GAY TORI FANS
BLOOD ROSES
Just wanted to see if there were any gay/lesbian Tori fans who'd be
interested in some sort of connection to other lesbigay Tori fans. Also, if
any of you are going to the Ames, St Louis, or KC shows, email me, maybe we can
get together before or after. Cheers! Myk
eRIK sWALLOW
Ya know, I rather prefer "queer" pronounced a la New England. For
those unfamiliar it comes out something like "KWEE-yah". I love that!
:) Erik:The Rook
"My coping mechanism is in the repair shop" --seen on a button
"and every now and then a bird would not fly by" --Jane Siberry
"I'm coming in the graveyard to sing you to sleep now" --Tori Amos
Adam Christian Schwenk
In article <Pine.A32.3.91.960606...@barbados.cc.odu.edu>,
eRIK sWALLOW <exs...@barbados.cc.odu.edu> wrote:
> Ya know, I rather prefer "queer" pronounced a la New England. For
>those unfamiliar it comes out something like "KWEE-yah". I love that!
>
>:) Erik:The Rook
'You are perfect you are shear. If you are a red head quee-AH'
muahahahahahahahah
--
'To know I was carefully building this mask I was wearing for 2 years,
swearing I'd tear it off. I've sat in the dark explaining to myself that
I'm straining too hard for feelings I ought to find easily.' 10,000 Maniacs
<> adam <> asch...@flute.aix.calpoly.edu <> http://www.calpoly.edu/~aschwenk
Daniel J Horne
Adam Christian Schwenk (asch...@flute.aix.calpoly.edu) wrote:
: In article <Pine.A32.3.91.960606...@barbados.cc.odu.edu>,
: eRIK sWALLOW <exs...@barbados.cc.odu.edu> wrote:
: > Ya know, I rather prefer "queer" pronounced a la New England. For
: >those unfamiliar it comes out something like "KWEE-yah". I love that!
I myself do *not* like the word "queer," because it implies a political
stance that not all gay/les/bi people take. The only positive thing
this term is used for is a sort of "umbrella" term for
gay/les/bi/transgendered people. Okay, okay, we've all heard the
argument before. Sigh. I actually like the term "homoamorous,"
myself. Think about it.....kinda cute, ain't it?
Dan.
Robert the Faerie
On Fri, 7 Jun 1996, Kestrel the Fairly Decent Dragon wrote:
> Nope, no gays here.
:P'
Robert the Faerie
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Give yourself over to absolute pleasure.
Swim the warm waters of sins of the flesh.
Erotic nightmares, beyond any measure
And sensual daydreams to treasure forever.
Can't you just see it? Oh, oh, oh.
Don't dream it, be it. --- Dr. Frank'n'Furter
Robert the Faerie
On 7 Jun 1996, Daniel J Horne wrote:
> Adam Christian Schwenk (asch...@flute.aix.calpoly.edu) wrote:
> : In article <Pine.A32.3.91.960606...@barbados.cc.odu.edu>,
> : eRIK sWALLOW <exs...@barbados.cc.odu.edu> wrote:
Woohoo! It used to be that I was the only queer male rmtaer here. It's
nice to have company. For that matter, it's kinda nice to have other
homosexuals (as opposed to bis) here as hell. And lesbians too. :)
(disclaimer: I'm not saying anything bad about you bis, it's just that
it's great having other exclusively homosexual males around to compare
notes about childhood, etc., with...things that we've gone through but
you haven't, since you had the ability to be attracted to the opposite sex)
> : > Ya know, I rather prefer "queer" pronounced a la New England. For
> : >those unfamiliar it comes out something like "KWEE-yah". I love that!
> I myself do *not* like the word "queer," because it implies a political
> stance that not all gay/les/bi people take. The only positive thing
> this term is used for is a sort of "umbrella" term for
> gay/les/bi/transgendered people. Okay, okay, we've all heard the
Hmm. I suppose I can see that. I like it because it doesn't have the
connotations of 'gay' (which gets fundies mad because we 'perverted' the
language) and because it is inclusive.
> argument before. Sigh. I actually like the term "homoamorous,"
> myself. Think about it.....kinda cute, ain't it?
