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Here I am at 14, in the worst suit of all time. Orrin’s on the left in
the fashionable sports jacket ensemble.
It was 1974 . President Nixon was still in the White House. Hank Aaron
broke Babe Ruth’s home run record. All in the Family was the #1 TV
show.
I was in Middle School. It was The Awkward Years.
The part we all dreaded was swim class. Incredibly, all boys took
swimming classes naked, an enforced rule due to the different
standards of the time. This naked swimming practice wasn’t just in
public schools, it was widespread: in Boy Scouts, Summer Camps and
YMCAs. It was even going on in Europe and I’m sure all over the world.
The people in charge gave us the reasons to swim naked, but there was
one lingering question. Why were girls allowed to wear bathing suits
and not us?
Naked swimming did teach us about hygiene, something that seems to be
sorely lacking in today’s schools, and being comfortable in our own
skin. But did this institutionalized practice of parading adolescent
boys around naked do more harm than good?
I got invaluable help in creating this episode by several of my old
classmates who emailed me their Eyewitness Accounts.
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coaches, please post your stories and comments. Please, no names!
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111 Comments on “The Naked Swim”
1.
It’s JerryTime! » Blog Archive » NEW: THE NAKED SWIM Says:
April 25, 2007 at 25:24 pm
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2.
Shraga Says:
April 25, 2007 at 25:47 pm
Well, I’m glad that someone finally raised this issue in a
serious way. I too was subjected to the naked-swim tortures. When I
was 13, I had a hernia operation which left a bright red scar near my
private parts. It was simply something I didn’t want to be sharing
with 30 other boys. So I went to Mr. D…, our swimming instructor,
explained the situation and asked to be excused from swimming for a
few months until things healed. He said, “Aw c’mon, it can’t be that
bad. Drop your pants and let’s take a look!” So I naively did. And he
said, “Aw, it’s nothing. You are NOT excused!” So I spent the next few
months in swim class, trying to hold up various objects in front of my
private parts to protect the view. Naked swimming — it was
institutional psychosis. Thanks, Jerry, for providing this therapy
forum.
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3.
Norm Says:
April 27, 2007 at 27:34 pm
When I was in high school we had a gym teacher- He was supposed
to have been a former Mr. Universe or something, with huge arms and a
pickled face. He always carried this clipboard around, and was pretty
sadistic. He ran us miles and miles, until we dropped. As in Jerry’s
class, we too had to stand out in the cold, no matter what the season.
I remember many times having to run in the freezing, early morning
rain — all of us shivering and soaked to he bone — wearing only our T-
shirts, shorts, socks & shoes.
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4.
Savage Says:
May 1, 2007 at 01:27 am
You know the first Olympics was all naked. I guess they were
extra careful when running the relay race when handing off the baton.
It was this sort of thing we’d always joke about as kids while
at track & fields meets.
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Harold Says:
May 11, 2007 at 11:34 pm
I am 69 years old. I graduated from Eugene High School in 1955,
and that Fall I began attending the University of Oregon in Eugene. At
that time, one could NOT graduate with a degree (4 years) WITHOUT
PROOF that he or she could swim! One either took a swimming test to
prove that they could swim, or took swimming for PE one term. Now I
grew up using the neighborhood skinny dipping hole in a “backwater” of
the Willamette River, but I had never really become a good swimmer. So
the very first term in college I took swimming for PE, to get that
requirement for graduation “out of the way.” And it was required that
we swim nude. No reason was ever given. Since I had grown up skinny
dipping with the neighborhood boys and girls, I was “OK” with the nude
swimming PE class UNTIL it was time to learn to dive from the diving
board. Somehow, being up there on the diving board nude, for all to
see, made me VERY uncomfortable. Looking back, I can’t help but
“wonder” about the teacher’s hands-on
showing me how to move my legs for swimming. At any rate,
I learned how to dive from the diving board nude, and passed
the PE swimming class to prove that I could swim, and did
graduate from the University of Oregon after completing all other
requirements
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6.
Carl Isaacson Says:
May 12, 2007 at 12:34 am
It was the early to mid 1960′s at Chicago’s Albert G. Lane
Technical High School. The embarassments included bare assed swims in
a very cold pool (which proved to me that all boys are created equal,
if the temperature is cold enough.
It was an all boys high school, so we didn’t have to suffer the
fear of being surprised by teenaged girls. But it was the end of the
Brylcreme era, so we had to shower all the grease out of the hair
before we got into the pool. The gym teacher had upper class lifeguard
(who got to wear trunks) and members of the swim team at the entrance
to the pool making sure we didn’t make an oil slick in the deep end.
In addition to being obsessed with making us swim nude (Johnny
Weismueller had swum in this pool in this state some thirty years
before us and who did we think we were to object), at least one of the
gym teachers was obsessed by jock straps. He did regular checks,
pulling the waistband up from behind. It wasn’t a wedgie, it was much
more painful, as your testicles attempted to ascend back into a place
of safety and warmth.
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Jimmy CraicHead Says:
May 19, 2007 at 19:52 pm
Damn, we must be about the same age…1974 was also the year the
Ramones started, told to me by Johnny Ramone himself may he RIP!
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Cosmos Says:
May 20, 2007 at 20:10 am
Back when I was in HS we also had horrible times with swimming.
We weren’t swimming nude at all because it was co-ed gym class,
but the suits that we were forced to wear were either way too tight,
or way too loose. And appeared to be from the 40′s and a faded brown
color.
I remember we would all wind up fighting over the baggy trunks
and I actually came out in a victory getting a pair. After class when
I went to my locker to get dressed I noticed that the pull string
somehow got in a knot … and it was a seriously tough knot at that. I
spent several moments trying to get it untied in a panic not even
having enough time to towel myself off.
I was already late for my next class, and I had enough, so I
managed to grab an old key from my bag and tried to saw through the
thick rope like drawstring. Finally getting it off I threw it to the
side, got dressed, and began running to my next class that just
happened to be across the street in another building…. during winter…
and I was hardly dry.
Needless to say I was frozen stiff.
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torkeyes 24 Says:
June 21, 2007 at 21:32 pm
:P
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ray Says:
June 22, 2007 at 22:20 am
Parkland HS, 1976 Orefield,PA checking in
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July 4, 2007 at 04:47 pm
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12.
Jerry Villella Says:
August 7, 2007 at 07:47 pm
We did the naked swim at Cathedral Prep High School in Erie, PA
back in the early 70′s. The pool and the air temperature were always
very cold, as I recall. It’s an all-boys Catholic school, and they
told us we couldn’t wear trunks because we would probably leave them
in the lockers and contaminate the pool water with cumulative mold.
Funny, they didn’t have any problem doing a mass search of our regular
lockers whenever they felt like it, but making the janitor sweep
through the gym lockers after swim class was too much! They eventually
allowed trunks, some time after I graduated.
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13.
old monkey Says:
August 30, 2007 at 30:33 am
I actually prefer to swim naked.
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Rob Says:
September 11, 2007 at 11:32 pm
I live in Australia, and although I don’t remember their ever
being a culture of nudie gym class swims, as a kid I think although I
would’ve preferred not to go nude I wouldn’t have a huge problem with
it. Makes you think though, as their is probably no nationwide US gym
class instructors nude-boy watching conspiracy, they really have no
reason to enforce boys to go nude swimming.
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Mike Says:
September 18, 2007 at 18:50 am
Jerry, you brough back some painful memories. We also got
‘invaded” by the girls swim class, in their swimsuits, us bareass (and
barefront) It was humiliating to ask any of the girls on a date, since
they all had already ‘seen all of our goods” LOL…
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Mike Says:
September 19, 2007 at 19:10 am
Jerry, and lets not forget the decision of school authorities to
have doorless and or stall-less toilets in the boys bathrooms. Girls
always had locking doors, and seemed fascinated to walk into the boys
bathrooms after lunch, knowing they would catch us sitting on the
toilets relieving ourselves. Female teachers also felt they had a free
pass to walk in and ‘check for smokers” whenever they wanted. Talk
about embarrasing ……………
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17.
Jerry Says:
September 28, 2007 at 28:39 pm
Gambatte, Mike! Which is Japanese for “persevere, never give
up.” Jerry
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18.
Mike Says:
October 4, 2007 at 04:53 am
Jerry….how does that pertain to anything?
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19.
