Swingers at Nudist Camps
Jeff Jenson
days instead of just one. We drove down on Thursday before the fair and
rented a camper at Willamettans (a nudist camp) and spend Thursday
afternoon enjoying the sun."
http://www.owpix.com/mw/journal/
The problem with the above statement is that it comes from a couple of
swingers.
While I realize that one can't do in depth background checks upon
everyone that comes to Nudist Clubs, isn't that just the problem. Here
was a case where swingers slipped in despite the safeguards.
It seems that nudist resorts/camps attract (perhaps through no fault of
their own) such people.
So, any ideas on how to keep them out? It seems that all too many of
them are slipping by.
Sylvia Else
Jeff Jenson wrote:
> "We had a great time at the fair this year. We decided to go for two
> days instead of just one. We drove down on Thursday before the fair and
> rented a camper at Willamettans (a nudist camp) and spend Thursday
> afternoon enjoying the sun."
>
> http://www.owpix.com/mw/journal/
>
> The problem with the above statement is that it comes from a couple of
> swingers.
Did they do anything unacceptable *at the camp* ?
Sylvia.
Mark
"Jeff Jenson" <jeffjenson...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1133229013.2...@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> "We had a great time at the fair this year. We decided to go for two
> days instead of just one. We drove down on Thursday before the fair and
> rented a camper at Willamettans (a nudist camp) and spend Thursday
> afternoon enjoying the sun."
>
> http://www.owpix.com/mw/journal/
>
> The problem with the above statement is that it comes from a couple of
> swingers.
The problem IS that there is no indication they did any swinging at the
nudist camp--which is as it should be. YOU however, point guilt at
lifestyles not "compatible" with YOUR sense of morality--who the hell are
YOU to judge anyone? You are a make believe nudist and have NO credentials
to point fingers at ANYONE. Hell, you can't even give any reference to
having attended ANY nudist resort/camp!
Nudists, above all, must be tolerant of alternate lifestyles if we expect
tolerance for OUR lifestyle. You are neither qualified or experienced enough
to even comment--much less judge anyone.
>
> While I realize that one can't do in depth background checks upon
> everyone that comes to Nudist Clubs, isn't that just the problem. Here
> was a case where swingers slipped in despite the safeguards.
The real problem is trolls like you who have a purpose ONLY to discredit
people and their recreational pursuits without any experience in what you
condemn, be it direct condemnation or by vague inference.
>
> It seems that nudist resorts/camps attract (perhaps through no fault of
> their own) such people.
Thank God they don't attract people like YOU.
>
> So, any ideas on how to keep them out? It seems that all too many of
> them are slipping by.
Just so we keep out the jerks (like Jeff/max/nw) and maintain the healthy
public atmosphere, we've been somewhat successful.
I don't guess you'll have any comment--you never do when you are put down
for the troll that you are...
Dan Abel
"Jeff Jenson" <jeffjenson...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> The problem with the above statement is that it comes from a couple of
> swingers.
>
> While I realize that one can't do in depth background checks upon
> everyone that comes to Nudist Clubs, isn't that just the problem. Here
> was a case where swingers slipped in despite the safeguards.
Of course, what camps *really* want to do is to keep people like
yourself out. Not too hard, since you aren't a nudist, never have been
and never will be. Not a problem.
Nobody cares if swingers go to a nudist venue. As long as they don't
cause a problem, why would anybody object?
--
Dan Abel
da...@sonic.net
Petaluma, California, USA
The Watch Dog
If you read swingers' blogs on the web, you will discover that they
frequent these places as well: churches, PTA meetings, Wal-Marts, the
opera, museums, and the Grand Canyon.
What are THESE places doing to keep them out?
Swingers aren't constantly having public sex every moment of their
existence. (Nor, it may surprise some people, are gays.) They're
allowed in nudist venues just like they're allowed anywhere else, as
long as they don't break whatever rules are in place for the particular
location.
jon...@webtv.net
or crafted for violent trouble makers but might still have a few
problems at times with these violent types...the nudist camps where
folks expose their crotches.......by stripping naked.... are the perfect
crafted destinations for a unique type of individuals.....yeah right i
bet you guessed it...horney folks looking for places where folks get
nekkid in front of other folks gettin nekkid....so since they were
designed perfectly for the swingers and swingers are naturally the
majority of the clientele and actually are found to own these
establishments.....are you hiding your nervousness about sex happening
in the open areas of nudist camps.....it seems most other rec nuders are
concerned about this problem and it has been of concern historically
when nudist are confronted by the media....so for you to mention the
grand canyon is a cowardly cop out to what the poster was concerned
about......and is the reason that media recognizes nudist as having no
credibility.......it seems to me that if nudist were to say yeah....it
is perfect for swingers because they are looking for nekkid folks and we
have lots of em here but we are constantly watching for hard ons which
is an indication that sex might happen......would be an upfront approach
to gaining credibility......but mentioning the PTA and the grand canyon
is a dead give a way to your pissy assed motives.....jonZeee
Mark
"Jeff Jenson" <jeffjenson...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1133229013.2...@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> days instead of just one. We drove down on Thursday before the fair and
> rented a camper at Willamettans (a nudist camp) and spend Thursday
> afternoon enjoying the sun."
>
> http://www.owpix.com/mw/journal/
>
> The problem with the above statement is that it comes from a couple of
> swingers.
To be so dead set against something, you SURE seem to spend a lot of time
hunting down obscure swinger sites. Any comment on THAT aspect of your
psyche?? Seems to me that you must be a sex-starved, ugly guy who can't get
any attention or dates and this is how you get your rocks off....
Am I pretty close to right here Max?
Clan_MacKay
"Watch Dog",
You are so right!!