Homoamorous? [thinks a bit] Hmm. Nah. How 'bout...how 'bout...ah
hekk, I give up!
What we do need, though, is a term that can be applied exclusively to gay
men, as 'lesbian' can be applied to gay women. I object to homosexual or
gay being used because it does the same thing that the patriarchy does;
makes all the important people, the people who do things, male. How
'bout, since homo- comes from Greek (somo, the s got changed to an h...not
the latin Homo for man but the Greek homo for same), arsenahomosexual. Nah.
Robert the Faerie (and definitely NOT sodomite) (berdiche perhaps?) (were
females berdiches as well?)
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"The Jews are a frightened people. Nineteen centuries of Christian love
has broken their nerves" Israel Zangwill
Robert the Faerie
Robert the Faerie
Kestrel the Fairly Decent Dragon
021...@acad.nwmissouri.edu (BLOOD ROSES) wrote:
> Just wanted to see if there were any gay/lesbian Tori fans who'd be
>interested in some sort of connection to other lesbigay Tori fans. Also, if
>any of you are going to the Ames, St Louis, or KC shows, email me, maybe we can
>get together before or after. Cheers! Myk
Nope, no gays here.
Kestrel
The Fairly Decent Dragon
Elusis
In article <4p89fg$k...@netnews.upenn.edu>,
Daniel J Horne <dho...@mail1.sas.upenn.edu> wrote:
>: eRIK sWALLOW <exs...@barbados.cc.odu.edu> wrote:
>: > Ya know, I rather prefer "queer" pronounced a la New England. For
>: >those unfamiliar it comes out something like "KWEE-yah". I love that!
>
>I myself do *not* like the word "queer," because it implies a political
>stance that not all gay/les/bi people take. The only positive thing
>this term is used for is a sort of "umbrella" term for
>gay/les/bi/transgendered people. Okay, okay, we've all heard the
>myself. Think about it.....kinda cute, ain't it?
But it does not adequately describe bisexuals and transgendered folk, eh?
I like queer, myself - it's a nice short term (better than LesBiGay even),
people (think they) know what it means, and it encompasses many
preferences and lifestyles that tend to get lumped under the inaccurate
term "homosexual lifestyle" or worse yet, "sex perversion". I have to be
careful about using it, though, since I never know if it will offend
someone or not.
Elusis
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
+ I dyed my hair red today/ I just want a little passion to hold me in +
+ the dark + We can't do you love and rhetoric without the blood. Blood +
+ is compulsory - they're all blood, you see. + I can make life, I can +
+ make breath + Why go out, why bother? Why work on a book? + More life +
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Daniel J Horne
Robert the Faerie (dece...@fortnet.org) wrote:
: Hmm. I suppose I can see that. I like it because it doesn't have the
: connotations of 'gay' (which gets fundies mad because we 'perverted' the
: language) and because it is inclusive.
I do use that word frequently, but sometimes I think it implies
effeminancy and a certain sort of lifestyle (Barbara Streisand, latte,
etc--yes, I'm stereotyping I know so forgive me). I guess I don't like
to conform to that (I'm so butch *wink*) ideation.
: What we do need, though, is a term that can be applied exclusively to gay
: men, as 'lesbian' can be applied to gay women. I object to homosexual or
It's kinda bad, but the word "faggot" just popped into my mind. You
never hear women called that. But it's not a term that straight people
could use for gays because it's sort of an internal, esoteric slang. I
hope all of you get that idea--the same reason why some ethnic groups
call themselves names that if other ethnic groups called them would make
them upset.
Dan.
Andrew Onifer
Four score and some-odd minutes ago, asch...@flute.aix.calpoly.edu
(Adam Christian Schwenk) said:
>In article <Pine.A32.3.91.960606...@barbados.cc.odu.edu>,
>eRIK sWALLOW <exs...@barbados.cc.odu.edu> wrote:
>> Ya know, I rather prefer "queer" pronounced a la New England. For
>>those unfamiliar it comes out something like "KWEE-yah". I love that!
>>
I like how they say "beer" in Western PA: "Gimme a bir."