Mike Says:
October 4, 2007 at 04:54 am
LOL
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Rick S. Says:
October 10, 2007 at 10:27 pm
The Jr. High School I attended in Massachusetts (1968-1969) was
so old (1880′s) that it didn’t have a functional gymnasium. So the 8th
grade boys would take their weekly 2 hour PE class at the YMCA
gymnasium down the street.(This was pre-Title IX, so the girls could
still take their class on the playground during spring and fall and
take an indoor “health” class during the winter, as did all 7th
graders.
Every third week, after changing from our school clothes to
regulation gym shorts, T-Shirts and sneakers, and having 30 min. of
exercise in the gym, we would have an hour of swimming in the Y’s
pool. Although we had heard from older students that we would all have
to be nude for this part of our class, I can still remember being
quite surprised the first day when the teacher announced at the end of
exercise: “Go downstairs to your lockers, take off all of your
clothes, and line up at the entrance to the shower room.”
So along with 25 classmates, I stripped naked, lined up and
waited until we were told to walk beneath a running shower to rinse
off before walking down a corridor to the pool deck. We did as we were
told, and no one questioned why. To me, it kind of made sense: why go
to the trouble of bringing a bathing suit, and then have to carry it
around while wet all day, when all that inconvenience could be avoided
by going into the pool without any clothing.
It was all completely innocent. As far as I know, no one felt
uncomfortable. For a few weeks prior, we had been required to take a
group shower in an open communal shower room after gym class, so we
were already accustomed to being nude in each other’s presence. It
actually felt liberating to be able to engage in an activity without
clothing. The only uneasiness I recall had nothing to do with being
nude per se, but rather related to the fact that I had reached puberty
much earlier than almost all of my classmates, so I stood out as
different having fully grown pubic hair.
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Callista Says:
October 30, 2007 at 30:02 am
Wow. I’m suddenly glad to have been growing up in the nearer
present time. O.o When I was in school, by law the coaches couldn’t
even force us to shower since it was a communal shower – they can’t
force us to strip for any reason, unless official police strip
searchers are present. No coach would even dare to say we had to –
doing so would risk a sexual harrassment lawsuit.
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Jim Says:
November 3, 2007 at 03:26 pm
We had naked swimming in our Junior Highchool in Edina,
Minnesota. This was F**** UP, our gym teacher in this day and age
would have been put in prison for a very very long sentence. He was
truly an old pervert, who should have never been teaching gym classes
to young boys. Today, the High School pool in Edina Minnesota is named
in honor of this f***. If I saw him today, he’s already dead, I’d
punch square in the jaw and know his lights out. That F***@^&%!!!
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Anne Says:
April 29, 2010 at 29:59 pm
These nude swimming classes for boys was the dirty little
secret of American educational system. I can’t believe none of the
parents ever complained about this barbaric practice imposed on their
sons. My 2 brothers went through this ordeal and even as a kid I
thought this practice was an outrage. When they told me they had to
take swim class in the nude, I couldn’t believe it, I was shocked.
When I asked why, everyone just said that’s what was done…oh well.
This must have mentally scarred lots of young boys.
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Kevin Says:
February 27, 2011 at 27:28 am
Yes, it did.
It was 42 years ago, and I still remember it as
humiliating and degrading and I still burn with anger over those
memories.
23.
sportsbug Says:
November 20, 2007 at 20:51 am
swimming nude healthy and refreshing!!! Just gotta get used to
being nude. Will help bring your school grades up.
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FRE Says:
November 24, 2007 at 24:27 am
When I was in middle school and high school in the 1950s, we
were required to swim nude and take communal showers. The same was
true at YMCAs. At the University of MN in 1957, all new students were
required to submit to physical examinations and had to wait around
nude. At that time, a boy who was uncomfortable with being nude with
other boys was assumed to have serious mental problems. I hid the fact
that I was uncomfortable for that reason.
Nudity should be optional and there should be provision for
those who are uncomfortable with it.
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25.
freeberg Says:
December 17, 2007 at 17:07 pm
I also attended Lane H.S. in Chicago, graduating in 1971. There
was plenty of nervous tension about attending Lane knowing we were
required to swim naked. Fortunately I had pubic hair and had developed
some as many other 14 years olds do. Once we finally took the plunge,
so to speak, we had to undress in a locker room, then take a communal
shower and finally be inspected by the lifeguards who, by the way,
were allowed to wear swim suits.
Once together however the naked part was soon overlooked and in
fact I would actually feel sorry for the few 14 year olds that hadn’t
started puberty, at all…….with their baby soft smooth bodies and
little equipment, lol.
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Wiley Says:
December 29, 2007 at 29:29 pm
i was in the 8th grade. i had changed schools. in the 7th grade
i didn’t play n e football or n e thing. my new class mates talked me
into playing football with them, so on the first day of my football
practice, after practice i kept my tidy whities on and the coach made
me take them off so i could take a shower with the other boys. it was
the next to last class and he didn’t want me to go to my last class
stkinkin’. after the first day, i was used to it an’ it didn’t bother
me n e.
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Donny Says:
December 31, 2007 at 31:47 am
I was in 7th grade in the 70s and I swam nude for 12 weeks with
50 class mates. After the first few days it was not a big deal except
at least once a week one of the female gym teachers would come into
the pool area to get a look.
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28.
Steve Says:
January 9, 2008 at 09:02 pm
Heritage High School, Littleton, CO. 10th grade, 1972. New high
school, new swimming pool. I hated PE anyway. And I didn’t know how to
swim. There was some new requirement with the new school that everyone
had to take a swimming class. All PE-classes were single-sex, except
that the swim classes were co-ed, I guess to make better use of the
facilities. Anyway, I took a beginning-swimming class. The class was
full(crowded) of students that already knew how to swim and was taking
a beginning-level because it was “easier” (The following year, you
couldn’t get into the beginning class unless you could prove you
couldn’t swim!). I was one of two boys in the class that absolutely
couldn’t swim. The woman coach they had teaching the class didn’t have
time to teach the two of us to swim becuase the class was too full. So
the two of us were put into the charge of the student-assistant. The
other guy learned to swim. I showed up in my swimsuit everyday, and
stood in a corner of the shallow end of the pool. For that, I got the
passing grade of “C”. All the boys wore nearly identical dark blue
swim trunks that were about like white briefs(underwear) in cut. To
this day, I can’t swim. The showers were communal. I hear that these
days, because of some Title IX requirement for equal PE instruction,
all PE classes are co-ed, and many of the contact-sports have been
eliminated.
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pissed off Says:
January 27, 2008 at 27:13 pm
I had a ymca membership after getting my first permanent f/t job
so I could to weight training. that way I wouldnt get bullied anymore.
it worked.
I could never ever ever ever ever figure out why the fuk swim
trunks were banned. so I stopped using the pool time and only went
when it was mixed gender and trunks were mandatory.
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Allen C Says:
February 24, 2008 at 24:35 pm
I also attended Lane Tech in Chicago in the late 60′s. All swim
classes were in the nude and I also loved to go to the local “Y” to
swim on Saturday. The “Y” was a no suit venue too. I guess that I
never thought about why did we need to be nude.d
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boe Says:
February 26, 2008 at 26:34 am
i was in the boy scouts in the 70′s and on a field trip to a
forest we camped on a river and swam and played naked all day now that
im older i think that our scout leader was a pedofile but i wasnt
touched or seen anyone molested but he sure liked us naked i didnt
mind after all we all have the same parts and its only flesh and i got
a great tan
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Fernwall Says:
February 26, 2008 at 26:57 pm
I had nude swimming in senior high. I took junior high in
another district and had gym class where the teacher made syre we had
the right color. The summer after I graduated high school I visited
Europe and spent time on a nude beach in Denmark. It was just like any
beach except most were nude. What is with the big stink in this
country over skinny dipping? Sides, if you are going to marry somebody
both of you should be nude before so you know what you are getting.
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frank benson Says:
March 1, 2008 at 01:29 pm
I did the nude swimming in gym class. It was 1970-1973 in a
suburban Chicago high school. At first I was very scared
because I was afraid of getting beaten up, or worse, by the
older kids. I started high school early, and I was physically immature
at about 4’10′ and 87 pounds. I was also very apprehensive about the
prospect of corporal punishment as the swim class would be the worst
possible time for it. It turned out okay. The older kids left freshman
alone, and the coach was sympathetic to our insecurities and did what
he could to smooth things over. It was eventually a liberating feeling
to swim nude without any fear or carnal self-consciousness.