Swingers go to lots of places just as anyone else does, just because
they are swingers (such an archaic term) does not mean they are going
to be swinging wherever they happen to be.
I know I have co-workers who are swingers not because they do it but
because I have accidentally overheard conversations they don't do "it"
at work, there must be mundreds of swingers walking around town don't
see them swinging there.
Also contrary to jonZee's nonsense people rarely go to Nudist Venues to
have Sex, that's just his pipe dream, I've gone to many Nudist Venues,
Clubs, Resorts, Beaches, Member home pool parties and even a "Colony"
or two while they were still caled that.
I never saw any behaviour that any normal person would refer to as
"Sexual".
People like jonZee and max/jeff/nw try to insist that these problems
exist at Nude Venues because they can't believe any other way.
Clan MacKay
"Life is Short, Play Naked!"
Troll-Free Zone
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/SocialFamilyNudism
http://groups.google.com/group/Future-Earth-Survival
Ian and Carol
They gave no indication of any sexual happenings at the nudist camp,
merely saying... "We stayed up pretty late partying with the people
there, but did manage to get up early Saturday morning to head back to
the fair."
Partying? Is that code for having sex with everyone else there, or
does it mean they stopped up drinking and chatting?
Maybe we should stop anyone who intends to ever have sex again in their
lives from joining, or attending, naturist facilities.
So thats parents off the books. After all, they've already had sex to
produce children, you never know where those urges might take them...
(And grandparents? My gods, they're so perverted they didn't bring
their kids up to be celibate either !!)
Lovers, of any age or sexuality. We all know that people can't, in fact
find it physically impossible to, keep their genitals in check when
they see someone they find attractive. (This doesn't just apply to
nudists, many a time my partners had to hold me back from chasing an
attractive woman down the high street. Sorry darling, I blame the
hormones...)
GROW UP. You are as likely to be approached by people wanting sexual
contact in your local bar as you are in a nudist camp. In either place
you can use the simple phrase "No thank you".
The difference is that in the nudist camp they are far more likely to
accept and move on, because they don't want to cause a scene that may
result in lots of people getting pissed off at them. (In a bar, YOU are
just as likely to get comments against you as for you.)
Jeff Jenson
Ian and Carol wrote:
> Did you actually read the rest of the blog?
> They gave no indication of any sexual happenings at the nudist camp,
> merely saying... "We stayed up pretty late partying with the people
> there, but did manage to get up early Saturday morning to head back to
> the fair."
> Partying? Is that code for having sex with everyone else there, or
> does it mean they stopped up drinking and chatting?
Could be code for having sex with everyone else there.
Anonymous
After more than 30 years as nudists I can tell you that my wife and I have
NEVER visited a nudist camp, resort, colony or whatever you want to call it,
that DID NOT have swingers. As "The Watch Dog" says that's probably true of
just about anywhere. I know for a fact that some swingers go to church.
Many people we have met over the years, who happen to be swingers, are very
nice people. The real problem with SOME swingers who attend nudist resorts
is not because they are swingers, but because some (and I stress a very
small minority) think the rules that apply in church or at Wal Mart don't
apply in the nudist environment. I refer to issue of OVERT sexual behavior.
I have even had conversations with SWINGERS who voiced their concern over
this in your face brand of swinging. Many confuse the term Swinger with
Pervert. They are not interchangeable.
This issue really hits home with us because several years ago, after 23
years of membership we were thrown out of a camp, ostensibly for "bad
mouthing" the camp. The only "bad mouthing" that was going on was our
repeated complaints about overt sexual behavior. The answer to their problem
was to shoot the messenger.
Nudism itself has a similar problem. People who claim to be nudists who
insist on this in your face behavior. Going nude at inappropriate places
etc. Often these people are not nudists at all, just someone who gets off on
shocking others. That's not nudism. Not all people who get themselves
arrested for public nudity deserve our support. For my money it depends on
who, when, where and motive. This in your face brand of nudism makes more
enemies for the cause of nudism than it does converts. The textile world in
general doesn't understand why we wish to run around nude and people who do
so in public and get themselves arrested are usually dismissed as kinks.
THE VERY BEST WAY TO SUPPORT NUDISM.
I strongly suggest that if you truly support nudism you come out of the
closet. Show the world that you are a nudist and proud of it. At the very
least to your family and friends. It never ceases to amaze me how many
nudists keep their lifestyle secret. Even from their children. If you are
doing something so awful that you feel the need to keep it from your own
children maybe you should consider changing your behavior. After all the
feeling of shame or quilt is a sign that YOU feel you are doing something
wrong.
It has also been my experience that clubs use anonymity (or threats to loss
of) as a weapon against it's members. Think about it. If you want to keep
your nudism secret you can't make waves. Can you? You have little choice but
to keep quiet or else ---. I've actually been told by members they were
threatened in this way. When we were thrown out of our camp and we looked to
other members for support we found this to be painfully true. We had a
petition of support with well over 100 signatures and many others that told
us they would like to sign but wouldn't because they feared reprisals. When
it came time to testify in court you can guess what happened.
Before you write, the answer is YES our family, friends and co-workers all
know about our nudist lifestyle. Our kids and grandchildren are also active
nudists. Our openness has brought many new converts to nudism. It is our
experience when people get to know you, like you, and respect you, and find
out you are also a nudist they are much more likely to ask intelligent
questions about nudism and eventually try it themselves.
Jeff Jenson
Anonymous wrote:
> Dan Abel has it right. Swingers per se aren't the problem.
>
> After more than 30 years as nudists I can tell you that my wife and I have
> NEVER visited a nudist camp, resort, colony or whatever you want to call it,
> that DID NOT have swingers.
It seems like nudist places attract such people.
And therefore can never really be family friendly.
Jeff Jenson
Anonymous wrote:
> Dan Abel has it right. Swingers per se aren't the problem.
