Adelle Shea speaks out
Albert Giesbrecht
I recieved this E-mail from Adelle Shea. I thought it would be apporpriate
to post it here(with her permission).
Visaman
---------------------------------------------
Your thread on rec.nude regarding was brought to my attention by a friend
and by a contributor on a forum I still attend. In one of you posts you
asked for a response from me. Although I don't involve myself in such
discussions anymore and though there will be a pretty good explanation in
the next GN mag I thought I might send a personal note.
I found some of the opinions interesting but, just for the record, my
parents were fully supportive; it was only my bio-mom who freaked as she
couldn't get past the naked pictures (child pornography???) of me. It was
all about leading by example and 'Hi, I' a nudist. Naked bodies are good but
naked pictures are bad.' would be hypocritical. Anyway, that's her baggage,
not mine but I was so messed by the whole thing I just shut everything down.
So I guess she wins, anyway.
Also, I never gave out my home address and ph# though I did supply three
e-mail addresses for contact. Like, I'm a total idiot? (or fucking stupid,
as my bio-mom put it) Yes, I did say I live in Alberta and anyone who wanted
could find out that was Edmonton (pop. about 1 mil) but no one went
a-stalking and I didn't get any (well, very few) weird e-mails. I choose
what to do and what to say and my parents helped me and offered their
opinions/criticisms the whole way. I also had some great input from some
members of the nudist community (especially Jan of netnude) who really
helped me fine tune my site. The version on the 'wayback' site was archived
when my site was still pretty raw (yes there were some links to 'adult'
material as I was trying to figure out were I was taking the 'occupational
sex' segment). Anyway, it's all history now. I am thinking about bringing it
back because it had such great info links but I (as in, my person) may be
less in-your-face. We'll see.
Regarding the Pedo thing? I've felt safer at nudist events, completely naked
and surrounded by equally naked people of both sexes and all ages, than I do
on the street. I've found that nudist kids know a lot more and are more
savvy than a lot of clothing dependent kids I've met and are no more (and
even less) sexually active. The only time I was ever sexually assaulted
(groped by some perv) my gf and I were fully clothed in autumn-wear and on a
busy street in front of my school/library. He paid (with pain) but the cops
didn't get him that I know of. Sickos, regardless of what age group they
prefer, attack people whether they are clothed or naked, on the street or in
their home or whatever. (Recently there were attacks here by some nut
including with the guy groping a girl in her own bed. He had never met them
and never seen them naked. He and the cops are now having a more personal
relationship.) I had quite the article on my site regarding pedophilia
(attraction to persons under 12) and hebophilia (attraction to persons
between 12 and 19 [roughly]); subjective, factual and not necessarily
negative. If someone got aroused by my pics and got a little honest pleasure
from them, fine, but that wasn't why they were there. Sex doesn't bother me
and nudity certainly doesn't but I am not a tease and not an exhibitionist
and not responsible for other peoples baggage (like that JonZ fellow).
Anyway, that's my two cents. If you want to post these to the newsgroup, go
ahead, just to clear the air. I don't do that any more.
Adelle
jon...@webtv.net
e-mail addresses for contact. Like, I'm a total idiot? (or fucking
stupid, as my bio-mom put it)
you have not been raised to be dignified and modest....as your bio mom
indicates with her foul language....and you might learn as you get older
that the clothed dignified and modest girls do not have a problem with
groping or molestation....of course this is assuming that you are not a
perverted little ol hunchback ....anyhow the creeps and perverts that
inhabit nudism is certainly not anything for a female to brag about and
rec nude is not a suitable place for a young lady...pre adult to
frequent....but if one has a whore for a mom and she is training her
daughter to be a whore....then family nudism and rec nude is the
greatest training in the world...jonZeee
Sylvia Else
jon...@webtv.net wrote:
> Also, I never gave out my home address and ph# though I did supply three
> e-mail addresses for contact. Like, I'm a total idiot? (or fucking
> stupid, as my bio-mom put it)
> ====================================== it is sad that young ladies like
> you have not been raised to be dignified and modest....as your bio mom
> indicates with her foul language...
jonZee, that mental contortion makes my head hurt. How do you do that
without giving yourself even more brain damage?
Sylvia.
Stuffed Tiger
<albertgi...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>Hello nudists
>
>I recieved this E-mail from Adelle Shea. I thought it would be apporpriate
>to post it here(with her permission).
>
>Visaman
>
Thank you Visaman, and thank you Adelle. What a great post, Adelle. As
a parent of three kids and now four grandkids, I want to thank you for
helping to make a better, saner world for us all. You are a credit to
the human race. I am sure you have helped many teens, particularly
non-nudists, and had fun doing it. Thank you so much.
Stuffed Tiger
Jeff Jenson
http://www.mapleleafweb.com/forums/lofiversion/index.php/t3015.html
RE: "NAKED teens on web a 'disturbing trend'," March 23. I am a
16-year-old girl and, call me deluded or deviant, I fail to see what is
so disturbing about a girl being comfortable enough with her body image
and sexuality to place a picture on a website or send one to a friend.
A girl in a bathing suit, a bra and panties or even nude is not
"sexually explicit," though some may consider it provocative. If I am
allowed to have sex at 14 then why can't I view sex at 14 or take
sexual pictures at 14?
Adelle Shea
Jeff Jenson
http://www.tera.ca/articles.html
In the summer of 2003, at the age of 14, I struck my first blow for
topfreedom by wearing only a bikini bottom at a beach at Gull Lake,
Alberta. Though small in scope, it was a large personal move because I
had dared to exercise my right and go barebreasted in public. I say
dared because, though legal, this is not yet socially acceptable, and I
could have "caused a disturbance" and been subjected to ridicule and
harassment, as so many women have in other places.
I dropped my top on our beach blanket next to my father and ran for the
water with my girlfriend (her top still on) beside me for moral
support. What would happen now? Was I ready for this? Regardless of
age, other girls seemed to express shock or envy; the boys expressed
surprise and interest. No one said anything to me, and no one called
the police.
One couple nearby smiled and gave me a thumbs up. There was only one
dissenting voice, a friend of my mother, who thought I was breaking
the law. It was my father who told her that it was legal in Canada for
a woman to go topfree anywhere a man could, and offered to show her the
proof when we got home. She didn't seem impressed; but I remained
topfree for the rest of our stay.
So I got away with it and am still getting away with it on a regular
basis. Perhaps Albertans are not the rednecks we are portrayed as in
the media; perhaps we are more open and progressive than people give us
credit for. Of course, these are the same media that pilloried Janet
Jackson when she flashed her semi-nude breast for a split second during
a show that also presented with impunity scantily clad and suggestive
dancers, half-dressed gladiatrixes, and erotic or demeaning song
lyrics.
Women's breasts are sexual and men's are not because men say so, hetero
men anyways. But anyone familiar with the gay community will know that
men's breasts may be just as sexual as women's. So why the controversy?
