Question about males at Haulover
Cathy
even old guys.
What gives? Whys is it necessary to wear one of these at a a nude beach?
Just curious.
Cathy
JayMagoo
several times a week for the last four years and I think I can make some
generalizations about body decorations:
Guys who wear cock rings and piercing type jewelry on their genitalia are
either Gay or they are Swingers, or both. Haulover, even though most of us
think of it as a nude beach, is really more than that. It is a destination and
meeting place for the large gay population of Miami and Broward Counties, and
they have pretty much taken over large sections of the beach. Haulover also
attracts a large number of swingers who try to hide their unsavory activities
behind the rather unoffensive institution of nudism. People whose first
purpose of being at a nude beach is sexual contacts, i.e. homosexuals and
swingers, usually try to call attention to their genitalia.
Real nudists don't usually wear any such doo-dads.
On weekends go to the central part of Haulover and you will see families with
kids, good wholesome gatherings. Of course there are sometimes pedophiles and
perverts lurking around the family groups for whatever reason they alone know
best. But once you see the large groups of hetrosexual couples and groups with
children you will see how the body jewelry readily sets the wears apart from
real nudists.
cyndiann
<csimpson1...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>I was at the beach last week and notice a lot of guys wearing cock rings -
>even old guys.
>
>What gives?
Just decoration.... not unlike wearing rings in your ears.
> Whys is it necessary to wear one of these at a a nude beach?
Why do you think it is necessary?
cyndiann
www.mynudelife.com
>
>Just curious.
>
>Cathy
>
>
>
Tom
"Cathy" <csimpson1...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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issues. They put these items on their body as if to say, "hey, look at me,
I'm inadaquate but ain't I kool". Their main pre-occupation is watching you
to see if what they are wearing and the location where they are wearing it
gets your attention. Pay them no mind and they will graduate to something
else to get our attention. Maybe something like genital amputation. We can
only hope and that would certainly get my attention.
And did you see the study where a group of doctors in Europe reports the
hidden consequences of piercings, rings and constrictive devises that are
used for breast and gentital display purposes? It seems that no matter how
much one pays attention to their hygine, eventually, microscopic organisims
get into the pierced areas and dirt, sand and all sorts of flotsum and
jetsum gets underneath the jewelery and infections of all sorts and types
are the result.
The bottom line is that this is another one of those common sense issues. If
this genital jewelry thing was suppose to happen, we would be born with this
junk in place.
See you on the beach,
Tom
>
>
Jenny6833A
I was at a different beach last week. I noticed a lot of women wearing crosses
- even old women.
What gives? Why is it necessary to wear one of these at a nude beach?
Just curious.
:-)
Jenny
(Hmmm, having given both matters about a microsecond of consideration, one
suspects the reason is the same -- namely some sort of personal preference
that's none of anyone's business but the wearer.)
Before emailing, remove Clothes
Mike J Oropeza
> "Cathy" <csimpson1...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1Rhpa.77824$28.3...@fe07.atl2.webusenet.com...
>
>>I was at the beach last week and notice a lot of guys wearing cock rings -
>>even old guys.
>>
>>What gives? Whys is it necessary to wear one of these at a a nude beach?
It's probably not necessary to wear them. It may simply be a matter of
comfort, fashion, or convenience. With the exception of wedding bands,
you're not required to notice jewelry.
> These types of body "adornments" are worn by men with ego and identity
> issues. They put these items on their body as if to say, "hey, look at me,
> I'm inadaquate but ain't I kool".
Do you think this is true for all jewelry? Or is it simply cock rings
that mean this? What does it mean for a woman to wear makeup? Or for a
man to shave his face?
> Their main pre-occupation is watching you
> to see if what they are wearing and the location where they are wearing it
> gets your attention.
How do you know so much? Using your logic, if women shave their legs,
they must want you to see and feel it.
> Pay them no mind and they will graduate to something
> else to get our attention. Maybe something like genital amputation. We can
> only hope and that would certainly get my attention.
Your tolerance for the dress of others is immeasurable.
> And did you see the study where a group of doctors in Europe reports the
> hidden consequences of piercings, rings and constrictive devises that are
> used for breast and gentital display purposes? It seems that no matter how
> much one pays attention to their hygine, eventually, microscopic organisims
> get into the pierced areas and dirt, sand and all sorts of flotsum and
> jetsum gets underneath the jewelery and infections of all sorts and types
> are the result.
I find it interesting that other devices such as earrings, eyeglasses,
prosthetics, orthodontics, wedding bands, or other appliances don't
present the same dangers. Shaving would seem to be more problematic
looking at the experiences of people I know.
> The bottom line is that this is another one of those common sense issues. If
> this genital jewelry thing was suppose to happen, we would be born with this
> junk in place.
This seems to be an argument that works to eschew any type of shaving or
haircuts. Of course, optical lenses and their frames would be out of the
question, too.
Real common sense says that people enjoy adorning their bodies, and that
we should not assign our own cynical view of behavior to their motives.
After all, when one has a dirty mind, one presumes others do, too.
--
Mike J Oropeza
Those who hear not the music, think the dancers mad ~{°¿°}~
Red White & Blue Beach - http://redwhiteandbluebeach.com/
Cathy
"> These types of body "adornments" are worn by men with ego and identity
> issues.
That would be my assumption as well.
Obviously, there are diametrically opposing viewpoints on why these are
worn, judging from the comments made in response to my original post.
IMO, cock rings are not "jewelry" in the sense of earrings, nipple rings, or
even PAs, but a desperate attempt to make one's "equipment" appear larger
and stand out more, as if that were necessary on a nude beach.
My original reason for asking was that, as most of you will attest, nude
beaches (at least in Haulover's case) are not *supposed* to be places where
sex or sexual activity take place. Wearing one of these draws attention to
the male sex organ, and thus, by its very nature focus (more) attention on
the sexuality of the male. Let me state unequivocally that I have no
problem with that part of it in the proper context. I don't think, though,
that a nude beach is the proper context. And, I personally have no problem
with a man wearing one - my original question was more out of curioisty than
anything else, just wondering why it woul deven be necessary to wear one on
the beach.
Cathy
Mike J Oropeza
> My original reason for asking was that, as most of you will attest, nude
> beaches (at least in Haulover's case) are not *supposed* to be places where
> sex or sexual activity take place. Wearing one of these draws attention to
> the male sex organ, and thus, by its very nature focus (more) attention on
> the sexuality of the male.
It is sexual behavior that should be discouraged on nude beaches, not
sexuality. The fact it draws attention is more an issue for the viewer
than the wearer. There are other plausible reasons to wear one, and your
description describes what *you* think they're intended to do.
> Let me state unequivocally that I have no
> problem with that part of it in the proper context.
Being with friends is when fashion makes sense to most.
> I don't think, though,
> that a nude beach is the proper context.
This is where you say, "so I wouldn't wear one." What others wear, or
don't wear, is why nude beaches are free.
> And, I personally have no problem
> with a man wearing one - my original question was more out of curioisty than
> anything else, just wondering why it woul deven be necessary to wear one on
> the beach.
After the responses you've received, why is it necessary to repeat the
question?
jon...@webtv.net
It is sexual behavior that should be discouraged on nude beaches, not
..you know you just gotta luv these cult nudist......this guy...sez
..Lloyd....i am with you dont tell the bad stuff.......and then turns
right around and sez to discourage sexual behavior and apparently
encourage sexuality.......now let me see if i got this straight......the
guy puts on a cock ring...and the next guy puts a chain on his cock
ring.....and all day long the girls cum aound a pullin on that damn
chain.....he he ha ha.....hey mikey boy where does the sexuality end and
the sexual behavior begin..and are you going to encourage Lloyd to
report all these goings on in complete and full coverage.....he he ha
ha...jonZeee
Reverend Lovejoy
> Let me state unequivocally that I have no
> problem with that part of it in the proper context. I don't think,
though,
> that a nude beach is the proper context. And, I personally have no
problem
> with a man wearing one - my original question was more out of curioisty
than
> anything else, just wondering why it woul deven be necessary to wear one
on
> the beach.
It's no more necessary to wear one than to wear clothes at all, people do it
for fashion (which, personally, is a motivation I'll never understand).
Why wear jewelry at all to the beach, nude or otherwise? Personally, between
the sand, water, and the likelihood of loosing it, body ornaments of any
kind seem like a silly thing to have at a beach, to me at least. But to the
extent that people do choose to wear jewelry, there is no fundamental
difference between a cock ring and an earing, as a person wearing earings
(or no jewelry at all for that matter) is just as capable of sexual behavior
as a person wearing a cock ring. Any difference is between the two body
ornaments exists solely in the mind of the observer.
--
"I remember another gentle visitor from the heavens, he came in peace and
then died, only to come back to life, and his name was E.T., the extra teres
trial. I loved that little guy."
- Reverend Lovejoy, The Simpsons
Kathleen
>Date: 4/22/03 2:22 PM Pacific Daylight Time
>Message-id: <20030422172230...@mb-m10.aol.com>
thinking of going will now be able to make an informed decision.
Kathleen
"I will put my trust in Him", Hebrews 2:13
"When I say, "I am a Christian'', I'm not shouting, ''I am Saved''. I'm
whispering "I get lost, that's why I chose this way ". (Bruce Gamlich)
"Counting My Blessings!"
