How many of you would like to be naked in public?
Anna
harm but not freed from the general attitude of nudity within society
how many nudists would really want to go nude in public?
When I say "public" I do not mean any venue such as a nudist venue
where you will be seen by predominately like minded people. I am
talking about city streets where you will be subjected to the taunts,
the insults of the general public.
Most people don't walk around city streets in bathing suits so I
believe there's a time and a place for nudity. And I believe most
nudists feel that way as well.
James Dale Guckert
> Freed from any the repercussions of lost of job, arrest, or physical
> harm but not freed from the general attitude of nudity within society
> how many nudists would really want to go nude in public?
> When I say "public" I do not mean any venue such as a nudist venue
> where you will be seen by predominately like minded people. I am
> talking about city streets where you will be subjected to the taunts,
> the insults of the general public.
So, wait: Your hypothetical first requires that (a) walking the
sidewalks in the nude is utterly legal; (b) employers are enjoined
from taking *any* adverse action on an employee when they find out
what he has done; (c) people who might otherwise assault a nude person
in public can somehow be restrained by some magical force; yet (d)
said magical force cannot prevent them from taunting or insulting said
nude person.
This is an incomplete, surreal picture manufactured by a thoughtless
faker with a limited imagination. There is no way to answer the
question because the whole setup is ludicrous and distorted from
reality.
You're welcome.
JDG
zeptov
I think this question is rich with context, part of which was implied by
the way the question is phrased. Part of the question makes it seem like
I'd be alone, walking the streets nude. But, if society changed to the
point that clothed or not was irrelevant, would we still care?
I would be highly averse to walking around nude alone. Among other
things, it would make it impossible to have a conversation with anyone
about anything except nudity; and while I enjoy naturism, there's more
to me than that. And of course, nudity is associated with sex which
would add another subtext to the action. Both of those lead towards
being nude no longer being about being comfortable.
But that's also different than being outside with a naturist or nudist
group, even in an otherwise public place.
I agree that there's a time and a place for nudity; but the first part
of your question is sort of asking whether, if there were more times and
places, we would do it? And if there were more times and places, yes I
would. The second part of your question, though, about the taunts and so
on, indicates that it's legal protection without creating more times and
places. And then I probably wouldn't, except as a protest. It would be
analogous to the civil rights era -- protesting to get laws changed,
even though attitudes hadn't.
James Dale Guckert
> would. The second part of your question, though, about the taunts and so
> on, indicates that it's legal protection without creating more times and
> places. And then I probably wouldn't, except as a protest. It would be
> analogous to the civil rights era -- protesting to get laws changed,
> even though attitudes hadn't.
Good catch. There's a building on the campus of the University of
Alabama with a plaque that commemorates the day when the first black
students, protected by federal troops, entered and registered for
classes while white "folks" taunted them and made a general ruckus.
Using "Anna's" logic, those brave students were exhibitionists who
wanted people on campus to gawk at their blackness.
As the white protesters would put it: There's a time and place for
everything... including Negroes.
JDG
FREECOSPIRIT
public beach where some people are naked then that is fine because it
is expected there. But consider a town street where you would not
normally where a swim suit then few if any of us would want to be
naked under such circumstances.
Rightly or wrongly I don't see the public's attitude to nudity
changing radically soon and if even the law were changed to allow
pretty much unrestricted nudity I doubt that many would choose to go
naked where most people felt it inappropriate. In the few countries
where nudity is generally allowed you get little more inappropriate
nudity than where the laws are stricter. You will of course get the
brazen few who take every opportunity they can to go naked for a
variety of motives.
Would I choose to make a naked protest - well probably not on my own
but as part of a group to draw attention to an issue which I strongly
about may be if I thought it would achieve something that a normal
protest wouldn't.
