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SeanHooks
slap Oliver Stone? Did she meet him at a party and he said something that
pissed her off or something? Just seems curious since politically they both
seem partial to the left so I don't know why she would be so annoyed with him.
Just curious, I'm sure this has been discussed before. Any input would be
appreciated.
Thanks,
Sean
Coises
>What's the significance of the line where Tori talks about almost wanting to
>slap Oliver Stone? Did she meet him at a party and he said something that
>pissed her off or something?
The verse to which you are referring reads:
|| Down New Mexico way
|| something about
|| the open road
|| I knew that he was
|| looking for some Indian Blood and
|| find a little in you find a little
|| in me we may be
|| on this road but
|| we're just
|| Impostors
|| in this country you know
|| So we go along and we said
|| we'd fake it
|| feel better with
|| Oliver Stone
|| till I
|| almost smacked him -
|| seemed right that night and
|| I don't know what
|| takes hold
|| out there in the
|| desert cold
|| These guys think they must
|| Try and just get over on us
It doesn't seem to me that the "him" she almost slapped is Oliver Stone ---
I think it is the man who is her companion/partner throughout the song.
I don't really know what the Oliver Stone reference is, but in the context
of the song I somehow think it might be to his film "Natural Born Killers."
>Just seems curious since politically they both
>seem partial to the left so I don't know why she would be so annoyed with him.
All of us "partial to the left" are annoyed with everybody else on the left.
The folks on the right we just laugh at. ;-)
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> All of us "partial to the left" are annoyed with everybody else on the
left.
> The folks on the right we just laugh at. ;-)
That's because animals have a tendency to fear what they can't possibly
understand.
Angela
"SeanHooks" <sean...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> What's the significance of the line where Tori talks about almost wanting
to
> slap Oliver Stone? Did she meet him at a party and he said something that
> pissed her off or something?
Sounds line one for the FAQ. :)
Tori explained it herself in a 2002 German edition of Rolling Stone:
"I: You directly attack Oliver Stone- the song says that he deserves to be
slapped. What will he say about that?
T: He's either got a sense of humour or he hasn't. He represents certain
things. He then wanted to use my song Me And A Gun for his film Natural Born
Killers, and he had many reasons, but in the end I couldn't accept them. I
have this problem with Hollywood directors who want to play god. I don't
like that attitude with priests, presidents or others either. I just had to
reply to that. Now I keep meeting Oliver by chance, on airplanes and such.
Weird. We both went so different ways and yet they keep overlapping again
and again."
This and many other great questions about lyrics are answered at the
marvelous hereinmyhead.com Find the song with the interesting lyrics, and
Audrey has quotes about it. Great site.
More about the movie and her feelings came out in an earlier interview, back
in 1995 on CFNY Radio, Toronto. This was posted on RDT by Mike Harris, who
transcribed it.
"BILL: How about the Oliver Stone movie, then? That he approached you to do
some work for that, too.
TORI: Boy, you're quick! How did--nobody knows about that! Yes, he
approached me, and he wanted to use 'Me and a Gun', and, it's a very violent
movie, where the heroine kills forty-seven people, and they wanted to use
'Me and a Gun'. Now, all I said was 'Me and a Gun' is based on a very
personal experience, and, when I say, "I must get out of this," in 'Me and a
Gun', it doesn't mean go kill forty-seven people! And it was very important,
especially for all those women who have been through that (and some men),
that 'Me and a Gun' -- I couldn't have that twisted. There are other works
of mine that I would have been more open to different films, but 'Me and a
Gun', no, if it's not--
BILL: -- the way you want it --
TORI: It's not about, okay, I've been victimized, so now I'm just going to
go murder forty-seven innocent people. Now that might be cool to some
people. But for me, there's a responsibility, when you write pieces like 'Me
and a Gun', where do you stand?
BILL: So you just wanted to make sure that if he was going to use it, that
he used it correctly.
TORI: And I had no control, and I--again, you know, it's about serial
killers. And of all people, Neil Gaiman was the one, I call him up and said,
"Neil, what am I going to do?" And Neil said, "Tori, I want you to go read
'The Morris Murders'." He wrote a story based on the Morris murders, that
serial killer that happened in England. He said, "If you can read 'The
Morris Murders', and give your songs-- 'cause this is not about Juliette
Lewis. She's ain't a serial killer! She's a cute Hollywood actress! These
murderers, serial killers, are not cute Hollywood people. They like, you
know, sit and talk to little children on videos, and then slit their
throats! Now if you can give your material and have it working around those
people and their consciousness, and does it mean the same thing, does it
correlate, is it making sense, can 'Me and a Gun' represent that? Then give
it to them, and if it can't, then don't. But this is not about Hollywood
actors, this is about real serial killers." So, you know, I had to make the
decision, and that's the decision I made."
Angela
Ken Tough
>TORI: And I had no control, and I--again, you know, it's about serial
>killers. And of all people, Neil Gaiman was the one, I call him up and said,
>"Neil, what am I going to do?" And Neil said, "Tori, I want you to go read
>'The Morris Murders'." He wrote a story based on the Morris murders, that
>serial killer that happened in England. He said, "If you can read 'The
>Morris Murders', and give your songs-- 'cause this is not about Juliette
>Lewis. She's ain't a serial killer! She's a cute Hollywood actress! These
>murderers, serial killers, are not cute Hollywood people.
I remember this being discussed before; did she mean the "moors murders"
(most infamous case of killings of children by Myra Hindley and
Ian Brady in the 60's, on moorland in the UK). I see a link to
Dark Angel where they use the words 'Morris Murders', but I don't
recall that name as a famous UK incident. I can't see any links
to any such story by Gaiman out there; perhaps it's not published?
Anyway, I'd be interested to know which is correct.
--
Ken Tough
Angela
"Ken Tough" <k...@objectech.co.uk> wrote in message
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Seems possible you're correct. Unless Mike Harris was familiar with the
Moors Murders, he might have heard "Morris Murders." I wonder if Neil was
talking about the Serial Killer Convention story in Sandman. He seems to be
talking to Tori about the mundanity of evil. I know he did a lot of
research on serial killers for that one. He said at Comicon that he wrote
about the convention because he thougth serial killing was dull, uncreative.
He was aware that serial killers were being glamorized (although not then to
the extent they are now) and wanted to show them in their glorious dullness.
Anyway it's possible that "The Moors Murders" he's referring to is not the
story he wrote inspired by the case, but another book--perhaps the book that
came out the year before Tori's radio interview. I can't find any more
information about it than its title. It is apparently very out of print.
Angela
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Director Oliver Stone met with singer Tori Amos and openly offered her the part of Mallory. Early in her career Amos had been pursing acting as well as singing. She was interested until he explained he also wanted to have her song "Me and a Gun" play during each scene where Mallory kills someone. The song is an a capella account of Amos' real life rape. In response Amos slapped him across the face and stormed out. Amos details this story in her autobiography "All These Years". She also references the incident in her hit song "A Sorta Fairytale," with the lyric: "Feel better with Oliver Stone until I almost smacked him; it seemed right that night." http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0110632/trivia