 18:32:22 GMT, okeef...@aol.com (Kathleen) wrote:
>>>As hard as it is to believe, I am a male who was a P.E. coach during the
>>>mid 60's.. and did have several experiences instructing high school girls
>>>nude swim classes. I only filled in if the female coach was unavailable. I
>>>was very nervous the first time I had to teach the class, and I'm sure the
>>>girls were also. At the first roll call, when the girls were lined up
>>>(naked) by the pool, I tried to keep my eyes off their breasts, and not
>>>make them feel uncomfortable with me there. After awhile, the swimming
>>>instruction became the center of focus, and not the nudity. The girls
>>>always requested me back as a substitute teacher when their coach was out.
>>>Those experiences helped ease my own fears about practicing social nudism
>>>in later years.
>>>
>>>-------------
>>>Horatio
>>>aveenyally...@aol.com
>>>(remove all your clothes to reply)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>Having been a high school student in the 60s forgive me if I don't believe
>>that. I took swimming. We wore school issued black speedos. In fact, girls were
>>not even allowed to wear shorts or slacks. Dresses only. AND we showered in our
>>swimsuits too--
>>Kathleen
>>"Counting My Blessings!"
--
Jeffrey
Echo Ray 1
was preparing for teaching I was a substitute. I was assigned to substitute
for a female P.E. teacher on one occasion. The "duty" roster for the teachers
had me assigned to hand out towels in the girls locker room--girls were
required to shower. I pointed out to the Athletic Director (male) that perhaps
it would not be wise doing that duty assignment. I was reassigned to watch the
door (so girls wouldn't cut out early for lunch, etc.) and one of the other
female teaches handed out towels. I have a feeling that if I hadn't raised the
question, I probably would have been expected to do the original "duty" and
probably would have ended my teaching career before it started. The offices of
both the male and female P.E. teachers were above the gym and had windows
looking down over the shower rooms to "supervise". Ostensibly the male desks
were on the boys side, and the female desks on the girls side. But with it
open, there was nothing making the "supervision" gender specific and the male
PE teachers or the female PE teachers were frequently alone in the office and
responsible for supervising both sides. I never heard of that being any kind of
a problem, but I suppose if I were one of the students below the windows I
might have a different opinion on the matter.