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john Says:
March 13, 2008 at 13:46 am
Actually, I did not really take pe naked. however, If i had
forgotenned to wear my pe attire that day(it happens most of the
time), I was made to take pe naked and mine was a mix school! how
humuliating. Sometimes , I got caning by my parents the day before
usually 5 – 7 srtokes. However, there was once i did somethng real
bad , and I was caned countless times until my skin tore. It bled.
Afterwhich, I was not allowed to redress.(i was naked) I was made to
stand outside the door of my house and do pushups . How my ass really
hurt.
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ray Says:
April 4, 2008 at 04:28 pm
1968-69 …Thacker Junior High School in Des Plaines Illinois was
the scene of my naked swimming experience. It was weird at the time,
but the creepiness factor has increased substantially as times have
changed and I now look back. If our coach “Coach K” observed any
horseplay, he would have us come out of the pool, stand on the edge,
and plant a “rose” on our ass…basically his handprint. Pretty
unbelievable. I now wonder about whether he got any thrills out of
this.
Fortunately, we moved to our newly built school in eighth grade
which thankfully did not have an indoor pool.
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JJ Says:
January 30, 2010 at 30:54 am
I was at Thacker also – 1958-1960 – The “rose tatoo” was a
well established custom. Always wondered why the coach was allowed to
wear a suit….
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bruce btw Says:
November 22, 2010 at 22:28 am
The nude swimming documentary on yu tube talks about how a
coach contrived a scenario for all the boys in a nude swimming class
at a Houston middle school to get the paddle on the bare butt.
Seems to me like some coaches had more on their minds than
sports! I cannot say for sure if, after all these years, some of the
gym teachers or swim coaches at my school did not have an unhealthy
obsession with teen guys and their bodies. I was certainly not
paddled, and I would have quit the school and left school grounds if
any teacher or admin. thought he was going to paddle me. Not in the
pool or anywhere else.
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james gavin Says:
April 10, 2008 at 10:23 am
Catholic schools in the 70s were oppressive in many ways.
Required p.e. showers, required gym “jockey” straps, slaps to
the face,
required swimming in the buff, forced work with no pay to take
down chairs after Bingo, etc. Not to mention “the paddle” at about 2.5
feet long and 6″ wide with 30-35 airholes, made of oak. Maybe I was
bicurious or just an exhibitionist, but I had no problem at all with
swim class, not even when I had paddlewelts on my keyster and got
teased about it. I liked girls, but the thought of 30-35 athletic,
tanned classmates swimming in the buff together had an attraction all
its own. But it was innocent, not sexual. Some of the coaches may have
been ephebophiles, but if they were they did not use corporal
punishment nearly as often as they could have.
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SHAWN Says:
April 12, 2008 at 12:29 am
I am not really sure of this subject matter; but swimming naked,
i think was to get the male population to get ready for WAR. The point
was to shape the male to feel comfortable in close quarter situations.
To rid the male of this discomfort would enable the highest percent of
survive due to hygiene.
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April 22, 2008 at 22:43 pm
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Ferd Harbohl Says:
May 3, 2008 at 03:00 pm
I had swimming in gym and the clothing code was we could wear
whatever. I did it in jock whereas everybody did it in speedo or girls
panties. There was an exception. We had water polo and half the guys
were “skins” which meant wear nothing. The last day the coach promised
a surprise. First the whole class was told to strip and then some of
the girls ran though and screamed while looking at us. Turned out the
girls’ class had girls that wanted to look so they had talked the
teacher into letting them streak and making us strip for the girls.
Several girls went into the cage nude. They handed out the towels
while watching the showers. There were a few woodies and the girls let
us know that they knew.
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amel bliss Says:
November 4, 2010 at 04:54 pm
dear Ferd
Could you expain in a little more detail.Were the girls
naked?How many?What was the aftermath of this?Thanks Amel
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ghfgh Says:
May 8, 2008 at 08:05 pm
fhfgh
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j9howard Says:
May 14, 2008 at 14:56 am
I swim laps in a pool several times a week and wish I could swim
naked. I swim about five hours per week. I grew up in the 50′s and
60′s when all the YMCAs required naked swim. I also went to a boy’s
camp in New Hampshire that occaisionally woke everybody up and forced
everyone to skinnydip in the lake at night which was horrible. Other
than that involuntary experience, swimming naked is the way to go.
This country is so uptight about the silliest things. If there was
legalized, community skinnydipping maybe there would be less mass
murdering.
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mackenzie Says:
May 24, 2008 at 24:11 pm
eww eww ewww ewww eww
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Dr Dan Izzo Says:
May 25, 2008 at 25:25 am
BLAME IT ON ORGANIZED NUDITY
THE MORAL EROSION OF AMERICA:
WHY DID AMERICA FROM THE 1950S – 1970S FORCE BOYS TO SWIM
NAKED ?
It was the Communists , in The Communist Manifesto
( a crime manual ) here is a quote from the Communist Manifesto:
” The Manifesto suggested a course of action for a proletarian
(working class) revolution to overthrow the bourgeois social order and
to eventually bring about a classless and stateless society, and the
abolition of private property. ”
Well it worked, America is NOT going to be a Super Power for
much longer, because of this bad policy..countries like Iran will
develope WMD at a faster rate, and because America brain froze its
thinking class , we’ll be passive and allow these criminals to streal
top secret 75 year COPYRIGHT PROTECTED Data..even the A Bomb is United
States Priority Date still.
Somehow the CIA through project Bluelbird ordered Schools to
Force Students into Organized Nudity to Brain Freeze them.,
maybe under the idea that America would soon be leaving the
Silver Standard and by Brain Freezing Students through organized
nudity , civilization would accept valueless paper money as we have
been since 1969-1970.
somehow the Communists Bribed the CIA through project
Bluelbird , to force and degrade the thinking ability of America’s
children:
here’s a quote from Wikipedia on Project Bluelbird
” BLUEBIRD was the cryptonym for a CIA program involving special
interrogation methods, including the use of drugs, hypnosis,[1] and
isolation. It lasted from 1949 to 1950 when it was renamed
“ARTICHOKE”, and would eventually become the infamous MKULTRA.
Responsibility for the project mainly lay with the Office of
Scientific Intelligence. ”
The FBI’s J Edgar Hoover should have done something more to stop
the Abuse of America’s children , even Psychoanalyssi education would
ahve helped prevent the moral decay of the United States.
NOTICE THE ROOT OF ALL EVIL IS THE NEED FOR FOOD.
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amel bliss Says:
November 4, 2010 at 04:00 pm
Dr Dan How can you explain that the Communist
forbad nudity in their own countries but insisted on it
here.And did you know that it is the left wing of this country that
has taken away nude swimming both in schools and any other place where
they have absolute power.
I am an avid Anti-Communist
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Jerry G. Says:
June 11, 2008 at 11:05 pm
I swam at 5:30 AM in a private club with an outdoor pool. Often
I was the only one there. One morning I thought my swim suit was too
tight, so I looked around in the dark, saw no one and, and took it
off. There was a running track around the club which ran by the pool.
On rainy days I knew there would be no runners, so I looked forward to
those days. One morning I was able to swim 10 laps nude before I lost
my nerve and put my suit back on. Later, I was swimming without my
suit and sensed someone coming to the pool in the dark. It was a young
married woman I’d spoken to off and on. She had been a competitive
swimmer at UCLA. When I got to the end of the pool I immediately began
swimming to the other end, where I’d left my suit. When I returned to
the other end (clothed) she said that I had really gained some speed.
I told her that there was a reason for it–that I wasn’t wearing a
suit. She said only “Whatever works fo you–do it!”
On another morning I heard a female voice say “OK, put your suit
on!” and wondered if I’d been found out. It was just this woman, who
knew of my little secret and didn’t mind.
I took a job in Northern California for a year and was away from
my family for 5 months. One Saturday, while looking for Night Clubs in
the Yellow Pages, I saw a listing under Nudist Clubs. The one listed
was pretty close by, so I drove there on a sunny Sunday afternoon in
April, since I had always been curious about nudism, As I drove in, 5
or 6 bare men and women were sitting on folding chairs across the
entrance. They welcomed me in, I paid the $10. rate for the day, and
had a great time swimming in their pool, talking with them and was
invited back for their pot-luck the next Saturday night. I really
enjoyed the freedom of being able to be totally free of clothes, and
at ease with the people. I went there often after that.