Kathleen
>issues. They put these items on their body as if to say, "hey, look at me,
>I'm inadaquate but ain't I kool". Their main pre-occupation is watching you
>to see if what they are wearing and the location where they are wearing it
>gets your attention. Pay them no mind and they will graduate to something
>else to get our attention. Maybe something like genital amputation. We can
>only hope and that would certainly get my attention.
>
>And did you see the study where a group of doctors in Europe reports the
>hidden consequences of piercings, rings and constrictive devises that are
>used for breast and gentital display purposes? It seems that no matter how
>much one pays attention to their hygine, eventually, microscopic organisims
>get into the pierced areas and dirt, sand and all sorts of flotsum and
>jetsum gets underneath the jewelery and infections of all sorts and types
>are the result.
>
>The bottom line is that this is another one of those common sense issues. If
>this genital jewelry thing was suppose to happen, we would be born with this
>junk in place.
>See you on the beach,
>Tom
>>
Hi Tom, an excellent post. One of my sons had his face pierced just below his
lower lip. The backing to the earring was hitting his gum--it wore the gum so
badly that he had to have skin grafts on the gum to protect the roots of his
bottom teeth. He says he won't be piercing anything ever again.
I know I have even let my pierced ears grow back and never wear earrings
anymore.
Kathleen
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Personally, I don't care if someone wears such things at Haulover as it is a
free beach and not a true naturist atmosphere...as has been said it is a
"destination" for many people. It is a person's choice to pierce and paint
their body and even though I have yet to see such things beautify a person,
that is their decision.
But last Friday when we were there, there was a guy about 10 feet away from
us with a ring through his penis and he kept playing with it, pulling on it,
fondling it...and he would stare at my wife while he did it. But he'd never
do it when I was looking...I'm sure he could tell that we were not there to
find sexual partners. He must have gotten the idea that we were getting
ticked off because he left just as I was getting ready to go say something
to him. That is, IMHO, inappropriate behavior for a location where there
are families, children, couples, people who just want to be naked on the
beach.
Tim
"JayMagoo" <jaym...@aol.com> wrote in message
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jon...@webtv.net
from us with a ring through his penis and he kept playing with it,
pulling on it, fondling it...and he would stare at my wife while he did
it. But he'd never do it when I was looking...I'm sure he could tell
that we were not there to find sexual partners. He must have gotten the
idea that we were getting ticked off because he left just as I was
getting ready to go say something to him. That is, IMHO, inappropriate
behavior for a location where there are families, children, couples,
people who just want to be naked on the beach.
will ever end.....i dont think it will.....if you dont think it will
what is your purpose in continuing your wanting to be naked on the nude
beach ...when there is other options available to you.....on private
property........how does your wife feel....if you continue to submit
yourself and your wife to this unwanted behavior.....then maybe down
deep you like it........this is beyond your control...as there is
another guy behind this guy to take his place.......i have never
returned to a place that was offensive and beyond my control.....is this
not the american way......jonZeee.
Dario Western
If you had read the previous posts, it is the fact that some of these people
are so insecure about certain body parts that they feel they must draw other
people's attention to them.
To me, it is unsavoury and gives people the impression that exhibitionism is
accepted and tolerated at nudist venues.
Dario Western
"Mike J Oropeza" <mi...@redwhiteandbluebeach.com> wrote in message
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Those who hear not the music, think the dancers mad ~{倏陣~
Mike J Oropeza
> Mike,
>
> If you had read the previous posts, it is the fact that some of these people
> are so insecure about certain body parts that they feel they must draw other
> people's attention to them.
I won't argue with this. I believe fashion follows from much of this, as
well as the requirement to wear clothing in the first place.
> To me, it is unsavoury and gives people the impression that exhibitionism is
> accepted and tolerated at nudist venues.
Only to those that believe wearing genital jewelry is exhibitionism. But
then again, many folks believe simple nudism is exhibitionism. It's the
behavior of the wearer that matters, not their jewelry. I'm old enough
to remember when men wearing earrings meant a lot more to observers than
it does today.
--
Mike J Oropeza
Those who hear not the music, think the dancers mad ~{°¿°}~
CDH1234567
resorts. I've had numerous compliments when I'm at the resorts. I like the
feel and the look. I don't see where it is any different from women wearing
nipple rings, belly button rings or labia rings. In fact, at the AOL umbrella
on Haulover I saw a lady with a labia ring. And there are plenty of women with
nipple rings. I don't go parading, but I walk as I please or go in the water.
Tim
this guy was playing with the ring that was impaled on his genitals.
You are correct, I don't think this behavior will stop, but it can be curbed
with the proper intervention.
I appreciate your proposed solution, but that's not a solution to me. Also,
this was one guy out of many around us. He was the only one behaving in
this way...if it were to become prevalent, then I probably would not return.
I'm looking forward to discussing these issues with other naturists this
weekend to see what their views are...although newsgroups are interesting,
the anonymity does not lend itself to honest evaluation by the participants,
IMHO.
Tim
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cyndiann
wrote:
>>From: jaym...@aol.com (JayMagoo)
>>Date: 4/22/03 2:22 PM Pacific Daylight Time
>>Message-id: <20030422172230...@mb-m10.aol.com>
>>
>>I guess they are trying to make a statement. I have been going to Haulover
>>several times a week for the last four years and I think I can make some
>>generalizations about body decorations:
>>
>>Guys who wear cock rings and piercing type jewelry on their genitalia are
>>either Gay or they are Swingers, or both.
And you've done a survey and know that they are all gay or
swingers.... not likely. You should not make assumptions that you
can't back up.
>>Hulover, even though most of us
>>think of it as a nude beach, is really more than that. It is a destination
>>and
>>meeting place for the large gay population of Miami and Broward Counties, and
>>they have pretty much taken over large sections of the beach. Haulover also
That isn't true.
>>attracts a large number of swingers who try to hide their unsavory activities
>>behind the rather unoffensive institution of nudism. People whose first
>>purpose of being at a nude beach is sexual contacts, i.e. homosexuals and
>>swingers, usually try to call attention to their genitalia.
More misleading information.... many that go there don't have a clue
what nudism is and don't use nudism as a cover because they couldn't
if they wanted to. Homosexuals may or may not be there for making
sexual contacts, you can't really say one way or another. Same with
swingers... there are probably many there that are not doing a damn
thing out of the ordinary but you wouldn't know because they don't
wear signs on their foreheads saying they are swingers/gays.
You are trying to pass on quite a bit of misinformation. Why?
>>
>>Real nudists don't usually wear any such doo-dads.
More made up statements....
>>
>>On weekends go to the central part of Haulover and you will see families with
>>kids, good wholesome gatherings. Of course there are sometimes pedophiles
>>and
>>perverts lurking around the family groups for whatever reason they alone know
And you know that because..... (more made up information)
>>best. But once you see the large groups of hetrosexual couples and groups
>>with
>>children you will see how the body jewelry readily sets the wears apart from
>>real nudists.
>>
>>
>thank you for an accurate report that tells the whole story. Those who are
>thinking of going will now be able to make an informed decision.
>Kathleen
An accurate report? Paleeeze!
What makes you think he's accurate?
cyndiann
www.mynudelife.com
cyndiann
wrote:
>I agree with Jay's assessment of the situation.
>Personally, I don't care if someone wears such things at Haulover as it is a
>free beach and not a true naturist atmosphere...as has been said it is a
>"destination" for many people. It is a person's choice to pierce and paint
>their body and even though I have yet to see such things beautify a person,
>that is their decision.
>
>But last Friday when we were there, there was a guy about 10 feet away from
>us with a ring through his penis and he kept playing with it, pulling on it,
>fondling it...and he would stare at my wife while he did it. But he'd never
>do it when I was looking...I'm sure he could tell that we were not there to
>find sexual partners. He must have gotten the idea that we were getting
>ticked off because he left just as I was getting ready to go say something
>to him. That is, IMHO, inappropriate behavior for a location where there
>are families, children, couples, people who just want to be naked on the
>beach.
>
>Tim
So why didn't you inform a Beach Embassador? They would have made him
leave the beach.
cyndiann
www.mynudelife.com
cyndiann
wrote:
>I realize I'm probably getting off topic, but this still relates because
>this guy was playing with the ring that was impaled on his genitals.
>
>You are correct, I don't think this behavior will stop, but it can be curbed
>with the proper intervention.
And that is what the Beach Embassadors are for. Have you tried asking
them for help?
>
>I appreciate your proposed solution, but that's not a solution to me. Also,
>this was one guy out of many around us. He was the only one behaving in
>this way...if it were to become prevalent, then I probably would not return.
>I'm looking forward to discussing these issues with other naturists this
>weekend to see what their views are...although newsgroups are interesting,
>the anonymity does not lend itself to honest evaluation by the participants,
>IMHO.
>
>Tim
Thank you for honestly saying that there was but one fellow not
behaving that day.
cyndiann
www.mynudelife.com
Cerumen
"Cathy" <csimpson1...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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rings -
> even old guys.
>
> What gives? Whys is it necessary to wear one of these at a a nude beach?
>
either.
