Re: Genital piercings through Jeff's Brain......
Marsketa
focused". It means you are not focusing on genitals or andy adornment
hanging off them.
If asked by a child about such genital piercings i would simply say
that some people liked to wear jewalry in all sorts of places and that
would be all one need say. The child would not form any sexual
inference from the genital piecings.
Marsketa
Marsketa
their own business! Perhaps you should be minding your own business.
Marsketa
Marsketa
your business.
Your thinking is very imature.
Marsketa
Jeff Jenson
Marsketa wrote:
> Whether somebody does anything for sexual reasons or not is not any of
> your business.
It is when it sexualizes the nudist club environment.
Jeff Jenson
It goes against the nudist philosophy "clothed as nature intended". It
goes against the claimed reason that people go nude (because they like
the unrestricted feeling of having absolutely nothing on).
Jeff Jenson
Perhaps they shouldn't be going to a nudist club where they would be
showing their jewelry off.
samo...@yahoo.com
Jeff Jenson wrote:
> Mark wrote:
> > "Jeff Jenson" <jeffjenson...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:1126892836....@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> >
> > >> > YES SHE DID.
> > >>
> > >> NO SHE DIDN'T.
> > >>
> > >> > She said that most places don't consider genital piercings
> > >> > a problem. Therefore they are becoming less family friendly as genital
> > >> > piercings are all about showing off your sex organs.
> > >>
> > >> THAT is YOUR opinion, and what Jenny SAID is that it is becoming a
> > >> non-problem in FAMILY nudist venues. WHAT PART OF THAT DIDN'T YOU
> > >> UNDERSTAND???
> > >
> > > So you are saying that Jenny was saying that fewer people are trying to
> > > go to Family Nudist venues with Genital Piercings?
> >
> > Jenny's words were VERY clear, and so were MINE. IT HAS LARGELY BECOME A
> > NONISSUE. Nudist resorts are choosing to ignore people with the
> > piercings........NOTHING was said or implied that fewer people, etc, etc,
> > etc.
>
> That is what I orginally said she said and you said I was wrong. By
> ignoring the problem of genital piercings it is making the resort more
> "adult" (sex) focused and less family friendly. It would be dangerous
> for a child to go to such a place.
Are these like his favorite topics Children, Genitals and SEX?!
Sammy
Mark
<samo...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> Jeff Jenson wrote:
> Are these like his favorite topics Children, Genitals and SEX?!
>
> Sammy
>
And avoiding VERY simple question(s).....
samo...@yahoo.com
I kind of wonder with all of his talk about Children, Genitals and Sex.
Does he have any children and if so..........?
Sammy
-T.
<jeffjenson...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Are you opposed to ear rings, wedding rings, toe rings, etc?
-T.
When the man said alcohol, tobacco and firearms, I just assumed he was making a delivery.
Marsketa
take them out just because people like you are intollerant of
individuality?
There is a piece of body jewelry that some nudists wear at nudist
venues that may suggest sexual activity but I don't think anyone would
say it stopped a nudist venue from being family friendly:-
It is called a wedding ring!
If you say that wearing a wedding ring does not necessarily suggest
sexual activity then I will ans\wer back that nor does wearing genital
jewelry necessarily suggest sexual activity. What people do in privat
is their own business.
Marsketa (who doesn't have any body jewelry)
Marsketa
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No Jeff, it is you who is trying to sexualise the nudist club
environment by innuendo.
Marsketa
Marsketa
for a child to go to such a place.
By this are you now implying that people with genital piercings are
Paedophiles because this just isn't the case! To a child the question
"Why does that man have jewelry in his penis?" is no different from
"why does that lady have jewelry in her belly button?" Children don't
make the wrong assumptions about sex and Piecing that you do Jeff.
Marsketa
Marsketa
devout Catholic, was married and separated but not divorced. He was a
good father to his many kids. He told me that when he found his sexual
urges towards women getting too great he would pierce his genitals
instead (like priests and flagilation). His piercings were about not
having sex and any woman seeing so much hardware would be instantly
afraid to have sex with him anyway! Everyone has their own individual
reasons for what they do. We are individuals not clones!
Marsketa
Jeff Jenson
Sure they are paedophiles. Sex consumes their lives. They probably
would have sex with anyone and anything.
How can any man think of piercing their penis? I mean any sane man.
OWW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Jeff Jenson
But again, why jewelry on sexual organs. It shows their sexual mindset.
They are pervs by definition!
Marsketa
would have sex with anyone and anything.
You have no proof of this statement because it is NOT TRUE!
Marsketa
Marsketa
belly button ring, I should not be going to a nudists club where I
would be showing the jewellry off? Is that what you are saying?
Marsketa
Jeff Jenson
Well I assume you would want to take most of your jewelry off since if
you are wearing jewelry you are not nude (at least not entirely nude).