Zee
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co....i agree that legal does not mean more but could mean less...as
the clothed might take liberty to persecute more freely the ones that
did making folks not wanting to get naked in public...its a toss
up.....the most effective protest i have heard of was mlk
march....violence ..or rock or stone throwing and nudity was not
used.....i feel the nudity is like throwing a bottle and disgust most
folks and does not change minds over an issue...and certainly gives
rise to the fact that the issue was less an issue than the getting
naked to expose ones self....as i also believe that all the violence
and loud noises do not sell products on tv....but it does show a
childish attempt at impressing or showing out of high tech destruction
fantasy.....idiots at work....jz
BeoWolf
bicycle nude through the city then...
I've been there and done that!
Support the World Naked Bike Ride, it will broaden the legal safety of
going nude.
BeoWolf
Richard C.
Why is it such a big deal?
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: Freed from any the repercussions of lost of job, arrest, or physical
Terry J. Wood
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> I have done it and will do it again.
>
> Why is it such a big deal?
In http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eternal_return it says:
< The first line of Disney's Peter Pan is "All of this has happened before,
< and it will all happen again." This line has been cited as the inspiration
< behind the same theme in Battlestar Galactica.
I had no idea that you were a Cylon, Richard!
Terry "http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e8Z0lhzOn_U" Wood
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had and used the option when they felt conditions warranted. But as Jon Zee
would most likely point out, when we talk about nudity in public we are
talking about walking around with the tits, the ass, and the cock and balls
exposed for all to see, especially little girls who are eye level to some
fat old man's saggy sack and wiener. Most college-age guys would only
permit hot babes to be in this option but they would have a serious problem
with dudes strutting their junk, competition being what it is and all.
People are forced to conform to the customary standard whether it is legal
activity or not because even if its legal, someone can still complain that
the exposure is disorderly or a breach of the peace, and most police
officers responding to these calls just want to restore order--no ripples on
the lake.
You mention a bathing suits; here in Arizona its not uncommon to see guys
wearing board shorts all year long, but they usually have shirts on. Girls
in bikinis are seldom seen in shopping areas but its not uncommon to see
women in the grocery store wearing a swimsuit and a sheer cover when its 115
degrees. In Arizona (state law), a thong bottom that just covers the
genitalia and the asshole in the back is perfectly legal anywhere. If I was
asking for trouble I could wear one while washing my car even though I live
across the street from an elementary school. (OMG hide the children!!!!)
The city street question is like a scratched LP that keeps skipping.
Wearing unusual clothing on the street might cause a driver to be
distracted, so even if its legal, the bikini or thong wearer might be
accused of contributing to a vehicle collision.
Its best for society to accept what people generally like to call "common
sense", to balance personal freedom and the stress put on so-called tolerant
people. Even the most ardent Obama supporter can be yanked towards an
extreme that makes them appear hypocritical, eventually. We have to act
tolerant of Muslims but should all non-Muslim women wear Burkas so they
don't offend the pious Islamic radical? Most of us say, "Hell NO!" but them
most of us will also yell at a nudist, "Hey, go put your pants on, there's
kids looking!"
Bill S in AZ
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rickb_cool
There is no reason for government to restrict simple nudity in public.
THere is no harm or potential harm caused by simple nudity and there
is great harm caused by the restriction. Private property is under
the control of the property owner and should remain so. If the owner
allows nudity even if viewable from off their property then that
permission should stand. I would assert my civl right to be nude in
public if allowed to do so.
Zee
in the meantime enjoy life as it is....as i would doubt that being
nude will ever be a civil right..jz
rickb_cool
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It is a civil right. It is legal recognition that is wholely in error.
Fred
rickb_cool <rickb...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> There is no reason for government to restrict simple nudity in public.
There are plenty of reasons, just no ->good reasons.
As you might have noticed, most of what governments do has no good
reason behind it.
Zee
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> rickb_cool <rickb_c...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > There is no reason for government to restrict simple nudity in public.
>
> There are plenty of reasons, just no ->good reasons.
>
> As you might have noticed, most of what governments do has no good
> reason behind it.
uh huh....once humans perception of reality becomes equal then govt
action taken as a whole will be accepted by all and we live happily
ever after....right....jz