Guadeloupe nude beach near Club Med
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Mighty CheefDan![tm]
Incidentally, that beach is called "Jean Roquemont Beach" after the
gentleman who pioneered the first clothing-optional beaches on
Guadeloupe. (Also the first officially clothing-optional beaches in the
Western Hemisphere.)
The newest edition of the World Guide lists several nearby places to rent
cabins/bungalows.
Christine
Guadeloupe, so I thought I should mention it.
There is a large, beautiful nude beach right next to the Club Med
Caravelle on Guadeloupe. It is full of natural foliage, so it is not
just wall-to-wall bodies. Locals and tourists coexist peacefully.
Beach merchants were nonexistant when I was there. No gawkers. It is
safe... even women sunning alone don't get hassled. It is also one of
the premiere spots for windsurfing. (foliage shelters sunbathers from
too much wind, but the wind is wild a few hundred yards from the
shore.). The water near the shoreline is fine for swimming.
I don't know of any other places to stay nearby except for the Club
Med, but if anyone is looking for a resort with a CO beach, I would
highly recomend this one. The CO beach is not officially part of the
club, and they won't let you drag their lounge chairs there (so what),
but it abuts the property. This Club Med caters to a largely European
crowd (many French and French Canadians), consequently their food is a
cut above most all-inclusives. Although the club's own beach is not
nude, women can wear just a g-string with no problem. There are few if
any children at the club. A modest number of people in their 20's,
more people in their thirties to fifties.
Guadeloupe is a beautiful Island, owned by the French. The economy is
not as bad as most Carribean islands. There is a rainforest on the
island. I haven't heard a report of any hurricane damage, but it might
be worth confirming this.
Christine
Phil Stripling
>SNIP<
: Guadeloupe is a beautiful Island, owned by the French. The economy is
: not as bad as most Carribean islands. There is a rainforest on the
: island. I haven't heard a report of any hurricane damage, but it might
: be worth confirming this.
Hurricane damage reports are at http://www.crl.com/~philip/dmg.html
Guadeloupe report at http://www.crl.com/~philip/gdlp.html
Naturist beaches in the French West Indies at
http://www.crl.com/~philip/ntrst.html
Hope this helps.
Phil Stripling
The Civilized Explorer
http://www.crl.com/~philip/home.html
Richard Linsley Hood
<chee...@netaxs.com> writes
>Also the first officially clothing-optional beaches in the
>Western Hemisphere.)
Studland beach (Dorset, UK) has reputably been in Naturist use since the
1920s with some people going there claiming to been using it on a
regular basis since the late 1940s.
I will grant not 'official' but you know how reserved us English are :)
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Rich Weyand
>Richard Linsley Hood (rich...@dakal.demon.co.uk) wrote:
>: I will grant not 'official' but you know how reserved us English are :)
>Okay. I'll agree.
>But I won't grant that the UK is now part of the Western Hemisphere.
>Or did somebody move it without telling me?
Isn't anything west of Greenwich (0 degrees) in the Western Hemisphere?
That would include most of England, I think.
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Richard Linsley Hood
<chee...@netaxs.com> writes
>Richard Linsley Hood (rich...@dakal.demon.co.uk) wrote:
I thought that Greenwich (you know 0 degrees longitude) was in London
but I could be wrong. OK so possibly Essex is in the Eastern Hemisphere
but most of the rest of the country is in the West!
(Or did you have a definition of Western Hemisphere that doesn't start
at 0 degrees and go round to 180?)
Mighty CheefDan![tm]
: (Or did you have a definition of Western Hemisphere that doesn't start
: at 0 degrees and go round to 180?)
Yep, I did. Oh well, another dang tangent shot-to-heck.
John Meaker
> Incidentally, that beach is called "Jean Roquemont Beach" after the
> gentleman who pioneered the first clothing-optional beaches on
> Guadeloupe. (Also the first officially clothing-optional beaches in the
> Western Hemisphere.)
I'm not sure what you mean by "the first officially clothing-optional
beaches," but there were nude beaches everywhere in the Caribbean until
about 100 years ago. So there was absolutely no need for any official
designation. Remember people in the tropics never really saw any
advantage in "dressing" to go swimming. That is until the Europeans
went there and tinkered with the native cultures.