My wife doesn’t share my attitude on nudism, so I don’t bug her
about it. Occasionally when she is away I have visited a few nudist
places in Southern CA, and enjoy being in the sun and meeeting new
people, playing water volleyball, etc. I’m not a womanizer, so I don’t
attempt to make anything more of it. I still swim daily in a local
pooll (wearing a bathing suit), and my body is in great shape. But I
prefer swimming without the suit. I did so on a recent trip to Cancun,
when the hotel pool was open all night–I’d use the pool in the early
hours, and no one objected–had it all to myself, though.
If more pepole were able to see each other without clothes, we
wouldn’t be such an uptight population, always making the appearance
of sexiness, but not wanting to expose ourselves.
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John Says:
June 18, 2008 at 18:26 pm
I took a beginning swim class in 1960 at the University of
Illinois. We were not allowed to wear suits. I still prefer to swim
nude. Thankfully, my backyard pool allows me to do just that without
being observed. I do not mind being naked with other nude individuals
but I would not like to be watched by clothed neighbors who might
raise an objection.
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Men's Rights (David) Says:
August 1, 2008 at 01:46 pm
Hi, This Trauma represents the singular biggest issue of my
entire life. The experiences have left a permanent scar ever since.
This sort of thing should’ve NEVER been permitted. It’s totally
outlandish and unconstitutional. I especially agree with mike. As for
my bad experiences, the worst was receiving a physical from a female
nurse. All the boys were forced to line up naked. (all my other
physicals were a “One to One” basis). And wait for our physical. This
was in an ordinary classroom, I don’t know why. The curtains were
shabby, but I don’t think anyone looked in.
Plus, we were only informed about it, just a few hours earlier.
We were told , sometime today, the boys must go to check for
infection.
Finally, 2 additional female teachers were present, and they
both watched me get the physical. (they were facing me, while standing
next to the nurse. I was the last one to receive the physical.)
Beforehand, I always asked lots of questions. But, they
insisted, “It could save my life”. I also asked why it required 3
teachers, to give a physical. She said, it was important to make sure
all of the boys got their physical. This is just one horrid memory… -
Dave from N.Y.
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Men's Rights (David) Says:
August 1, 2008 at 01:58 pm
OH , by the way, I urge everyone to read DR.DAN IZZO’s comment ,
(4 comments above). Because I have theories similar to his.
Ironically, I’m the ONLY person who also includes a hypothesis
involving “forced immodesty” on the part of female administrators. In
other words, women seek to prefer when a man trusts her. I just
witnessed a case in 2008. at a center where young college men work &
live, there’s A middle aged cleaning lady who spent alot of time
hanging out near their locker. And she always chatted with them.
Eventually, she was able to gain their trust, so that , she now walks
inside their locker, and hands towels to them. NOW here’s the
punchline: she says that they “prefer her being there”. They look up
to her, like their own mother. Basically: she doesn’t want them to be
“shy” while she’s present. This is one unique (BUT TRUE) example of
“Forced immodesty” which I’ve personally witnessed, THIS YEAR.
by the way, I’m sorry this was too long, BUT, I could give many
many more examples. believe me, I could. As for me, I’m afraid to take
showers ever since. I usually use Rubbing Alcohol instead of
showering..
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Matt N. Says:
August 5, 2008 at 05:41 pm
In Junior High School our PE class met for 2 hours every Wed.
morning alternating each week between sports (soccer in the fall,
volleyball and basketball in the winter, and softball and track in the
spring) and swimming. At the first class in Sept. we were told that we
always had to be “dressed” for class, meaning that when class would be
at the field or gym we were to report to class dressed in our “gym
suits” (regulation gym shorts and tshirts, and sneakers). The teacher
said that on those weeks when we had swimming, we were expected to
report to the pool deck “dressed in your birthday suits.” Everyone
gave a nervous giggle. So every other week we’d strip naked in the
locker room, rinse off in the communal showers, walk down a tiled
passage way to the pool deck where attendance would be taken, and then
spend 90 min. or so taking class in the nude. It was kind of weird the
first time. After that no one cared.
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johnk Says:
August 12, 2008 at 12:52 pm
I used to live in ausrtalia. In our school all the boys had to
do the naked swim. Unfurtunetly I had the smallest penis so after
swimming and after I put my underwear the biggest boy in the class
would grab me and everybody would hit me in the testicles. I was in
agony for hours
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Earl Says:
September 16, 2008 at 16:17 pm
People, get over yourselves! It’s just your body. We all have
pretty much the same thing. We swam naked in gym class in the 60′s and
I don’t know of anyone who had a problem with it.
Then along came the lawyers…
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Jim Lanzalotta Says:
January 11, 2009 at 11:16 pm
I grew up in Connecticut in the late 60′s. We had nude boys PE
swim class at Windham High School, and also at the local YMCA. We had
a communal shower room for boys PE class. It didn’t seem that any of
this required nakedness was any big deal. The pool water seemed cold
at first, but after getting used to it, was fine. I was a thin kid who
wore high prescription glasses all the time, so without glasses during
swim class, could not see well at all, but visual acuity was not
required for swimming, so I did all right. I was already used to nude
swimming from the YMCA during grades 1 through 8, so swimming nude at
the high school was no big deal, except that the boys were bigger and
in puberty. After getting used to the water, i rather liked the
feeling of freedom of naked swimming. The only contact I remember was
during a PE water polo match that involved some rough playing for the
ball.
College also required a nude boys swim test at the beginning of
freshman year, in 1970. But had co-ed recreational swimming that
required swim suits.
After college I tried going to a nudist resort. After getting
used to co-ed nudity, I rather enjoyed it.
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jerry Says:
January 12, 2009 at 12:17 pm
With all due respect “Samuel,” it sounds like a fantasy, not
reality.
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darren Says:
January 19, 2009 at 19:59 pm
i went to highschool in the early-mid 80`s in a country town in
Australia. the boys did PE seperate to the girls and there was no
nudie swimming.We hated that our PE teacher(pommie bastard)used to
stay in the shower room when we showered,while the girls teacher let
them shower in peace.We thought he was a “perv” just for this so i
dont think we would have handle him being able to watch us “skinny
dipping” all class. I think,too, that this practise,of nude PE, could
be harmful to slower devolpers.We were pretty cruel at times to them
as it was.
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darren Says:
January 19, 2009 at 19:11 pm
I gotta say i luv the suit man and i would have liked being
15/16 in `74. The music- Deep Purple,Led Zeppelin,Black Sabbath,Grand
Funk,Aztecs(oz),Coloured Balls(oz) but judging by your suit your
household musicwould have been something more along the lines of “101
polka hitsof the piano accordian. lol
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Randy Says:
January 20, 2009 at 20:37 am
Hi Orrin
I remember having to swim naked in middle school in Buffalo NY.
Have you heard the story of the red badge of courage? As I vaguley
recall the story, our gym teacher had a bunch of rules that we were
all to follow in and around the pool (like no running). failure to
follow the rules would result in a hard swat on the ass, resulting in
a large red welt. This became known as the red badge of courage.
Stories of boys who broke the rules and received the red badge filled
the lockerroom. I never had enough courage to break the rules.
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Frank Says:
February 4, 2009 at 04:04 pm
I went to an all boy private prep school and we had nude
swimming twice a week for the six years I attended the school (grades
7 to 12). I really didn’t mind it all that much. To be honest it was
no big deal.
Once in a while some teachers would come in to watch (all men).
I did not think anything of it at the time, but looking back I guess
that was weird.
It was a different time (1965 to 1971). Our parents all knew
about this and didn’t care. My two older brothers both went to the
school and sometimes we were all in swim class at the same time.
This would never be allowed today. I guess the world has
changed.
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cenk Says:
February 15, 2010 at 15:35 am
I used to swim nude for my high school boy’s swim classes
in Dearborn, Michigan in the mid 1970′s. I think if the not swim suit
policy returned it would bring back cleaner pools. We always had a
soap shower as a group before entering the pool nude for gym class. WE
have so much in the popular media as far as murder and crap like this
for entertainment, yet nude recreation, it appears is practically
illegal and a taboo subject for the movies. Sexual harassment in the
workplace is so common these days (but there is no nudity in the
workplace). Teen sex, teen pregnancy is cool also in the movies.? !
Weird, I think I see that in Littleton Colorado, they not only did
away with nude male swim classes, but they are now forced to hold co
ed swim classes. Maybe this is another reason that could have lead up
to school shooting. They learn how to fight each other, insteadhow to
relax and have fun.