--
Chris Thomas
West Cork
Ireland
Kathleen
>>this was one guy out of many around us. He was the only one behaving in
>>this way...if it were to become prevalent, then I probably would not return.
>>I'm looking forward to discussing these issues with other naturists this
>>weekend to see what their views are...although newsgroups are interesting,
>>the anonymity does not lend itself to honest evaluation by the participants,
>>IMHO.
>>
>>Tim
>
>Thank you for honestly saying that there was but one fellow not
>behaving that day.
>
>cyndiann
>www.mynudelife.com
>
>
admitted he didn't see the man doing that but that his wife did. Maybe he
didn't see others that were misbehaving too. So that person may not have been
THE ONLY one misbehaving.
He was just the only one that Tim knew of.
Gosh, I sound like Jenny. YIKES.
Kathleen
>Date: 4/23/03 7:38 PM Pacific Daylight Time
>Message-id: <20030423223855...@mb-m14.aol.com>
I would suggest you not base your behavior on what other people do and be your
own person. Do what you feel is right.
Bill S
how we decorate our bodies. I think the type of decoration you describe
might be a form of expression intended to communicate a specific message to
a desired target audience but it just may be a fad with no reason to be
except that others do it, too. Your question is certainly an honest one that
I believe could be asked to the next person you encounter with these genital
accessories. You'll most likely get as many different answers as the people
you ask. Something to think about-- Ask some guy with a beard or moustache
why he shaves his pubic hair? Ask another guy why he shaves his beard but
not his pubes? I bet the most common answer will be, "because its my
personal choice." I wouldn't get too fixated on this current style of
accessorizing, after all its not as permanent as a tattoo.
Bill S in Goodyear, AZ
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> thank you for an accurate report that tells the whole story. Those who are
> thinking of going will now be able to make an informed decision.
> Kathleen
And when were YOU last at Haulover?
Jeff The Naked Guy
> These types of body "adornments" are worn by men with ego and identity
Ego?? I don't wear those "adornments", but there is a long list of reasons
men wear them..
> issues. They put these items on their body as if to say, "hey, look at me,
> I'm inadaquate but ain't I kool". Their main pre-occupation is watching
That is a personal opinion.. I have chatted with guys (and girls) who have
body jewerly and only time it is "discussed" is when a person without the
"adornment" brings it up..
> you to see if what they are wearing and the location where they are
> wearing it gets your attention. Pay them no mind and they will graduate to
> something else to get our attention. Maybe something like genital
> amputation. We can only hope and that would certainly get my attention.
You should like you have issues about things you don't understand or maybe
you think everyone is wanting to be like you: a attention hound..
> And did you see the study where a group of doctors in Europe reports the
> hidden consequences of piercings, rings and constrictive devises that are
<snip>
> flotsum and jetsum gets underneath the jewelery and infections of all
> sorts and types are the result.
Then woman should not pierce (sp?) their ears.. Maybe just maybe those of us
with Tattoos will get infected YEARS after we get the tattoo..
> If this genital jewelry thing was suppose to happen, we would be born with
> this junk in place.
That also goes for us humans cutting our hair, weariing earrings, etc.. That
arguement has many flaws..
--
Jeff The Naked Guy
http://www.anp-inc.net/jsivins/
Must add rm /bin/conservative in my daily processing.
Jeff The Naked Guy
> If you had read the previous posts, it is the fact that some of these
> people are so insecure about certain body parts that they feel they must
> draw other people's attention to them.
Well don't all people try to draw "attention to them"selves?? The vast
majority of people who are "insecure" are not ones to go out and draw
attention.. There are people, and I know a few, who go out of their way to
appear secure about themselves.. Then generally (joking half heartedly)
those middle aged men who drive sports cars..
Jeff The Naked Guy
> Hi Tom, an excellent post. One of my sons had his face pierced just below
> his lower lip. The backing to the earring was hitting his gum--it wore the
Then your son either did NOT get it pierced or there was a MIX up.. From
reading what you did: you know nothing about piercings..
Jeff The Naked Guy
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Jeff The Naked Guy
> ahhh so if everyone put their head in a toilet, would you do the same?
So since everyone you know goes to that church - you have to??
> I would suggest you not base your behavior on what other people do and be
> your own person. Do what you feel is right.
Well maybe he is - get over it..
Jeff The Naked Guy
> I guess they are trying to make a statement. I have been going to
> Haulover several times a week for the last four years and I think I can
> make some generalizations about body decorations:
Actually you do a "dis-service" when you generalize.. That is one thing I
learned years ago while in my schooling years.. That has caused more
problems then finding out the truth about things.. I try not to "lump"
people into "groups" since there are always exceptions to the rules.. I
should know, I am an "exception to every rule"..
Jeff The Naked Guy
> I realize I'm probably getting off topic, but this still relates because
> this guy was playing with the ring that was impaled on his genitals.
"impaled"?? So he has a "piercing fetish".. Maybe, if you asked you could
have found out, he had just gotten it about a week or so before.. Of course
only you can give us an account, but there are more then three sides to
every story..
Jeff The Naked Guy
>>>Guys who wear cock rings and piercing type jewelry on their genitalia are
>>>either Gay or they are Swingers, or both.
>
> And you've done a survey and know that they are all gay or
> swingers.... not likely. You should not make assumptions that you
> can't back up.
True since most of the "gays" I know may have their ears pierced, but that
is it..
>>>Hulover, even though most of us
>>>think of it as a nude beach, is really more than that. It is a
<snip>
>>>they have pretty much taken over large sections of the beach. Haulover
>>>also
>
> That isn't true.
That is just her opinion, too bad she doesn't understand that most gays tend
to stay away from non-gays becuase of the way gay are normally treated by
non-gays..
> More misleading information.... many that go there don't have a clue
> what nudism is and don't use nudism as a cover because they couldn't
<snip>
> thing out of the ordinary but you wouldn't know because they don't
> wear signs on their foreheads saying they are swingers/gays.
Well if certain people had their way: you would be able tell everyone who is
gay or such by a marking they would be required to wear.. Oh wait, it isn't
them being gay is the problem, it is what they do in their BEDROOM that is
the problem..
> You are trying to pass on quite a bit of misinformation. Why?
Because she don't know how to speak truthfully..
>>>
>>>Real nudists don't usually wear any such doo-dads.
>
> More made up statements....
>
>>>
>>>On weekends go to the central part of Haulover and you will see families
>>>with
>>>kids, good wholesome gatherings. Of course there are sometimes
>>>pedophiles and
>>>perverts lurking around the family groups for whatever reason they alone
>>>know
>
> And you know that because..... (more made up information)
>
>>>best. But once you see the large groups of hetrosexual couples and
>>>groups with
>>>children you will see how the body jewelry readily sets the wears apart
>>>from real nudists.
>>>
>>>
>>thank you for an accurate report that tells the whole story. Those who are
>>thinking of going will now be able to make an informed decision.
>>Kathleen
>
> An accurate report? Paleeeze!
>
> What makes you think he's accurate?
>
> cyndiann
> www.mynudelife.com
--
Jeff The Naked Guy
>> thank you for an accurate report that tells the whole story. Those who
>> are thinking of going will now be able to make an informed decision.
>> Kathleen
>
> And when were YOU last at Haulover?
I seriously doubt she has been to Haulover in years, if at all.. Of course
that is just my opinion, and we all have opinions (just glad mine are more
factualy then her's are)..
Jeff The Naked Guy
> I think we humans (either nude or textile), should have freedom of choice
> in
> how we decorate our bodies. I think the type of decoration you describe
I would agree Bill since i have been through the tattoo process 6 times..
What's next: people with tattoos are banned from naturist/nudist
activities??
El Dorado Hot Spring
Dear Rev,
Reverend Lovejoy <pap...@remove-these-words.rpi.edu> wrote in message
news:hYzpa.14167$xR4....@nwrdny03.gnilink.net...
> But to the
> extent that people do choose to wear jewelry, there is no fundamental
> difference between a cock ring and an earing, as a person wearing earings
> (or no jewelry at all for that matter) is just as capable of sexual
behavior
> as a person wearing a cock ring. Any difference is between the two body
> ornaments exists solely in the mind of the observer.
Not. The two rings may have little or no difference between them, but the
person wearing genital jewelry is FAR more likely to exhibit publicly sexual
behavior than the person wearing only ear jewelry. The wearing of a cock
ring tells much about a person's MO or intentions. However, only people who
are aware of what's going on, such as JayMagoo and others, are able to see
these differences.
C&B
Kathleen
>person wearing genital jewelry is FAR more likely to exhibit publicly sexual
>behavior than the person wearing only ear jewelry. The wearing of a cock
>ring tells much about a person's MO or intentions. However, only people who
>are aware of what's going on, such as JayMagoo and others, are able to see
>these differences.
>
>C&B
>
Kathleen
>your nose, eh?. Now that would be worth razing someone about. :-)
>
>Floyd
>
come on out to CA. There are quite a few people who wear rings in their noses.
;-)
jon...@webtv.net
Dolphin1959
> will ever end.....i dont think it will.....if you dont think it will
> what is your purpose in continuing your wanting to be naked on the nude
> beach ...when there is other options available to you.....on private
> property........how does your wife feel....if you continue to submit
> yourself and your wife to this unwanted behavior.....then maybe down
> deep you like it........this is beyond your control...as there is
> another guy behind this guy to take his place.......i have never
> returned to a place that was offensive and beyond my control.....is this
> not the american way......jonZeee.