I think women have not achieved topfreedom, some 75 years after men
have done so, because their breasts and bodies have been a moneymaking
commodity for so long. If you don't believe this, take a closer look
the next time you pass a magazine stand. Women's sexualization is used
to sell everything from cars to candy bars. A financial resource of
this magnitude must be protected.
Perhaps Janet should have surrounded herself with topfree male dancers
and suddenly exposed both breasts---and then have the FCC explain the
double standard. That would have been "one giant leap"!
Note: the legality as mentioned above is probably correct for all of
Canada but has not been specifically established in some provinces,
including Alberta.
Jeff Jenson
http://www3.telus.net/public/jshea/borntobenude/defence.htm
For personal reasons I have chosen to end all activism and end all
participation in forums and all correspondence regarding nudism,
topfreedom and teen sexuality. I apologize if this is a disappointment
to my friends and fans but I would prefer, at this time, to remain a
private person rather than a public figure. Although I may choose to
take up the cause again at a future date my personal situation at this
time makes necessary a withdrawal from public activity. I am very
happy that I was able to be of some help to those who found my site
useful. I offer my thanks to all those who have offered support in the
past and hope that they will understand this decision. Thank you and
goodbye.
Adelle
Jeff Jenson
>From what I could tell Adelle is a slut. She equates nudism with sex
and used to from what I could tell (the links are gone) have nude
pictures of her and other underaged girls on a web site. Not only nude
photos but her and her friends wearing provocative underwear as well.
She also had written in an editorial she sees nothing wrong with 14
year old girls seeing and doing sexual stuff.
A very interesting topic here is "whose to blame" and when do we hold
someone acountable? She obviously had the misfortune of growing up in a
less than ideal family situation (to say the least). She was raised a
slut so can we blame her for how she turned out?
Well, perhaps no, but someday she will have to be held accountable for
her actions. And yes, I feel sorry that life seemed to place such a
burden on her early in life, but somehow she needs to overcome her
upbringing. It is very difficult I am sure but there is a time when
people have to stop blaming others for who they have become (as
legitimate as that blame seems to be in this case) and try to overcome
that and become something better.
Here's hoping that Adelle can fight her upbringing and stop being a
slut.
Jeff Jenson
I bet she will become pregnant before she hits 21.
Marsketa
without giving yourself even more brain damage?
He doesn't have a brain! Not only that but it is a pity his mother
didn't bring him up to be more of a gentleman than a perverted twisted
deviant!
Marsketa
Jeff Jenson
out were I was taking the 'occupational sex' segment."
See, what did I tell you. She equates nudity and sex. And after all she
says since she is already having sex why shouldn't she see sex?
Sick, sick thinking.
Adelle is a Slut. Perhaps it was the way she was raised. Perhaps it
isn't her fault. But it is her responsibility to do something about it
as it will only hurt her as she continues through life.
Jeff Jenson
" if someone got aroused by my pics and got a little honest pleasure
from them, fine..."
That's not the words of a nudist.
"Sex doesn't bother me..."
Sad, sad, sick little girl. It is terrible how some children are
brought up these days.
Jeff Jenson
Do you know who Adelle Shea is?
Jonz is right about how she was raised.
She is a 14 year old slut (though now I guess she is a 16 year old
slut).
This is really sad. It is sad how some children's upbringing really
harms them.
Marsketa
Jeff I find your use of this word very disgusting! How dare you make
such a value judgement on someone you hardly know? I suppose you
subscribe o the discriminatory notion that a boy who is exploring his
sexual identity at 14 is a "stud" but girls shouldn't have such
feelings? Well that is sexist and somewhat outdated in today's society.
Marsketa
Marsketa
discusting, judgemental buffoon who really needs a reality check before
you start calling anybody a "slut". It is sad how your oviously
intollerent religious upbringing has harmed you and made you into this
bitter twisted individual. Take your outdated moralistic views
elsewhere!
Marsketa
Marsketa
brought up these days.
Jeff SAD, SAD YOU! it is terrible that your parents brought you up to
be so intolerant of others and to j7udge others. Doesn't the bible say,
"Judge not lest you be judged"? and didn't jesus himself defend the
prostiute by saying "Let he, who is without sin cast the first stone"?
No these were not the words of a nudist, they were the words of an
honest and normal 14 (now 16) year old girl who is learning about her
sexuallity and about the world the hard way and she will probably turn
out to be a lovely adult eventually. And she is probably too smart to
fall pregnant. Hopefully she knows enough about contraception and safe
sex not to fall into those traps. It is the ignorant girls who fall
pregnant Jeff. Your concepts about women and sexuallity belong in the
dark ages!
Marsketa
Marsketa
Tell me Jeff, did you have sex before you were 21 years old? So by your
definition you would be a slut then wouldn't you?
Marsketa
Sylvia Else
Jeff Jenson wrote:
> Sylvia Else wrote:
>
>>jon...@webtv.net wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Also, I never gave out my home address and ph# though I did supply three
>>>e-mail addresses for contact. Like, I'm a total idiot? (or fucking
>>>stupid, as my bio-mom put it)
>>>====================================== it is sad that young ladies like
>>>you have not been raised to be dignified and modest....as your bio mom
>>>indicates with her foul language...
>>
>>jonZee, that mental contortion makes my head hurt. How do you do that
>>without giving yourself even more brain damage?
>>
>>Sylvia.
>
>
>
> " if someone got aroused by my pics and got a little honest pleasure
> from them, fine..."
>
> That's not the words of a nudist.
Aren't they? She's acknowleging that this may happen - as indeed it may
for any picture whatsoever. She's then saying that it's not something
that concerns her. In other words, it's not a sufficient reason not to
put the pictures there.
>
> "Sex doesn't bother me..."
>
> Sad, sad, sick little girl. It is terrible how some children are
> brought up these days.
Sorry, is sex supposed to bother people? Or is it only supposed to
bother children? In the latter case, do you imagine a switch that gets
shifted from "bothering" to "not bothering" in each person as they reach
the statutorily defined age (which differs according to jurisdiction).
Teaching children that sex is bad is a form of child abuse, because it
can create severe emotional issues for them in later life.
Now let's see you twist my words into a claim that I am advising sex
with children. I'm sure it won't take you long.
Sylvia.
Marsketa
dignified and modest (you flash your erect penis at children after
all!) and your language and disgusting ideas ands images dono credit to
your mother and father and the way they didn't bring you up correctly!
But then you are the perverted little ol hunchback arn't you?
Marsketa
David Looser
<jon...@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:20414-43...@storefull-3175.bay.webtv.net...
> it is sad that young ladies like
> you have not been raised to be dignified and modest....
You talking about being "dignified and modest" is a bit like listening to
Hitler talking about the merits of multiculturalism, or Osama bin Laden on
the importance of non-violent protest.
> and you might learn as you get older
> that the clothed dignified and modest girls do not have a problem with
> groping or molestation....
And you believe that?. Are you completely out of touch with reality?. Silly
me, I already know the answer to that one.
David.