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Tom Says:
February 19, 2009 at 19:59 am
I went to High School at Janesville Craig High School in
Janesville Wisconsin. I gradutated in 1981. When I was in High School
we swam naked in phy ed class. At the time it didn’t seem like that
big of a deal. I know it seems so hard to beleive now. But at the time
no one thought a second thing about it. I never saw anything pop up
that would be embarrassing. It never caused me any mental pain. It
didn’t seem to stress out any of my classmates either. We were just
boys. Being naked did not have a sexual connection. Letting another
boy see what was hanging between your legs was no more embarrassing
than allowing them to see our bare feet, or ungloved hands. It’s just
a God given body part.
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bj Says:
February 24, 2009 at 24:06 pm
We swam naked in my school days. It seemed totally normal back
in the day. I didn’t mind it that much. I didn’t like it when we had
to swim with younger kids. Sometimes when we were in 11th and 12th
grade we were swimming with 11 and 12 year old kids. Sometimes they
were as young as 8 or 9 years old. Inevitably we would have to teach
the younger kids how to swim. That was awkward when we were all naked.
We got through it alright. It’s amazing how times have changed. Kids
are a lot more conservative today. I think part of the reason kids are
more conservative today is because the family sizes are smaller. When
I was a kid it was nothing to have 4 school age kids home with mom and
dad. Now it is much more common to have 2 school age kids at home with
mom and dad. Kids don’t have to share bedrooms and bathroom facilities
like we did when I was a kid. I came from a family of seven kids. We
had to share bedrooms and the bathroom. I had to share a room with my
older brother. It was not uncommon for us to see each other naked in
the morning when we were getting ready for school. It was not uncommon
for us to see each other naked in the evening when we were getting
ready for bed. We shared the bathroom too. We saw each other stepping
in and out of the shower. We saw each other doing a number one, or
sitting on the toilet. I think it helped take the shyness out of us.
It carried over into the schools. A high school kid today would die of
embarrassment if his mother saw him walk from the bathroom to his
bedroom naked. With seven kids all getting ready for school at the
same time stuff like that will happen.
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will Says:
March 8, 2009 at 08:48 am
I think I have figured this out why only the boys were required
to swim nude. First off, the problem could have been easily solved by
using the same material for both the boys’ and the girls’ suits or
having the girls swim nude also. But we know only the boys were
required to swim nude. I conclude this was done to get boys ready for
military service. Forcing the boys to swim nude was deliberate, it was
psychological training. The schools wanted the boys nude to totally
break down the individual. Get rid of their modesty so they will stop
thinking about themselves. Replace it with the concept that you are
the same as the guy next to you and are all just part of a team (a
unit, platoon, company, etc). The good of the unit comes first, men
who can’t put the good of the unit over their own well being put the
entire unit in jeopardy. Combat requires men to endure stress and
conditions unlike anything in normal life. This conditioning is
essential to how the military functions. The sooner the boys got use
to it the better (for the US government).
Conscription was in effect during WWII, Korea and Viet Nam.
Conscription was also in effect during the Cold War of the late 50s
and early 60s (read Wikipedia-Conscription). Conscription ended in
1973, US involvement in Viet Nam ended in 1975. Guess what, shortly
thereabouts so did this nude swim policy.
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cenk Says:
February 15, 2010 at 15:39 am
Very interesting idea. Nude swimming was tied into
preparing for the military!
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Tom Says:
March 9, 2009 at 09:40 pm
This is Tom again from Wisconsin. I think the last two blogs hit
it right on the head. I remember the older kids in High School were
given the designation of “Cadet” if they earned it. There were other
military terms used too. The fact that bigger families see more of
each other from time to time is very true too. I knew several families
that had 7-9 kids. When I would stay overnight at their homes it would
be necessary to check your modesty at the door. Conscription is
probably the reason boys received physical exam the way we did too.
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Jennifer Says:
May 22, 2009 at 22:37 pm
I love your website. But put pictures of boys bottoms.(you know
the thing under their underwear)
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Jennifer Says:
May 22, 2009 at 22:38 pm
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Jennifer Says:
May 22, 2009 at 22:39 pm
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Mike Grant Says:
September 4, 2009 at 04:50 pm
I grew up in the 50′s and 60′s in Santa Ana CA. Nude swimming
was required for all boys in high school. We would line up along the
wall for roll call. About 100 in the class. What I liked best about
it, is that it eliminated the different types of kids, You know the
cool kids, the dorks, the brains, the loners. We were all equal when
we were naked.
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Will Says:
November 28, 2009 at 28:48 am
I noticed that there were several posters who attended Lane Tech
in Chicago, Illinois and reported that they did the nude swimming BS.
I was in the last class in Lane Tech’s school history that was
required to take nude swimming. It was the 1977-78 school year. Now,
I’m going to speak frankly about why nude swimming was BS. So, if you
don’t like frank and staightforward language, please don’t read on.
First, I believe firmly that my PE teacher who taught the swim
class was some sort of pervert/pedophile. I won’t use his name, but
the following is factual.
Now, swimming nude in a school environment was uncomfortable for
most people in my class. Hell, why would I want to expose my junk to
the world. Why would I want to practice racing dives (and we did) that
painfully smash my exposed parts into the water? Why would I want to
practice lifesaving techniques (and we did) that put my nude body in
closer contact with that of another male student than I’d ever been in
with a girl?
But, we did it because we were freshmen in high school and we
were told that we had to, unless you had a doctor’s excuse.
However, the following story takes the prize. One day, the PE
teacher (who was also the coach of the swim team and a f’in pervert in
my opinion) says that we are not going into the pool that day because
we are going to be practicing mouth-to-mouth resuscitation techniques
on the pool deck as part of our lifesaving training. Okay, so at this
point we are all sitting there naked because that is how we take swim
class, that is, naked.
The PE teacher then points to a bunch of gym mats set up on the
side of the pool and says we are going to head over there for the
mouth-to-mouth training. So, I’m thinking, you knew we weren’t going
into the pool today, so why didn’t you tell us before class to stay in
our street clothes. Furthermore, you know we aren’t going into the
pool today, so why don’t you at this time let us get dressed.
No such luck. We are all marched over to the mats, buck naked,
to practice mouth-to-mouth resuscitation. The PE teacher/swim coach
tells us to pick a partner who we will practice our technique with and
issues us all a piece of gauze. F me. I slunk to the back of the class
and did not pick a partner, hoping to avoid the humiliation. Most did
picka partner.
The first pair of 14 year old boys is called up and takes turns
lying completely naked on their back in front of 30+ naked kids
watching while the other naked kid simulates mouth-to-mouth with only
a gauze pad as a barier between their mouths. How f’ing f’ed up is
that Lane Tech.
The next pair of kids does the same. And the next. And the next.
And the next. Until finally, when the uncomfortableness is beyond
palpable, one of the lifeguards (who, along with the fat PE teacher,
was the only one allowed to wear a swimsuit) says “maybe they could
get dressed because they aren’t going into the water today”.
Brilliant.
So, what does the PE teacher say in response. After thinking
about it for a good minute, he says, “well, maybe they can get into
their unederwear.” So, we were all ordered to put on our tidy whiteys
as fast as we could and to get back to the mats, where the humiliation
continued.
That was one of the most f’ed up experiences of my life.
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Dave Says:
February 24, 2010 at 24:08 pm
I don’t know if the issue was raised in any of the posts (don’t
have time to read all of them), but I can see one definite problem
with forcing adolescent boys to be naked together for extended periods
of time: not all of them are heterosexual. A boy who has just hit
puberty and is attracted to other boys is bound to get aroused being
naked with them. Erections in situations like that are almost sure to
be met with cruel teasing and gay slurs being hurled at the boy in
question. How is a boy supposed to hide an erection when he’s forced
to be naked for an entire class?
I never had to swim naked in PE myself. My older brother hit PE
a few years before I did, and when my parents heard that the boys were
going to be made to swim nude, they raised the roof. Other parents did
the same and that was the end of naked swim at my high school.
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matt Says:
June 21, 2010 at 21:02 pm
when you are swimming naked in a pool there are no
erections.And if there are, nobody sees them, for obvous reasons.Under
showers trrnagers erections occur every once in a while,ihave seen
that happen and most guys dont laugh at the erection, most of them
just ignore it,knowing it could happen to anyone..Some time ago for
many generations, teens swam and showered naked in YMCA.and in many
colleges and universities.Nude swimming unfortunately belongs to
bygone times, nude showering for hygiene s sake is under attack.Five
years from now guys inthe USA will be showering and using lockers with
male burkhas!!!
