For the Nudist Hall of Shame!!! - Nudists' web-cam sexual abuse of son, 9
Anna
The 57-year-old man from Peakhurst, in Sydney's south, pleaded guilty
yesterday to eight child sex offences, including sexual intercourse
with a person under 10 and using a child under 14 for pornographic
purposes. The boy's mother, 49, also pleaded guilty to sexual
intercourse with a child under 10 and two counts of committing an
indecent act.
The child, now aged 10 and in the care of a foster family, was raised
a nudist and spent family holidays at a nudist camp in the Southern
Highlands of NSW, according to court documents.
The boy began exhibiting "unusual behaviours" early last year and,
when questioned by his school's assistant principal, "blurted it all
out", revealing how his father would talk via web-cam with other
nudists while performing sex acts with the child.
When police arrested the parents last November the father claimed they
were just a "touchy-feely" and "very, very open-minded family" and
there was no "difference between holding a child's hand and holding a
child's penis -- it's only skin".
"I mean the law says you can't, but I mean it's our way of educating
our son," the father told police.
The man's laptop contained child pornography images and video, along
with chat logs between the father and other alleged pedophiles. The
couple will return to court on June 4.
Duncan Heenan
>snip<
Rob Candlish beat you to this one a long time ago, 'Anna'. We have home
grown trolls, 'Anna', we don't need you as well.
As with all your 'horror stories', all it proves is that there are weirdoes
in all parts of the world and all walks of life. But we knew that anyway.
I'm waiting for the post about the weirdo calling himself 'Anna' who spends
his life hiding behind a woman's name, googling anything to do with nudity,
and then posting it on minority newsgroups just so he can priggishly tut,
tut about them!
--
Duncan Heenan
Will Golden
society, therefore it is easier to weed out child abuse. It is also
harder to get away with incest.
One aspect of why mainstream society wears clothes is as a means of
concealing a weapon, much as a terrorist conceals a bomb. This dirty
raincoat society plays superficial lip-service to morality whilst
behind closed doors carrying out the very activities described here.
From a little bit of amateur psychological profiling, for example
tracking the nuances and extent of what is seen as characteristic
female materialism and monitoring how they deal with discussions of
family, it is not unreasonable to conclude that the majority of most
women under a certain age have been sexually abused within the family
at some time in their childhood. I am sure it is widespread!
Why? There are suggestions. For example, as Mum fills out and draws
lines in her face, who is it that most resembles the young woman with
whom the father was initially infatuated? ..... the daughter. Any joy
the "victim" imagines is actually born from relief that that expensive
present at Christmas is guaranteed by doing as Daddy told her. These
are not the exception; they the rule! Doubly so in a non-naturist
mainstream society where nudity is equated to sex.
It is almost certain that the majority of the jury that convicted this
guy had done exactly a similar thing themselves at some time. But
watch colonies of animals. The first they try to mate with are
members of their immediate family. It is natural. Yet it is evil in
our eyes. The answer is a matter of education. We believe we are
"better than that". To separate ourselves from the animals we must
say "no"!
The measure of the comparitive morality of the naturist community is
how we weed out these people. I myself had to "shop" an eminent
nudist around US sunclub circuit to the FBI for leading incest
instruction forums on the internet. It hurt to read his filth but it
hurts less to know the FBI are up his ****! We must detour around all
these anti-nudist media sensationalisms and just continue to monitor
our own lifestyle. I sincerely believe this guy is an exception in
the naturist community. He would be the norm out there in the
mainstream world.
Hugz, Will
On 3 June, 00:42, Anna <annalidd...@lycos.com> wrote:
> http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/nation/nudists-web-cam-sexual-ab...
Will Golden
"exactly a similar thing"
Whatever happened to my English?
Duncan Heenan
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Duncan Heenan
"Will Golden" <willy...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
news:3dbca007-9434-4a38...@d8g2000yqf.googlegroups.com...
> Snip<
>From a little bit of amateur psychological profiling, for example
> tracking the nuances and extent of what is seen as characteristic
> female materialism and monitoring how they deal with discussions of
> family, it is not unreasonable to conclude that the majority of most
> women under a certain age have been sexually abused within the family
> at some time in their childhood. I am sure it is widespread!
>
What nonsense! And without a shred of proper evidence or analysis. If you
see materialism, it is materialism, that's all.
It is both wholly unjustified and grossly insulting to make the leap from
women enjoying shopping to asserting that most of their fathers were child
abusers. I think you must have been taking your amateur psychology lessons
from Rob Candlish!