You are not getting the full effect of experiencing the air, the wind,
the water, and all the other reasons nudists give for being naked.
But irregardless of that, the importance is where you have the jewelry.
Those who wear jewerly on their sexual parts are perverts and I
wouldn't think that nudists would want to have perverts at their
resort.
They would be perverts even if you didn't know they were wearing
jewerly on their sexual parts (ie. a textile situation). Nudists have
the advantage right away of knowing that they are pervs because nudists
can see their perv jewerly. Not all pervs wear genital jewelry of
course but all of the people who wear gential jewelry are pervs so at
least you can automatically keep at least a segment of the perv
population out and make it at least that more safer for children.
Nudist resorts who don't want to keep people who are wearing genital
piercings out want to sexualize their clubs, at least a bit. Perhaps
they feel by having the clubs more sexualized it will draw in more
people.
-T.
<jeffjenson...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Sexual organs are no more, nor any less, appropriate for adornment
than any other portion of the anatomy. That you are hung up on such
adornment is your baggage. You are the one who is sexualizing the
issue. And while you are welcome to determine such for your life and
body, others have the right to determine such for theirs, WITHOUT any
interference from you.
Jeff Jenson
The place they put the jewelry obviously indicates they are obssessed
with sex. Probably BDSM as I am sure the piercings caused pain (with I
guess they seem to get off on).
Jeff Jenson
Marsketa wrote:
> But if you have body jewelry for personal reasons are you supposed to
> take them out just because people like you are intollerant of
> individuality?
> There is a piece of body jewelry that some nudists wear at nudist
> venues that may suggest sexual activity but I don't think anyone would
> say it stopped a nudist venue from being family friendly:-
> It is called a wedding ring!
> If you say that wearing a wedding ring does not necessarily suggest
> sexual activity then I will ans\wer back that nor does wearing genital
> is their own business.
> Marsketa (who doesn't have any body jewelry)
But it's wear they put the jewelry that indicates their sexual
obession. And by wearing it at the nudist resort it sexualizes the
environment and makes it unwelcome for children.
It's their own business until they bring it into the resort.
And again, only pervs would wear jewelry in such places and pierce
themselves there. So why ignore the obvious?
Unless you want pervs in your resort.
Mark
>
> Marsketa wrote:
>> So Jeff, if I am wearing jewelry, say rings, bracelets, neclaces and a
>> belly button ring, I should not be going to a nudists club where I
>> would be showing the jewellry off? Is that what you are saying?
>> Marsketa
>
> Well I assume you would want to take most of your jewelry off since if
> you are wearing jewelry you are not nude (at least not entirely nude).
> You are not getting the full effect of experiencing the air, the wind,
> the water, and all the other reasons nudists give for being naked.
Yup, those belly button rings are something else.
1) They are all-covering--one could go out in public wearing nothing but a
belly button ring and be considered fully dressed by people on the street
and local authorities.
2) I'm going out and get a belly button piercing today. It gets SO windy
sometimes at Haulover, and I hate staking out those windbreaks in the
blowing sand. One belly button button ring should adequately block all wind.
3) And think of the money I'll save not having to buy a wet suit--my trusty
ol' bellybutton ring will keep the "full effects" of water off my body.
>
> But irregardless of that, the importance is where you have the jewelry.
"Irregardless" is not generally used by educated people--"regardless" is the
grammatically 'correct' word. Irregardless is generally used by rednecks
living in trailer parks, wearing white *T-shirts (* that indicates they beat
their wives).
How does YOUR nudist resort view body jewelry Jeff? (What was its name
again???)
Lisa
> The place they put the jewelry obviously indicates they are obssessed
> with sex.
I'm confused. Does that mean people who pierce their noses are obsessed with
snot?
Jeff Jenson
Perhaps.
I really have never got the whole pierce your nose thing.
But piercing sexual organs and piercing other parts of the body are two
different things. They have to go to someone and show off their sexual
parts and experience the pain of having their sexual parts pierced.
Must be a BDSM thing.
Jeff Jenson
But what you said proves that it IS about sex. It is about the pain of
the genitals. It's all a BDSM thing.
It might not be about "having sex" but it is about his sexual urges.
Jeff Jenson
Mark wrote:
> "Jeff Jenson" <jeffjenson...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1127443159....@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
> >
> > Marsketa wrote:
> >> So Jeff, if I am wearing jewelry, say rings, bracelets, neclaces and a
> >> belly button ring, I should not be going to a nudists club where I
> >> would be showing the jewellry off? Is that what you are saying?
> >> Marsketa
> >
> > Well I assume you would want to take most of your jewelry off since if
> > you are wearing jewelry you are not nude (at least not entirely nude).
