Drawing at the beach
Ron McDonald
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>I'd like to know what the etiquette is regarding sketching at a
>CO beach. I've recently gotten into "life drawing" (if they are
>clothed is it "death drawing"?) and a CO beach would be a good
>opportunity to do what are called guesture drawings, i.e. quick
>one or two minute sketches of a figure in action.
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>Are there any other artists or artist wanna-be's out there?
Even though you wouldn't be able to reconize the people, you should still get permission.
Most people wouldn't object, it would help if maybe you brought along
some of your work.
True you could draw them being in a public area, but then you could piss
them off if you didn't have their permission. You would have to be looking
at them quite a bit and they might not like that if they didn't know what
you were doing.
W T Meyer
I'd like to know what the etiquette is regarding sketching at a
CO beach. I've recently gotten into "life drawing" (if they are
clothed is it "death drawing"?) and a CO beach would be a good
opportunity to do what are called guesture drawings, i.e. quick
one or two minute sketches of a figure in action.
This isn't quite the same as photography, since generally the subject
isn't recognizable. I don't think I could even do a recognizable
likeness. Still, would people consider it an intrusion? I realize
that legally I can draw whomever I want in a public place, but I'm
not talking lawyer here, I'm asking about courtesy.
Deborah Pearce
>From: me...@iastate.edu (W T Meyer)
>Subject: Drawing at the beach
>Date: 10 Oct 1994 21:00:49 GMT
>I'd like to know what the etiquette is regarding sketching at a
>CO beach. I've recently gotten into "life drawing" (if they are
>clothed is it "death drawing"?)
Life drawing, also called figure drawing, refers to drawing anything alive,
clothed, unclothed, furred, quilled, or otherwise. This is in contrast to
still lifes, landscapes, and abstracts. Classes in life drawing frequently
use nude models, but not exclusively. Life drawing includes portraiture,
where clothing is a moot point, and studies in various parts of the body, such
as feet, hands, arms, etc., as well as exercises in drawing the body draped
and clothed to learn to use figures in cityscapes and landscapes. Life
drawing exercises are used to build skills in light and shadow on shapes as
well as just to learn to draw the body, because the body presents a very
complex mix of light, shadow, and shape.
As another poster has said, it is always more polite to inform anyone who
is close enough to you to be aware of it, that you are drawing/watching them.
However, I think your idea to practice figure drawing at the beach is a good
idea. You have a relatively blank background so you can see shape and
movement more clearly and you have a mix of long poses and quick action poses,
along with strong light/shadow effects, at the beach.
However, since most bathing suits fit the body tightly and cover very little
of it, I don't see much advantage in practicing your figure drawing on a nude
beach, unless you plan to do detailed drawings of people only a few feet away
from you, in which case you shouldn't consider drawing them in any location or
clothing status without asking first.
Didi
Randall P Devol
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>likeness. Still, would people consider it an intrusion? I realize
>that legally I can draw whomever I want in a public place, but I'm
>not talking lawyer here, I'm asking about courtesy.
>
I would be flattered if you wanted to draw my figure. If you were
obviously an artist (had lugged all the required gear to the beach, had
examples of previous work, had a hat with a sign: "I am an artist") I
would not feel intruded upon. If you are not obviously an artist (you
only brought a #2 pencil and a 3-ring binder with lined paper), I would
classify you as a gawker unless you politely explained your intentions,
and then I would still be suspicious.
To paraphrase another response, "Why at a nude beach? Why not draw at a
textile beach?" Do you go to nude beaches for recreation or just to
draw? Examine your own intentions very carefully. It is sometimes a
great response predictor.
-=O=- Randy
Scott W. Coatsworth
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>There's one big advantage to practicing drawing on a nude beach....
>The artist himself/herself can enjoy being nude on the beach while
>sketching.
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>I would also expect that nude beachgoers have a greater sense of body
>self-acceptance and would be more inclined to give the artist
>permission.
>
I've thought about asking artists I know how they would feel about going
to White Thorn Lodge (closest club to Pittsburgh) to do figure studies.
I'm sure they've never seen that much diversity in their models.
I would have to clear this with White Thorn, but I'm sure a lot of members
would be interested, especially if they could keep some of the work.
--
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Neil Midkiff
[regarding a discussion of figure drawing at the beach, and asking
permission to do so]
:However, since most bathing suits fit the body tightly and cover very little
:beach, unless you plan to do detailed drawings of people only a few feet away
:from you, in which case you shouldn't consider drawing them in any location or
:clothing status without asking first.
There's one big advantage to practicing drawing on a nude beach....
The artist himself/herself can enjoy being nude on the beach while
sketching.