I really can't imagine a Caribe in a dugout or bamboo raft wearing
a bathing suit. Perhaps the Aztecs subscribed to "Swimwear Illustrated"
though ;-) And of course the Polynesians are known to have invented
spandex, but I guess that they qualify as a Southern Hemisphere culture
so that discussion wouldn't apply here :} OK, OK I'm off to
wreck.facetous ;}
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Mighty CheefDan![tm]
: I'm not sure what you mean by "the first officially clothing-optional
: beaches, but there were nude beaches everywhere in the Caribbean until
: about 100 years ago. So there was absolutely no need for any official
: designation.
Therein John stated that he didn't know what something was, and went on to
prove that he actually knew what he had just said he didn't. Just like
Columbo, he knows more than he lets on. :)
: Remember people in the tropics never really saw any
: advantage in "dressing" to go swimming. That is until the Europeans
: went there and tinkered with the native cultures.
Remember people in Europe and the US never saw any such advantage either
until the past few centuries.
Richard Linsley Hood
<chee...@netaxs.com> writes
>Remember people in Europe and the US never saw any such advantage either
>until the past few centuries.
I think it was only the last 100 years or so.
Richard Linsley Hood
writes
> I'm not sure what you mean by "the first officially clothing-optional
>beaches," but there were nude beaches everywhere in the Caribbean until
>about 100 years ago.
I think you will find this is true worldwide not just in the Caribbean.
E. Kammin
Richard Linsley Hood <rich...@dakal.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>Remember people in Europe and the US never saw any such advantage either
>>until the past few centuries.
>
>I think it was only the last 100 years or so.
>
Even less. Until this century, swimwear was practically unknown in Russia,
for example. I have seen movies of the Czar, no less, and members of his
court, swimming nude.
Ed K.
Neil Midkiff
:In article <0$QfUEAHi...@dakal.demon.co.uk>,
And well into the Soviet period, as well; Will Rogers's book, circa
1930, about his trip there was even titled "There's Not a Bathing Suit
in Russia".
-Neil
Richard Linsley Hood
<erka...@cycor.ca> writes
>In article <0$QfUEAHi...@dakal.demon.co.uk>,
> Richard Linsley Hood <rich...@dakal.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>>Remember people in Europe and the US never saw any such advantage either
>>>until the past few centuries.
>>
>>I think it was only the last 100 years or so.
>>
>Even less. Until this century, swimwear was practically unknown in Russia,
>for example. I have seen movies of the Czar, no less, and members of his
>court, swimming nude.
I'm afraid that Queen Victoria of England has a lot to answer for in
this regard :(
Elenje
CheefDan![tm]) writes:
>
>: Remember people in the tropics never really saw any
>: advantage in "dressing" to go swimming. That is until the Europeans
>: went there and tinkered with the native cultures.
>
>Remember people in Europe and the US never saw any such advantage either
>until the past few centuries.
>
>
I might quibble on the centuries--I don't think it was really a problem
until Victoria (Richard, are you there?) L.
Richard Linsley Hood
writes
Yes, I already posted that, but the messages obviously crossed. The idea
of having a separate set of clothing to bathe in was very much an
invention of Victoriana. Prior to that (and post that in other parts of
the world) people would have just removed the clothes and jumped in.
Interestingly, most of the bathing prior to this century would have
been in lakes or rivers. The idea that anyone would want to bathe in sea
water was also something that arrived at about the same time as the
costume. Perhaps the wide open spaces that beaches provided were
influential in bringing in the 'modesty bands'
John Meaker
: >>John Meaker (kr...@bga.com) wrote:
: >>: Remember people in the tropics never really saw any
: >>: advantage in "dressing" to go swimming. That is until the Europeans
: >>: went there and tinkered with the native cultures.