These posts are typical. Kathleen says "thank you for the honesty
about what you observed at Haulover". Allnude rejoinders "Kathleen
when have YOU last been to Haulover". The very next poster, Tim, says
that he just went to Haulover last Friday and observed blatant sexual
behavior. johns says denials of this behavior are typical of the "cult
nudists", and the behavior will never end at public nude beaches or
other nudist venues. The denials by the "cult nudists" do spout forth
that this was only one man. But whether this was one man out of many
or really just one man is hard to ascertain.
I tend to agree with johnz on this issue, simply from what I have
observed at nude beaches and from many others posts on this group.
Overt sexual behavior is obviously way too prevalent many, if not
most, nude beaches and nude clubs. Here are three beaches that were
closed to nude bathing because of overt sexual behavior or aggressive
behavior by male "nudists": the southern part of Black's Beach (the
actual Black's Beach is the city part of the beach),Padaro Lane at
Summerland beach, near Santa Barbara, and Rincon (Bates Road), near
the Ventura/Santa Barbara county line. There are many others that
were closed for the same reason. A gay man at that part of Summerland
beach told me how much he missed being able to watch other men
publicly perform oral sex on the beach. Small wonder it was closed.
Nude beaches don't have more sex than textile beaches? Give me a
break.If anyone can tell me a single textile beach that got its status
changed in any way because of public sex on the beach, I would love to
hear about it.
And I don't even have a problem about sex at these nudist venues, if
it is stated up front, although they will eventuallly cause the
closure of any nude beach. But it just is not for me. But I would have
to say, that displays of public sex do seem to be an attraction for
many nudists. Maybe it is only a few, but it takes only a few to close
these places. From Kathleen's posts, I am truly glad I have never
gone to a nudist club. I do know that Swallows, outside of San Diego,
used to have a special room for people interested in orgies. Yucchh!!
That is the reason I never went there.
That is why I would never consider myself a nudist--far too many are
into sex with strangers for me. I don't know if it is a minority or
a majority, but either way, I find it distasteful. I feel the same
way about gay bathhouses.
But I do not deny that they exist.
Why pretend it does not happen? Lots of people would be what is
considered by many on this board to be "true nudists" on occasion and
engage in nude recreation at one time or another. However, the
difference between them and people here, is that most of them do it
relatively privately and would never do it in public.
They have no interested in creepy men leering at them, masturbating,
or watching overt sexual behavior by single men, homosexual couples,
or heterosexual couples. And they have no interested in watching men
prance back and forth with cock rings, swingers, or other people
cruising for sex with strangers. But if they find a place that is a
little more public, where nudity is tolerated, without all the
problems of many of these other places, they usually keep it to
themselves.
Mike J Oropeza
> Not. The two rings may have little or no difference between them, but the
> person wearing genital jewelry is FAR more likely to exhibit publicly sexual
> behavior than the person wearing only ear jewelry.
Is being "far more likely to exhibit sexual behavior" the same thing as
"exhibiting sexual behavior"? If it is, then you have a point. People
that shave their faces also meet this test in my experience. Deciding
that someone will offend you based upon their appearance is called
prejudice.
> The wearing of a cock
> ring tells much about a person's MO or intentions. However, only people who
> are aware of what's going on, such as JayMagoo and others, are able to see
> these differences.
The *difference* you highlight is a likelihood of offensive behavior.
What's the problem if someone is wearing genital jewelry but is behaving
appropriately?
Let's embrace our cultural diversity. That doesn't mean accepting
offensive behavior, but it means actually learning what a person's
intentions are before deciding it based on their jewelry.
--
Mike J Oropeza
Those who hear not the music, think the dancers mad ~{°¿°}~
Red White & Blue Beach - http://redwhiteandbluebeach.com/
Kathleen
>offensive behavior, but it means actually learning what a person's=20
>intentions are before deciding it based on their jewelry.
>Mike
Mike, when you have lived and worked in the nudist industry as long as Bill
Pennington and Camilla Van Sickle have, you will have learned that certain
things cause your raidar to be more alert. He is trying to protect his guests
and he does a darn good job at weeding out the problem people.
So many times Bill took one look at a person and told me to keep my eye out. I
said OH GIVE ME A BREAK and didn't think he knew what he was talking about but
EVERYTIME Bill was right. I talked him into giving some people a chance and
every time I was wrong. I learned a lot from Bill on how to prespot potential
trouble.
Kathleen
"Bad Boys Bad Boys What cha gonna do when they come for you.... ;-)"
Kathleen
Worth reposting. I wish I were so articulate. Good post.
AND the exact reasons I don't consider myself a nudist.
I love being nude at home and when it is really hot in the backyard--I love to
skinnydip privately or among trusted friends or at very select hot springs, but
that is about it now after all I have experienced.
NakedinNH
there are Men with there cock rings and some have piercings (prince
alberts). And some men not many may take a tug or two on there penisis. But
has anyone stoped to think that they are putting suntan lotion on? or is it
just a quick look over your shoulder and its " OH MY GOD!!! that guy is
looking at me and playing with himself"? No one ever mentions the Strippers
that hang out down by the volleyball net and soda trailer. Last time I was
there (January) they had piercings in places that would be considered
unchristian!!! If you are not being physicaly bothered (ie:men touching you)
let it drop. What difference does it make what they are or are not wearing
where??? Do some research If a gay male or swinger really wants to get some
action there are many other places that are easier to get to and have free
parking! I will probably be flamed for this long rambling post. Like I was
last week for slamming a homophobic.
Still Naked @ Freezing in NH
>"Jeff The Naked Guy"
wrote
>I seriously doubt she has been to Haulover in years, if at all.. Of course
> that is just my opinion, and we all have opinions (just glad mine are more
> factualy then her's are)..
"Jeff The Naked Guy" <jsi...@NO-SPAManp-inc.net> wrote in message
news:vafpksn...@corp.supernews.com...
cyndiann
wrote:
>>>I appreciate your proposed solution, but that's not a solution to me. Also,
>>>this was one guy out of many around us. He was the only one behaving in
>>>this way...if it were to become prevalent, then I probably would not return.
>>>I'm looking forward to discussing these issues with other naturists this
>>>weekend to see what their views are...although newsgroups are interesting,
>>>the anonymity does not lend itself to honest evaluation by the participants,
>>>IMHO.
>>>
>>>Tim
>>
>>Thank you for honestly saying that there was but one fellow not
>>behaving that day.
>>
>>cyndiann
>>www.mynudelife.com
>>
>>
>How does Tim know that he was the only one behaving in that way. He himself
>admitted he didn't see the man doing that but that his wife did. Maybe he
>didn't see others that were misbehaving too. So that person may not have been
>THE ONLY one misbehaving.
>He was just the only one that Tim knew of.
>Gosh, I sound like Jenny. YIKES.
Kathleen my poor dear, he was writing about his own experience at the
beach that day. I'm sorry you don't understand the concept but of
course he cannot speak for all activity on the beach but he surely can
write about what he personally experienced. He even states that he's
referring to the people around him, not every soul on the beach.
No, you don't sound like Jenny,,, she makes sense when she posts.
cyndiann
www.mynudelife.com
cyndiann
wrote:
Haulover is one of the few nude beaches that has people controlling
the behavior. Sure, there are thousands there on a nice weekend so
every little incident isn't stopped and some people aren't aware that
there is a mechanism in place to stop unwanted behavior, but all in
all Haulover does not have all the open sex that many other beaches
do. Patrols by the Beach Embasadors don't allow all that to happen. It
is all controlled.
The local government loves the nudists now because they (the Masons
and friends) stopped all the sex in the bushes. There are figures to
back this up.
On a side note, Richard Mason has informed me that the guys looking
for sex around the beach area are for the most part living
heterosexual lives and are not the nice gay crowd that attends the
beach on the north end.
Haulover has now been a legal nude beach for over ten years now and
there is no chance of it shutting down because of lewd behavior.
Anyone that lumps this beach in with most the other ones has obviously
not been there.
cyndiann
www.mynudelife.com
cyndiann
wrote:
>>Let's embrace our cultural diversity. That doesn't mean accepting=20
>>offensive behavior, but it means actually learning what a person's=20
>>intentions are before deciding it based on their jewelry.
>>--=20
>>Mike
>
>Mike, when you have lived and worked in the nudist industry as long as Bill
>Pennington and Camilla Van Sickle have, you will have learned that certain
>things cause your raidar to be more alert. He is trying to protect his guests
>and he does a darn good job at weeding out the problem people.
>So many times Bill took one look at a person and told me to keep my eye out. I
>said OH GIVE ME A BREAK and didn't think he knew what he was talking about but
>EVERYTIME Bill was right. I talked him into giving some people a chance and
>every time I was wrong. I learned a lot from Bill on how to prespot potential
>trouble.
>
Yeah, let's legitimize prejudice! "Hey he looks like trouble so watch
him like a hawk!"
So much for nudists accepting people as they are and not what they
look like.
cyndiann
www.mynudelife.com
Kathleen
>
>Masochistic? Overwhelmed by responsibility? Pleading for leadership?