> this in your face brand of swinging. Many confuse the term Swinger with
> Pervert. They are not interchangable.
Yes they are. Swingers are perverts.
Jeff Jenson
Anonymous wrote:
> I strongly suggest that if you truly support nudism you come out of the
> closet. Show the world that you are a nudist and proud of it. At the very
> least to your family and friends. It never ceases to amaze me how many
> nudists keep their lifestyle secret. Even from their children. If you are
> doing something so awful that you feel the need to keep it from your own
> children maybe you should consider changing your behavior. After all the
> feeling of shame or quilt is a sign that YOU feel you are doing something
> wrong.
It has nothng to do with shame or thinking that you are doing something
wrong. What it has to do with is understanding that it might make
others feel uncomfortable knowing that you are a nudist.
Also, I don't tell everyone everything I do.
Mark
"Richard C." <post...@spamcop.net> wrote in message
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> X-No-archive: yes> news:1133280653.0...@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> Could be code for having sex with everyone else there.
>>
> =============================
> You are a fucking idiot!
Richard,
He's probably a NON-fucking idiot......thus his fixation on sexual people
and sexual acts. If he's ever made it past either hand I'd be very
surprised.
Marsketa
And therefore can never really be family friendly.
Churches attract swingers also. Are they not family friendly. There are
swingers in every part of todays society. You may not agree with
swinging Jeff but at a nudist retreat, if they don't hit on anybody
else and they do whatever behind closed doors then (a) it isn't anybody
else's business and (b) it doesn't harm anybody and that includes the
children
Swingers themselves often have children you know. And they conduct
their sex lives without the children knowing. It is just the same as
anyone els who has a sex life. They don't flaunt it in front of the
children.
Jeff you are the only one here who object to seingers at a nudist
venue. Time foir you to get a reality check!
Marsketa
Marsketa
Marsketa
wrong. What it has to do with is understanding that it might make
others feel uncomfortable knowing that you are a nudist.
Also, I don't tell everyone everything I do.
Jeff you don't tell people you are a nudist (except here on this site)
because you are NOT a nudist.
I am a nudist and proud of it. Everyone who knows me lnows I''m a
nudists. My children, family, frineds, pretty much all my neighbours
etc, They all know. I have nudists stickers on my car so even strangers
know. And most everybody who knows is suppotive and a little curious
about my lifestyle.
Marsketa
Marsketa
Then again it might not be a code. They might have just had a few
drinks and a few laughs etc.
Then again your posting this may be code for "I'm a self righteous
DICKHEAD" Hey Jeff?
Marsketa
jon...@webtv.net
swingers by their crotch exposing behavior....all other places on the
planet do not exhibit behavior that would attract these folks for sexual
reasons..except whore houses and sex businesses......so when nudist
embrace swingers and sex seekers and perverts they are all one big
family as the textiles see it and they are right.....therefore nothing a
nudist says has any credibility regarding this matter and lies and
denial of sex happening in the open public area only makes the nudist
look stupid....jonZeee
Northwoods_Nudist_Couple
Codes???? Hmmm.... are there any Masonic Swingers??????
Who knows what kind of obscene gestures they use at their temple
meetings.
Dan
Northwoods_Nudist_Couple
Philately, hmmm.... I bet you got Jeff so excited thinking about it,
that he'll be too busy using his hands for other things that he won't
be doing as much typing!!!!!! *LOL*
I bet if someone mentions Numismatics, he'll be shooting his load all
over his computer screen! *ROFLMAO*!!!!!!!!
Dan
Gerald
signed by 'Anonymous', which contradicts the message, but anyway.
Your (American) problem is that you confuse NUDISTS (the militant
in-your-face species that can be found in clubs, camps and colonies, on
swingers sites, in groups like this etc) with NATURISTS (the genuine
kind this 'Anonymous' author seems to represent, where nudity in
appropriate places like on a beach, lake or resort is only part of a
way of life for healthy bodies and minds).
I am aware of the fact that in the ENGLISH language both terms are used
almost interchangeable, but I would recommend to make this distinction,
as in the GERMAN language, where modern naturism comes from after all.
"Die Bezeichnung Freikörperkultur umfasst im deutschsprachigen Raum
heute zwei voneinander abweichende Ausprägungen. Da steht einerseits
der Begriff Nudismus für eine allgemeine Haltung, die jegliche
Lebensgestaltung ohne Kleidung bevorzugt, unabhängig von weiteren
positiven Lebenszielen. Der Begriff Nudisten wird zuweilen abwertend
gebraucht und ihr Nacktsein in die Nähe von sexuellem Exhibitionismus
gerückt. Im Unterschied dazu ist der Naturismus eine umfassende,
ideelle Lebenshaltung im Sinne der Lebensreform, bei der Nacktheit
neben dem Streben nach körperlicher, seelischer und geistiger
Gesundkeit nur ein Teil ist."
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/FKK
Rough (unedited) translation by Babel Fish: "The designation nudist
sunbathing covers two developments from each other deviating in the
German-speaking countries today. There on the one hand the term
Nudismus stands for a general attitude, which prefers any life
organization without clothes, independently of further positive life
goals. The term nudisten is used occasionally devaluing and moved it
naked its into the proximity of sexual Exhibitionismus. In contrast to
it the naturism is a comprehensive, idealistic living standard in the
sense of the life reform, with which nakedness apart from striving for
physical, mental and mental healthyness only one part is."
http://babelfish.altavista.com/tr
That would solve most problems with all sorts of people you constantly
get mixed up with...
Greetings from Australia
Gerald
Mark
<jon...@webtv.net> wrote in message
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Obviously YOU only hang at sexually oriented businesses and don't go to REAL
bars......where people go to "pick up" the opposite sex....