I would also expect that nude beachgoers have a greater sense of body
self-acceptance and would be more inclined to give the artist
permission.
In fact, in my experience, it's easier to strike up a conversation
with strangers (strike that, substitute "new friends") at a nude beach
than at a textile beach, and a conversation is a prerequisite for
asking permission to draw.
-Neil
David Engman
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>In article <37ca21$1...@news.iastate.edu>, me...@iastate.edu (W T Meyer) says:
>>
>>
>>I'd like to know what the etiquette is regarding sketching at a
>>CO beach. I've recently gotten into "life drawing" (if they are
>>clothed is it "death drawing"?) and a CO beach would be a good
>>opportunity to do what are called guesture drawings, i.e. quick
>>one or two minute sketches of a figure in action.
>>
>>
>>Are there any other artists or artist wanna-be's out there?
>
>Even though you wouldn't be able to reconize the people, you should still get permission.
>Most people wouldn't object, it would help if maybe you brought along
>some of your work.
>
>True you could draw them being in a public area, but then you could piss
>them off if you didn't have their permission. You would have to be looking
>at them quite a bit and they might not like that if they didn't know what
>you were doing.
>
>
The moral of this story: If not sure ask first!
Robert Palmer
adults each week with a live model. Unfortunately participants are
suppose to know what to do when they get there.
I've been interested but have no idea where to start. Not going
back to school for classes first. Any suggestions?
CDH1234567
It seems to me the courteous thinbg to do is to ask. Having been at many
nude beaches, I would love to be asked. At a nudist resort one does not
have to ask. Pictures and videos are taken frequently.
Richard Kenner
>It seems to me the courteous thinbg to do is to ask. Having been at many
>nude beaches, I would love to be asked. At a nudist resort one does not
>have to ask. Pictures and videos are taken frequently.
This is exactly backwards! The rules on pictures at nudist resorts
are MUCH stricter than beaches. We've discussed the legal and moral
status at beaches at great length, so I won't do so again here, but
the rules at all the major (and probably most of the minor) nudist
resorts regarding photography are usually quite clear: no pictures at
all may be taken without permission of the resort management and such
permission is usually NOT given. You CERTAINLY have to ask everybody
who'd be in your picture at a resort; it's much more important to do
so there than on a beach because people at a resort will assume that
they will NOT be photographed while those on a beach have a lower
expectation of privacy.
There's an interesting special-case here: Club Orient (in St. Martin)
is a nudist resort on the beach. They have signs strictly prohibiting
photography and the guards will enforce it. Nevertheless, I've taken
over a hundred pictures there. How? By taking them in the early
morning or late afternoon and being very careful to make sure that the
only people around (not just in the frame, but around) are those of my
group. The guards know me and recognize what I'm doing and I've never
had any trouble. There's also a natural backdrop (the ocean) so you
can avoid pointing the camera where there might suddenly be people.
But I was at Paradise Lakes last month with a group, I didn't even
BRING a camera because they are much stricter and there wouldn't be
very many practical places to take pictures that wouldn't be
disturbing to somebody.
Pat Crockett
Robert Palmer <rob...@delphi.com> wrote:
>
> Where I live the local Art League has a drawing/painting night for
> adults each week with a live model. Unfortunately participants are
> suppose to know what to do when they get there.
>
> I've been interested but have no idea where to start. Not going
> back to school for classes first. Any suggestions?
>
1. Give yourself permission to accept whatever you draw -- you are not a
camera, you don't need to be one (they can be bought fairly cheaply), and
you will generally find that a distorted image which honestly reports an
artist's "inner vision" is more fun to look at than a high fidelity image
which isn't honest. Most people think that drawing bodies and/or faces is
more difficult than drawing other things, but it isn't true. It's just
that a) we don't really look carefully at bodies, and b) we tend to have
pretty strongly internalized stereotypes of what bodies should look like.
2. Don't worry about using the same materials or methods that others
present are using. Many of them probably have taken drawing classes and
will be trying to force themselves to conform to methods or styles not
suited to their inner vision.
3. Don't worry about looking like an amateur. This can be your source of
freedom -- you don't have years of courses/practice behind you, so you
don't have to live up to any expectations. You can just let it flow,
experimenting without risk. Many of your fellow artists will admire your
courage for jumping right in. Others may try to teach you. Listen
politely, and try whatever strikes your fancy, but don't accept any of it
as gospel.
4. Don't worry about being great right away. It may take a bunch of
sessions before you draw something you really like. You can still be
having fun drawing.