>B&D slaves?
>
>Or do they just have a thing for bovines? :-)
>
>Floyd
>
>
I think they are trying to draw attention to all the kinky things they can do
with their nose... I see them yanking on them all the time. WINK
Kathleen
>him like a hawk!"
>
>So much for nudists accepting people as they are and not what they
>look like.
>
>cyndiann
>www.mynudelife.com
>
>
Sorry cyndiann, you work and live in the industry as long as Bill Pennington
and then I will take you seriously but you honestly don't have a clue.
Or maybe with Bill it is just a "takes one to know one" ;-)
Mike J Oropeza
> Mike, when you have lived and worked in the nudist industry as long as Bill
> Pennington and Camilla Van Sickle have, you will have learned that certain
> things cause your raidar to be more alert. He is trying to protect his guests
> and he does a darn good job at weeding out the problem people.
So, how many did he reject that would have been good citizens if they
were allowed to enter? Of course, you'll never know.
> So many times Bill took one look at a person and told me to keep my eye out. I
> said OH GIVE ME A BREAK and didn't think he knew what he was talking about but
> EVERYTIME Bill was right. I talked him into giving some people a chance and
> every time I was wrong. I learned a lot from Bill on how to prespot potential
> trouble.
This kind of disturbs me. Weeding out problem people can't be an exact
science without omniscience. If you deny entrance to someone because of
things like haircut or jewelry, you don't know if they would have been a
good citizen. Ejecting them for poor behavior, and banishing them from
future visits seems appropriate. Granted, club operators have the right
to choose who may enter their premises. I have been denied entrance to
places simply because I don't fit their model, and yet I behave with
courtesy and respect to others. It hurts to drive hours to be told I am
not good enough, or to face scrutinous questions that aren't the
interrogator's business.
cyndiann
<mi...@redwhiteandbluebeach.com> wrote:
>Kathleen wrote:
>> Mike, when you have lived and worked in the nudist industry as long as =
>Bill
>> Pennington and Camilla Van Sickle have, you will have learned that cert=
>ain
>> things cause your raidar to be more alert. He is trying to protect his =
>guests
>> and he does a darn good job at weeding out the problem people.=20
>
>So, how many did he reject that would have been good citizens if they=20
>were allowed to enter? Of course, you'll never know.
>
>> So many times Bill took one look at a person and told me to keep my eye=
> out. I
>> said OH GIVE ME A BREAK and didn't think he knew what he was talking ab=
>out but
>> EVERYTIME Bill was right. I talked him into giving some people a chance=
> and
>> every time I was wrong. I learned a lot from Bill on how to prespot pot=
>ential
>> trouble.
>
>This kind of disturbs me. Weeding out problem people can't be an exact=20
>science without omniscience. If you deny entrance to someone because of=20
>things like haircut or jewelry, you don't know if they would have been a =
>
>good citizen. Ejecting them for poor behavior, and banishing them from=20
>future visits seems appropriate. Granted, club operators have the right=20
>to choose who may enter their premises. I have been denied entrance to=20
>places simply because I don't fit their model, and yet I behave with=20
>courtesy and respect to others. It hurts to drive hours to be told I am=20
>not good enough, or to face scrutinous questions that aren't the=20
>interrogator's business.
>--=20
I firmly believe as you do.... people should be judged on behavior and
not looks or anything else.
cyndiann
www.mynudelife.com
Kathleen
>were allowed to enter? Of course, you'll never know.
He gave everyone a chance. Read my post again. He just kept a closer eye on or
asked me or someone else to those that might be troublemakers. Instead of
reading a book in between checking people in, we would go soak with them to
make sure everything was ok for everyone. I NEVER said he refused anyone by the
way they looked--I said he was more cautious with certain people and kept them
in his or other employees eye view.
>>>This kind of disturbs me. Weeding out problem people can't be an exact=20
>science without omniscience. If you deny entrance to someone because of=20
>things like haircut or jewelry, you don't know if they would have been a =
>
>good citizen.>>>
Once again, you have problems with your reading--I said he told me to KEEP AN
EYE on them--he never told me not to let them in.
>> Ejecting them for poor behavior, and banishing them from=20
>future visits seems appropriate. Granted, club operators have the right=20
>to choose who may enter their premises. I have been denied entrance to=20
>places simply because I don't fit their model, and yet I behave with=20
>courtesy and respect to others. It hurts to drive hours to be told I am=20
>not good enough, or to face scrutinous questions that aren't the=20
>interrogator's business.
>--=20
>Mike J Oropeza
>Those who hear not the music, think the dancers mad ~{=B0=BF=B0}~
>Red White & Blue Beach - http://redwhiteandbluebeach.com/
>
>
>
Mike, I have never seen him deny anyone entrance unless they were drunk or had
previous bad behavior. If they were suspicious he just kept a close eye on
people and didn't let them be alone with other guests until he was relatively
sure they could act corrrectly around them--instead he would soak with them or
have myself or Camilla--someone who could monitor things.
Mike J Oropeza
> mike>So, how many did he reject that would have been good citizens if they
>
> He gave everyone a chance. Read my post again.
I'm sorry I misunderstood. A closer reading didn't help because it still
sounded like it was the instances where you cajoled him to let someone
in that failed and that he was blocking them otherwise. It seemed your
response was to this question:
> What's the problem if someone is wearing genital jewelry but is
> behaving appropriately?
I suspect nobody will be able to give a good answer to this.
--
Mike J Oropeza
Those who hear not the music, think the dancers mad ~{°¿°}~
5lb...@urthlurk.not
> Floyd ....i have control here....jonZeee
You wish. Your cult consists of Kathleen. Beyond that, you control
nothing. Now go enjoy your Koolaid.
Roger Pickering
> on
> > the beach.
>
> It's no more necessary to wear one than to wear clothes at all, people do
it
> for fashion (which, personally, is a motivation I'll never understand).
>
> Why wear jewelry at all to the beach, nude or otherwise? Personally,
between
> the sand, water, and the likelihood of loosing it, body ornaments of any
> kind seem like a silly thing to have at a beach, to me at least. But to
the
> extent that people do choose to wear jewelry, there is no fundamental
> difference between a cock ring and an earing, as a person wearing earings
> (or no jewelry at all for that matter) is just as capable of sexual
behavior
> as a person wearing a cock ring. Any difference is between the two body
> ornaments exists solely in the mind of the observer.
>
The real question is why should they have to take it out when going to the
beach.
I happen to like my cock ring and the way it looks and the way it feels.
I've used
it to keep my car key on at a nude beach because I was afraid someone might
take it if I left it with my towel. I did not want to carry the key around
and take the
chance of loosing it.
I am NOT gay and I am NOT a swinger. I got my ring before I became a
nudist and keep it because I liked how it felt. I do not engage in
inappropriate
sexual behaviour at the beach or anywhere else. In fact I am one of the
few,
it seems, that will approach those engaging in such behaviour.
Please do not generalize or pass judgement on some just because of their
jewelry.
(This message is written as a general reply to the group and not to this
individual post).
Thanks,
Roger
Original Guy
"Roger Pickering" wrote:
> It is important to remember that people who wear body jewelry
> wear it 24-7. The real question is why should they have to take
> it out when going to the beach. I happen to like my cock ring
> and the way it looks and the way it feels.
OK, I gotta ask. 1) What do you do about the white line
around your otherwise suntanned penis? 2) What happens
when you get an erection (or *want* to get an erection? Does
you penis get strangled?
~Reggie~
JayMagoo
>Well, I have a cock ring and I'm NOT gay and I'm NOT a swinger. I got my
>ring
>before I became a nudist and really for the heck of it. I've enjoyed it
>sexually, but
>only in private with my wife. Most nudist resorts don't allow genital
>jewelry, but I
>can wear it at the beach. I've used my cock ring to hang my car key on
>because
>I was afraid of someone stealing it.
>Please don't generalize and assume just because someone has genital jewelry
>on
>that they are gay or a swinger.
>Roger
Congratulations, Roger,
You have decided to wear one for the pure and simple reason that you want to
make a fashion statement, and you will argue vociferously for your right to do
so. Well, I for one will not challenge that right. If you want to wear do-dads
on your dicky, bones in your nose, stick a pogo stick up your butt and bounce
on it, all because you think it's 'neat,' you have a right to do so.
However if a certain type of individual habitually hangs all kinds of junk and
jewelry from their dicky-birds, puts bones in their noses, and pogo sticks up
their butts, you run the risk of being thought of as being one of them. Of
course you can stop each and every person who you meet to explain to them that
they shouldn't generalize about your adornments and how they should not make
certain assumptions about you because you are thusly adorned.Maybe you should
just wear a sign, which will explain your position and will have the added
benefit of drawing even more attention to your genitalia. That too is your
right.
I, however, will insist upon my right to make any generalizations I want to
make about dudes who have rings-and-things hanging from pierced holes on their
wango. That is my right, too.
Thanks for your truely empty-headed post, Roger. And thank you for giving me a
good laugh. I needed that!
If your post was a put-on, it was good, you fooled a lot of people. If you are
serious, that's all the more reason to laugh.