--
Duncan Heenan
Rob Candlish
Actually he hasn't, but it looks very much as if he's learned about
how to write bullshit without the encumberance of evidence or analysis
from you. You are after all acknowledged as an accomplished master of
that.
Dario Western
> The point about nudism is that it is more open than mainstream
> society, therefore it is easier to weed out child abuse. It is also
> harder to get away with incest.
I don't think that Nikki Craft or Rob Candlish will agree with you on this.
> One aspect of why mainstream society wears clothes is as a means of
> concealing a weapon, much as a terrorist conceals a bomb. This dirty
> raincoat society plays superficial lip-service to morality whilst
> behind closed doors carrying out the very activities described here.
Eh, what???!
> From a little bit of amateur psychological profiling, for example
> tracking the nuances and extent of what is seen as characteristic
> female materialism and monitoring how they deal with discussions of
> family, it is not unreasonable to conclude that the majority of most
> women under a certain age have been sexually abused within the family
> at some time in their childhood. I am sure it is widespread!
What made you come to that conclusion? So you're saying that sexual abuse
does not occur in societies where materialism is non-existent? Think again!
For instance, child abuse had been going on for centuries in some tribal
cultures, particularly with Aborigines and some Native American Indians in
the name of their 'sacred rites'.
> Why? There are suggestions. For example, as Mum fills out and draws
> lines in her face, who is it that most resembles the young woman with
> whom the father was initially infatuated? ..... the daughter. Any joy
> the "victim" imagines is actually born from relief that that expensive
> present at Christmas is guaranteed by doing as Daddy told her. These
> are not the exception; they the rule! Doubly so in a non-naturist
> mainstream society where nudity is equated to sex.
The problem is more complex than that. And I can tell you that there are
some nudist guys in their 40's onwards who generally prefer the company of
younger women - I know one guy on the Sunshine Coast who is in his 50's and
after he was divorced from his wife he started going out with a woman in her
early 20's (they have since separated).
> It is almost certain that the majority of the jury that convicted this
> guy had done exactly a similar thing themselves at some time. But
> watch colonies of animals. The first they try to mate with are
> members of their immediate family. It is natural. Yet it is evil in
> our eyes. The answer is a matter of education. We believe we are
> "better than that". To separate ourselves from the animals we must
> say "no"!
How do you know this?
> The measure of the comparitive morality of the naturist community is
> how we weed out these people. I myself had to "shop" an eminent
> nudist around US sunclub circuit to the FBI for leading incest
> instruction forums on the internet. It hurt to read his filth but it
> hurts less to know the FBI are up his ****! We must detour around all
> these anti-nudist media sensationalisms and just continue to monitor
> our own lifestyle. I sincerely believe this guy is an exception in
> the naturist community. He would be the norm out there in the
> mainstream world.
So you're saying that naturists are all pure, wholesome and sinless people
and textiles are all corrupt and sexually depraved? People are the same
wherever you go, nudist or not. We all have our sins and weaknesses to us.
This "us vs them" mentality does not help at all.
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Best wishes,
Dario Western
"A noble heart embiggens the smallest of men" - Jebediah Springfield
Mobile: (0437) 428-859
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vg4cysss7001
<duncan...@tiscali.co.uk> writes
>
>
What a novel idea!
To quote and respond within you .sig.
Maybe I should try it to avoid follow-ups? :-)
--
Misha
Free on-line, off-site backups?
<https://mozy.com/?ref=UK45Y5>
Will Golden
Did I mention "shopping"? No I did not! Why don't people just read
the content instead of heeding the avalanche that follows from their
own minds?
What has shopping got to do with materialism. We have to shop for
food or we die, Duncan, or perhaps you have someone to do that for you
and you forget. Shopping and materialism are not synonyms.
Materialism is a drive, not a hobby or a survival kit. It is the
wanton collection of material wealth and can reach levels of
obsession. There are many forms materialism takes. Those drives
prevalent among younger women are so often different to those among
older women (albeit neither is more or less than the other)... and
again among men whose dominionist drives overpower but do not exclude
materialism altogether. The key is where such drives become
hangups.