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Geo Says:
February 27, 2010 at 27:01 am
When I was in jr high and high school (graduated in ’77), we
never had nude swimming, but we always had to shower nude after PE.
The PE teacher was always in the locker room with us, which didn’t
seem odd, since teachers are generally in the room with students.
Being naked might have been a little ackward at first, but having the
teacher there didn’t seem out of place at all.
But under the heading of embarrassing is having your Mom in the
exam room with you when you get a physical. It seemed normal then, but
was still embarrassing. I don’t think moms today would go in with
their teenage son.
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morgan Says:
April 26, 2010 at 26:14 am
I am not a US citizen. I am resident ina foreign country.In the
1970s I attended courses at a US University.<My only an favorite sport
was swimming-I prcticed it one hour five days every week.Nude swimming
was compulsory,and so was nude showering before and after the swim.A
clean towel was given by the University each time.For hygiene.I had no
problems whatever. Yesit was rather strange that every once in a
while,not so frequently though,SOMe students stared at my penis
because it is uncut:inyhose days I think many American students had
never seen an uncircumcized penis and did not know what the hell was
that abnormality. I didnt care much,as I never noticed any
homosexuality.to be nude swimming in the pool felt good and natural. I
am commenting about a University and not about a high school which is
quite a different matter.Why is there no more nudity in campus
swimming pools? absurd.
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morgan Says:
April 26, 2010 at 26:01 pm
In Latin America there has never been nude swimming in pools,but
for males it is quite normal to be nude in showers and lockers. I do
not understand all the fuss about nudity in lockers in the USA
nowadays.from extreme total nudity in swimming, to trunks even in
showers and lockers, and lots of towels. You are asurely going to
introduce very soon male burkhas and veils in those places. Influence
ofAfghanistan, maybe. Why is the US a country of extremes?
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morgan Says:
April 26, 2010 at 26:13 pm
Reading some posts above I thinke it was all right to have nuede
swimming at ehe University in the 1970s.But it was completely wrong to
do so in High Schools in the US.Bacause of the danger of pedophilia,
which could be discovered in public schools, if it ever was, but would
never be discovered in Catholic schools whre a culture of extreme
secret prevails over all moral considerations.Lay teachers, priests,
biships,all in the cover up. Now secrets are being disclosed and a
number of Catholic dioceses have files for bankruptcy.
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morgan Says:
April 28, 2010 at 28:26 pm
As i said in a pervious post,being nude in showers lockers or
wimming pool was not a horror story. Nor was the fact that some guys
had sudden erections. Than is unconfortable but happens frequently to
teenagers and to guys in theira twenties. It was certainly awkward to
be gazed upon because of my uncut penis. Nothing gay about that,
simply sheer curiostity at the unknown . IN THE USA YOU SHOULS HAVE
MORE DEBATEAS ON CIRCUMCISION. iN ALL COUNTRIES OF THE WORLD MALES ARE
UNCIRCUMCISED EXCEPT JEWS MOSLEMS AND PEOPLE MEDICALLY TREATED FOR
PHIMOSIS.I wont debate that right now but their is enough medical
research on the matter abroad, and clean uncut males dont get rash or
infection for having foreskins. You circumcised guys that wont shower
after gym, or will shower with spedos or trunkas mking itdifficult or
imossible to soap your private you just beware of infections or
rashes.They couls multiply with all that prudishness and filth.Please
debate.
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morgan Says:
April 28, 2010 at 28:34 pm
You should open a debate on circumcision in the US, unknown in
other countries.It seemed straqnge for me to be gazed upon because
being uncut, at a Univeristy lockers years ago, I still practiced my
sports,was naked because it was mandatory and because I am not a
prude.It is important to debate more about circumcision and hygienics.
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mak Says:
May 3, 2010 at 03:31 pm
How han aperson shower with spedos or trunkes;how can he wash
his genitals. He wont and that is unhygienic. When kaking a shower in
a public place (gym, pool, lockers)everyone should wash:1) armpits;
2)genitals; 3) perinaeum (the area beteen testicles and the anus) and
$) butt crack icluding anal area and feet. Washihg the perinaeum is
imortant; many people neglect washing that area, and it is full of
germs coming from genitals and anuis. What a mix. No serious washing
of those parts can be done by a persona having that area clothed with
spedos or trunks. More putitan you get, more contagion you will have.
Have you thought about the moral duty we all have not to spread
contagion of various diseases?
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mak Says:
May 4, 2010 at 04:40 pm
stop this neo puritanism and neo prudishness in the USA,
exhibitionism is not goodnor parading nude througjhout the lockers or
stting nude without atowel undreneathe. But no towel dancin please..
Nudity is great, especially in showers even if they are gang or
communal showers. And to stop avoiding issues, some debate about
circumcision should be started in this forum. Nude uncircumcized men
are looked as abnormalities when they shower naked.
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rick welby Says:
May 20, 2010 at 20:42 am
agree completely. In the US most boys are circumcized
right after birth as a matter of course. If I went swimming and in the
changing room I saw a “kid with the glove” as we called it, I hardly
thought it was something bad. I thought it was kind of cool. But my
mother, who was an NA or LPN or some such, insisted the circumcision
was required to prevent certain cancers. Pediatricians pushed this
idea
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matt Says:
June 21, 2010 at 21:46 am
to rick welby: thank you! at last some sensible talk
about circumcision.In Europe where medicine is obviously quite
advanced, circumcision is carried on only for specifical medical
reasons as phimosis,or for religious reasons (Jews and Muslims, with
all respect)..Thre are no high statistics for penis cancer in Europe,
and most guys are uncut.The same can besaid of all Latin American
countries. Obviously if a guy never washes his uncut penis he is prone
to infectiond and maybe cancer.That tis why most uncut guys, when we
shower we retract foreskin and wash and soap whole penis. Foreskins
moreover have more than 5000 nervous terminals which make sexual
intercourse specially pleasurable.Thanks for your comment.
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rick welby Says:
May 20, 2010 at 20:35 am
I went to catholic schools in the Chicago area.
My high school had some old-fashioned ideas along the lines of
paddling, nude swimming, showering after events or gym, required
athletic supporters, hazing of freshman, and other things one would
associate with catholic education in the 70s. Interestingly enough, I
went to a grade school (1-8) that had no lockers or showers, period.
We wore street clothes for PE. When I went swimming at parks or Ys
(nonnude by then!) I was very much a stall-changer or suit-wearer. But
when the first day of frosh gym got down to business, everyone was
nude in the pool. It was nerve-wracking initially, but then it became
very normal, so much so that one did not think about it.
It was good for my self-esteem to lose my modesty. And as a
repressed gay youth, it helped me to compare shapes, sizes, and levels
of hair growth. Some guys looked like they were 10, some 20, most in
between.
Looking back, it shoould of happened when I was 8.
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matt Says:
June 21, 2010 at 21:55 pm
to rick elby: Catholic schools were very reppressive.old
fashioned, prude: but as happens in such kind of institutions,
pedophilia has been discovered now, and was covered by the bishops for
more than 40 years in some cases. Incredibly a high ranking Cardinal
in the Vatican hasmade public declsrations confusing homosexuality and
pedophilis!To be an homosexual is a widespread human condition.You say
you are gay:that is very respectable.Pedophilia is a crime and an
aberration!
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morgan Says:
May 25, 2010 at 25:29 pm
when I was a youngster boys in college always showerd naked
after sports.Since I am uncut, many looked at my penis withcuriosity,
and curiosity turned into amazement when they looked at how I
retracted my foreskin to soap ans wash.At first I was embarrased but
after several tiems,I saw it as a funny situation,and as a result I
got an erection,Astonishment was complete when they saw total
retraction of foreskin! They did not know how an intact penis works!
this was not a gay situation; they were not gays, nor am I. And most
Americans feeluncut penises smell”cheese” and transmit infections: tis
is simoly not true in clean persons:just ask European doctors. And now
you want no nudity at all: the way of avoiding issues is by turning
puritanical. Yes: you should take precautions with adult and child
nudity since pedophilia exists everywhere;specially in the Catholic
Church because of its secrecy policies.