David Looser
news:1130132139.5...@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
In this thread Jeff/Max/nw has shown himself to be not just narrow-minded,
bigoted and judgemental, as we already knew him to be, but thoroughly nasty
and mean-minded with it.
David.
Mark
"Jeff Jenson" <jeffjenson...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> Sad, sad, sick little girl. It is terrible how some children are
> brought up these days.
>
And a more appropriate example of that--than YOU, could not be found.
jon...@webtv.net
sex and pro nude kid post here in rec nude.....just know that this
family nudism cult is at the bottom of depravity and the females that
post here are the rejected abused depraved sick minded and the results
of broken homes and marriages....so it does not get any worse....once
leaving here any where you might go will be uplifting....rec nude
represents the absolute absence of dignity and modesty.....jonZeee
Clan_MacKay
So speaks the "Pervert King" an idiot who thinks all 10 year old girls
want to see his "little Willy".
Jeff Jenson
Richard C. wrote:
> X-No-archive: yes
> > e-mail addresses for contact. Like, I'm a total idiot? (or fucking
> > stupid, as my bio-mom put it)
> > ====================================== it is sad that young ladies like
> > you have not been raised to be dignified and modest....as your bio mom
> > that the clothed dignified and modest girls do not have a problem with
> > perverted little ol hunchback ....anyhow the creeps and perverts that
> > inhabit nudism is certainly not anything for a female to brag about and
> > rec nude is not a suitable place for a young lady...pre adult to
> > frequent....but if one has a whore for a mom and she is training her
> > daughter to be a whore....then family nudism and rec nude is the
> > greatest training in the world...jonZeee
> >
> ======================================
> You are disgusting!
> Why did not not comment on the POSITIVE things she said:
> "Regarding the Pedo thing? I've felt safer at nudist events, completely
> naked
> and surrounded by equally naked people of both sexes and all ages, than I do
> on the street."
I am all in favor of family friendly nudism. And I do think they can be
safer than texile locations. But people like Adelle Shea sexualizes
nudism. And if that continues then these places will no longer be safe
for children.
She is only 14 so how much can we blame her for being a slut?
Can people really break out of their upbringing?
When do we hold people responsible for their own actions?
All good questions. It might be harsh to call this 14 year old a slut
even though that is what she is. But perhaps by being harsh it will
wake her up to the fact that she is a slut and regardless of whether it
is her upbringing or whatever she will be the one who suffers the
consequences of being a slut as her life progresses.
As for nudism, if she becomes prominent in the nudist movement when she
is older, with the current sexual attitude she has she will harm family
friendly nudism.
Jeff Jenson
Richard C. wrote:
> X-No-archive: yes
>
> >
> > http://www.tera.ca/articles.html
> >
> > In the summer of 2003, at the age of 14, I struck my first blow for
> > topfreedom by wearing only a bikini bottom at a beach at Gull Lake,
> > Alberta. Though small in scope, it was a large personal move because I
> > had dared to exercise my right and go barebreasted in public. I say
> > dared because, though legal, this is not yet socially acceptable, and I
> > could have "caused a disturbance" and been subjected to ridicule and
> > harassment, as so many women have in other places.
> >
> > I dropped my top on our beach blanket next to my father and ran for the
> > water with my girlfriend (her top still on) beside me for moral
> > support. What would happen now? Was I ready for this? Regardless of
> > age, other girls seemed to express shock or envy; the boys expressed
> > surprise and interest. No one said anything to me, and no one called
> > the police.
> >
> > One couple nearby smiled and gave me a thumbs up. There was only one
> > dissenting voice, a friend of my mother, who thought I was breaking
> > the law. It was my father who told her that it was legal in Canada for
> > a woman to go topfree anywhere a man could, and offered to show her the
> > proof when we got home. She didn't seem impressed; but I remained
> > topfree for the rest of our stay.
> >
> > So I got away with it and am still getting away with it on a regular
> > basis. Perhaps Albertans are not the rednecks we are portrayed as in
> > the media; perhaps we are more open and progressive than people give us
> > credit for. Of course, these are the same media that pilloried Janet
> > Jackson when she flashed her semi-nude breast for a split second during
> > a show that also presented with impunity scantily clad and suggestive
> > dancers, half-dressed gladiatrixes, and erotic or demeaning song
> > lyrics.
> >
> > Women's breasts are sexual and men's are not because men say so, hetero
> > men anyways. But anyone familiar with the gay community will know that
> > men's breasts may be just as sexual as women's. So why the controversy?
> >
> > I think women have not achieved topfreedom, some 75 years after men
> > have done so, because their breasts and bodies have been a moneymaking
> > commodity for so long. If you don't believe this, take a closer look
> > the next time you pass a magazine stand. Women's sexualization is used
> > to sell everything from cars to candy bars. A financial resource of
> > this magnitude must be protected.
> >
> > Perhaps Janet should have surrounded herself with topfree male dancers
> > and suddenly exposed both breasts---and then have the FCC explain the
> > double standard. That would have been "one giant leap"!
> >
> > Note: the legality as mentioned above is probably correct for all of
> > Canada but has not been specifically established in some provinces,
> > including Alberta.
> >
> =================================
> Thanks for showing your support for her.
I try to sometimes post other perspectives.
This was a good article but then I read that letter to the editor she
wrote about how 14 year olds should be allowed to see porn and it
turned me totally off her.
Jeff Jenson
So when do you think kids should have sex?
Nine?
Eight?
Seven?
How low will you go?
Jeff Jenson
Sex should bother kids and should be not taken so casually by adults.
Adelle is wrong on both counts.
She really needs to change her slutty ways as it will do her great harm
in life. I don't know how such a young girl got to be a slut, but
however that happened for her own sake she now needs to take charge of
her life and break free from being such a slut.
Jeff Jenson
Richard C. wrote:
> X-No-archive: yes
>
> news:295-435C...@storefull-3177.bay.webtv.net...
> The only one promoting child sex here is YOU, you pathetic little man.
And Adelle. She is promoting child sex.
Jeff Jenson
Albert Giesbrecht wrote:
> Hello nudists
>
> I recieved this E-mail from Adelle Shea. I thought it would be apporpriate
> to post it here(with her permission).
>
> Visaman
>
> ---------------------------------------------
> Your thread on rec.nude regarding was brought to my attention by a friend
> and by a contributor on a forum I still attend. In one of you posts you
> asked for a response from me. Although I don't involve myself in such
> discussions anymore and though there will be a pretty good explanation in
> the next GN mag I thought I might send a personal note.
>
> I found some of the opinions interesting but, just for the record, my
> parents were fully supportive; it was only my bio-mom who freaked as she
> couldn't get past the naked pictures (child pornography???) of me. It was
> all about leading by example and 'Hi, I' a nudist. Naked bodies are good but
> naked pictures are bad.' would be hypocritical. Anyway, that's her baggage,
> not mine but I was so messed by the whole thing I just shut everything down.
> So I guess she wins, anyway.