I guess that would work for queer, too.
jay
(Gimme a quir)
& I tried to tell my life story to the rain, &
& but it just ran into the sewer... &
& Andrew J. Onifer III ---> aj...@fyi.net &
& http://www.fyi.net/~aj03/ &
& PGP Key on WWW page &
Elusis
In article <Pine.HPP.3.91.960607...@linden.fortnet.org>,
Robert the Faerie <dece...@fortnet.org> wrote:
>
>:P'
>
Say, Roberto, not only are you stuttering today, but you're breaking up
threads something awful. Check your newsreader! :>
Elusis
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
+ And my priest says, "You ain't savin' no souls..." + the voice of +
+ your eyes is deeper than all roses + Who you jivin' with that +
+ cosmik debris? + We're actors - we're the opposite of people! +
+ Theatre is life. Film is art. Television is furniture. + Time Warp +
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Robert the Faerie
On Fri, 7 Jun 1996, Andrew Onifer wrote:
> I like how they say "beer" in Western PA: "Gimme a bir."
>
> I guess that would work for queer, too.
>
> jay
> (Gimme a quir)
Ooh, I like that!
Gimme a quir!
Robert the Faerie (being otherwise braindead and actually feeling ill)
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"When a dog barks at the moon, then it is religion; but when he barks at
strangers, it is patriotism" David Starr Jordan, University President
Robert the Faerie
On 7 Jun 1996, Elusis wrote:
> In article <Pine.HPP.3.91.960607...@linden.fortnet.org>,
> Robert the Faerie <dece...@fortnet.org> wrote:
> >
> >:P'
> >
>
> Say, Roberto, not only are you stuttering today, but you're breaking up
> threads something awful. Check your newsreader! :>
:P
(actually...the stuttering is all Scott's fault. He claims that four+ of
my posts last night came in blank...hmm...so I re-sent them...:P to Scott)
Robert the Faerie (who is gay and who is here, so Kestrel is wrong :P
(who is also happy because his scheme to get rid of the xposted
'best album of the' seems to have worked)
#################
"[His moustache] is the bushy kind that makes straight men look more
masculine, and therefore, more gay." from "The Fiance" by Michael Wade
Simpson.
Robert the Faerie
On 7 Jun 1996, Daniel J Horne wrote:
> Robert the Faerie (dece...@fortnet.org) wrote:
>
> : Hmm. I suppose I can see that. I like it because it doesn't have the
> : connotations of 'gay' (which gets fundies mad because we 'perverted' the
> : language) and because it is inclusive.
>
> I do use that word frequently, but sometimes I think it implies
> effeminancy and a certain sort of lifestyle (Barbara Streisand, latte,
> etc--yes, I'm stereotyping I know so forgive me). I guess I don't like
> to conform to that (I'm so butch *wink*) ideation.
Same here. I've been noticing how much lately I use it too. Hmm. I
have this culturally indoctrinated fear that my queerness shows, that I
seem gay to the average onlooker. Doh!
(I like "butch"* men too ;)
* But have only heard the term applied to lesbians.
> : What we do need, though, is a term that can be applied exclusively to gay
> : men, as 'lesbian' can be applied to gay women. I object to homosexual or
>
> It's kinda bad, but the word "faggot" just popped into my mind. You
> never hear women called that. But it's not a term that straight people
> could use for gays because it's sort of an internal, esoteric slang. I
> hope all of you get that idea--the same reason why some ethnic groups
> call themselves names that if other ethnic groups called them would make
> them upset.
Nah. I don't like it...would never use it that way myself, either. I
still like queer the best.
Robert the Faerie (who just got a haircut and now actually feels
attractive...nah)
%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
"I never thought that I would find myself
In bed amongst the stones
The columns are all men
Begging to crush me
No shapes sail on the dark deep lakes
And no flags wave me home" The Cure
Daniel J Horne
Robert the Faerie (dece...@fortnet.org) wrote:
: (I like "butch"* men too ;)
: * But have only heard the term applied to lesbians.
That's coz you don't know ME! ;)
No, I think it *is* mostly used in the lesbian world, but I use it in the
gay world because really really femmy queens irritate me.
Dan.
Daniel J Horne
Justinian (jtb...@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu) wrote:
: > (I like "butch"* men too ;)
: >
: > * But have only heard the term applied to lesbians.