> > You are not getting the full effect of experiencing the air, the wind,
> > the water, and all the other reasons nudists give for being naked.
>
> Yup, those belly button rings are something else.
> 1) They are all-covering--one could go out in public wearing nothing but a
> belly button ring and be considered fully dressed by people on the street
> and local authorities.
>
> 2) I'm going out and get a belly button piercing today. It gets SO windy
> sometimes at Haulover, and I hate staking out those windbreaks in the
> blowing sand. One belly button button ring should adequately block all wind.
>
> 3) And think of the money I'll save not having to buy a wet suit--my trusty
> ol' bellybutton ring will keep the "full effects" of water off my body.
>
That is why I said not entirely nude. You would be nude by all the
legal standards but you will still be "clothed" in the sense that you
wouldn't be able to experience having nothing on. You are not getting
the full effect of experiencing the air on the bare sking, the wind the
water, and all the other reasons nudists give for being naked.
You wouldn't be as God made you.
El Dorado Hot Springs
Hi,
"Marsketa" <anita...@bigpond.com> wrote in message
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> If asked by a child about such genital piercings i would simply say
> that some people liked to wear jewalry in all sorts of places and that
> would be all one need say. The child would not form any sexual
> inference from the genital piecings.
Exactly correct. Good post.
Bill
El Dorado Hot Springs
Dear T,
"-T." <stinson...@charter.net> wrote in message
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> On 20 Sep 2005 08:00:40 -0700, "Jeff Jenson"
> <jeffjenson...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>Perhaps they shouldn't be going to a nudist club where they would be
>>showing their jewelry off.
>
> Are you opposed to ear rings, wedding rings, toe rings, etc?
Perhaps.
But it's obviously another genital obsesses non nudist.
Bill
Mark
>
> That is why I said not entirely nude. You would be nude by all the
> legal standards but you will still be "clothed" in the sense that you
> wouldn't be able to experience having nothing on. You are not getting
> the full effect of experiencing the air on the bare sking, the wind the
> water, and all the other reasons nudists give for being naked.
>
> You wouldn't be as God made you.
>
You sure as HELL aren't the way god made YOU......thank goodness he didn't
make everyone idiotic and inane like he did you.
Marsketa
You guess and assume a lot which is incorrect!
And having a genital piercing does NOT sexualise a club nor does it
make a club dangerous for children. GET A LIFE YOU MORON!
Marsketa
Marsketa
WHY must it? Only in your perverted mind!
Marsketa
Marsketa
ever that is then what business is it of anyone else? They could be a t
a club and nobody would even know what they were in sexually. It
doesn't necessarily affect anyone else in that club. Personally the
only sexual activity of others I would be against is any that is not
with a concentual adult in private. Who really cares what other people
are into sexually?
Marsketa
Marsketa
either!
Marsketa
Asmodeus
> I really have never got the whole pierce your nose thing
I got into it with Boortz once. He has a thing about tattoos and
piercing. I think he takes it too far, and I called him on it.
I have piercings, and I have plenty of tattoos--one full sleeve,
as a matter of fact, and I'm about halfway done on the other.
But I don't, and never will have, a tattoo that can't be covered
up. The first thing I say when I sit in the chair is no ink that
can't be covered. I did manage to get Boortz to admit that there
was a difference--though he still has a thing about ink.
On people who get tattoos that can't be covered, Boortz is right.
They're idiots. Self-absorbed, the world revolves around me and
you're a bigot if you don't give me a job with all these tattoos
all over my neck and the backs of my hands idiots.
There are exceptions: people who are going to be tattoo artists,
people whose job skills are in such demand that it won't make
any difference, and people who live in those few places where
it doesn't matter.
And the same holds for body piercings.
As many tattoos and piercings as I have, if somebody came to
my office with tattoos on his neck or scalp or the backs of
his hands, or rings in his nose or tongue, I wouldn't even
give him a job interview. That "I can do anything I want to
my body and if you don't like it go get fucked" attitude
demonstrates that someone holds scorn for others, expects
to be given special consideration, and has no regard for the
conventions of the workplace.
If you take your nose jewelry out when you go to work, then
that's great. Good for you. But that's the difference between
ink and piercings; you can remove jewelry.
--
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Asmodeus
> But what you said proves that it IS about sex. It is about the
> pain of the genitals. It's all a BDSM thing
Depends. Getting a PA doesn't hurt nearly as much as you may
think, since there's very little that's pierced. Ditto for
tit piercings.
nude...@hotmail.com
clothing? Per the
Merriam-Webster Dictionary (see below) , nude refers to the undraped
body....not the lack of jewelry!
Anyway, WHO CARES??