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Lisa West Says:
May 27, 2010 at 27:48 pm
Just a note-I graduated from Williamsville HS South in 1973
(suburb of Buffalo) and we girls, under Mrs. Mason’s less than lovely
tutelage, did not get to wear our own suits. They made us wear these
heavy cotton, shapeless tank suits that, once wet, weighed about a
gazillion pounds and made you sink straight to the bottom of the pool.
Of course, there were also the girls who were permanent bench warmers
due to never ending periods….
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jeff m Says:
June 2, 2010 at 02:46 am
Saint Patrick High School in Chicago required
nude swimming from 1968 thru 1980. I do not know how widepsread
the practice was at other Chicago catholic schools, but I know that
Lane Tech in Chicago and New Trier in Winnetka required nude swimming
up until somtime in the 80s. Males
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Chris Says:
August 3, 2010 at 03:10 am
I graduated from Saint Pat’s (still all boys) in Chicago
in ’77 and can confirm we were required to swim nude for PE class.
Personally, I don’t recall it as being a big deal, everyone pretty
much knew nudity was required in the pool, so it wasn’t exactly a
surprise to anyone when their when their class rotated into the pool
for PE. Besides, showering after PE class was required, too–so it
wasn’t much of a shock to see the same guys naked in the pool area.
Anyway, once you got in the water, there wasn’t much too see, and cold
as the water was in that pool everyone ended up more or less “equal”
anyway–especially if you had swimming in the winter!
I’d always heard the switch to swimsuits was made because
a bunch of mothers, not the students, complained and raised hell about
the nudity requirement. In fact, my youngest brother was a junior or
senior when they made the switch, and I remember him saying most of
the upperclassmen preferred swimming in the nude to the swimsuits they
had to wear.
At any rate, I don’t think I was harmed at all by the
experience, nor do I recall anyone I knew being traumatized by it. I
concede it’s possible that some may have been, but I suspect they’d be
a small minority.
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doug Says:
July 28, 2010 at 28:54 am
I went to Lane Tech HS in Chicago back in the 70s and as part of
freshman PE we had to take swimming, which at that time was in the
nude (boys only). I heard this was common practice at other Chicago
public high schools as well. The supposed explanation was because
swimsuits clog the pool filters, but I don’t remember if this was just
an urban legend or something that was actually told to us. Anyway, if
you didn’t want to swim in the nude, you had to join ROTC, so most of
us knew what we were in for. Next to the pool were rows of benches for
watching swim meets and at the top of the stands were lockers where we
had to get undressed. We would then walk into the lockerroom naked,
get showered, and then get into the pool. It was scary at first, but
then no big deal since everyone had to do it and everyone was
initially nervous. Eventually, we all relaxed after we realized
swimming in the cold water was the worst part of it.
We also had to take communal showers after gym class, which I
can’t imagine not doing if you’ve been around a bunch of sweaty
teenage boys. I can see why swimming in the nude made sense because
some guys would leave their gym clothes in their lockers unwashed; I’m
sure the same would happen with swim trunks.
I never had any weird incidents occur during HS although you
always heard stories about what would happen if you got an erection in
swim class, but it never happened. The water was too cold! I am not
emotionally scarred by this, so I don’t understand what all the fuss
is about. For those who worry about diving into the water naked and
how you can get hurt, do you actually think a thin swimsuit it going
to protect you if you belly flop?
I’ve been to the gym where some of the younger guys will not
even get undressed in the locker room. Do today’s kids not take
showers after gym (yuk!), or do they all have individual showers? I
guess this is symptomatic of how overprotective and uptight we’ve
gotten. Maybe that’s why you see the old guys walking around naked and
the young guys covered up in towels. It’s not always a pleasant sight,
but at least they’re comfortable in their own skin.
I think overcoming your fear of being naked around your peers is
a part of growing up; we learn about ourselves and how we fit in.
Sure, some of us are taller, shorter, smaller, bigger, hairier, less
hairy than others, but we all have the same parts a many of the same
hang-ups. I think there are more important things to worry about!
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malachi Says:
July 31, 2010 at 31:04 pm
I am in my late 50′s. I woke up a few mornings ago wondering
why, as grade schoolers and teenagers, we had to swim naked at both
the YMCA and in junior high and high school swim classes (Iowa). Glad
to hear it wasn’t “just our town”. Looking back, it seems like a
pretty weird tradition – I suppose that’s social relativity: what
seems strange today was normal yesterday. Context is everything…
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jeff m Says:
August 11, 2010 at 11:28 am
I recall at Chicago St. Pat’s that they used wiffle bats instead
of standard BOE paddles for physical punishment. It was usually the
dean of discipline or the attendance officer, although a teacher would
get in on it from time to time.
The penalty for forgetting about detention or for getting thrown
out of a class was two swats. The most I ever heard of anyone getting
at once was 8, but it was usually one or two. But, a friend of mine
from
grade school got caught saying the f-word; four licks, one for
each letter. During swimming class the next day, his @$$ was
gridironed with red welts. He got alot of teasing about it. Sucked to
be him.
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jeff m Says:
August 11, 2010 at 11:33 am
btw the last time I was at a Y, a whole boys’ swim team from a
local high school
went and changed in john stalls 2×2 rather than
being au naturel in front of other males. If you thought that
any group of young ppl today would be comfortable with locker room
nudity it would be a high school swimming team. Not anymore.
If anything, I favor a return to nude swimming just so kids like
that would have to stop being such wusses.
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Kevin Says:
October 1, 2010 at 01:02 pm
I go to the gym about three mornings a week on my way to work. I
notice that the guys 40 and under tend not to shower and are never
nude in the locker room. Those of us who are over 40 are more likely
to shower and change. Nudity is not an issue.
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Joe Says:
October 7, 2010 at 07:56 pm
Kind of disturbing to see that only boys were forced to get
naked and not girls.It makes me angry.
Fortunately,I was always fully dressed in schools.I would have
never allowed such a thing anyway.At least,not unless the girls and
the teachers also did the same.
I mean where is the “equality” that feminists talk about?It’s
quite obvious that they(girls) get more advantage.
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martin llorens Says:
October 20, 2010 at 20:30 pm
Yes i also went to St pat’s,and yes it was disturbing,especially
when the seniors proped opened the swimming pool area door next to the
CTA bus stop and everone on the bus was laughing.I am still
traumatized from those incidences,as well as the common occurance of
the Christian Brothers taking pictures from the Balcony.Those pictures
were traded like baseball cards, after church.Brother Richard was in
charge of the card trading,bless his soul. [More to come]
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ryan klatte Says:
November 1, 2010 at 01:12 am
To the guy above-
I swam nude from 1973-76 at S. Pats Chicago(5900 belmont.)
Never heard of a teacher making a gay advance at a student.
Never heard of Brother Richard taking pictures of nude boys. Funny how
I recall that Brother Richard seemed to be around nude swimming
classes and the water polo locker room when he did not need to be. But
I never saw him with a camera.
I was not embarrassed when a female teacher or a Polish cleaning
lady accidentally stumbled into nude swimming. If anything, I wanted
females to think I had a cute butt. There were brothers who were gay,
in my view, but they were never around nude boys, and they were not
coaches.
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ryan klatte Says:
November 1, 2010 at 01:17 am
btw in reference to corporal punishment-
there were paddlings at Saint Pat’s and there was nude swimming,
but I never heard of anyone actually getting the paddle or the bat
while buck-naked, and if any swimming coach or swimming-brother (Bro.
Hugh?)
wanted to paddle a nude boy he could have.
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frank Says:
November 2, 2010 at 02:40 am
I am glad to see a thread I contributed to is still alive, with
more very interesting views. BTW there is now a history of High School
Nude Swimming on you tube. It mentions the classic movie “Heaven Help
Us.”
For me, the au naturel swimming class was a bit “iffy” the first
month or so, but after that it became something I looked forward to.
When I was very young I had six pack abdominals and I would like to
think I had a nice ass. (I normally did not look at my butt.)
So if some other dude liked to look at me during swim class, God
bless him. No ever touched me or made an inappropriate comment or
advancement to me.
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Kevin Says:
November 2, 2010 at 02:47 am
I agree with the comment Frank posted recently. I did not think
nude swimming in gym class was a big deal. I still don’t think there
was anything wrong with the practice. I was in good physical condition
and if some guy liked what he saw, so what? Nothing strange was ever
said to me or to anyone else that I know of. No one ever touched me,
and to the best of my knowledge the same can be said for everyone else
in my class. I think given the time we live in (and current attitudes)
it is good that the nude swimming class has come to an end. Times have
changed. ( 40 years ago you went to the doctor for a physical and just
took your clothing off and were naked. Today they give you an exam
gown, bathrobe and slippers). However, back in the 60′s and 70′s all
this was a non-issue. At least it was for me.