>
> e-mail addresses for contact. Like, I'm a total idiot? (or fucking stupid,
> could find out that was Edmonton (pop. about 1 mil) but no one went
> a-stalking and I didn't get any (well, very few) weird e-mails. I choose
> what to do and what to say and my parents helped me and offered their
> opinions/criticisms the whole way. I also had some great input from some
> members of the nudist community (especially Jan of netnude) who really
> helped me fine tune my site. The version on the 'wayback' site was archived
> when my site was still pretty raw (yes there were some links to 'adult'
> material as I was trying to figure out were I was taking the 'occupational
> sex' segment). Anyway, it's all history now. I am thinking about bringing it
> back because it had such great info links but I (as in, my person) may be
> less in-your-face. We'll see.
>
> and surrounded by equally naked people of both sexes and all ages, than I do
> savvy than a lot of clothing dependent kids I've met and are no more (and
> even less) sexually active. The only time I was ever sexually assaulted
> (groped by some perv) my gf and I were fully clothed in autumn-wear and on a
> busy street in front of my school/library. He paid (with pain) but the cops
> didn't get him that I know of. Sickos, regardless of what age group they
> prefer, attack people whether they are clothed or naked, on the street or in
> their home or whatever. (Recently there were attacks here by some nut
> including with the guy groping a girl in her own bed. He had never met them
> and never seen them naked. He and the cops are now having a more personal
> relationship.) I had quite the article on my site regarding pedophilia
> (attraction to persons under 12) and hebophilia (attraction to persons
> between 12 and 19 [roughly]); subjective, factual and not necessarily
> negative. If someone got aroused by my pics and got a little honest pleasure
> from them, fine, but that wasn't why they were there. Sex doesn't bother me
> and nudity certainly doesn't but I am not a tease and not an exhibitionist
> and not responsible for other peoples baggage (like that JonZ fellow).
> Anyway, that's my two cents. If you want to post these to the newsgroup, go
> ahead, just to clear the air. I don't do that any more.
>
> Adelle
Here is a discussion about Adelle that you might find interesting.
http://clothesfreeforums.com/groupee/forums/a/tpc/f/7400016152/m/1220042753/p/1
Basically it sums up the fact that she is a slut.
This is kind of like the Paradise Lakes thing. If nudists don't take a
strong stand against Adelle then they shouldn't go whining that people
associate nudity with sex.
David Looser
>
>
> Here is a discussion about Adelle that you might find interesting.
>
> http://clothesfreeforums.com/groupee/forums/a/tpc/f/7400016152/m/1220042753/p/1
>
> http://tinyurl.com/dv9ft
Wow!, a discussion group that makes rec.nude look like a bunch of
reasonable, inteligent people having a rational and well-informed
discussion. Why should we be interested in anything they have to say?
>
> Basically it sums up the fact that she is a slut.
>
Basically it does nothing of the kind.
David.
jon...@webtv.net
prepubescent girls and see them mature into adolescent girls .....if
they like you they will relate their day to day and year to year
experiences......first they try to keep their nudist life secret but
kids will be kids and word gets out....then the boys want to exploit the
nudist girl at school and it escalates into a situation where at 12 or
13 they want to quit school and become depressed...as the school girls
join in with the boys to reject her......it paralells with the biker
momas.....to a biker moma all non biker men are no good and she holds
contempt for them......to the nudist girl that is raised a slut.....all
textile men are no good and she holds contempt for them as she feels so
helpless and stuck in her perverted naked lifestyle.....some become
sidewalk whores or sink into the drug culture where all are welcome
.the TEXTILE culture women are the moral gatekeepers ....always was and
always will....and they support men who abuse nudist...biker and drug
culture females....this is natural behavior in continuing the strong
women of the textile culture with dignity and strong feelings of
modesty.....it is evident even in todays entertainment where the
prostitute is exploited by the serial rapist killer.....they spend alot
of time explaining she was only a whore......and usally one cop
explains...well she was a human being....but when the girl is killed
that was upstanding and virtuous and did not drink or smoke or have
multible boyfriends and was an achiever in school....then the media
and folks from all around get serious about catching the culprit.....i
cannot imagine any average intelligent parent allowing their girl child
to be a nudist or practice nudism in front of the child.....it can mark
them for life in negative wayis......now we got it all
straight....jonZeee
Mark
I've printed out multiple copies of this post in case the next hurricane
produces a toilet paper shortage in Florida.
I've also submitted this post to the Committee for consideration for the
Nobel Prize for Literature, in the fantasy-fiction category. I'm sure you'll
"wipe out" the competition.
<jon...@webtv.net> wrote in message
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Jeff Jenson
Adelle Shea is as much a nudist as those girls on those "Girls Gone
Wild" videos are.
She isn't a true nudist. She is an exhibitionist.
Mark
"Jeff Jenson" <jeffjenson...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> Adelle Shea is as much a nudist as those girls on those "Girls Gone
> Wild" videos are.
......YOU are as much a nudist as those girls on those "Girls Gone Wild"
videos--oops, let me qualify that---those girls on those "Girls Gone Wild"
videos have at least BEEN nude in public--something you can't (or won't)
document about yourself.
(I'm quite confident you have the whole 'Girls Gone Wild' collection don't
you?)
>
> She isn't a true nudist. She is an exhibitionist.
>
You are the one who isn't a nudist--it shows in your foolish posts, opinions
and bigoted judgements made of others (for the sole purpose of causing
trouble in this newsgroup)....
JD
> X-No-archive: yes
>
> "Jeff Jenson" <jeffjenson...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1130131710.7...@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> Sylvia Else wrote:
>>> jon...@webtv.net wrote:
>>>
>>> > Also, I never gave out my home address and ph# though I did supply
>>> > three
>>> > e-mail addresses for contact. Like, I'm a total idiot? (or fucking
>>> > stupid, as my bio-mom put it)
>>> > ====================================== it is sad that young ladies
>>> > like you have not been raised to be dignified and modest....as your
>>> > bio mom indicates with her foul language...
>>>
>>> jonZee, that mental contortion makes my head hurt. How do you do that
>>> without giving yourself even more brain damage?
>>>
>>> Sylvia.
>>
>>
>> " if someone got aroused by my pics and got a little honest pleasure
>> from them, fine..."
>>
>> That's not the words of a nudist.
>>
>> "Sex doesn't bother me..."
>>
>> Sad, sad, sick little girl. It is terrible how some children are
>> brought up these days.
>>
> ==============================
> Sorry..............you and jonzee are the sick ones here.
No, not sick - evil.
JD
Sylvia Else
Jeff Jenson wrote:
> She really needs to change her slutty ways as it will do her great harm
> in life. I don't know how such a young girl got to be a slut, but
> however that happened for her own sake she now needs to take charge of
> her life and break free from being such a slut.
>
You are fortunate that Adelle lives in the USA. If you both lived in
Australia, you would be well on your way to being sued for defamation by
now.
Sylvia.
jon...@webtv.net
Australia, you would be well on your way to being sued for defamation by
now.