We could discuss this to academic lengths if you wish, but not in a
naturist forum. It is sufficient to note in such forums how social,
psychological and even anthropological 'nuances' (for lack of a better
word) can affect how children are treated in the family and
consequently how it transcribes into posts such as that from Anna.
regards,
Will Golden
On 3 June, 12:29, "Duncan Heenan" <duncanhee...@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
> --
> Duncan Heenan"Will Golden" <willy-ni...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
>
> news:3dbca007-9434-4a38...@d8g2000yqf.googlegroups.com...> Snip<
>
Will Golden
On 3 June, 14:44, "Dario Western" <westernor...@nospamgmail.com>
wrote:
And I can tell you that there are some nudist guys in their 40's
onwards who generally prefer the company of younger women
Agreed, dario. I am clinically immature / prepubescent / subdued-
masculine and cannot associate with the caravan-fixing, log-chopping
culture of middle aged male nudists. I too am more comfortable among
younger, female naturists. But this point you are making is not about
incest is it?
On 3 June, 14:44, "Dario Western" <westernor...@nospamgmail.com>
wrote:
For instance, child abuse had been going on for centuries in some
tribal cultures,
As I said, incest is sadly natural as exemplified by animals. Our
strength is how we rein this in ethically.
On 3 June, 14:44, "Dario Western" <westernor...@nospamgmail.com>
wrote:
So you're saying that sexual abuse does not occur in societies where
materialism is non-existent?
The materialist link, Dario, is one of tactics that goes back through
the ages, Dario. Without the exchange of favours, the acceptance by
the child is considerably more hamstrung! Understand? This evolves
into the devisive dominion/materialism face-off of the modern day from
the original mutual, collective prehistoric hunter/gatherer
relationship.
On 3 June, 14:44, "Dario Western" <westernor...@nospamgmail.com>
wrote:
So you're saying that naturists are all pure, wholesome and sinless
people
and textiles are all corrupt and sexually depraved? People are the
same
wherever you go, nudist or not.
What you say is true as a foundation, Dario. But then there are
external influences built upon that.
Of course neither side of the clothesline has better or worse
people. It is just that nudists are used to nudity, almost to the
point of indifference in social settings. However, where mainstream
society builds up a "brown paper wrapping", a "dirty raincoat" around
the body, that body becomes a seductive target and a point of
obsession. Rarity breeds interest, nay, intrigue, and in societies
where the naked body is NOT commonplace, its sudden appearance brings
the worst out in people. Therefore it is commonsense that such
perversions would occur more in circles of humanity where the body is
looked on as a sex object.
At no point did I say "naturists are all pure, wholesome and sinless
people". In fact I exemplified the opposite in my described action
against the incest forum leader. It is just that our more open
community thankfully makes child abuse a risky activity. Against that
is the craving for the forbidden in mainstream society that puts their
kids at greater risk. Nobody is better or worse, it is a matter of
circumstances and usage.
Regards, Will
On 3 June, 14:44, "Dario Western" <westernor...@nospamgmail.com>
wrote:
> The problem is more complex than that. - I know one guy on the Sunshine Coast who is in his 50's and
Duncan Heenan
>
> Did I mention "shopping"? No I did not! Why don't people just read
> the content instead of heeding the avalanche that follows from their
> own minds?
>
> What has shopping got to do with materialism. We have to shop for
> food or we die, Duncan, or perhaps you have someone to do that for you
> and you forget. Shopping and materialism are not synonyms.
>
> Materialism is a drive, not a hobby or a survival kit. It is the
> wanton collection of material wealth and can reach levels of
> obsession. There are many forms materialism takes. Those drives
> prevalent among younger women are so often different to those among
> older women (albeit neither is more or less than the other)... and
> again among men whose dominionist drives overpower but do not exclude
> materialism altogether. The key is where such drives become
> hangups.
>
> We could discuss this to academic lengths if you wish, but not in a
> naturist forum. It is sufficient to note in such forums how social,
> psychological and even anthropological 'nuances' (for lack of a better
> word) can affect how children are treated in the family and
> consequently how it transcribes into posts such as that from Anna.
>
> regards,
> Will Golden
manifestation of materialism in a number of women I know! It was not meant
to trivialize, merely to put some rather arcane concepts in to the
vernacular.
I'm afraid you have still not produced any evidence , nor even reasoned
argument, to link the accusation of materialism in women to your assertion
that most fathers of girls are therefore child abusers. I think you should
either support your assertion properly, or apologise to the male population.
--
Duncan Heenan
Dario Western
"Will Golden" <willy...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
news:c1026aa5-f18b-4d94...@k39g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
Hi Dario. We haven't spoken for ages. How are things?"
Great, thanks!
"On 3 June, 14:44, "Dario Western" <westernor...@nospamgmail.com>
wrote:
And I can tell you that there are some nudist guys in their 40's
onwards who generally prefer the company of younger women
Agreed, dario. I am clinically immature / prepubescent / subdued-
masculine and cannot associate with the caravan-fixing, log-chopping
culture of middle aged male nudists. I too am more comfortable among
younger, female naturists. But this point you are making is not about
incest is it?"