Main Entry: 1nude
Pronunciation: 'nüd, 'nyüd
Function: adjective
Inflected Form(s): nud·er; nud·est
Etymology: Latin nudus naked -- more at NAKED
1 : lacking something essential especially to legal validity <a nude
contract>
2 a : devoid of a natural or conventional covering; especially : not
covered by clothing or a drape b (1) : of the color of a white
person's flesh (2) : giving the appearance of nudity <a nude dress> c
: featuring nudes <a nude movie> d : frequented by naked people <a
nude beach>
synonym see BARE
- nude adverb
- nude·ly adverb
- nude·ness noun
- nu·di·ty /'nü-d&-tE, 'nyü-/ noun
On 22 Sep 2005 19:39:19 -0700, "Jeff Jenson"
BOZ FRUM OZ
Charles Hartjes wrote:
> Has anyone noticed that nudist resorts are severely limiting people with
> genital piercings? Some have outright bans, and others have "management
> discretion." Does mean that they have genital inspections? And what is the
> criteria? Do they bring out a yardstick? I really fear that we are losing
> our nudist freedom.
>
> Or is this class distinction? The high priced resorts could care less
> whereas the lower priced resorts succomb to "family values." I am not very
> happy with this situation. Discussion encouraged.
W
hat a load of BOLLUX !..I have an 18K PA and Guiche.
I have never been chastised at Werrong! OR CLUBS...
Some asked "did they hurt??" to whitch i give the standard BIG
lie...."no,
not hardly at all.
What about at gals with TATTS on their Tushies ! !!....SILLY !
Clan_MacKay
qquito wrote:
> But non-nudists could argue that ONLY pervs would go to a nudist
> colony.
>
Excuse me but the term "Colony" went out of use about 20-30 years ago I
believe.
Clan MacKay
"Life is Short, Play Naked!"
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> Jeff Jenson wrote:
> > Marsketa wrote:
> > .....
Marsketa
go to resorts and clubs and camps and venues but COLONIES no longer
exist!
Marsketa
Violet Tigress
Asmodeus <bondcATrightwingnationDOTcom> wrote:
Getting a PA doesn't hurt nearly as much as you may
> think, since there's very little that's pierced. Ditto for
> tit piercings.
**********
Imagine any of those piercings getting infected...
Asmodeus
2B56C3.231...@news.isp.giganews.com:
> Imagine any of those piercings getting infected...
Well sure, but that's a different issue altogether, isn't it?
Marsketa
genital piercings.
Jeff a lot of nudists have genital piercings.
It goes against all the reasons they CLAIM they go
nude for.
No it just goes against the reasons you CLAIM they go nude for. Nudism
is a FREEDOM thing. if you can't be free to wear what you want and be
yourself then that isn't what we are about either. It's about freedom
to choose what is comfortable.
Genital Piercings are for people who want to emphasize their sexual
organs. For those people nudity is about sex.
OK. I'm going to introduce something else here- Circumcision in men.
Now a fair proportion of the American male population are circumcised
(for non religios reasons) which goes against world trends. Now a
country like America should have sufficient hygine for this not to be
necessary. BUT most young men who are circumcised are done so for
sexual reasons. (To prevent masterbation, so that their penis looks
bigger, so that their penis looks like their father's brother's and
friends penises, American women prefer circumcised penises and WON"T
fuck a non circumcised man!) So I am going to apply your reasoning
about genital piercings to circumcised men. So circumcision is mostly
for sexual reasons therefore for a circumcised male to go nude at a
club sexualises that club , makes it less family friendly and
unsuitable for children because all circumcised men are perverts
because circumcision is all about sex. And my guess Jeff is that you
are circumcised therefore that is about sex and you are a pervert and
you shouldn't go nude in a nudist club where your circumcision could
sexualise that club and make it unsuitable for children (I trust that
people on this site will be intelligent enough to realise that I am
being sarcastic here to make a point of how rediculous and non logical
anything that Jeff say is and am not being at all serious)
Nude means nude. It doesn't mean showing off sexual organs. Sure you
can see the sexual organs but nudists are supposed to see beyond that
and not make any particular notice of them.
Yes and that is why we don't take any notice of any genital piercings
and adornment of genitals either!
Quite frankly people who would pierce their sexual organs are real
sicko perverts.
You have absolutely no proof to substanciate such a rediculous claim!
What is with piercing sexual organs? Do they enjoy the
pain of having it done? Is it some BDSM thing? I would think it would
feel very strange and unnatural.
Isn't this somthing for them to know and you to mind your own business
about?
Is it for looks? But who is going to
see it? Of course at a nudist resort nudists would see it but again,
nudism isn't supposed to be about showing off your sex organs.
Have you ever thought that it might be to improve their sex life with
their partner? So nothing perverted about that is there? And it still
is none of your business!
If a nudist resort allowed in people with genital piercings it would be
a sign that the resort was moving away from "family friendly" and into
"swingers" terrority.