: Interestingly, most of the bathing prior to this century would have
: been in lakes or rivers. The idea that anyone would want to bathe in sea
: water was also something that arrived at about the same time as the
: costume. Perhaps the wide open spaces that beaches provided were
: influential in bringing in the 'modesty bands'
Actually that may have been true in Europe, but people in the
tropics used the ocean as a valuable resource. The Caribes (remember
this thread is about the Caribbean tropics) used dugout canoes to
fish and dive from. Of course they also swam and dived in the rivers
and lakes, but they primarily swam in the ocean. And they were users
of the beaches also.
As I said, it wasn't until the Europeans went there and tinkered
with the native cultures that anyone gave a thought to dressing to
go swimming. In many parts of the Caribbean islands today, you will
still see natives in dugouts fishing and swimming nude although it
is not anywhere near as common as it had been.
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Richard Linsley Hood
writes
>Richard Linsley Hood (rich...@dakal.demon.co.uk) wrote:
>
>: Interestingly, most of the bathing prior to this century would have
>: been in lakes or rivers. The idea that anyone would want to bathe in sea
>: water was also something that arrived at about the same time as the
>: costume. Perhaps the wide open spaces that beaches provided were
>: influential in bringing in the 'modesty bands'
>
> Actually that may have been true in Europe, but people in the
>tropics used the ocean as a valuable resource. The Caribes (remember
>this thread is about the Caribbean tropics) used dugout canoes to
>fish and dive from. Of course they also swam and dived in the rivers
>and lakes, but they primarily swam in the ocean. And they were users
>of the beaches also.
>
> As I said, it wasn't until the Europeans went there and tinkered
>with the native cultures that anyone gave a thought to dressing to
>go swimming. In many parts of the Caribbean islands today, you will
>still see natives in dugouts fishing and swimming nude although it
>is not anywhere near as common as it had been.
Yes, I'm sorry. I had digressed into the topic of 'bathing' as opposed
to 'swimming'. The use of the sea as a resource, which of course would
have almost certainly meant swimming in it, was not part of that which I
was addressing.
I am still open to thoughts on whether it was the very openess of the
beach that started the trend towards 'modesty bands' for bathing, as
lakes / rivers tend to be a much more 'cosy' and local environment.
Elenje
<rich...@dakal.demon.co.uk> writes:
>nterestingly, most of the bathing prior to this century would have
>been in lakes or rivers. The idea that anyone would want to bathe in sea
>water was also something that arrived at about the same time as the
>costume. Perhaps the wide open spaces that beaches provided were
>influential in bringing in the 'modesty bands'
>
>
I think I have references to early 1800's or late 1700's about "bathing
machines" on the English beaches (especially Brighton), which were tents
open at the top where ladies could change and then charge madly (well,
saunter, anyway) to the water. The"smarts" rented telescopes at the
nearby lodgings, so they could see inside. Rather an early voyeur
phenomenon. Don't think we could actually blame that on Victoria. George
III was loony by that time, but I think the Prince Regent wasn't so
strait-laced, so it was probably just an ongoing change that Vicky
accelerated.
As an aside (but on-topic, a little), it is interesting to read old novels
and see the changes in attitudes towards nudity that has occurred in the
last 150 years. L.
Oleg Sokolsky
> erka...@cycor.ca (E. Kammin) writes:
> : Richard Linsley Hood <rich...@dakal.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> :
> :>I think it was only the last 100 years or so.
> :>
> :Even less. Until this century, swimwear was practically unknown in Russia,
> :for example. I have seen movies of the Czar, no less, and members of his
> :court, swimming nude.
>
> 1930, about his trip there was even titled "There's Not a Bathing Suit
> in Russia".
It is funny, but not exactly true. In Russia, casual nudity while swimming
and bathing was common (and even that - only in remote villages), but only
among family members and same-sex friends. Public nudity - i.e. being seen
nude by strangers - was very much frowned upon to the point that it was
literally unheard of. I would agree that majority of the population in
villages didn't own a bathing suit - but this only means that swimming in
a mixed company almost never happened.
The royal family may have followed the same suit (or the absense of it :)
but I doubt that it could be documented in any way.
As for 20-ies and 30-ies - again, swimming in any place that could be
considered public was done in swimsuits. Erm, I mean, a place is public
when you're likely to see people there.
Oleg
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