You are so fixated on a faulty assumption that you make yourself look
STUPID. But then, that is your norm, not the exception......
When it comes to "credibility" you are sadly lacking--both in substance and
in accurate descriptions of practical experience.
Thanks for proving the truth jonzee........you are the antithesis of the
same......what a loser....
Mark
"Northwoods_Nudist_Couple" <northwoods_nu...@yahoo.com> wrote in
message news:1133301757.6...@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
3 coins in the Fountain.......stamp Jeff as perverted....
jon...@webtv.net
REAL bars......where people go to "pick up" the opposite sex....
travels to a swingers club says it all....yet you accuse others....ref
Jeff and I of hanging out at these places.....nudist camps are sexually
oriented businesses because of the nudity...yet a regular bar is not
rated as sexually oriented because nudity is not used as a welcome
gimmick....deal with it idiot....jonZeee
Nike
lucky couple could of just said NO Thanks.
How does a tiny nudist resort office in a woods conduct a background
check of somebody stopping in for a half a day?
I was more bothered this year by a very hung over obnoxiuos pig, who
should of been bounced out the night before when he was really bombed.
If I was propositioned by some couple I'd of laughed it off and took it
as a compliment.
Nike
Mark
<jon...@webtv.net> wrote in message
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> Obviously YOU only hang at sexually oriented businesses and don't go to
> REAL bars......where people go to "pick up" the opposite sex....
> ====================================== goofus.....your documented
> travels to a swingers club says it all....yet you accuse others....ref
> Jeff and I of hanging out at these places.....nudist camps are sexually
> oriented businesses because of the nudity...
FALSE.
> yet a regular bar is not
> rated as sexually oriented because nudity is not used as a welcome
> gimmick....deal with it idiot....jonZeee
YOU are the idiot, the troll, and the admitted pervert--DEAL WITH IT.
Casa Blanca Hot Spring
Dear Dan,
"Dan Abel" <da...@sonic.net> wrote in message
news:dabel-D6D608.21130028112005@nnrp-
> Nobody cares if swingers go to a nudist venue. As long as they don't
> cause a problem, why would anybody object?
I agree. Further, no one would know they were swingers, any more than
Baptists or Buddhists or even Nuddhists going to a nudist venue.
Bill Pennington
Jeff Jenson
Nike wrote:
> How does a tiny nudist resort office in a woods conduct a background
> check of somebody stopping in for a half a day?
That's exactly the point. You couldn't do such a background check and
therefore swingers could slip in as obviously happened in this case.
And since swingers seem attracted to nudist places it is very difficult
if not impossible to maintain a family friendly environment.
Jeff Jenson
Richard C. wrote:
> X-No-archive: yes
>
> <jon...@webtv.net> wrote in message
> news:11348-438...@storefull-3175.bay.webtv.net...
> 100% wrong!
There has been several posts suggesting that lots of people go to
nudist camps for the express purpose to have sex. That there are areas
that clubs have for people to have sex in the woods. And while it
isn't "policy" it is wink and nod allowed and encouraged.
Jeff Jenson
Nike, most of the posts you make are to the soc.sexuality newsgroup.
So you are not a nudist.
here's a sample of your previous posts.
Newsgroups: soc.sexuality.general
From: Nike...@webtv.net (Nike)
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 17:42:20 -0500
Define Excessive.
How many times a day / week do you bang on it?
How old are you?
Are you a drug user / drinker?
If your doing it everyday of the week then your ejaculation will be
weaker.
NIke
Newsgroups: soc.sexuality.general
From: Nike...@webtv.net (Nike)
Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 15:11:11 -0500
Local: Tues, Jul 5 2005 12:11 pm
Subject: Re: hi folks i got a question
My aereola's are the size of a quarter but its hard to tell with all
the
hair on my chest.
Newsgroups: soc.sexuality.general
From: Nike...@webtv.net (Nike) -
Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 14:25:31 -0500
Local: Thurs, Apr 28 2005 11:25 am
Subject: Re: anal wipes?
Yes, next time you go to the grocery store look in the aisle where
toilet paper is. Look for the Cottonel in a plastic box. Walgreens has
their brand as well called Flushable Moist Wipes.
Shelf life is about 7 months then they dry out.
Great for taking on camping trips & on vacation as most motel & rest
stops have horrible toilet paper.
A plumber that lives across the street from us swears that these DO NOT
breakdown in time and will clog your main line running o to the sewer.
DO NOT FLUSH.
I throw mine in a sealed trash can in the bathroom.
NIke
Newsgroups: soc.sexuality.general
From: Nike...@webtv.net (Nike) -
Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 15:23:37 -0600
Local: Sun, Mar 20 2005 1:23 pm
Subject: Re: Everybody look at her breasts!
tight tops , no bra, lot of skin showing will get my attention.
NIke
Newsgroups: soc.sexuality.general
From: Nike...@webtv.net (Nike) -
Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 00:04:43 -0600
Local: Wed, Dec 8 2004 10:04 pm
Subject: Re: male masturbation techniques
Use a Banana Peel.
Nike
From: Nike...@webtv.net (Nike) - Find messages by this author
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 16:28:37 -0500
Local: Tues, Apr 13 2004 1:28 pm
Subject: Re: incest
In 1969 or 1970 my brother & I engaged in oral ( 4 -5 times maybe ? )
when I was 7-8 years old, he was 15-16 years old. I didn't understand
what it was, but It doesn't really bother me ( now in 2004 ) that it
happened. It seemed kinda fun at the time but being that young you
don't
understand what it is your doing, at least I didn't.
I knew of quite a few kids when I was in school that did this sort of
thing with an older brother/ sister.
Jeff Jenson
After glancing through your posts to soc.sexuality.general it is scary
that you would be at a nudist camp, Nike.