No it would not! Because having genital piercings is not necessarily
restricted to swingers.
It would prove to me that it was no longer a true
nudist resort.
It might suggest this to YOU but it would suggest nothing of the sort
to any other reasonable person and ity would prove NOTHING to nobody!
Marsketa
Clan_MacKay
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Richard C. wrote:
> X-No-archive: yes
>
> "Jeff Jenson" <jeffjenson...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1127228257.3...@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
> >
> > Marsketa wrote:
> >> Not focusing on genital piercings does not make a resort "adult
> >> focused". It means you are not focusing on genitals or andy adornment
> >> hanging off them.
> >> If asked by a child about such genital piercings i would simply say
> >> that some people liked to wear jewalry in all sorts of places and that
> >> would be all one need say. The child would not form any sexual
> >> inference from the genital piecings.
> >> Marsketa
> >
> > It goes against the nudist philosophy "clothed as nature intended". It
> > goes against the claimed reason that people go nude (because they like
> > the unrestricted feeling of having absolutely nothing on).
> >
> ================================
> You are so full of shit!
Jeff Jenson
Richard C. wrote:
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>
> news:FbhXe.203$oc...@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net...
> >
> >>Charles Hartjes wrote:
> >
> >> Has anyone noticed that nudist resorts are severely limiting people with
> >> genital piercings? Some have outright bans, and others have "management
> >> discretion."
> >
> > regarding body jewelry.
> >
> > In Hot Water,
> > Camilla & Bill
> >
> ==============================
> FS membership just this August voted overwhelmingly to ignore the "problem".
What's FS? Some nudist camp? If that is the case it shows that the
club is getting less family friendly and is trying to pull in more of
the swinger element.
Clan_MacKay
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Richard C. wrote:
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>
-T.
<jeffjenson...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Based on your extensive experience at nudist resorts? What exactly do
you base your opinion on?
-T.
When the man said alcohol, tobacco and firearms, I just assumed he was making a delivery.
Dario Western
Hi Marsketa,
There are a couple of men I know at Pacific Sun Friends (including one
member of the Brisbane Forum club) who have some kind of adornment on their
genitals, though I have not asked them about it.
The venues have not sought to exclude them from their activities, and they
don't go around drawing undue attention to either the jewelry or themselves.
Dario Western
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Jeff Jenson
Of course not. They are real sick and should be removed from the
priesthood.
Jeff Jenson
Richard C. wrote:
> ============================================
> http://www.fraternitysnoqualmie.com/
> I am extremely active in NOT allowing the swinger element to use the club
> for activities nor recruitment into the "lifestyle".
> I have no problems with tatoos, peircings, eyeglasses, sandles, nor the
> biggest
> disfigurement of all: tan lines!
>
> ==================================
So you are saying that there is an effort within your club to use the
club for activities and recruitment into the "lifestyle" which you are
fighting against!
Jeff Jenson
Richard C. wrote:
> X-No-archive: yes
>
> >
> >> ==============================
> >> FS membership just this August voted overwhelmingly to ignore the
> >> "problem".
> >
> > What's FS? Some nudist camp? If that is the case it shows that the
> > club is getting less family friendly and is trying to pull in more of
> > the swinger element.
> >
> http://www.fraternitysnoqualmie.com/
> I am extremely active in NOT allowing the swinger element to use the club
> for activities nor recruitment into the "lifestyle".
> I have no problems with tatoos, peircings, eyeglasses, sandles, nor the
> biggest
> disfigurement of all: tan lines!
How about marks made by recent BDSM play?
jon...@webtv.net
club for activities nor recruitment into the "lifestyle". I have no
problems with tatoos, peircings, eyeglasses, sandles, nor the biggest
disfigurement of all: tan lines!
is ....parents if you are not prepared to be vigilant and active in
disallowing perverted swingers and pedos to the nudist lifestyle....then
it is not for you....right....but OTOH ....genital piercings are
OK....just explain to the kiddies that is part of nudism.....to pierce
the clit and dick...and if they want to know more about why and how come
...let the kiddies come to you and you can explain it in more
detail.......do you suggest an alternative such as.....pets ...golf...or
mountain biking as a hobby with less perverted sex to contend
with.....especially for the kiddies......you also should learn to spell
tattoos and piercings.......jonZeee
Jeff Jenson
Richard C. wrote:
> X-No-archive: yes
>
> news:1127786285....@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> >
> >> FS membership just this August voted overwhelmingly to ignore the
> >> "problem".
> >
> > What's FS? Some nudist camp? If that is the case it shows that the
> > club is getting less family friendly and is trying to pull in more of
> > the swinger element.
> >
> http://www.fraternitysnoqualmie.com/
> I am extremely active in NOT allowing the swinger element to use the club
> for activities nor recruitment into the "lifestyle".