Magoo
John Smith
hangs do-dangs), I think considerably less of Magoo for trying to assert his
generalization as something of significance in my life. I would engage Roger
in a conversation and ignore Magoo anyday.
"JayMagoo" <jaym...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20030426054456...@mb-m16.aol.com...
JayMagoo
>in a conversation and ignore Magoo anyday.
Thanks, john smith. You have saved me the trouble of trying to ignore you. I
always am grateful when booring, tiresome, or tedious people recognize in
advance that I don't want to talk to them.
Kathleen
El Dorado Hot Spring
The Fool K'ook's various lies report having been to only one nude beach or
having been to hundreds. It just depends on which lie is being spouted at
what time.
Haulover is a great nude beach = we know, having been there many times.
cyndiann
> jus...@intrepid.net writes:
>
>
>>Well, I have a cock ring and I'm NOT gay and I'm NOT a swinger. I got my
>>ring
>>before I became a nudist and really for the heck of it. I've enjoyed it
>>sexually, but
>>only in private with my wife. Most nudist resorts don't allow genital
>>jewelry, but I
>>can wear it at the beach. I've used my cock ring to hang my car key on
>>because
>>I was afraid of someone stealing it.
>
>>Please don't generalize and assume just because someone has genital jewelry
>>on
>>that they are gay or a swinger.
>
>>Roger
>
>Congratulations, Roger,
>
>You have decided to wear one for the pure and simple reason that you want to
>make a fashion statement, and you will argue vociferously for your right to do
>so. Well, I for one will not challenge that right. If you want to wear do-dads
>on your dicky, bones in your nose, stick a pogo stick up your butt and bounce
>on it, all because you think it's 'neat,' you have a right to do so.
>
>However if a certain type of individual habitually hangs all kinds of junk and
>jewelry from their dicky-birds, puts bones in their noses, and pogo sticks up
>their butts, you run the risk of being thought of as being one of them.
That is the problem of the one with the prejudice attitude, not the
one with the jewelry.
>Of
>course you can stop each and every person who you meet to explain to them that
>they shouldn't generalize about your adornments and how they should not make
>certain assumptions about you because you are thusly adorned.Maybe you should
>just wear a sign, which will explain your position and will have the added
>benefit of drawing even more attention to your genitalia. That too is your
>right.
>
>I, however, will insist upon my right to make any generalizations I want to
>make about dudes who have rings-and-things hanging from pierced holes on their
>wango. That is my right, too.
>
>Thanks for your truely empty-headed post, Roger. And thank you for giving me a
>good laugh. I needed that!
Thanks for showing me what an asshole is Magoo.
cyndiann
www.mynudelife.com
cyndiann
wrote:
Why do you consider it funny when people are called names and made fun
of? You have a strange sense of what is truly funny.
El Dorado Hot Spring
It's good to have you back -- we need sensible posters like you in this
group.
Mike J Oropeza:
>Let's embrace our cultural diversity. That doesn't mean accepting
offensive behavior, but it means actually learning what a person's
intentions are before deciding it based on their jewelry.
Yes, well put. We didn't mean to judge a person on appearance. What we did
mean was that the appearance of a person can (*sometimes*) be an accurate
indicator that offensive behavior is in the offing.
Camilla
El Dorado Hot Spring
Dear Mike,
Mike J Oropeza <mi...@redwhiteandbluebeach.com> wrote in message
news:vahpvth...@corp.supernews.com...
Kathleen wrote:
> Mike, when you have lived and worked in the nudist industry as long as
Bill
> Pennington and Camilla Van Sickle have, you will have learned that certain
> things cause your raidar to be more alert. He is trying to protect his
guests
> and he does a darn good job at weeding out the problem people.
Mike:
>So, how many did he reject that would have been good citizens if they
were allowed to enter?
None. Zero. All are welcome, unless they're Virginia Reel drunk.
> So many times Bill took one look at a person and told me to keep my eye
out. I
> said OH GIVE ME A BREAK and didn't think he knew what he was talking about
but
> EVERYTIME Bill was right. I talked him into giving some people a chance
and
> every time I was wrong. I learned a lot from Bill on how to prespot
potential
> trouble.
This kind of disturbs me. Weeding out problem people can't be an exact
science without omniscience. If you deny entrance to someone because of
things like haircut or jewelry, you don't know if they would have been a
good citizen.
Again, no one was or is ever denied entrance based on appearance.
> Ejecting them for poor behavior, and banishing them from
future visits seems appropriate. Granted, club operators have the right
to choose who may enter their premises. I have been denied entrance to
places simply because I don't fit their model, and yet I behave with
courtesy and respect to others. It hurts to drive hours to be told I am
not good enough, or to face scrutinous questions that aren't the
interrogator's business.
We ask no questions. In fact, the more unusual a person looks or appears is
a source of interest and oftentimes they turn out to be the most interesting
and best behaved guests. So, Mike, come on out and let's become closer
friends.
C&B
Kathleen
beach or
>having been to hundreds. It just depends on which lie is being spouted at
>what time.
show me where I EVER said I had ever been to more than one nude beach on the
ocean? The only one I have ever been to was Pirate's Cove by Pismo Beach in CA.
Kathleen
I have never been to Haulover. I haven't a clue even where it is.
Kathleen
>Date: 4/27/03 9:22 AM Pacific Daylight Time
>Message-id: <da5bab6ca9d4c30ff986aab28160e226@TeraNews>
>of? You have a strange sense of what is truly funny.
>
>
El Dorado Hot Spring
Dear Mike,
Mike J Oropeza <mi...@redwhiteandbluebeach.com> wrote in message
news:vail1gn...@corp.supernews.com...
> What's the problem if someone is wearing genital jewelry but is
> behaving appropriately?
> I suspect nobody will be able to give a good answer to this.
We'll try. There is no problem if someone is wearing genital jewelry. In
fact, two of our most frequent guests (one of each gender) wear genital
jewelry.
Interesting note: The man who formerly had no cock piercing always soaked
in the common nude area and walked around casually and socially nude, as is
the norm. Since he had the piercing done, now he always soaks in one of the
private areas and walks about wrapped in a towel, kind of a silly situation.
C&B
cyndiann
wrote:
>>> > And when were YOU last at Haulover?
>
>I have never been to Haulover. I haven't a clue even where it is.
>Kathleen
You don't have a clue what goes on there either.
cyndiann
www.mynudelife.com
Jeff The Naked Guy
> wrote:
>>I have never been to Haulover. I haven't a clue even where it is.
cyndiann replied:
> You don't have a clue what goes on there either.
That is her problem - has not idea on anything other then what happens in
her small minded world.. Sounds like the dotnumbnutzguy also, do you
agree??
I know I was attacked for needing help, but think she has a bigger need for
it then I ever will..
Kathleen
>>Kathleen
>
>You don't have a clue what goes on there either.
>cyndiann
Nope, I sure don't. I just have to take the word of the people that post here
about it.
Richard Robertson
"El Dorado Hot Spring" <HotS...@El-Dorado.com> wrote in message
news:b8h0tt$6b8$1...@slb6.atl.mindspring.net...
C&B, based strictly on the posts I've read here are a pleasant couple and DO
try to think things through. I hope to see there place someday soon myself.
Kathleen
and DO
>try to think things through. I hope to see there place someday soon myself.
>
Bill is a workaholic and has done a wonderful job on the place. it is charming,
unique, a delight.
Mike J Oropeza
> Dear Mike,
>
> It's good to have you back -- we need sensible posters like you in this
> group.
Thanks.
>
> Mike J Oropeza:
>
>>Let's embrace our cultural diversity. That doesn't mean accepting
>>offensive behavior, but it means actually learning what a person's
>>intentions are before deciding it based on their jewelry.
>
> Yes, well put. We didn't mean to judge a person on appearance. What we did
> mean was that the appearance of a person can (*sometimes*) be an accurate
> indicator that offensive behavior is in the offing.
People tend to live up to what we expect of them.
cyndiann
<jsi...@NO-SPAManp-inc.net> wrote:
>> On 27 Apr 2003 16:56:59 GMT, okeef...@aol.com (Kathleen)
>> wrote:
>>>I have never been to Haulover. I haven't a clue even where it is.
>
>cyndiann replied:
>> You don't have a clue what goes on there either.
>
>That is her problem - has not idea on anything other then what happens in
>her small minded world.. Sounds like the dotnumbnutzguy also, do you
>agree??
>
>I know I was attacked for needing help, but think she has a bigger need for
>it then I ever will..
>
>--
>Jeff The Naked Guy
And you don't even know about the incidents with her in Cybernude....
she's quite the mischief maker!
cyndiann
www.mynudelife.com
where there are no games
Wendell L. Ladner
What the general public perceives. That is why we have
nudist resort and beaches and regular resorts and beaches.
Nudism is perceived by many, thank god not all, as having
something to do with SEX when indeed its just NATURAL and
should be nothing more.
People with Tattoos use to get the slanted evil eye
from those without tattoos just because. Many men were
placed into hard core biker's or mean Army brats just
because they wore a tattoo. And recently, as girls began
to favor belly pierces we find them labeled as whores or
something close to that - when indeed that was not the
case everytime. It's what the general public perceives
and how each case is taken. For Instance, Iraqians and
Iranians on planes are closely examined these days and
are avoided at all cost - take my word.