Sylvia.
that you are so far from reality that even drug therapy and community
service would not be any help to you......you think in ways that are
conducive to a real social misfit and out of step with values of the
ruling class......that kid is from canada....a child in the USA that
would dare put themselves on the internet naked with stories of
liberated sex.....would be traced and her parents visited by the
CPS...and the child would be taken in to custody and put into a foster
home......for you to state that this kid is going to sue someone is the
most outrageous ignorant statement i have ever heard......remember my
statement about the little ol ladies that are the keepers of the
morality gate.....well they join and fully support the sherrif ..CPS in
matters like this and hearld folks like Jeff as being honorable for
bringing cases like this to everyones attention.....and it is cases like
this along with other nudist camp child porn that threatens the future
of even tame naked baby pictures on the ol bear skin rug.....activities
such as this is abhorrent to the sensibilities of reasonable peoples
ideas of normal accepted child behavior....are you out of your meds and
need a new supply.....jonZeee
Marsketa
Marsketa
Marsketa
Adelle is wrong on both counts.
She really needs to change her slutty ways as it will do her great harm
in life. I don't know how such a young girl got to be a slut, but
however that happened for her own sake she now needs to take charge of
her life and break free from being such a slut.
Jeff I don't know why sex bothyers you SO much?! I don't know how a
person like you become so judgemental and narrowminded?! But however
that happened for your own sake and ours you need to take charge of
your life and brake free of bing such a judgemental, narrowminded
bigot!
Marsketa
Marsketa
ready to (mature enough to have fully considered the consequences and
relationship issues first) and I would put that at much older than 14.
However I do not think it achieves anything to go out and call young
girls sluts because they are having sex. Certainly I feel this girl was
foolish for putting these pictures on the internet. I feel she needs
guidance, not some moralistic nutter who is totally out of touch coming
in calling her names. The reality is that these days many 11 year old
girls are in fact having sex whether they have been brought up in good
homes or not. Peer pressure plays an important role in teenager's
lives. The best thing a parent can do is make sure the children has
good friends who won't lead them astray. I have found that nudist
children are less likely to be swayed by peers to do the wrong thing.
They have had to go against peer pressure to continue as a nudist in
the first place. They are more likely to think for themselves. And
their parents are more likely to have been open about sexual issues and
relationships with them. To be a nudist means living a chosen lifestyle
which goes against the norm. Anyone choosing such a lifestyle is more
likely to have tought about issues and doe4sn't feel compelled to
blindly follow others if what the others are doing isn't right. That is
why nudist children are generally less permiscuous than their textile
peers. Nudist children are generally brought up with better values by
their parents and usually belong to closer knit families because they
share something as a family that is apart form their teenage friends. I
don't agree with sex too young. I have seen a lot of teenagers who do
this end up disillusioned. But I am prepared not to judge but to try
and understand.
Marsketa
Marsketa
nudist club and wonders why he was evicted!
Go back to your hole troll!
Marsketa
Jeff Jenson
She lives in Canada.
http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=slut&x=11&y=22
Main Entry: slut
Pronunciation: 'sl&t
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English slutte
1 chiefly British : a slovenly woman
2 a : a promiscuous woman; especially : PROSTITUTE b : a saucy girl :
MINX
The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language
http://www.bartleby.com/61/75/S0487500.html
1a. A woman considered sexually promiscuous. b. A woman prostitute. 2.
A slovenly woman; a slattern.
I believe it is an accurate word to describe Adelle Shea. 1a not 1b.
She believes girls of 14 should be able to see porn and have sex.
Marsketa
does is not what a nudist would say and do. She is a teenager working
out her sexuality and making lots of mistakes. and along the way she
went to a nudist venue and noted that she was safer there from
paedophiles than in a textile environment. that still doesn't
neccessarily make her a nudist.
marsketa
Marsketa
marsketa
Albert Giesbrecht
"Sylvia Else" <syl...@not.at.this.address> wrote in message
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>
>
>> You are fortunate that Adelle lives in the USA.
>
Actually she lives in Canada.
Visaman
Sylvia Else
Albert Giesbrecht wrote:
Hmm.
And Jeff?
Sylvia
Marsketa
have sex. So ideas about what is sexual promiscurity are blurred.
Marsketa
David Looser
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> Jeff in many European countries it is actually legal for girls of 14 to
> have sex. So ideas about what is sexual promiscurity are blurred.
> Marsketa
>
Is it? which countries did you have in mind?, it has been 16 in the UK for a
very long time. I understood from something said on rec.nude previously that
the age of consent in the US varies from state to state and is even lower
than 14 in some states, perhaps some of the US posters here can confirm
that.. And of course in many traditional societies girls can be married off
as soon as they have passed puberty.
David.
D. Kirkpatrick
"David Looser" <david....@btinternet.com> wrote:
> Is it? which countries did you have in mind?, it has been 16 in the UK for a
> very long time. I understood from something said on rec.nude previously that
> the age of consent in the US varies from state to state and is even lower
> than 14 in some states, perhaps some of the US posters here can confirm
> that.. And of course in many traditional societies girls can be married off
> as soon as they have passed puberty.
The age of consent in all US states is now 18 or will be shortly. Age
to marry is 18 with some states not lower than 16 with parental
consent.
Some states have a graduated age of consent statute but it is not
universal to all states.
DMK
David Looser
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countries around the world. I was suprised to find that there were several
European countries with 14 as the age of consent: Italy and Austria plus
parts of the former Yogaslavia and Estonia. Spain was the lowest at 13.
France and some others were 15. Northern Europe was mostly 16 or 17. Canada
was listed as "12/14/16" whatever that means.
There was a bewildering range from other parts of the world ranging from 12
to 20 (Tunisia). Saudi Arabia was "must be married" but it didn't say what
age was needed for that. World average was 16.
The whole impression given was that nobody had a clue as to what age
children really were mature enough for sex and that numbers were being
picked out of a hat by adults far too old to remember what being a teenager
felt like.
David.
Floyd Baker
Menstruation is a pretty good clue... It's Mother Nature that should
be making the rules....
They've done away with any need to be married. So we may as well go
with the flow. ;-> After all.., there's welfare most everywhere. ;->
Floyd
Please visit my website at www.cheef.com/buffaloskin/
* Learn about the lifestyle *
Mark
"David Looser" <david....@btinternet.com> wrote in message
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> After posting I found a web-site that lists ages of consent for various
> countries around the world. I was suprised to find that there were several
> European countries with 14 as the age of consent: Italy and Austria plus
> parts of the former Yogaslavia and Estonia. Spain was the lowest at 13.
> France and some others were 15. Northern Europe was mostly 16 or 17.
> Canada was listed as "12/14/16" whatever that means.
I can see God-Jeff and the Judgmental Euro-bashing in this forum in the VERY
near future.
snip
Jeff Jenson
Floyd Baker wrote:
> Menstruation is a pretty good clue... It's Mother Nature that should
> be making the rules....
Actually that isn't all together true. Society needs to set some
standards.
For example perhaps some kids are responsible enough to drive at 14.