> I have no problems with tatoos, peircings, eyeglasses, sandles, nor the
> biggest
> disfigurement of all: tan lines!
Well Eyeglasses are understandable as people need them to read. I have
always said exceptions can be made for medical reasons. Also I believe
that children should be allowed to go into the pool with swimming suits
if they want to. They don't really have a choice whether to be there
or not so they shouldn't be forced to feel uncomfortable if they don't
want to get nude (I am specifically thinking about teens as that is
when they may become uncomfortable being nude). If you say "well the
children are the more confortable with nudity than the adults" then
good they won't want to wear swimming suits. But if they do want to
wear swimming suits they should be allowed to. Remember I am only
talking about the children here, for the adults the swimming pool
should always be nude only.
Mary and Tom
Mr. Jenson I'm not sure what you are talking about here I have not seen
any children at the places my brother and I have gone to who wanted to
wear swimsuits in the pool.
I am a teenaged girl for your information and I haven't felt
uncomfortable at any time, I do think though that if all the adults
were naked in the pool and the children weren't I would be more
uncomfortable.
Mary
One-Eyed Willy
I would never make the kids wear swimsuits, they are at a nudist resort
they should be naked.
They should be naked all the time.
-T.
<jeffjenson...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>How about marks made by recent BDSM play?
And how the hell would you determine that?????
Marsketa
by recent BDSM play!
Marsketa
Marsketa
children who would go clothed even in the pool and they would be
harrassing other children who chose to go nude. They also harrassed the
adults who chose to go nude. The committe had lots of complaints and
decided to make it a rule that eveyone in the pool must be nude. If you
didn't want to go nude then no swimming in the pool. This solved the
problem and these children soon chose to go nude so they could swim in
the pool and there was no more harrassment after that.
Marsketa
jon...@webtv.net
is an adult troll and you are either a liar or a blind idiot.....i lived
through the various era s of nudisms plight to provoke everyone to be
nude in nudist clubs...and your BS is not going to fly here....i was
friends with many owners of clubs and there was a growing problem with
over 12 kids not wanting to go nude....so management decided to enforce
a rule of everyone nude in the pool ....knowing that these kids would
pay the price to go swimming....but most all of them came out of the
pool and put their clothes back on.......and there was
zero...zip...harrassment...none....you are a liar....kids not wanting to
go nude was a minority by being clothed but they were not harrassing
anyone...they did not want to be there and it was boring......now let
the planet be back in motion.....jonZeee
Mental_Monster
By "children" what age range are you talking about?
I would judge that it probably wasn't the very young.
MM
Mental_Monster
More CrapZee BULLSHIT!!!
Nuff said.
Jeff Jenson
I would probably give children the option to wear a swimming suit up
until 16. You are right about it would probably not be an issue with
most of the very young. Would be more of an issue when they hit 11 or
so and are trying to find their own identity.
I wouldn't punish these children for not going nude by not allowing
them the joy of swimming.
As for the children you are talking about, if they are harrassing then
they should be booted from the club.
Jeff Jenson
jon...@webtv.net wrote:
> friends with many owners of clubs and there was a growing problem with
> over 12 kids not wanting to go nude....so management decided to enforce
> a rule of everyone nude in the pool ....knowing that these kids would
> pay the price to go swimming....but most all of them came out of the
> pool and put their clothes back on.......and there was
> zero...zip...harrassment...none....you
See that is the situation I want to avoid.
Children don't really have a choice to be there or not.
Of course adults should be required to swim in the nude. After all, if
you don't want to be nude, what the heck are you there for?
But children, well that is a different story. They are forming their
own identity which may not include nudism. They must go where their
family goes (or stay home which would cause conflict and isn't fun). I
just don't want to force them (by taking away the fun of swimming) to
be nude when that might not be something they want to do.
Jeff Jenson
>
> > Well Eyeglasses are understandable as people need them to read. I have
> > always said exceptions can be made for medical reasons. Also I believe
> > that children should be allowed to go into the pool with swimming suits
> > if they want to.
> They should not! It would no longer be "nudist".
> Besides, kids WANT to be "nekkid".
> =========================
>
So to be "nudist" you have to have naked children in the pool? Even
though everyone else would be nude.
And if the kid wants to be naked, no problem. I said this should be an
OPTION, not that they have to do it.
It should be an option for those who have become uncomfortable being
nude. Those who haven't then of course they would stay nude.
jon...@webtv.net
to the system and stops up the filters....but i told the kids the truth
that they were trying to get everybody to go nude.....and the lint thing
was only a song and dance .....so most of those kids quit coming to camp
and that solved the problem.....so much for C/O....huh....however there
is no good reason for anyone to be at a nudist facility that does not
want to be there....so when kids are reluctant to be nude....then that
is the time to allow the children to have other interest
respected......by the parents...jz
Floyd Baker
Are you kidding?