I am a bit more liberal about these things. I feel if
a young lady can allow her feminine hygiene string to
dangle out (as is normally the case) then why not allow
anything to dangle out from anywhere. In fact, go ahead
and make art of such. Hanging jewelry be it from a skin
piercing or from within the body itself. Just as long
as it was CLEAN and presented no health problems to those
people around it. No limits, let it all hang out, as they
say. However, for the male they may be a limit to the
side effect it may have on his manhood - as semi or full
erections are still (perceived) as incorrect at most
nudist sites. Yes, I know I am stepping into the weird
and farout corner of the world, but we are already off
track from the "normal untouched human body" anyway.
Again, the bottom line to much of this debate is the
famous SEX word. Regardless of what or what they may
not present in, on, or around their body; if they any-
way project themselves in a sexual manner than they are
off base and need to go somewhere else. Nudist sites
are like any other beach or park and people should
behave themselves with that in mind and the only
exception is we are enjoying the day Naturally. Just
my two cents and a nickel.
BarelyThar
Kathleen
>
>she's quite the mischief maker!
>
>cyndiann
Cyndiann, YOU are quite the mischeif maker.
I had one disagreement with Cheri that led to two different days of a problem
on my part.
YOU, however have been causing problems on cybernude for YEARS and have even
been ousted.
igau...@hotmail.com
one.
On 24 Apr 2003 21:59:29 GMT, okeef...@aol.comnojunk (Kathleen)
wrote:
>>Let's embrace our cultural diversity. That doesn't mean accepting=20
>>offensive behavior, but it means actually learning what a person's=20
>>intentions are before deciding it based on their jewelry.
>>--=20
>>Mike
>
>Mike, when you have lived and worked in the nudist industry as long as Bill
>Pennington and Camilla Van Sickle have, you will have learned that certain
>things cause your raidar to be more alert. He is trying to protect his guests
>and he does a darn good job at weeding out the problem people.
>So many times Bill took one look at a person and told me to keep my eye out. I
>said OH GIVE ME A BREAK and didn't think he knew what he was talking about but
>EVERYTIME Bill was right. I talked him into giving some people a chance and
>every time I was wrong. I learned a lot from Bill on how to prespot potential
>trouble.
>
Kathleen
>in the common nude area and walked around casually and socially nude, as is
>the norm. Since he had the piercing done, now he always soaks in one of the
>private areas and walks about wrapped in a towel, kind of a silly situation.
>
>C&B
>
Jeff The Naked Guy
> And you don't even know about the incidents with her in Cybernude....
>
> she's quite the mischief maker!
Among other things I have been told.. Go figure..
--
Jeff The Naked Guy
Must remember to add 'rm /bin/conservative' to my CRON
Roger Pickering
"Cock Ring". There is no tan line and no problem with having an
errection - in fact it is great when having sex, which is one reason I have
kept it.
Roger
"Original Guy" <Reggie_Gu...@Yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:FPoqa.40941$ey1.3...@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net...
>
> "Roger Pickering" wrote:
> > It is important to remember that people who wear body jewelry
> > wear it 24-7. The real question is why should they have to take
> > it out when going to the beach. I happen to like my cock ring
> > and the way it looks and the way it feels.
>
>
> OK, I gotta ask. 1) What do you do about the white line
> around your otherwise suntanned penis? 2) What happens
> when you get an erection (or *want* to get an erection? Does
> you penis get strangled?
>
>
> ~Reggie~
JayMagoo
>leave the beach.
beach ambassadors are at Haulover only on weekends, and not on every weekend.
During the week the best strategy is to pick a spot near a middle-aged
hetrosexual couple, preferably as tame looking as you can find, that way you
increase the odds that you won't be bothered by some perv playing with himself
in front of your girlfriend.
Jenny6833A
>During the week the best strategy is to pick a spot near a middle-aged
>hetrosexual couple, preferably as tame looking as you can find, that way you
>increase the odds that you won't be bothered by some perv playing with
>himself
>in front of your girlfriend.
What are the odds of that happening if one does as you say?
What are the odds if one doesn't?
:-)
Jenny
(who is not a regular at Haulover, but who has been there perhaps a dozen times
without seeing anything worse than a few clothed guys walking along the wet
sand -- which didn't seem bad at all)
Before emailing, remove Clothes
JayMagoo
evidence to support your charge, and then you resort to name-calling yourself.
Methinks the lady doth protest too much.
Magoo
JayMagoo
>Date: 5/3/03 11:58 PM Eastern Daylight Time
>Message-id: <20030503235818...@mb-m15.aol.com>
Sorry, Luv, I'm not an odd-maker, despite my using a colloquialism that the
literal-minded might take to indicate that I am. I am, however, a regular at
Haulover for the last four years, weekdays and weekends, and I have devised a
few informal strategies that insure that my visits there will be peaceful and
friendly, and uninterrupted by some of those types who you have not yet seen.
They are there, believe me. The few clothed guys waling along the wet sand are
probably not bad at all, relatively benign, as you suggest. But in the real
world of Haulover Beach there are others who are best avoided at all cost.
cyndiann
When there are no Beach Embassadors you can go to a lifeguard just the
same.
cyndiann
www.mynudelife.com
JayMagoo
>Date: 5/5/03 12:22 AM Eastern Daylight Time
>Message-id: <28c0f759af384086501845c6db53c745@TeraNews>
I don't want to get into a quibbling match about the lifeguards at Haulover,
many of whom appear to be sincere, dedicated young men and women. But not all
of them respond to complaints of lewd behavior with the same degree of
enthusiasm. Several do, notably a young man named Brian at the lifeguard
station nearest to the main entrance at Haulover, who is bright, articulate and
a man who takes all aspects of his job seriously.
Others, however are not as enthusiastic as Brian. One or two speak English as
a second language, if at all. While I applaud them for trying to better their
lives by moving to the US, I would hope that one in a service position like a
lifeguard would be better able to understand what those whose lives he is
guarding might try to tell him.
To avoid the situation where I might have to run to the lifeguards to complain
of offensive behavior, I just avoid the infrequent incident of offensive
behavior simply by some defensive behavior. As I've seen, some of the
offensive behavior is so carefully executed by the offenders that they could
give themselves an out merely by saying that their positioning near your
daughter or wife was accidential.
For example there is a family we have seen there many times in the past four
years who have twin daughters of about 12 years. Yesterday the girls were
playing on the beach and about six grown men "just happened" to put their beach
towels down close enough where each of the six grown men had a clear view of
the girls.
Were they gawking at the children? To us they clearly were.
Would we say anything to them? No. Could anybody complain? Probably not.
Each of the gawkers was careful not to get too close to the girls and not to be
overtly playing with himself. But the children were clearly uncomfortable with
seeing half a dozen grown men lying in a close circle around them watching
their every move.
It's unfortunate that things like that happen. That undoubtedly will have an
effect on the children. And unfortunately there was nothing that could be done
about it, given the ready-made excuses each of the grown men had, and given
their mobility and tendency to quickly move on if someone approached. But they
are there and they are a constant nuisance.
My defensive behavior consists of checking things out beforehand. When I go to
the beach with my girlfriend I avoid situations like that by carefully choosing
the spot we sit in and then by carefully positioning our beach chairs.
Richard and Shirley Mason and their group have done wonders in making Haulover
a nice place to visit. But since Haulover is a public beach, much of what
happens is still up to us and there is always room for by some careful
circumspection.
jon...@webtv.net
years who have twin daughters of about 12 years. Yesterday the girls
were playing on the beach and about six grown men "just happened" to put
their beach towels down close enough where each of the six grown men had
a clear view of the girls.
Were they gawking at the children? To us they clearly were.
Would we say anything to them? No. Could anybody complain? Probably not.
Each of the gawkers was careful not to get too close to the girls and
not to be overtly playing with himself. But the children were clearly
Magoo.......before you take us down this la la land parkway......i will
show some respect for doing my reality check on mon morning and the
worst can be out the way later for everyone to enjoy their nude
weekend.......UNCOMFORTABLE HUH.....so would any woman man or
whore.........but such subjects could have left home where they were
playing and naked with adults parents or strangers and enjoying sex as
some nudist children do and could be obsessed with sex.....those pedos
are merely acting as opportunist to the scene......lets see who all is
guilty........if my scenario is true......the parents for exposing their
children to nudity....the nudist with their flawed nudist
philosophy.......the naked folks on the beach that are exposing their
naked bodies......the children that can and do act out the
exhibitionist language.....AND OF COURSE THE PEDO OPPORTUNIST....enjoy
jonZeee
JayMagoo
>Date: 5/5/03 12:45 PM Eastern Daylight Time
>Message-id: <7557-3EB...@storefull-2351.public.lawson.webtv.net>
>
===================================== my my
>Magoo.......before you take us down this la la land parkway......i will
>show some respect for doing my reality check on mon morning and the
>worst can be out the way later for everyone to enjoy their nude
>weekend.......UNCOMFORTABLE HUH.....so would any woman man or
>whore.........but such subjects could have left home where they were
>playing and naked with adults parents or strangers and enjoying sex as
>some nudist children do and could be obsessed with sex.....those pedos
>are merely acting as opportunist to the scene......lets see who all is
>guilty........if my scenario is true......the parents for exposing their
>children to nudity....the nudist with their flawed nudist
>philosophy.......the naked folks on the beach that are exposing their
>naked bodies......the children that can and do act out the
>exhibitionist language.....AND OF COURSE THE PEDO OPPORTUNIST....enjoy
>jonZeee
>
>
la la land parkway? If I understand your post, it looks to me as though you
are saying that the pedophiles are to be understood because they are merely
acting as opportunists.(?) Is that what you're saying, jonzee?