But most are not. So society has to set the age somewhere. Most have
decided 16 (learner's permit)
As for sex, there is a difference between physically ready and mentally
and culturally ready.
America is a complex society and the teen years need to be about
developing for that society. A pregnancy would disrupt all of that
(schooling, etc) and also cause financial hardship. Raising a child in
American society can get expensive.
If it was a tribal society, well there isn't much to understand. You
have a baby and your mother helps raise it. By the time you are
physically able to have sex you have basically learned all you needed
to know about living in that society so their isn't any schooling or
whatever to get in your way.
Tribal societies don't even have a concept of "teenager". You are a
child. Then one day you have a ritual (usually involving pain and/or
some test) and then you are an adult with adult responsibilies.
But we in more complex societies need the concept of teenager. For
people in their teenage years aren't ready to provide for themselves
(by getting a good job, home, etc).
So while nature doesn't recognize "teenage" we must living in the
complex society that we live in.
And just from a personal standpoint teenages miss so much by having sex
early. The first time they hold hands with each other, then the first
kiss. This innocent and yes casual kind of love is special all in
itself. Teens who go through girl and boy friends quickly, it is a way
to get to know what you want in the other sex without raising the
stakes too high.
Sex will come in due course (when they find someone to marry) but until
then they should enjoy the moment. Sex changes everything within a
relationship and it is really too much for teens who are new to dating.
David Looser
>
> Floyd Baker wrote:
>> Menstruation is a pretty good clue... It's Mother Nature that should
>> be making the rules....
>
> Actually that isn't all together true. Society needs to set some
> standards.
>
> For example perhaps some kids are responsible enough to drive at 14.
> But most are not. So society has to set the age somewhere. Most have
> decided 16 (learner's permit)
>
highway. So it seems that by-and-large you can have sex at 16 in Europe but
have to wait two years to drive, whilst in the US you can drive at 16 but
have to wait two years to have sex. I wonder what that says?
BTW whilst I entirely agree with you that early sex isn't a good thing, a
high age of consent is useless unless it's enforceable. ISTM that the
age-of-consent law is widely ignored in both Britain and the US. The
European countries with lower ages of consent also have lower rates of
teenage pregnancy. What strikes me as totally barmy though is that in
Britain the minimum age for marriage is 16. I find the idea that a sixteen
year old would have the maturity to make that kind of commitment somewhat
unbelievable. Still I can't imagine the old farts accepting that the age of
consent should be lower than the minimum age of marriage.
David.
JD
Another interesting figure to look at is statistics on what age teenagers
become sexually active - and compare that with the age of consent. In my
state (NSW) the age of consent is sixteen - according to a recent survey
the median age for first sex is also sixteen, implying that fifty percent
of teenagers are committing a very serious crime (the law in this state,
unlike for example Victoria, makes no mention of the age of the other
partner). Where the law differs markedly from actual behaviour, society has
a real problem, in this or any other area.
JD
Jeff Jenson
David Looser wrote:
> age-of-consent law is widely ignored in both Britain and the US. The
> European countries with lower ages of consent also have lower rates of
> teenage pregnancy. What strikes me as totally barmy though is that in
The black population in the US has lots of pregnancies. If you remove
that from the statistics I am sure we are much lower than the European
countries.
David Looser
of that sort.
David.
Mark
"Jeff Jenson" <jeffjenson...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> The black population in the US has lots of pregnancies. If you remove
> that from the statistics I am sure we are much lower than the European
> countries.
>
Where is your documentation???.....or is this just your "opinion"??
Bert Clanton
"Jeff Jenson" <jeffjenson...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Floyd Baker wrote:
> > Menstruation is a pretty good clue... It's Mother Nature that should
> > be making the rules....
>
> Actually that isn't all together true. Society needs to set some
> standards.
>
I totally agree. But for me, the interesting question is: should the
standards be based on what is likely to be actually *harmful* and what
isn't, or should they be based on religious notions of what is *sinful*
and what isn't (where non-marital sex is considered sinful even when
it's harmlewss)?
> For example perhaps some kids are responsible enough to drive at 14.
> But most are not. So society has to set the age somewhere. Most have
> decided 16 (learner's permit)
>
I support an expanded two-year rule for sex:
1. Simple sexual exploration and experimentation completely accepted for
girls before menarche and for boys before first nocturnal emission,
unless it is injurious or non-consensual or omits contraception or
prophylaxis;
2. Starting at puberty, sexual activity is acceptable only if the
participants' ages are not more than two years apart and the activity is
non-injurious and consensual involves contraception and prophylaxisr
> As for sex, there is a difference between physically ready and mentally
> and culturally ready.
>
Agreed. Therefore kids should be appropriately educated about the
possible consequences of *irresponsible* sexual activity, not about the
terrible dangers of *all non-marital* sexual activity.
> America is a complex society and the teen years need to be about
> developing for that society.
Agreed. But IMHO a necessary part of developing for that society is
learning how to avoid real dangers, not in being terrified of illusory
dangers.
> A pregnancy would disrupt all of that
> (schooling, etc) and also cause financial hardship. Raising a child in
> American society can get expensive.
>
I totally agree. Therefore girls should be taught:
1. how to say "no" and follow through on saying "no"; and
2. how to avoid pregnancy though sexually active.
> If it was a tribal society, well there isn't much to understand. You
> have a baby and your mother helps raise it. By the time you are
> physically able to have sex you have basically learned all you needed
> to know about living in that society so their isn't any schooling or
> whatever to get in your way.
>
Depends on the society.
> Tribal societies don't even have a concept of "teenager". You are a
> child. Then one day you have a ritual (usually involving pain and/or
> some test) and then you are an adult with adult responsibilies.
>
> But we in more complex societies need the concept of teenager. For
> people in their teenage years aren't ready to provide for themselves
> (by getting a good job, home, etc).
>
True. So the best way to prepare them is to keep them inexperienced and
ignorant about their sexuality?
> So while nature doesn't recognize "teenage" we must living in the
> complex society that we live in.
>
I agree--so long as we recognize that life-stage in a way that prepares
kids to get through it without being harmed.
> And just from a personal standpoint teenages miss so much by having sex
> early. The first time they hold hands with each other, then the first
> kiss. This innocent and yes casual kind of love is special all in
> itself. Teens who go through girl and boy friends quickly, it is a way
> to get to know what you want in the other sex without raising the
> stakes too high.
>
I'm still sceptical about the benefits of ignorance and inexperience.
> Sex will come in due course (when they find someone to marry) but until
> then they should enjoy the moment. Sex changes everything within a
> relationship and it is really too much for teens who are new to dating.
>
Parents can help--but not by keeping kids ignorant or disseminating
false information.
Best wishes,
Bert
--
"Without faith we might relapse into scientific or rational thinking,
which leads by a slippery slope toward constitutional democracy."
- Robert Anton Wilson
Dario Western
Out of curiosity, who is Adelle Shea and what does she have to do with
nudism if she isn't really one?
Is she similar to that British doco-maker Bianca Badham?