That's why there are parents jonzee... To tell the kids they need to
do things they don't 'want' to do... Like eat spinach and wash
behind their ears, and grow up to be well adjusted. Stuff like that!
BS on this 'let the kids do as they wish'.. No wonder the country is
falling apart...
Floyd
Please visit my website at www.cheef.com/buffaloskin/
* Learn about the lifestyle *
jon...@webtv.net
falling apart...
Floyd
Please visit my website at www.cheef.com/buffaloskin
course......but nudist parents are not in a position to bully the kids
into something pertaining to nudism.....a nice family i knew had three
daughters and the oldest one 15 wanted to stay at home in plano tx where
there is lots of things to do for kids....so she got pregnant by an
older guy at camp and they had to leave then......others have threatened
to tell their teachers at school and on and on....you get the
picture.....jonZeee
Jeff Jenson
Not do as they wish on everything.
But you feel it is ok to force children to get naked?
Jeff Jenson
> Our park is nudist.........not "clothing optional".
> All water use must be in the nude.
> As it shold be.
I have no problem with that. I believe that is how it should be. If you
go to a nudist resort you should obviously plan to be nude. I can't
understand why someone would go to a nudist resort and not get nude
(unless they are a first timer and decide while they are there that it
isn't for them). I go to nudist clubs specifically to swim nude and
would feel very uncomfortable if a great percentage of people swimming
had swimming suits on. I absolutely don't believe in a
clothing-optional swimming pool. The rule should be if you want to use
the facilities, you use them nude.
Except when it comes to the children as they have very little choice in
where their parents take them. If they feel uncomfortable being nude
they shouldn't be forced to be nude, and they shouldn't be punished for
not being nude by not being allowed to go swimming.
Again, we are only talking about the children here. And we aren't even
talking about all children. Just the ones who don't want to go around
nude.
Are you that uncertain about their nudist upbringing "sticking" with
them that you wouldn't even give them a choice? Do you really think
that many children who have grown up around nudism would want to wear a
swimming suit if given a choice?
If that is true then there is a real problem with family friendly
nudism if you have to force children to be nude (by saying to them that
they can't go swimming).
Marsketa
For a start these kids were harrassing others who had decided to go
nude. Their behaviour was not acceptable. The "No clothes in the pool"
rule is good because they have a choice. They are there with their
parents at the retreat but nobody is forcing them to go swimming. There
are other fun things they can do. If they choose to go swimming then
they must also choose to obey the no clothes rule. Nobody forced themto
wear clothesat the retreat. But they were stopped from harrassing
others who chose to wear no clothes at the retreat.
And Jonz, unlike you I do not lie about what I see at a nudist retreat.
Marsketa
Marsketa
with JonZ. I must be slipping! LOL
Marsketa
Floyd Baker
Parents aren't then in a position to bully the kids into religion then
either. Keep those kids away from being abused, brainwashed,
uneducated and superstitious all their life... I know a person who
has had major problems from the RRR upbringing she was brought up in.
She's written a book about it... It's terrible what havoc that stuff
wreaks...
As for the girl who got pregnant by one guy in Plano nudist park...
She wanted to stay home while her parents went to camp??? Hahaha...
Her kid would have had 5 fathers had they let her party like that...
Are you kidding? Hahaha...
As for threatening to tell the teachers... Let them! You get the
picture?
Jonz.... Do you *try* to give me all these opportunities to state all
these obvious truths to the lurkers. They are so clear cut and
logical, for anyone who knows teenagers, that we both know who they'll
believe. Thank you for that... :-)
Floyd
Please visit my website at www.cheef.com/buffaloskin/
Marsketa
children through harrassment intotheir gang as well. They were making
fun of guests who were fat and making remarks about the size of male
genitals. The managers spoke to the parents who would do nothing.
Eventually when the "no clothes in the pool" rule was enforced the
ringleaders and their parents left.
Personally I don't like swimming nude in a pool where others have been
wearing clothes. They bring in all sorts of chemicals that their
clothes have been washed in into the pool.