Are you also saying, jonzee, that the parents are guilty because they are
exposing their children to nudity? -- because the philosophy of nudism is
flawed?
are you also saying the children are guilty because they were acting out the
exhibitionist language?
That sounds to me like the self-justification of a pedophile, johzee/ The
pedophile and classic child molester often blames the child for tempting him
with their "exhibitionism."
is that what you're saying, jonzee?
Those innocent children playing in the sunshine on the beach, jonzee, are you
blaming them for tempting the pedophiles just by being there?
Is that what you're saying, Jonzee?????
Your post makes you sound like a pedophile, jonzee. Is that really what you
meant to say????
jon...@webtv.net
jaym...@aol.com (JayMagoo)
Date: 5/5/03 12:45 PM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id: <7557-3EB...@storefull-2351.public.lawson.webtv.net>
representative of the cult nudist that state we are innocent when we
expose ourselves naked to the child....and when we let the child be
naked to also expose we are also innocent........so is that what you
really meant to say.....the CPS and a bunch of textiles agree with me
...that you are guility and so is the cult nudism philosophy......and
as you should have noted in the above post..... i said the pedo was
guilty too....now the child learns early that their naked body has
value.....i am talking about the average child ...girl....of school
age.....but the child has no value system or morals....and doesnt know
what that is.....so we can excuse the child......though they know what
they are doing.......so are you asking as an adult to be excused......is
that what you really meant to say ....and you ask if i am trying to
justify the behavior of the pedo.....again see the above post where i
state the pedo is guilty also.....NO i am not trying to aquit anyone in
nudism....all are guilty......do you have a problem with that.......try
arguing with the prosecutor in travis co tx....or the us supreme court
justices that saw no reason to defend the family practice of taking
their children to a nude beach.........to take your children to hippie
hollow would be a violation of the colorado river authority
regulations....so if you are wrong in tx wouldnt it follow that you
would be wrong at haulover.........jonZeee
Richard C.
"JayMagoo" <jaym...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20030505135846...@mb-m07.aol.com...
: > jon...@webtv.net
=====================
Sure sounds like it............................
JayMagoo
the silliest topics.
And as the discussion digresses into the minutia of pros and cons about such an
innane topic as genital jewelry, the tempers get hot and the imsults fly.
Some of it was damn funny. I am amazed that people can take such simple-minded
topics as "cock rings" so seriously and not recognize satire and irony for what
it is.
Edit your posts before sending them. When you accuse someone of name-calling,
re-read what you are using as evidence and reconsider what you just said. And
don't indulge in name-calling yourself in the process.
One chap even suggested I belong in a madhouse because I lampooned someone's
oh-so-serious post about his constitutional right to wear genital jewelry and
to be taken seriously. I don't even take myself seriously when I'm acting
silly. Why should I take you seriously when you're acting silly?
Another chap wrote in oh-so-serious professorial pronouncements how no person
has a right to comment satirically on the behavior or heart-felt assertions of
others. Give me a break!!!
If a man is acting like a silly fool and demands he be treated with dignity,
that in itself makes him a huge target for satire.
Nobody really gives a damn if you want to decorate your body with tatoos or
punch holes in your epidermis and hang metal rings and things from them. You
are doing it for your own reasons, and if it attracts attention, then you will
get plenty of attention, some of it negative. Learn to live with it.
Geez. We are a serious bunch. Lighten up a bit, Huh???
Kathleen
>Date: 5/11/03 7:00 AM Pacific Daylight Time
>Message-id: <20030511100045...@mb-m20.aol.com>
jon...@webtv.net
for being the most on topic poster ever known to the naked world....call
your mom and confess that this business of social nakedness is not like
you have always reported it.....not too wholesome for children.....and
those behavioral scientist that appear to be pedophiles deserve some
credit for acknowledgeing all these nudist that deny cover up and lies
about the real truth about the SEX EXHIBITIONISM AND SEX SEX SEX THAT
====is the staple of nudism naturally in a clothed society......awh yeah
...hell you are gonna change the world....get everybody naked stop the
rape....stop the crime....stop all the sleasy businesses from operating
while leaving the grandpa of all in operation.....FAMILY
NUDISM......enjoy gu.....jonZeee
jon...@webtv.net
this day.....that i have been speaking of......up thru the seventies i
thought it might be possible....but then old hillary raised her ugly
feminist socialist... it takes a village crap and all the socialist
regulation regarding children ......CPS and the ...every man is rapist
idea.....well Floyd i must admit you are optimistic......jonZeee
JayMagoo
>Date: 4/23/03 11:24 PM Eastern Daylight Time
>Message-id: <3c10986b9fb54bd8d89516d0c97fa5e0@TeraNews>
>
>On 23 Apr 2003 19:51:36 GMT, okeef...@aol.comnojunk (Kathleen)
>wrote:
>
>>>From: jaym...@aol.com (JayMagoo)
>>>Date: 4/22/03 2:22 PM Pacific Daylight Time
>>>Message-id: <20030422172230...@mb-m10.aol.com>
>>>
>>>I guess they are trying to make a statement. I have been going to Haulover
>>>several times a week for the last four years and I think I can make some
>>>generalizations about body decorations:
>>>
>>>Guys who wear cock rings and piercing type jewelry on their genitalia are
>>>either Gay or they are Swingers, or both.
>
>And you've done a survey and know that they are all gay or
>swingers.... not likely. You should not make assumptions that you
>can't back up.
>
>>>Hulover, even though most of us
>>>think of it as a nude beach, is really more than that. It is a destination
>>>and
>>>meeting place for the large gay population of Miami and Broward Counties,
>and
>>>they have pretty much taken over large sections of the beach. Haulover
>also
>
>That isn't true.
Cyndiann, Cyndiann, Cyndiann, please, go there! See for yourself. The entire
north end of the beach, weekends and weekdays. Open your eyes, Luv. Please go
to Haulover and look! Only someone who was completely blind or who insisted on
not seeing could deny that.
>
>>>attracts a large number of swingers who try to hide their unsavory
>activities
>>>behind the rather unoffensive institution of nudism. People whose first
>>>purpose of being at a nude beach is sexual contacts, i.e. homosexuals and
>>>swingers, usually try to call attention to their genitalia.
>
>More misleading information.... many that go there don't have a clue
>what nudism is and don't use nudism as a cover because they couldn't
>if they wanted to. Homosexuals may or may not be there for making
>sexual contacts, you can't really say one way or another. Same with
>swingers... there are probably many there that are not doing a damn
>thing out of the ordinary but you wouldn't know because they don't
>wear signs on their foreheads saying they are swingers/gays.
>
There are several large groups of swingers who belong to a club called the
Trapeze club. Swingers, get it? They wear hats ant t-shirts with the word
Trapeze printed on it. They also talk loudly about their activities with each
other, engaging in a kind of obnoxious conversation with multiple references to
the various activities of the night before. There are many of them and they are
hard to miss. There are other groups of swingers who advertise their activities
among themselves loudly enough so all around them can hear.
>You are trying to pass on quite a bit of misinformation. Why?
>
>>>
>>>Real nudists don't usually wear any such doo-dads.
>
>More made up statements....
I may have been wrong there. I admit some "real nudists" have been hanging
some do-dads on themselves. However, they are still a minority of the nudist
population.
>
>>>
>>>On weekends go to the central part of Haulover and you will see families
>with
>>>kids, good wholesome gatherings. Of course there are sometimes pedophiles
>>>and
>>>perverts lurking around the family groups for whatever reason they alone
>know
>
>And you know that because..... (more made up information)
>
>>>best. But once you see the large groups of hetrosexual couples and groups
>>>with
>>>children you will see how the body jewelry readily sets the wears apart
>from
>>>real nudists.
>>>
>>>
>>thank you for an accurate report that tells the whole story. Those who are
>>thinking of going will now be able to make an informed decision.
>>Kathleen
>
>An accurate report? Paleeeze!
>
>What makes you think he's accurate?
>
>cyndiann
>www.mynudelife.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
Cyndiann, there is a different Haulover beach for each one of us. Apparently
your Haulover beach is the one that you would like Haulover to be. Perhaps my
Haulover beach is the same for me, but I also try to see it as it really is. I
didn't make that stuff up. I'm there nearly every day and I tried to report it
(albeit with general observations) pretty much as it is, not as I wished it
were. No, Luv, I did not take surveys. From having lived a few decades on this
planet I can make some observations based on my life experience that have
proven for the most part darn accurate.
Apparently the Haulover of your wishes is a fine and beautiful place. We'd all
prefer it to the real thing.
Just go there, Cyndiann, and open your eyes, Luv. You may have been there as
you suggest you have. But pull away the rose-colored glasses and try to see it
as it actually is.
JM