: actually i've heard it a lot for gay guys. it's kinda like a
: scale of one particular characteristic that runs like this:
: fem <------------------------> butch
But I pose the querie: what makes us think that one trait is butch while
the other femme. Example: why is smoking Marlboros considered "butch"
while smoking Marlboro Lights considered "femme?" And why do we assume
that a really butch guy is a "top?" I know it shouldn't matter, but gosh
darnit, for some reason it does! Probably the fact that gay men have
their masculinity questioned at ever turn and try their hardest to make
themselves look "straight" (though see Robert the Faerie's sig file quote
on why this actually makes them look gay-as-hell!). Internalized
homophobia, perhaps. For example: I don't know why my slight
lisp-since-birth bugs the fuck out of me, but it does! People have
always assumed that I'm gay upon meeting me because of this, darnit. And
I try soooo hard to act butch, but when I speak, everything I've done is
contradicted.
: with every guy somewhere in between. i think i've heard my
: friends say "he is so butch" just as much as "he is so fem". :P
Question for you: does their tone of voice differ when they're making
the assessments? As in, do they say "he is so femme" in a derogatory
fashion (like I, unfortunately, am prone to do)?
: what in the hell does this have to do w/tori? i dunno. maybe
: gay tori fans tend to lie in a certain area of said continuum...nahhh.
Well, here's me on the continuum:
femme butch
1) 2) 3) 4) 5) 6) 7) 8) 9) 10)
Appearance: 8.
Attempted appearance: 9.
Vocal inflections: 3. Harumph.
Preference: 9.
Like you *care*!
Dan.
Justinian
On Fri, 7 Jun 1996, Robert the Faerie wrote:
> (I like "butch"* men too ;)
>
> * But have only heard the term applied to lesbians.
actually i've heard it a lot for gay guys. it's kinda like a
scale of one particular characteristic that runs like this:
fem <------------------------> butch
with every guy somewhere in between. i think i've heard my
friends say "he is so butch" just as much as "he is so fem". :P
what in the hell does this have to do w/tori? i dunno. maybe
gay tori fans tend to lie in a certain area of said continuum...nahhh.
______________________________________________________________
Justinian
Emperor of Molecular Microbiological Fabulousness and Genetics
University of Texas at Austin
Austin Texas 78712
http://ccwf.cc.utexas.edu/~jtbrown/
FOLLOW THE MUSIC LINK TO SEE MY TORI PAGE
"Justin, just in case I like the dancing..." --Mother
off Little Earthquakes by Tori Amos
[okay, okay, she didn't say my name in this song;
but i'd like to thing that she did :P ]
______________________________________________________________
Elusis
In article <Pine.HPP.3.91.96060...@linden.fortnet.org>,
Robert the Faerie <dece...@fortnet.org> wrote:
>On 7 Jun 1996, Elusis wrote:
>>
>> Say, Roberto, not only are you stuttering today, but you're breaking up
>> threads something awful. Check your newsreader! :>
>
>:P
Don't point that tongue at me. Go point it somewhere it can be of use. ;>
>(actually...the stuttering is all Scott's fault. He claims that four+ of
>my posts last night came in blank...hmm...so I re-sent them...:P to Scott)
Indeed. But your replies are still breaking off from the original thread
- instead of going along in a nice line, they wind up as new singletons
with no previous article. Like I said, check your newsreader.
>Robert the Faerie (who is gay and who is here, so Kestrel is wrong :P
> (who is also happy because his scheme to get rid of the xposted
> 'best album of the' seems to have worked)
Let me in on your secret! What did you do???
BTW, do you have any tickets for Denver yet? Have you called to see if
they've released any?
Robert the Faerie
On 9 Jun 1996, Elusis wrote:
> Robert the Faerie <dece...@fortnet.org> wrote:
> >On 7 Jun 1996, Elusis wrote:
> >>
> >> Say, Roberto, not only are you stuttering today, but you're breaking up
> >> threads something awful. Check your newsreader! :>
> >
> >:P
>
> Don't point that tongue at me. Go point it somewhere it can be of use. ;>
No anyman in need of some tongue action? ;)
> >(actually...the stuttering is all Scott's fault. He claims that four+ of
> >my posts last night came in blank...hmm...so I re-sent them...:P to Scott)
>
> Indeed. But your replies are still breaking off from the original thread
> - instead of going along in a nice line, they wind up as new singletons
> with no previous article. Like I said, check your newsreader.