Gerald
Just don't take the kids to 'private', 'adult' NUDIST Camps.
You wouldn't take them to a strip club, would you?
Take them to 'public', 'family-friendly' NATURIST venues like a c/o
beach.
Gerald
Marsketa
STUPID.
He not only looks stupid, he is stupid!!!!!
Marsketa
nudist camps for the express purpose to have sex. That there are areas
that clubs have for people to have sex in the woods. And while it
isn't "policy" it is wink and nod allowed and encouraged.
These posts have all been made by non nudists who obviously haven't
been to nudist venues but have good imaginations. These fantasies have
all been refuted by membersof this group who actually go to nudist
venues regularly.
Marsketa
Marsketa
Do you lick them? How many do you have?
>>I bet if someone mentions Numismatics, he'll be shooting his load all
over his computer screen!
You could count on it but don't forget the dollar value in it! hehe LOL
Markseta
Marsketa
if not impossible to maintain a family friendly environment.
Your presumption is flawed Jeff because having swingers present who
don't hit on anybody or have sex in public would have no adverse effect
on the children or families of a nudist venue.
Marsketa
Gerald
Whitewashing nudism isn't just going to work. That's why I insist on
the separation between NUDISTS and NATURISTS.
I'm a proud naturist, but I wouldn't want to socialise with some of the
sleazy 'nudists' that hang around.
Gerald
Jeff Jenson
Richard C. wrote:
> X-No-archive: yes
>
> <jon...@webtv.net> wrote in message
> news:11348-438...@storefull-3175.bay.webtv.net...
> 100% wrong!
Mark
"Jeff Jenson" <jeffjenson...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1133335429.5...@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Not ANY scarier than your being at a nudist camp.
Jeff---once again, you aren't a nudist, you don't go to nudist venues, WHY
do you post here?
Marsketa
nudist camps for the express purpose to have sex. That there are areas
that clubs have for people to have sex in the woods. And while it
isn't "policy" it is wink and nod allowed and encouraged.
Jeff you are repeating yourself!
There are also several posts in this group suggeating that you don't
know what you are talking about!
Marsketa
Floyd Baker
I've been around for 45 years... Never saw much of that, even though
my wife and I *have* both been hit on, in all combinations. It's
there, just as it is in textile land, and just as (in)conspicuous.
If someone *does* happen to hit you, all you have to do is say no, eh?
As for *'insisting'* on a separation between nudists and naturists,
good luck on that one... Personally I'm a naturist nudist... Or is
it a nudist naturist... <g>
Floyd
On 30 Nov 2005 00:01:37 -0800, "Gerald" <gerald...@yahoo.com.au>
wrote:
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Karl Kleinpaste
> Don't be a hypocrite, Marsketa... in my 30 nude years I've seen it all.
> Whitewashing nudism isn't just going to work. That's why I insist on
> the separation between NUDISTS and NATURISTS.
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=naturist
Trying to manufacture an artificial distinction between "nudist" and
"naturist" is going to be one heck of a tough row to hoe, when the
latter is defined in terms of the former.
Note that "naturism" _is_ "nudism", and that the wording of the
definition for "nudist" and "naturist" uses exactly the same words;
see "synonym" reference.
You provide extraordinarily good proof that, for many people such as
yourself, your outlook is nothing but a political crank to turn, where
you try to make words say what you want, rather than using them to say
what they mean. A political crank to turn, and political baggage to carry.
I don't routinely wear just skin because I've got some Green Party
need to get back to nature. I do it because I like wearing just skin.
--karl,
not a nudIST,
not a naturIST,
I just hate clothes
jon...@webtv.net
expose their crotches publicly will overtly state the most
rediculous..ignorant....claims to self righteousness.....human behavior
is effected when folks encounter public nudity....their sexual urges
kick in because of the nudity and sexual urges in a lot of folks trips
the discreetl/shy circuit breaker....and normal red blooded americans
will take the liberty to ask or hint for sex ...but in clothed
situations would not do so......this is the reason that one could spend
a lifetime and never being approached for sex.....at
walmart..church....city hall....in your front yard...jc
pennys...sears......the doctors office.....the golf club.....gas
station...or anywhere else that the crotch is usually
covered.........glad we got that straight....just remember that sex is
on a lot of peoples mind when encountering naked folks and they will
take liberties that otherwise they would not take when the people are
clothed....and when the nudist say ....you can just use your first name
only if you want.....that adds to the sex urge to take
liberties.....hell these naked folks dont even know my name ....why
not...he he..i have seen many hit ons and been hit on by swingers and
sex seekers at nudist camps...but answered no or yes politely but in the
clothed world i may have been offended...and so would a lot of
people..........jonZeee
Jeff Jenson
Gerald wrote:
> The solution to your dilemma is quite simple:
>
> Just don't take the kids to 'private', 'adult' NUDIST Camps.
> You wouldn't take them to a strip club, would you?
>
> Take them to 'public', 'family-friendly' NATURIST venues like a c/o
> beach.
>
> Gerald
The c/o beaches become beats for gay males. Also many wankers show up
there.
It is hardly family friendly.
Jeff Jenson
Gerald wrote:
> The solution to your dilemma is quite simple:
>
> Just don't take the kids to 'private', 'adult' NUDIST Camps.
> You wouldn't take them to a strip club, would you?
>
> Take them to 'public', 'family-friendly' NATURIST venues like a c/o
> beach.
>
> Gerald
This place wasn't supposed to be "adult" I don't think.
On the web site it say Friendly family atmosphere. But it might be one
of those "wink and nod" places.
Jeff Jenson
Richard C. wrote:
> X-No-archive: yes
>
> Not at a NUDIST park!
> There are many that use the word, but are not.
This isn't a nudist park?