I think it is extremely rude and disgusting for some of the guys on here to
refer to her as a 'slut'. What right have they got? Did they never have
any raging hormones or the identity crisis when they were in their teens?
Did they never play the field as to whom they wanted as a life partner or
share their sexuality with?
From what the opposition have said, to me she sounds like a normal teenager
discovering her sexuality and learning to discern who would make the right
soulmate for her. The only way to do that is by trial and error. It's a
part of the learning curve that ALL living beings go through in order to
grow and mature.
I hope she will grow up to be a well-balanced and rational adult, unlike
some of the bloody freaks on this group. She sounds like she's far more
intelligent than them.
--
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Floyd Baker
<jeffjenson...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>Floyd Baker wrote:
>> Menstruation is a pretty good clue... It's Mother Nature that should
>> be making the rules....
>
>Actually that isn't all together true. Society needs to set some
>standards.
Says who... About personal actions? Create are victimless crimes?
'Societies' did pretty good getting us to the point of writing a
bible... Then it all fell apart.
>For example perhaps some kids are responsible enough to drive at 14.
>But most are not. So society has to set the age somewhere. Most have
>decided 16 (learner's permit)
I would say that age has nothing to do with it... As you have just
admitted... They should have a test, which they do, and go with it.
>As for sex, there is a difference between physically ready and mentally
>and culturally ready.
Screw culture... That's hogwash. Just the majority telling the
minority what to do.
>America is a complex society and the teen years need to be about
>developing for that society. A pregnancy would disrupt all of that
>(schooling, etc) and also cause financial hardship. Raising a child in
>American society can get expensive.
Yeah like it isn't happening with the way people think now... That's
what I said about 'welfare'... It's covering all those shortfalls and
expenses for all those teen females who are brought up to screw the
bejesus out of every guy they meet... Get everyone nude from birth,
and teen pregnancies would be cut to a fraction of what they are
now...
>If it was a tribal society, well there isn't much to understand. You
>have a baby and your mother helps raise it. By the time you are
>physically able to have sex you have basically learned all you needed
>to know about living in that society so their isn't any schooling or
>whatever to get in your way.
Isn't that what's happening now? Get real. The laws don't count!
Except to nail some of the males to the wall...
>Tribal societies don't even have a concept of "teenager". You are a
>child. Then one day you have a ritual (usually involving pain and/or
>some test) and then you are an adult with adult responsibilies.
Didn't I just say that should be the way it goes? Menstruation as a
test? Don't you read? Or are you agreeing with me in a
disagreeable manner... Ha!
>But we in more complex societies need the concept of teenager. For
>people in their teenage years aren't ready to provide for themselves
>(by getting a good job, home, etc).
Oh no... I guess you're not agreeing with me... You're trying to
tell me we're complex... Hahaha... Ass holes is what most member of
society are... They're not ready to work is right... All they can
do is get pregnant and collect welfare.
>So while nature doesn't recognize "teenage" we must living in the
>complex society that we live in.
Go back to school. You haven't learned to think.
>And just from a personal standpoint teenages miss so much by having sex
>early. The first time they hold hands with each other, then the first
>kiss. This innocent and yes casual kind of love is special all in
>itself. Teens who go through girl and boy friends quickly, it is a way
>to get to know what you want in the other sex without raising the
>stakes too high.
Where in hell do you live? On the top of some mountain? When is the
last time you saw a human?
>Sex will come in due course (when they find someone to marry) but until
>then they should enjoy the moment. Sex changes everything within a
>relationship and it is really too much for teens who are new to dating.
You are a jerk, aren't you... Hahaha...
>"Sex will come in due course. When they find someone to marry."
Hahaha.... You're funny.
Floyd Baker
<dario....@nospampowerup.com.au> wrote:
>
>Out of curiosity, who is Adelle Shea and what does she have to do with
>nudism if she isn't really one?
She is one Dario... Where have you been?
>Is she similar to that British doco-maker Bianca Badham?
>
>I think it is extremely rude and disgusting for some of the guys on here to
>refer to her as a 'slut'. What right have they got? Did they never have
>any raging hormones or the identity crisis when they were in their teens?
>Did they never play the field as to whom they wanted as a life partner or
>share their sexuality with?
>From what the opposition have said, to me she sounds like a normal teenager
>discovering her sexuality and learning to discern who would make the right
>soulmate for her. The only way to do that is by trial and error. It's a
>part of the learning curve that ALL living beings go through in order to
>grow and mature.
>
>I hope she will grow up to be a well-balanced and rational adult, unlike
>some of the bloody freaks on this group. She sounds like she's far more
>intelligent than them.
She has already grown to be well-balanced and rational... More so
that most teens, by far, and most adults too...
The people with foul language give themselves away... Retarded they
are...
Marsketa
know 6the age of consent for Germany or any of the Scandanavian
Countries?
Marsketa
Marsketa
I started menstrating at age 8 so does that mean that at that very
early age i was ready for sex and had the mental capacity to fully
understand the implications of my actions or the possible outcome of
sex (pregnancy and disease)? I think not. And for that matter are you
saying that a woman who has matured to the point of no longer
menstrating are in fact incapable of giving consent for sex any longer?
<G>
Marsketa
Marsketa
there are lots of non caucasion people living in European countries
these days. In some parts of Britain, you are the minority if you are
white. And the French have a lot of people of African decent as well.
Marsketa
Marsketa
of consent for males is actually 18 so there are a whole lot more
people out there breaking the law. Actually I do like the <2 year
difference in age where one or both participants is not an adult (18)
But I do think that participants should also have reached physical
maturity (periods or wet dreams). Some adult never reach mental
maturity or social responsibility! Also I would like to say that no
government should legislate entirely on the basis of Christian (or any
other religion) sin!
Marsketa
Marsketa
some of the bloody freaks on this group. She sounds like she's far
more
intelligent than them.
Good post Dario
David Looser
From: http://www.avert.org/aofconsent.htm
Germany 14/16
Denmark 15
Norway 16
Sweden 15
Finland 16
David.
Marsketa
for males? I'm just curious. :)
Marsketa
David Looser
> David whenyou say Germany 14/16 does that mean 14 for femqale and 16
> for males? I'm just curious. :)
> Marsketa
>
I've no idea. The note of the website just says "If more than one age is
given then the law within that country or state varies according to region
or circumstances. In particular, some countries (such as Mexico) have state
laws that may overrule the federal law". Make of that what you will.
David.
Marsketa
marsketa
David Looser
> OK, just interested. :)
> marsketa
>
I'd be interested to know as well. For Canada it says 12/14/16, I'd love to
know what that means.
David.
Richard C.
Marsketa?
Just a small request.
Could you include a short snippet of the posts you are responding to?
It is hard to tell what you are commenting on.
Just an idea........
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"Marsketa" <anita...@bigpond.com> wrote in message
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BBp
future... Butt then again I doubt taht he would care as to whats
written about JJ...
BBp
Mark wrote:
> "Jeff Jenson" <jeffjenson...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> >
> > Adelle Shea is as much a nudist as those girls on those "Girls Gone
> > Wild" videos are.