?
Are you saying that nothing is being quoted, or that there is no
reference line?
I can answer the latter one; I get rmta-by-mail from Scott to back up
fortnet erratic feed, and sometimes I don't get a post for days after
receiving it in rbm. So, I reply to the rbm instead. It's annoying as hekk.
> >Robert the Faerie (who is gay and who is here, so Kestrel is wrong :P
> > (who is also happy because his scheme to get rid of the xposted
> > 'best album of the' seems to have worked)
>
> Let me in on your secret! What did you do???
I replied to a few of the posts, but left rmta out of the newsgroup
line. Last time I checked, there were four posts which replied to that
one. So the threads still going, but we're not seeing it. :)
> BTW, do you have any tickets for Denver yet? Have you called to see if
> they've released any?
None yet. :/ Call where to see if they've released any?
Btw, what do you think of another little CO torifest where we can do some
RPGs and some other stuff too for the people who don't want to play them?
Robert the Faerie
=================
"In this story, I'd intended semen to be the water of life. But, in
order to live, I've only tasted mine." from "Fucking Martin" by Dale Peck
Scott Kenney
The Mighty Mighty Elusis wrote:
[snip]
: >(actually...the stuttering is all Scott's fault. He claims that four+ of
: >my posts last night came in blank...hmm...so I re-sent them...:P to Scott)
: Indeed. But your replies are still breaking off from the original thread
: - instead of going along in a nice line, they wind up as new singletons
: with no previous article. Like I said, check your newsreader.
This is a problem that only (I think) affects people using TRN. It has
its own unique view of threading. Robert is posting using my mail2news
gateway, so there probably isn't any Reference: information available.
--
Scott Kenney >|< sa...@chardos.connix.com
Kestrel the Fairly Decent Dragon
Robert the Faerie <dece...@fortnet.org> wrote:
>Robert the Faerie (who is gay and who is here, so Kestrel is wrong :P
Actually, there is a woman for you out there.
Unfortunately for you, her name is Helga and she looks every bit of
it. Stay gay, so the genes don't go on ;>
(for those of you who don't know, that was a joke on one of the lamest
theories about gays)
Kestrel the Fairly Decent Dragon
Robert the Faerie <dece...@fortnet.org> wrote:
>> I like how they say "beer" in Western PA: "Gimme a bir."
>>
>> I guess that would work for queer, too.
>>
>> jay
>> (Gimme a quir)
>Ooh, I like that!
>Gimme a quir!
There's a similar joke among necrophiliacs. "Toss me a cold one."
Robert the Faerie
On Mon, 10 Jun 1996, Kestrel the Fairly Decent Dragon wrote:
> Robert the Faerie <dece...@fortnet.org> wrote:
>
> >Robert the Faerie (who is gay and who is here, so Kestrel is wrong :P
>
> Actually, there is a woman for you out there.
Too bad for her.
> Unfortunately for you, her name is Helga and she looks every bit of
> it. Stay gay, so the genes don't go on ;>
Hmm. If she's masculine enough looking, I may just ask her to get a sex
change.
> (for those of you who don't know, that was a joke on one of the lamest
> theories about gays)
[furrows brows] Er, I don't get it. Well, I think I might get it, but
um, will you explain it?
Robert the Faerie
sacha the idiosyncratic
r...@airmail.net (Kestrel the Fairly Decent Dragon) may have written
(perhaps) :
>021...@acad.nwmissouri.edu (BLOOD ROSES) wrote:
>Nope, no gays here.
did you say (looks around carefully in case someone's looking) -
*gay*
oh, oh, how could you ;) [griggle]
>Kestrel
>The Fairly Decent Dragon
Sacha (who hopes its fairly obvious that he's being sarcastic)
************************************************************
*+he says that behind my eyes i'm hiding+ Tori Amos *
*+show me a sane man and i will cure him for you+ Carl Jung*
*+work is the curse of the drinking classes+ Oscar Wilde *
************************************************************
Elusis
In article <Pine.BSF.3.91.96060...@chardos.connix.com>,
Robert the Faerie <dece...@linden.fortnet.org> wrote:
>On 9 Jun 1996, Elusis wrote:
>>
>> Don't point that tongue at me. Go point it somewhere it can be of use. ;>
>
>No anyman in need of some tongue action? ;)
Mebbe, but idont no eny who can rid yer posts... ;>
>> Indeed. But your replies are still breaking off from the original thread
>> - instead of going along in a nice line, they wind up as new singletons
>> with no previous article. Like I said, check your newsreader.