No, definitely not.
"The materialist link, Dario, is one of tactics that goes back through
the ages, Dario. Without the exchange of favours, the acceptance by
the child is considerably more hamstrung! Understand? This evolves
into the devisive dominion/materialism face-off of the modern day from
the original mutual, collective prehistoric hunter/gatherer
relationship."
Agreed. In the early days of humanity, people wore clothes and ate out of
necessity rather than for comfort reasons.
"Of course neither side of the clothesline has better or worse
people. It is just that nudists are used to nudity, almost to the
point of indifference in social settings. However, where mainstream
society builds up a "brown paper wrapping", a "dirty raincoat" around
the body, that body becomes a seductive target and a point of
obsession. Rarity breeds interest, nay, intrigue, and in societies
where the naked body is NOT commonplace, its sudden appearance brings
the worst out in people. Therefore it is commonsense that such
perversions would occur more in circles of humanity where the body is
looked on as a sex object."
That's why we need a mass desensitisation of nudity instead of it being
segregated into gated communities. That was what happened in Europe in the
early 20th Century, naturism only got mainstream acceptance via civil
disobedience. The same thing happened in Australia in the early 70's when
women protested the right to go topless on beaches. These days it is a
non-issue for most, however there is still a large market for pornography
and men's magazines in this country as well as strip clubs and peep-shows.
Naturism is not popular in Australia for the most part, and regrettably we
have equivalents to people like Mary Whitehouse and Clare Short in the form
of Rev. Fred Nile and Hetty Johnston who say that nudity and nudism is a
form of depravity and child abuse. Most Australians think they are both a
bunch of whinging idiots, but they still weild considerable political power
to influence the anti-public nudity laws.
If enough Australians rose up and said a big 'fuck you' to this oppression
and protested nude on a regular basis, eventually the public would get used
to it. When the Liberals got into power in 1996, they introduced the Goods
& Services Tax. Although most Australians previously protested against it,
they learned to live with it. It did not destroy Australia one bit - life
still went on the same as it did.
So why can't the same be said in relation to nudity?
"At no point did I say "naturists are all pure, wholesome and sinless
people". In fact I exemplified the opposite in my described action
against the incest forum leader. It is just that our more open
community thankfully makes child abuse a risky activity. Against that
is the craving for the forbidden in mainstream society that puts their
kids at greater risk. Nobody is better or worse, it is a matter of
circumstances and usage.
Regards, Will"
I agree. Sadly, I've been mocked and raked over the hot coals by nudists in
my local area over this. I do not subscribe to nudists using pseudonyms or
going by their first names and last initials only on forums or newsletters.
Nudism is meant to be about 'nothing to hide', least of all the human body.
FLTom
The attacks on Anna continue, and they continue to be highly amusing.
Is there no one in this newsgroup capable of understanding that Anna
is the sole person responsible for making the newsgroup interesting
and worth visiting? Anna brings meat to the table on a regular basis,
engendering discussion and debate as she canvasses the internet for
nudist related items. She's WORKING HARD and she deserves thanks and
gratitude, not all this silly sniping, and these even sillier and
irrelevant questions about her identity. What is wrong with you
people? Anna mines a treasure trove of data simply because she's
interested in the subject matter and she has energy.
Since no one else appears to have enough class to say it, I will.
Thank you, Anna. Thanks for your hard work. Without you this forum
would just be a bunch of boring snobs patting themselves on the back
for their supposed enlightened attitudes in a what they think of as a
benighted world. You ably represent a point of view that is widely
shared, and give no quarter in defending it.
James Dale Guckert
This post is pure genius.
Thank you. I will be saving it.
--
JDG
vg4cysss7001
<495bcb19-6110-4a93...@l6g2000vbo.googlegroups.com>, Anna
<annal...@lycos.com> writes
>http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/nation/nudists-web-cam-sexual-
>abuse-of-son-9/story-e6frg6nf-1225872280618
>
>http://tinyurl.com/298mzsy
>
>The 57-year-old man from Peakhurst, in Sydney's south,
Please explain relevance to u.r.n.
[snip]
Rob Candlish
<snip>
> The attacks on Anna continue, and they continue to be highly amusing.
> Is there no one in this newsgroup capable of understanding that Anna
> is the sole person responsible for making the newsgroup interesting
> and worth visiting?