Mark
>> >
>> > There has been several posts suggesting that lots of people go to
>> > nudist camps for the express purpose to have sex. That there are areas
>> > that clubs have for people to have sex in the woods. And while it
>> > isn't "policy" it is wink and nod allowed and encouraged.
>> >
>> ===================================
>> Not at a NUDIST park!
>> There are many that use the word, but are not.
>
> This isn't a nudist park?
>
You asshole--HE DIDN'T SAY THAT!--to the contrary he stated it WAS a
legitimate, bona fide, nudist park!
Why do you twist crap around LIKE THAT????????????????????
You ARE exactly what you appear to be--a troublemaking PRICK.
Jeff Jenson
> Yes.............
> It is indeed a FAMILY nudist park.
> One of the oldest ones.............
>
> Your point? (not that you have ever had one)
Swingers were able to slip in there despite all the safeguards.
Mark
>
>> ============================
>> Yes.............
>> It is indeed a FAMILY nudist park.
>> One of the oldest ones.............
>>
>> Your point? (not that you have ever had one)
>
> Swingers were able to slip in there despite all the safeguards.
>
What in the HELL is wrong with you?????????????????
There ARE no "safeguards" to prevent swingers entering into nudist resorts!!
There ARE SAFEGUARDS, in the form of RULES that make open sexuality cause
for dismissal--and if LAWS are broken, arrest. THOSE EXIST IN NUDIST
RESORTS, PARKS AND CAMPGROUNDS that cater to family nudism!!!!! Laws also
exist for public lands where nudity is permitted (and sexual acts are
NOT)!!!!!
These are the SAME "safeguards" that prevent swingers from open sexual
relations in CHURCH, in RESTAURANTS, in PUBLIC PARKS, in SCHOOLS, in MALLS,
and anywhere else where it is expressly forbidden. THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE.
Do you NOT SEE how absolutely STUPID you sound??????????
If MY mother had raised the FOOL that YOUR mother raised, I'd jump off a
cliff rather than appear as stupid as you appear. I sure as hell wouldn't
publicly show my ass as you have done--embarassing my family and
myself--even anonymously under multiple names, as you have. Your mama raised
a fool. You are an embarassment to educated humanity.
Maria
Karl Kleinpaste wrote:
> Note that "naturism" _is_ "nudism", and that the wording of the
> definition for "nudist" and "naturist" uses exactly the same words;
> see "synonym" reference.
Not true.
Re-read what Gerald wrote here just two days ago:
I am aware of the fact that in the ENGLISH language both terms are used
almost interchangeable, but I would recommend to make this distinction,
as in the GERMAN language, where modern naturism comes from after all.
"Die Bezeichnung Freikörperkultur umfasst im deutschsprachigen Raum
heute zwei voneinander abweichende Ausprägungen. Da steht einerseits
der Begriff Nudismus für eine allgemeine Haltung, die jegliche
Lebensgestaltung ohne Kleidung bevorzugt, unabhängig von weiteren
positiven Lebenszielen. Der Begriff Nudisten wird zuweilen abwertend
gebraucht und ihr Nacktsein in die Nähe von sexuellem Exhibitionismus
gerückt. Im Unterschied dazu ist der Naturismus eine umfassende,
ideelle Lebenshaltung im Sinne der Lebensreform, bei der Nacktheit
neben dem Streben nach körperlicher, seelischer und geistiger
Gesundkeit nur ein Teil ist."
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/FKK
Rough (unedited) translation by Babel Fish: "The designation nudist
sunbathing covers two developments from each other deviating in the
German-speaking countries today. There on the one hand the term
Nudismus stands for a general attitude, which prefers any life
organization without clothes, independently of further positive life
goals. The term nudisten is used occasionally devaluing and moved it
naked its into the proximity of sexual Exhibitionismus. In contrast to
it the naturism is a comprehensive, idealistic living standard in the
sense of the life reform, with which nakedness apart from striving for
physical, mental and mental healthyness only one part is."
David Looser
news:1133383483.4...@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Karl Kleinpaste wrote:
>> Note that "naturism" _is_ "nudism", and that the wording of the
>> definition for "nudist" and "naturist" uses exactly the same words;
>> see "synonym" reference.
> Not true.
> Re-read what Gerald wrote here just two days ago:
If you read up on the history of nudism/naturism you'll discover that both
words have been around from the start, and that the distinction between them
has been a matter of debate for almost as long. The words on the website
that was quoted are just one person's opinion. The fact that that person's
native language is German doesn't make his opinion holy writ. Personally I
think it would be a good idea to have a clear distinction between real
non-sexual family naturism/nudism and the sort of sexualised nudism that
seems to exist in the US in particular. But go back in time and you'll find
that that is not what was regarded as the distinction in the past.
When it comes down to it who has the authority to ascribe meanings to these
words? As with language generally words mean what most users of them think
they mean, or what the dictionary tells us they mean. And it is clear that
on either of these two tests the English words "nudism" and "naturism" are
effectively synonymous.
David.
Gerald
David Looser wrote:
> If you read up on the history of nudism/naturism you'll discover that both
> words have been around from the start, and that the distinction between them
> has been a matter of debate for almost as long. The words on the website
> that was quoted are just one person's opinion. The fact that that person's
> native language is German doesn't make his opinion holy writ.
Not true, David. I was quoting from Wikipedia, The Free Encyclopedia.
http://www.wikipedia.org
Language changes. Encyclopedias (their authors) reflect these changes.
I am a native German speaker myself, and a life-long naturist, so I
know what I'm talking about. Yes, the German origin of FKK was
non-sexual nudism, but "nudism" has long been hijacked by other groups,
has a bad name, and "naturism" is today what it was all about in the
beginning.