>
>Are you saying that nothing is being quoted, or that there is no
>reference line?
You've got quotes. But the best way I can describe it is by trying to
draw a thread tree, so bear with me.
[1]-[1]]-[1]-[1]
\
[1]-[1]
That's what a tree looks like in trn. The original message, two replies
to it, each with their own replies, etc. etc. But this is what it looks
like when you reply to messages lately:
[1]-[1]-[1]
-[1]
The little broken off message is your message, not connected to the
original. Alexander Buhr has this same problem, but yours just started it
seems.
>I can answer the latter one; I get rmta-by-mail from Scott to back up
>fortnet erratic feed, and sometimes I don't get a post for days after
>receiving it in rbm. So, I reply to the rbm instead. It's annoying as hekk.
Have you been replying this way a lot recently? Like all of your answers
to the Catholicism threads?
>> Let me in on your secret! What did you do???
>
>I replied to a few of the posts, but left rmta out of the newsgroup
>line. Last time I checked, there were four posts which replied to that
>one. So the threads still going, but we're not seeing it. :)
Hmm. Seems to have worked here, but the problem is that folks can still
reply to the post before yours, which would drag the threads back in here.
Maybe they'll expire soon, though. Nice work!
>> BTW, do you have any tickets for Denver yet? Have you called to see if
>> they've released any?
>
>None yet. :/ Call where to see if they've released any?
Either Ticketmaster or the Paramount. I *might* have a lead on two for
you, but I won't know for a couple of days.
>Btw, what do you think of another little CO torifest where we can do some
>RPGs and some other stuff too for the people who don't want to play them?
>
Sounds like fun. I wonder where we'd do it? My place is way too small to
spread out enough. Maybe abby's place - she's back home now, BTW. (Hi
abby!) Or Misha's? Dunno.
Elusis
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
+ Your blood's on my hands/It's kind of a shame, 'cos I did like that +
+ dress T. Amos + i could step off the end of this pier but I got +
+ shit to do A. Difranco + Be purple, obsequious, and clairvoyant +
+ "out of the ash i rise with my red hair & i eat men like air" Plath +
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Justinian
On 8 Jun 1996, Daniel J Horne wrote:
> But I pose the querie: what makes us think that one trait is butch while
> the other femme. Example: why is smoking Marlboros considered "butch"
> while smoking Marlboro Lights considered "femme?" And why do we assume
really?! hmmmm... cigs never had a place on the butch/fem
continuum for the people i know. i guess b/c there are such elegant
debonaire icons from early cinema that smoked (thus fem). lights are
considered fem? wow. hehe :P
> : with every guy somewhere in between. i think i've heard my
> : friends say "he is so butch" just as much as "he is so fem". :P
>
> Question for you: does their tone of voice differ when they're making
> the assessments? As in, do they say "he is so femme" in a derogatory
> fashion (like I, unfortunately, am prone to do)?
it depends on who's saying it. i tend to say them equally, but i
do think i've heard "fem" a little more derog. than the "butch"
comment...but i dunno. besides, my point was simply that i've heard them
both a lot :)
> : what in the hell does this have to do w/tori? i dunno. maybe
> : gay tori fans tend to lie in a certain area of said continuum...nahhh.
>
> Well, here's me on the continuum:
>
> femme butch
> 1) 2) 3) 4) 5) 6) 7) 8) 9) 10)
>
> Appearance: 8.
> Attempted appearance: 9.
> Vocal inflections: 3. Harumph.