<snip>
You're right. Heenan brings quite a bit of amusement here, especially
when someone asks him what his "Naturist Action Group" is doing with
the donations it solicits via its website. His standard response is to
tell people it's none of their business. I suppose though that if I'd
worked out a scam to get other people to pay for my boat to be
repainted I might, if I was of low moral/ethical standing, say the
same thing.
Sunhawk
> http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/nation/nudists-web-cam-sexual-ab...
>
OK Guys, you may call me a 'Lurker', I don't mind, so I'll ask my
question here again. Oh, an "Anna" you are definitely drawing
everybody out, go going there Lady.
Here's the question, and it's deadly serious:
"Willie and the Boys" come to full attentions, and in front of you is
a little girl, or little boy, their Parents, or a knockout Broad that
would stop a freight train.
DO YOU:
A. Cover it up, smile, and with a moist upper lip, change the
subject ?
B. Cross your legs, the Organ is so very tiny nobody will Notice ?
C. Go back to your Residence until "The Swelling" Subsides, and it's
a Bright, Sunny Day, Birds Singing, Flowers Blooming, and Everybody is
in the Pool ?
In various constructions, this question is on every legitimate Camp
Application.
Your answer would be:__________
Lane
1e5780...@h13g2000yqm.googlegroups.com:
> The attacks on Anna continue, and they continue to be highly amusing.
> Is there no one in this newsgroup capable of understanding that Anna
> is the sole person responsible for making the newsgroup interesting
> and worth visiting? Anna brings meat to the table on a regular basis,
> engendering discussion and debate as she canvasses the internet for
> nudist related items. She's WORKING HARD and she deserves thanks and
> gratitude, not all this silly sniping, and these even sillier and
> irrelevant questions about her identity. What is wrong with you
> people? Anna mines a treasure trove of data simply because she's
> interested in the subject matter and she has energy.
>
It is true that Anna is entertaining. It is the reason that he/she/it is
not in my killfile. That doesn't mean I take any of it's posts
seriously, or that I think any of them are remotely relevant.
It is clear that either Anna is a fictional character created for the
amusement of its creator or a truly despicable human being that I would
never like to meet in person. I suspect it's the latter, but either way,
I can enjoy the ridiculousness that is the Anna character from afar
while hoping that the person behind it doesn't actually hurt anyone in
the real world.
--
Lane
Neosapienis
> The attacks on Anna continue, and they continue to be highly amusing.
> Is there no one in this newsgroup capable of understanding that Anna
> is the sole person responsible for making the newsgroup interesting
> and worth visiting? Anna brings meat to the table on a regular basis,
> engendering discussion and debate as she canvasses the internet for
> nudist related items. She's WORKING HARD and she deserves thanks and
> gratitude, not all this silly sniping, and these even sillier and
> irrelevant questions about her identity. What is wrong with you
> people? Anna mines a treasure trove of data simply because she's
> interested in the subject matter and she has energy.
>
> Since no one else appears to have enough class to say it, I will.
> Thank you, Anna. Thanks for your hard work. Without you this forum
> would just be a bunch of boring snobs patting themselves on the back
> for their supposed enlightened attitudes in a what they think of as a
> benighted world. You ably represent a point of view that is widely
> shared, and give no quarter in defending it.
Ditto. Maybe you ought to post here more as well, FL Tom. :-)
Dario Western
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Best wishes,
Dario Western
"A noble heart embiggens the smallest of men" - Jebediah Springfield
Mobile: (0437) 428-859
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http://groups.google.com/group/YoungAussieNudists
"Sunhawk" <truck...@msn.com> wrote in message
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Anna
wrote:
> Answer: To tell you to go and have intercourse with yourself, you imbecile.
>
> --
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Dario Western
>
> "A noble heart embiggens the smallest of men" - Jebediah Springfield
>
> Mobile: (0437) 428-859
> Website:http://picasaweb.google.com/westernorama
> http://buzz.google.com
>
> Groups:http://groups.google.com/group/Brisbane_Nudists
> http://groups.google.com/group/Christiannudist
> http://groups.google.com/group/Laissez-Fayre
> http://groups.google.com/group/YoungAussieNudists
>
A true nudist wouldn't have that problem because the environment is
supposed to be nonsexualized. Anyone who would have such a problem
doesn't belong in nudism.
Terry J. Wood
1e5780...@h13g2000yqm.googlegroups.com:
> Thank you, Anna. Thanks for your hard work. Without you this forum
> would just be a bunch of boring snobs patting themselves on the back
Or telling us we don't know anything unless we read the right books!