Gerald
Gerald
Richard C. wrote:
> Actually, a PRIVATE, family nudist park is far safer than most c/o beaches.
That might be in this particular case, or it might not. This depends
entirely on the management of such place, as every PRIVATE club, camp
etc can make their own rules. Some nudist clubs might be
naturist-friendly; some might be swingers/gay-whatever-friendly. One of
the reasons I would like to see the labels properly applied.
On a PUBLIC beach, or any other public area for that matter, the
general law applies, which outlaws indecent sexual behaviour, making
every public place automatically naturist-friendly. Bad elements are
everywhere these days, but their bad behaviour in public can and should
be reported and stopped immediately.
Works well in Europe, where nudism and naturism is NOT one and the
same.
Gerald
Marsketa
So what? As long as they behaved themselves whilst there where is the
harm?
Marsketa
Marsketa
Whitewashing nudism isn't just going to work. That's why I insist on
the separation between NUDISTS and NATURISTS.
Gerald, I am not being a hypocrite or whitewashing anything. The point
is that all the posters who claimed that people were going to nudist
venues to have open sex have been proven to be non nudists who can't
even name one nudist venue they go to. As for the nudist/naturist
argument, we have already bashed this out on another site so you know I
feel there is no difference. The reason I didn't argue with you is I
don't see any point in argueing with you on this anymore. You
obviously have your mind set on this. Lets agree to differ on this
point shall we?
I'm a proud naturist, but I wouldn't want to socialise with some of the
sleazy 'nudists' that hang around.
I also am a proud nudist. I have been a nudist on beaches for nearly 40
years now. I have been to nudist beaches throughout Europe. Seven years
ago I went to my first club/retreat. I have met good and bad people on
the beach and at the clubs/retreats. It is the same in a textile
environment. I meet good and bad at work and in my community.
Although I have known some nudists were also swingers, I gave them the
type of signals that would have told them that I was not a swinger. I
have been propositioned and even sexually assaulted by two girls at
work who were, with their husbands, swingers. They were not nudists but
they did have families (kids)!
I've met some sleezy people but I wouldn't know whether they were
naturists because to me I don't recognise naturist as a separate
entity. On the internet it is just better to use the term naturist
because you get less "adult" links that way. Textile sexual deviants
are less likely to know what the term "naturist' relates to nudity at
all.
Marsketa
Gerald
Marsketa wrote:
> On the internet it is just better to use the term naturist
> because you get less "adult" links that way.
QED.
Marsketa
There ARE no "safeguards" to prevent swingers entering into nudist
resorts!!
There ARE SAFEGUARDS, in the form of RULES that make open sexuality
cause
for dismissal--and if LAWS are broken, arrest. THOSE EXIST IN NUDIST
RESORTS, PARKS AND CAMPGROUNDS that cater to family nudism!!!!! Laws
also
exist for public lands where nudity is permitted (and sexual acts are
NOT)!!!!!
These are the SAME "safeguards" that prevent swingers from open sexual
relations in CHURCH, in RESTAURANTS, in PUBLIC PARKS, in SCHOOLS, in
MALLS,
and anywhere else where it is expressly forbidden. THERE IS NO
DIFFERENCE.
Do you NOT SEE how absolutely STUPID you sound??????????
Calm down Mark, no need to shout! Just take a few slow, deep breaths
and count to ten before you post.
Marsleta
Marsketa
Hehe
I used to collect as a child. It was mostly anything with flowers or
animals or butterflies! <G>
Guess I'm not in the same class as you on this hey!
Gerald would call you the "naturist of Philately" and me the "nudist
who puts stamps on envelopes" hehe
Marsketa
Marsketa
swingers.
Lots of nudist venues have children's playgrounds but I think the
parents should keep off the sseings and other play equipment and leave
these to the kids don't you?
LOL <G> hehe
Marsketa
Mark
"Gerald" <gerald...@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
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Thanks for your OPINION.....obviously not everyone, maybe a minority if I
judge by the responses here, don't ascribe to YOUR definition. Everyone has
an opinion--to be taken with a grain of salt and subject to
"interpretation".
NUDISM may be a "bad name" in your eyes, but not in everyone's. Think maybe
tolerance isn't your strong suit.
Mark
"Marsketa" <anita...@bigpond.com> wrote in message
news:1133390447.2...@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Actually [MarsLeta], I wasn't shouting. Jeff is Soooooo stupid it takes
throwing bricks to make him stop and think. The fact that you don't "shout"
at Jeff doesn't change your message and your disdain for him......
;^))
Mark
>
> Jeff Jenson wrote:
>
>> The c/o beaches become beats for gay males. Also many wankers show up
>> there.
>>
>> It is hardly family friendly.
>
> In my experience these people are drawn only to UNOFFCIAL c/o beaches
> with a few nudists around, but not to OFFICIAL sign-posted beaches full
> of naturist families.
>
> Gerald
>
You are either very inexperienced or very naive......
Mark
yup---you're right.....it should be but it isn't. There are bad nudists and
bad naturists....(can't tell 'em apart without a scorecard)....
>
> Works well in Europe, where nudism and naturism is NOT one and the
> same.
In your opinion--not in the opinion of the majority of people........lighten
up Gerald
>
> Gerald
Mark
Jeff Jenson
Marsketa wrote:
> >>And since swingers seem attracted to nudist places it is very difficult
> if not impossible to maintain a family friendly environment.
>
> Your presumption is flawed Jeff because having swingers present who
> don't hit on anybody or have sex in public would have no adverse effect
> on the children or families of a nudist venue.
> Marsketa
It would change the vibes of the club.
If People are to a nudist club to have sex in the "garden" then it
wouldn't be healthy for children.
Swingers are perverts and shouldn't be around children.
Jeff Jenson
Richard C. wrote:
> I KNOW some swingers at our park.