Marsketa
jon...@webtv.net
up....the world cooperate headquarters for large companies are located
there now.....and about twenty years ago...those u hauls from ny nj pa
and new england started showing up and i knew things was gonna start
happening...they had been transferred from your area.....well one of the
first things they did was construct olympic size public indoor swimming
pools plus gyms and game room at these locations and they are open year
a round for all to attend....admission a dollar i think.....i went there
a coupe of times and i was in the mens shower room and this guy was
taking a shower in the open and some boys walked in with one ten or
eleven year old girl and she sure paid alot of attention to that guy
taking a shower....and i thought....hey these yankees are gettin this
crotch exposing to the kids right where i grew up......he he....well my
old buddy called me and i asked him if he still lived in plano and he
said.....hell no i moved back to mckinney.....i had to move up north to
get away from the yankees..he he...anyhow Floyd these kids know more
about everything than adults....they know about the CPS and all the fuss
that goes on at the school systems regarding kids and nudism....and then
you factor in the bias against nudism plus the concocted story a kid can
tell about all those perverts at camp....you got big time
problems...those parents were educated yankees and fled the camp to
avoid any problems....probably was the smart thing to do....that kid got
an abortion and we never heard of them again.....jonZeee
Jeff Jenson
Marsketa wrote:
> Jeff,
> For a start these kids were harrassing others who had decided to go
> nude. Their behaviour was not acceptable. The "No clothes in the pool"
> rule is good because they have a choice. They are there with their
> parents at the retreat but nobody is forcing them to go swimming.
But swimming is fun. For them not to be able to go swimming because
they don't want to be nude seems like punishment. Again, unlike
adults, they had little choice whether or not to go to a nudist camp
instead of a texile camp.
If, as nudists say, most children who grow up nudists stay nudists,
then this shouldn't be much of a problem anyway since the vast majority
of children would I would assume choose the no swimming suit option.
But for those who are becoming uncomforable with being nude (which most
nudists claim would be hardly any children who were raised as nudists)
they would be able to participate and not be left out.
By the way, read this link.
http://alumnisandstorm.com/htm2005/2005-04-Apr.htm
To: Patti Mathis Wheeler ('60) and Ray Wells ('54)
To the relief of many, this is my last entry on this subject. I
have already received several e-mails from fellow Bombers... including
one saying I ruined my sister's reputation... after 45 years. Give me
a break! If anyone is interested in further commenting, we can discuss
via e-mail.
Ray is right. We did not have a choice to go to the nudist camp
which brings up an important point. Once I reached 7 or 8 years old, I
hated going to "camp." For me, to be forced to go nude in public was
an infringement on my personal privacy and boundaries. Although there
was no inappropriate touching, I now consider it to be a form of
sexual abuse. I'm certainly not saying one shoe fits all, but I hope
parents would take the child into consideration when they choose an
activity that may be detrimental to the child's development. Yes
Patti, it was pretty boring. As a young man, when I told my male
friends about my nudist experience, they thought I died and gone to
heaven!
-Mike Brady ('61)
Mental_Monster
Come on JJ at least get a quote from somebody believable.
I haven't seen too many 7 or 8 yearolds that would keep their clothes
on if given half a chance.
MM
Jeff Jenson
Mental_Monster wrote:
> Come on JJ at least get a quote from somebody believable.
> I haven't seen too many 7 or 8 yearolds that would keep their clothes
> on if given half a chance.
http://forums.dealofday.com/showthread.php?t=80107
In high school, I had a friend whose parents were nudists and they
dragged the whole family off to a nudist camp often. She told me it was
embarrassing! She said she could never have a serious conversation with
anyone and there were several people who were disguisting to see in the
nude! And needless to say, she was never allowed friends in her house!
Gee.... I wonder why? Her parents always kept their blinds/curtains
closed and answered the door in a bathrobe!
Mental_Monster
Hey JJ I answer the door in a bathrobe or pareneu (sp?) what's wrong
with that?
I grew up in a nudist family and none of us had a problem with it.
Either this girl you knew is another fantasy or she was as insecure as
you are.
P.S. When are you going to resurrect one of your other names?
Just curious.
MM
Jeff Jenson
Mental_Monster wrote:
> Jeff Jenson wrote:
>
>
> Come on JJ at least get a quote from somebody believable.
> I haven't seen too many 7 or 8 yearolds that would keep their clothes
> on if given half a chance.
>
> MM
http://www.sunsationsnudist.com/InTheNews.html
the camp, pubescent children covered themselves more often than older
boys and girls - though even the pubescent children were nude most of
the time. The campers were never required to be naked, but most nudist
resorts mandate nudity in pool areas. That can be difficult for some
kids. A 15-year-old girl from Texas who has been a nudist since age 3
says she only rarely felt awkward during puberty. But when she did,
she didn't always want to be naked - even though her club requires
nudity unless it's cold or you have a sunburn. "I found a loophole in
the rule," she says proudly. "They won't stop us from wearing a towel.
So I would just wrap that around myself." But should kids have to find
loopholes to feel comfortable? "Yes, there's a coercion of sorts with
the pool," admits Dean Hadley, 55, who owns the Cypress Cove resort.
Jeff Jenson
Mental_Monster wrote:
> Jeff Jenson wrote:
>
>
> I haven't seen too many 7 or 8 yearolds that would keep their clothes
> on if given half a chance.
>
> MM
http://www.sunsationsnudist.com/InTheNews.html