5. One thing you might want to try (not gospel, remember) is starting
with a fairly thick felt-tip pen (up to magic marker thickness). This
forces you to accept each line you put on the paper (no erasing) and go on
from there. (One problem newbies sometimes encounter is indecisively
drawing and erasing a single line/shape over and over and never actually
drawing anything.) A more traditional approach is to use charcoal and
newsprint -- whose virtues include being relatively inexpensive.
6. A warning: many groups such as you describe will devote a lot of time
to quick poses (30 seconds to 5 or 10 minutes). The idea is to get the
artists to see the body in a different way in order to facilitate better
drawings in longer poses. Be prepared to go with the flow.
7. Don't think that you have to draw the whole person every time.
You will find it a LOT easier to draw whatever attracts your attention.
If it's just hands on one pose, the whole body on another, and just
breasts on a third, then go for it.
8. You may find it helpful to read "Drawing on the Right", a book whose
author I never can remember. It's commonly availble in bookstores,
and maybe libraries. I think there is a sequel now, too, as well as
various imitators. I thought it was a great book, although I only read 3
or 4 chapters.
Captain Curmudgeon
: 8. You may find it helpful to read "Drawing on the Right", a book whose
: author I never can remember. It's commonly availble in bookstores,
: and maybe libraries. I think there is a sequel now, too, as well as
: various imitators. I thought it was a great book, although I only read 3
: or 4 chapters.
_Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain_ by Betty Edwards (ISBN
0-87477-088-2)? Or is this one of the imitations?
Cheers,
CC
--
Take off all your clothes and walk down the street waving a machete
and firing an Uzi, and terrified citizens will phone the police and
report: "There's a naked person outside!" - Mike Nichols
Robert Banks
>BRING a camera because they are much stricter and there wouldn't be
>very many practical places to take pictures that wouldn't be
>disturbing to somebody.
The one time I visited Paradise Lakes, friends and I had a condo in the
old section, and we took pictures there with no problem. Of course, we were
careful not to use a camera where others might object. As you found at Club
Orient, using a little common sense and being sensitive to others is
required for taking pictures at nudist resorts.
Bob B.
C. Sanjayan Rosenmund
: In article <384v2s$h...@bigblue.oit.unc.edu>
: croc...@Mickey.stat.unc.edu "Pat Crockett" writes:
: > 8. You may find it helpful to read "Drawing on the Right", a book whose
: > author I never can remember. It's commonly availble in bookstores,
: > and maybe libraries. I think there is a sequel now, too, as well as
: > various imitators. I thought it was a great book, although I only read 3
: > or 4 chapters.
: >
: I tink the book you are recommending is "Drawing on the right side of the
: brain", by Betty Edwards. I certainly recommend it.
: --Richard
OK so...where didthe beach go? I had thought this was a question of
etiquite, or did the original thread get lost? Also, is the artist nude?
If not why is s/he here? Isn't there a newsgroup on this sub?
Just my $.02.
Bare hugs :>
Sanjay
max jester
: In article <9410131926591...@delphi.com>,
: Robert Palmer <rob...@delphi.com> wrote:
: >
: > Where I live the local Art League has a drawing/painting night for
: > adults each week with a live model. Unfortunately participants are
: > suppose to know what to do when they get there.
: >
: > I've been interested but have no idea where to start. Not going
: > back to school for classes first. Any suggestions?
[...mucha deletia...]
:
: 8. You may find it helpful to read "Drawing on the Right", a book whose
: author I never can remember. It's commonly availble in bookstores,
: and maybe libraries. I think there is a sequel now, too, as well as
: various imitators. I thought it was a great book, although I only read 3
: or 4 chapters.
The book is "Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain", and I believe the
author is Betty Edwards. Any reasonabley large bookstore should stock
it, and many small bookstores will if they have a good art section. We
used it in the first drawing class I took. I recommend it very, very
highly. BTW, you don't have to be taking classes or working in a group
to benefit from it.
Regards,
Max J.
mwje...@seldon.cs.twsu.edu
C. Sanjayan Rosenmund
: >>Just my $.02.
: Bare hugs :>
:
: Sanjay
:
:
: Sounded more like a Growl at the beach to me. :)
:
: Someone, I believe, was drawing on the knowledge of those who do
: draw...nude...or at the beach...or both.
:
: Are you a draw-er or a draw-ee ?
:
:
Draw-ee if asked first, Ilike to know why someone is looking so intently
at me. :)
The only "growl" involved was about how the thread strayed so far from
the topic of this group. There are groups dedicated to the discussion
of drawing (there MUST be). Try searching for "draw" ( / in tin). There
are over 9000 gorups on *this* server and I'm sure that's not all of them!
The original poster asked a valid question and the responses went *way*
into left field!
Obnude:
I'd like to take my vacation at a nudist resort but I have nothing to wear!
<g>
Bare Hugs
Sanjay