Are there places where it is winked at for them to go to have sex?
Certain areas of the grounds that people know if they don't want to see
people having sex they shouldn't go there?
Mark
I've never been to Fraternite Snoqualmie, but I'll answer. Sex is not
permitted on the grounds of ANY family nudist resort--anywhere at any time.
People who care to risk violating those rules are subject to the
consequences in place and/or the law.
Any OTHER redundant questions Max? You say the same crap over and over--even
when people five you the answer. Why do you do that?
Mark
> I've never been to Fraternite Snoqualmie, but I'll answer. Sex is not
> permitted on the grounds of ANY family nudist resort--anywhere at any
> time. People who care to risk violating those rules are subject to the
> consequences in place and/or the law.
>
> Any OTHER redundant questions Max? You say the same crap over and
>
>
>
>
Gerald
> Thanks for your OPINION.....obviously not everyone, maybe a minority if I
> judge by the responses here, don't ascribe to YOUR definition. Everyone has
> an opinion--to be taken with a grain of salt and subject to
> "interpretation".
I share this OPINION with about 10 Million Germans. Don't you agree
that this is a little bit more than my private view?
> NUDISM may be a "bad name" in your eyes, but not in everyone's. Think maybe
> tolerance isn't your strong suit.
How would you know that?
Gerald
Mark
> Mark wrote:
>
>> Thanks for your OPINION.....obviously not everyone, maybe a minority if I
>> judge by the responses here, don't ascribe to YOUR definition. Everyone
>> has
>> an opinion--to be taken with a grain of salt and subject to
>> "interpretation".
>
> I share this OPINION with about 10 Million Germans. Don't you agree
> that this is a little bit more than my private view?
Prove your numbers.........methinks you'd rather generalize your position
than prove your assertion. Maybe there is a semantics difference between our
languages, but nude is nude is nude--whatever the label you choose to assign
it.....
>
>> NUDISM may be a "bad name" in your eyes, but not in everyone's. Think
>> maybe
>> tolerance isn't your strong suit.
>
> How would you know that?
How would YOU know different??????? (Opinions are STILL opinions...yours is
worth no more or no less than anyone else's.)
>
> Gerald
>
Marsketa
people having sex they shouldn't go there?
None of the nudist retreats I have been to have such areas!
Marsketa
David Looser
>>>Certain areas of the grounds that people know if they don't want to see
> people having sex they shouldn't go there?
>
> None of the nudist retreats I have been to have such areas!
Do any?
David.
Marsketa
wouldn't be healthy for children.
There you go agains making quite incorrect assumptions. Swingers don't
go to nudists clubs to have sex in the gardens. They go to be nude if
they are nudists/naturists as well as being swingers. There are
swingers who If People are to a nudist club to have sex in the "garden"
then it
wouldn't be healthy for children. are not nudists and would never go
nude and there are nudists who are not swingers. The two are separate.
>>Swingers are perverts and shouldn't be around children.
Why not if they don't flaunt their sexuality infront of children? Often
Swingers are parents themselves. They keep their family life separate
from their sexual activities just like any other parents do. What
parents are doing sexually should never be flaunted in front of the
children no matter whether they are swingers or totally asexual.
Marsketa
Only the nudist swingers are attracted to nudist venues. Most swingers
are not in fact nudists and so they never go to a nudist venue. They go
to textile venues and they have swingers clubs!
Marsketa
Marsketa
The only ones who say there are areas at nudist retreats for open sex
are people who we have proven have never been to a nudist retreat.
So this is simply a fantasy! Not a reality!
Marsketa
Marsketa
have Sex, that's just his pipe dream, I've gone to many Nudist Venues,
Clubs, Resorts, Beaches, Member home pool parties and even a "Colony"
or two while they were still caled that.
I never saw any behaviour that any normal person would refer to as
"Sexual".
I go to nudist retreats to have a sauna or spa of play some tennis,
volleyball, miniten, petanque or other sports. I go to swim in the pool
or walk nude through their grounds. And I go to chat with other
nudists. Sometimes the clubs have bands and I go to dance nude to the
music. And there is nothing sexual about any of those activities. I
have never seen nudists having sex in the open at a nudist venue.
Marsketa
Mark
"David Looser" <david....@btinternet.com> wrote in message
news:3v88psF...@individual.net...
David,
There are resorts and campgrounds that "call" themselves 'nudist' that are
adults only and have an "anything goes" policy with regard to sex. These
clubs are not sanctioned by the national nudist/naturist organizations and
hardly qualify as family friendly with admission policies that require
adults only. Marsketa's experience regarding such areas is the same as
mine--I have not seen such areas in family nudist resorts.
jon...@webtv.net
monkeys.....historically liars have never won....so the nudist being
liars that they really are saying they never have seen sex happen in the
open at nudist places is repudiated by newspaper and tv reports over the
years....yet they fuss and gripe about the government is not fair in
their dealings with the nudist.......it seems to me that if the nudist
lie ...and it is obvious....then the government has the same right to
lie...cheat...and do whatever they need to do to win......he he
.cheers.......jonZeee
David Looser
news:X4Djf.11206$aA2....@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net...
places that call themselves "nudist" or "naturist" but are actually for
"sexually liberated" people, but I have never heard of there being "certain
areas" in family nudist/naturist venues where open sexual behaviour is
tolerated. There certainly haven't been such areas in any resorts I've ever
visited.
David.
>
Marsketa
That's MarsKeta to you Mark.
Marsketa
(with the exception of a person's PRIVATE cabin/trailer
...........and I guess Jeff would want to go in and check it out
though...............)
Anyone looking into another person's cabin/trailer/tent would be a
peeping tom and would be throuwn out of any nudist retreat.
Marsketa