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jeff healy Says:
November 3, 2010 at 03:00 am
Thanks for the info.!
I found this great messageboard after a 16 year old nephew of
mine heard something about old time suitless swims.
He did not believe it ever happened, so I googled it to prove
it.
I really don’t consider myself a “shamrock” proper
although I did go to St. Patrick for Boys in Chicago
(Belmont Avenue) for my freshman year. It was early or mid
1970s, and I did swim without a suit. We also had a coach for the gym
portion who seemed to find excuses to use the paddle. He was a young
guy with
a sort of Mark-spitz-mustache look
who used bad language (?), so he was prob. fired soon after.
I had gym M W F and swimming T TH for fall semester.
Does that sound right?
We had “world cultures” instead of gym for winter semester.
I do not remember, after so many years, if any of the coaches
were religious brothers. The one who was into the paddle was a lay PE
teacher. He seemed to like to see guys say “ouch!” and jump around.
But I don’t think he ever hovered around the pool. IIRC the balcony
was locked from the outside when swim classes were in session, so I
don’t
really believe that Brothers were there taking pictures. Of
course it is possible, but even back then
there would have been a huge parents’ backlash against
the school if Brothers were known to be taking “candid shots” of
swim class.
The swim team practiced in little green speedoes, and I think
the real swimmers were exempted from nackt swim class.
I did x-country and we always showered after practice. IMHO if a
teacher was into oggling naked guys, it would have been hard to stop
him from doing so.
I moved to Iowa and attended a private, very small Lutheran k-12
school after that- no showers, no pool,
no paddles, no inter-school sports. We carried our gym shoes
with us on gym days and did our PE in street clothes and white t-
shirts. We played ball outside when we could. A totally different exp.
from Saint Pats. I am not angry at saint Pat’s though- swimming class
was no biggie, and when I was 14 I was a smart-aleck who could have
used a little discipline once in a while.
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jim Says:
November 6, 2010 at 06:02 am
My experiences were somewhat similar to people here and have now
become hazy over the years.
I graduated from HS in 1967 and I went into religion and the
ministry so as not to go to ‘Nam.
My schools were too poor to have pools or even proper locker
rooms. Our family was given Y memberships as gifts from a fraternal
organization.
At the Y, there were no woman and girls. You swam in the nude
for swim instruction, swim team, and free swim. If you did not like
that, you could swim with a suit in the public pool that was open mid-
June through Labor day. That was it. Swim indoors at the Y, swim nude.
Same if you were 8 or 80.
I did swim team. Teams practiced in the nude, but wore suits for
meets, water shows, or for anything were a mixed crowd was expected.
As far as I can remember, there were no female Y employees. Sisters
and moms were never allowed anywhere near the pool when swimming was
taking place.
The team aspect was about speed, endurance, stroke techniques,
and winning meets, just like any swimming team is today. Once you got
passed the fact that every one was naked, it was just swimming.
I do not recall the meets, but I remember how we sometimes swam
widths instead of lengths (to work on turns) until our arms and legs
were like limp spaghettis. The pain was unbelievable. At that point,
being bare-butt was the last thing in the world
I was thinkg about.
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cenk Says:
November 28, 2010 at 28:15 am
We had all male nude swimming in Dearborn, Michigan from
1920 to about 1980. We develpoed some of the best swimmers in the
State. When you are swimming several hundred lenghts per work out you
do not have time to think about being nude. Nude swimming is easy to
get used to and fun to do. We never had the kind of problems with
sexual harassment in the 1970′s that we see today in our all clothed
environments at school and at work.
I saw the movie Heaven Help Us and it had a scene on nude
swim class and tried to make it funny. Our nude swim classes had a lot
of lap swimming, deck excercises and not much lecture. The real
swimmers were never fat and not at all embarassed about showing off a
lean fit body.
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martin Says:
November 10, 2010 at 10:24 pm
Yes i am catholic and my father is a catholic deacon so i not
going to lie on the brothers if i didn’t see it for myself. Thay were
taking pictures, i was joking about the rest. I told my parents, but
like all good parents back then (1977) The response was shut up and
learn that is what you are there for.
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ryan (KC) Says:
November 15, 2010 at 15:45 am
I grew up in Kansas City. There were rumors about HS nude
swimming, but it was before my time and I had no
older bros. My cousins and aunts & uncles all live in Omaha.
From my own view, it may or may be an urban myth. From what is
reported here, it must have happened in some places, at schools or at
old time Ys before women were allowed. BTW there was a episode on
Seinfeld or Raymond that mentioned nude swimming at the Elks Lodge
pool. So I guess guys will swim in a natural state if there aren’t
women around. And nudist camps are co-ed.
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bruce Says:
November 22, 2010 at 22:11 am
I have been going thru this blog and sometimes I wondered if it
were not an extension of class mates dot com!
I went to a suburban Chicago high school that had a pool a long
long time ago. Swimming classes were segregated by gender. Girls wore
dark blue one- pieces, or so my girl-friend told me. The guys, of
course, swam nude. We were also expected to take gang showers after
track practice, football practice, and gym class. I did not mind being
nude in and of itself, but I really hated the fact that we were
REQUIRED to swim nude.
You are never forced to go to a nude beach or a naturist camp!
I guess I resented the fact that it was a rule.
When parents objected, the answer was, take it or leave it- it
is the rule.
Some time after I left, the pool was closed due to liability
concerns and was never re-opened. I don’t
know if classes for males ever swam in suits.
The guy swim team swimmers wore black “tank” suits that were
less brief than ‘speedo’ bikinis but more brief than the bike shorts
kid wear today.
The water was kept as cold as hell
because the competition swimmers swam faster in cold water.
If anyone were gay, they would have been too shrivelled up to
care about other guys’ butts.
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JohnS Says:
November 23, 2010 at 23:13 am
I went to a public H.S. in Milwaukee, and I graduated in 1978.
We did swim nude. I did not mind it at the time. Growing up with four
brothers who were fairly close in age, including twins, I did not
think of male nudity as a major concern.
I was neither scared nor embarrased. I was never asked
about it by any adult, and I would have shrugged if it were
discussed- as in, so what? I was more worried about failing “trig” and
NOT getting a car for my birthday than I was about swim class- nude or
nonnude.
I was not on the school swimming team, but I could hold my own
against most non Mark Spitz types.
Now however, some 32 years after the fact, I am
against it and should have been agin’ it then. Why? Adult
authority, and the obvious misuse of it. I did not care about it then,
and I never even thought of gays or gayness.
(I knew what gays were, but I thought it was a California
thing!)
Our school did not have spankings, unlike those of some other
commenters.
But it was a wrong use of adult authority.
By 1975 swim suits were made of fabrics that did not hurt the
pool, and the same for dyes. Nude swimming was maintained for
tradition, for humiliation, for male initiation purposes, and perhaps
because some of the faculty had a prurient interest in ephebes.
It was wrong then, and it is still wrong.
If parents want to take their kids to a clothes-opt resort, it’s
a different story. A teacher should not make that rule.
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frank Says:
November 30, 2010 at 30:39 pm
Good thread, but I would not want to have gone to a catholic
high school with Brothers taking pictures!
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David Says:
January 10, 2011 at 10:17 pm
I graduated high school in 1975. We didn’t have a pool so no
question of swimming, naked or clothed. Ninth grade gym class was the
first time for me to be naked with a large group of other guys. I had
taken baths with some of my male friends when I was small and also
skinny dipped a time or two, but showering with 30 or so other guys
was different. I was nervous about it at first, but soon got used to
it. I had developed so I was ahead of some of the other guys, which
made a difference. I was the only circumcised guy in that shower which
meant I got stared at and commented on a few times, but I got used to
that too, in fact I was happy about it because I thought then and
still do today that a cut dick looks a lot better than an uncut one,
plus its a lot easier to keep clean. I don’t recall there being a
school rule requiring us to shower, but there was an unofficial rule
among us guys that everyone had to do it: in theory because we didn’t
want to smell a lot of sweat, but in reality because we didn’t want
someone seeing us naked without us seeing them the same way. It was a
male bonding type thing.
I wish my school had had a pool and that we’d had nude swimming. It
sounds like a lot of fun.
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