>
> ......YOU are as much a nudist as those girls on those "Girls Gone Wild"
> videos--oops, let me qualify that---those girls on those "Girls Gone Wild"
> videos have at least BEEN nude in public--something you can't (or won't)
> document about yourself.
>
> (I'm quite confident you have the whole 'Girls Gone Wild' collection don't
> you?)
>
> >
> > She isn't a true nudist. She is an exhibitionist.
> >
>
> You are the one who isn't a nudist--it shows in your foolish posts, opinions
> and bigoted judgements made of others (for the sole purpose of causing
> trouble in this newsgroup)....
JD
I suspect that this sort of variation often simply means that there is no
national law and the figure varies between states/provinces, as with USA
and Australia for example.
JD
One-Eyed Willy
Bertie,
I really like you.
I think we could get along real good together.
Marsketa
Just a small request.
Could you include a short snippet of the posts you are responding to?
It is hard to tell what you are commenting on.
Richard,
If you check my posts you will see that mostly I do this. So why not
pick on some of the other posters who NEVER do this for a change? I am
struggling in pain because I have burnt my hands and you guys are
harrassing me about trivia. GOOD ONE!
Marsketa
Marsketa
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Marsketa?
Just a small request.
Could you include a short snippet of the posts you are responding to?
It is hard to tell what you are commenting on.
Jeff there is no need to repeat this on ever topic I post too. I read
it on the other posts. Here's a clue for you- don't repeat your self
OK?
Marsketa
Marsketa
know what that means.
Just a guess but I was wondering whether it mattered if you were French
Canadian or English Canadian or perhaps a native Indian? This is not
meant to be a racist comment BTW.
Marsketa
Marsketa
of that sort.
I'm NOT really arguing against thisss statement about lower pregnancy
rate in Europe. I have used this argument myself often. But I wonder
what would happen if somebody asked me for a reference to back up such
a statement. You ask Jeff for evidence. I just wonder if we have some
evidence. I asked this on anothe NG and I was only playing "Devil's
Advocate" to challenge people and find out if anyone had seen specific
studies and statistics on this and I was vilified with a personal
attack for my trouble. The problem is really that participant of these
sites take them too seriously which makes for great sport for TROLLS!
So I would be very grateful if somebody could post here any statistics
that prove the pregnancy rate or indeed the sexual assault rate and
even sexual crimes are in fact less in Europe. And does that in fact
vary from country to country? And can it be co- related that the
countries with the best record of less teenage pregnancies, sexual
assaults etc are in fact the countries with more liberal views on
Nudity?
I'm just interested.
marsketa
Marsketa
And MARK where is your documentation??? or is this just your "opinion".
having said that I will qualify that it is also my opinion but I don't
know what studies have been conducted.
Marsketa
Marsketa
European countries with lower ages of consent also have lower rates of
teenage pregnancy.
So is this just a "fact" we have made up???
I suppose all the post here now are going to say
How DARE Marsekta question us!
Instead of pompously repeating what others have said, find the proof. I
am sure it is out there.
Marsketa
(Playing Devil's Advocate again and ducking for cover in expectation of
personal insults from those who that this group all too seriously)
Marsketa
near future.
Actually all I can see is Marsketa bashing!
Marsketa
become sexually active - and compare that with the age of consent. In
my
state (NSW) the age of consent is sixteen - according to a recent
survey
the median age for first sex is also sixteen, implying that fifty
percent
of teenagers are committing a very serious crime (the law in this
state,
unlike for example Victoria, makes no mention of the age of the other
partner). Where the law differs markedly from actual behaviour, society
has
a real problem, in this or any other area.
The problem is what do they do? Do they make the age of consent based
on the youngest person to have sex? In today's society, a lot of girls
are having sex at 11 sometimes even befor the age of their first
periods.
I do like the two year difference rule for participants where one or
both have not reached their majority (18).
Another thing that hasn't even been discussed here is why is the age of
concent different for males in some states and countries? I'd like to
get feedback from others on this before i put my two cents worth into
the discussion because I have some ideas on this.
marsketa
Marsketa
So perhaps Adelle is old enough for sexual consent in her country?
And perhaps Jeff is too mentally imature for sex anywhere in the
universe?
Calling people names is a very immature thisn to do and can be quite
hurtful you know.
marsketa
JD
>>>Another interesting figure to look at is statistics on what age teenagers
> become sexually active - and compare that with the age of consent. In
> my
> state (NSW) the age of consent is sixteen - according to a recent
> survey
> the median age for first sex is also sixteen, implying that fifty
> percent
> of teenagers are committing a very serious crime (the law in this
> state,
> unlike for example Victoria, makes no mention of the age of the other
> partner). Where the law differs markedly from actual behaviour, society
> has
> a real problem, in this or any other area.
>
> The problem is what do they do? Do they make the age of consent based
> on the youngest person to have sex? In today's society, a lot of girls
> are having sex at 11 sometimes even befor the age of their first
> periods.
Probably not the youngest, but certainly if there is a situation (as appears
to be the case in this state) where around half of teenagers (and
presumably their parents) are ignoring the law, it is clear that the law is
unsuitable, particularly as under age sex is one of the most serious crimes
on the books. Either teenage behaviour or the law needs to change, and I
can guess which is easier!
> I do like the two year difference rule for participants where one or
> both have not reached their majority (18).
> Another thing that hasn't even been discussed here is why is the age of
> concent different for males in some states and countries? I'd like to
> get feedback from others on this before i put my two cents worth into
> the discussion because I have some ideas on this.
> marsketa
The two year difference applies in Victoria, but I can't remember how low it
goes down to. (My boys grew up in Victoria)
I cannot imagine any valid reason for different ages for males and females
(or for that matter for homosexual activity, for that matter), but
obviously there will be people who can come up with valid reasons.
JD
David Looser
>>> Find some evidence if you want to make statements
> of that sort.
> OK,
> I'm NOT really arguing against thisss statement about lower pregnancy
> rate in Europe. I have used this argument myself often. But I wonder
> what would happen if somebody asked me for a reference to back up such
> a statement. You ask Jeff for evidence. I just wonder if we have some
> evidence.
Such statistics certainly exist, as I have seen them quoted in news reports
(mainly, in the UK, comparing our poor record in this respect compared to
those in other EU countries), I'll have a go at Google to see if I can track
them down.
> So I would be very grateful if somebody could post here any statistics
> that prove the pregnancy rate or indeed the sexual assault rate and
> even sexual crimes are in fact less in Europe. And does that in fact
> vary from country to country?
It certainly does.
And can it be co- related that the
> countries with the best record of less teenage pregnancies, sexual
> assaults etc are in fact the countries with more liberal views on
> Nudity?
That's more difficult because "liberal views on nudity" is not something
that can be easily quantified.
David.
David Looser
David.
Marsketa
Does anybody have a reference though? That's something I am looking
for. Something tangible I can quote if necessary.
Marsketa