> Preference: 9.
me:
appearance: 3-9 , depending on the day
attempted: ? i'm me! i don't attempt anything different
vocal: 7
preference: 5 :P
justin
Kestrel the Fairly Decent Dragon
Robert the Faerie <dece...@chardos.connix.com> wrote:
>> >Robert the Faerie (who is gay and who is here, so Kestrel is wrong :P
>>
>> Actually, there is a woman for you out there.
>Too bad for her.
>> Unfortunately for you, her name is Helga and she looks every bit of
>> it. Stay gay, so the genes don't go on ;>
>Hmm. If she's masculine enough looking, I may just ask her to get a sex
>change.
>> (for those of you who don't know, that was a joke on one of the lamest
>> theories about gays)
>[furrows brows] Er, I don't get it. Well, I think I might get it, but
>um, will you explain it?
One of the arguments that some anti-gays use is that "All you need to
do is meet the right wo/man." The problems inherent are these: where
the Hell is s/he, and why would I want to sleep with her when I've got
somebody else already?
Besides, s/he could be a trogladite.
Robert the Faerie
On Mon, 10 Jun 1996, Kestrel the Fairly Decent Dragon wrote:
Heh. Heheh. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
Thses people have no idea what they are talking about. And they want to
run my life?
(and no woman will ever give me sexual satisfaction)
> Besides, s/he could be a trogladite.
Yeah, I'm not into neanderthals.
Robert the Faerie
_________________
"But a deltoid and a bicep, a hot groin and a tricep,
Makes me ooh hoo hoo, shake! Makes me want to take Charles Atlas by
the hahahand! In just seven days, oh baby, I can make you a mahahahahan!"
---Dr. Frank'n'Furter
Pierre...that Cayden Guy.
I am starting a new tradition. The Funniest Post of The Week. The first
winner of this soon to be prestigious award is
<drum roll>
Kestrel the Fairly Decent Dragon for this little bit:
>Unfortunately for you, her name is Helga and she looks every bit of
>it. Stay gay, so the genes don't go on ;>
Kestrel, you have NO idea how much I needed that laugh. I've been feeling
low for a couple of days, the stagnation keeps piling on and I just found out
that I didn't get into the stream I wanted. That's right, ladies and
gentleman, I am now an official Newsprint major instead of a Broadcast major.
I can't tell you all how dissapointed I am... it really really stings.
My excuse? My GPA never recovered from the fall it took while my life was in
the toilet at the beginning of the school year. <sigh>
Life is a bitch. A bitch that you're married to with a killer prenuptual
agreement. Only way to divorce her is to lose everything.
-=Pierre=-
___________________________________________________________________________
______...@idirect.com__________________________________________________
I Y E A R N F O R M O R E T H A N J U S T Y O U R M I N D
-Holly McNarland
Pierre...that Cayden Guy.
Twas Elusis who sed:
>The little broken off message is your message, not connected to the
>original. Alexander Buhr has this same problem, but yours just started it
>seems.
Is it just me, or are Pete Caira posts the same?
> Maybe abby's place - she's back home now, BTW.
BUT has she unpacked her computer yet? <sigh> I need my abby fix.
Ben Waggoner
Pierre...that Cayden Guy. (cay...@idirect.com) wrote:
: Life is a bitch. A bitch that you're married to with a killer prenuptual
: agreement. Only way to divorce her is to lose everything.
No, no, no! When you feel this way, remember the wise words of
Guru Swami Ghalijee Gowanananda, who once said:
"Life's a bitch and then you die and then life's a bitch and then you die
and then life's a bitch and then you die and then life's a bitch and then
you die and then . . . "
--
Ben Waggoner
(apologies to any offended Hindus, but that does seem to sum up quite a
bit of the philosophy of at least some sects. . .)
Robert the Faerie
On 10 Jun 1996, Elusis wrote:
> Robert the Faerie <dece...@linden.fortnet.org> wrote:
> >On 9 Jun 1996, Elusis wrote:
> >>
> >> Don't point that tongue at me. Go point it somewhere it can be of use. ;>
> >
> >No anyman in need of some tongue action? ;)
>
> Mebbe, but idont no eny who can rid yer posts... ;>
:P
It's an honest mistake. Really. I mean, I wrote that while logged on to
chardos.connix.com, which has lag time (as in, you write something and
then wait a minute for it to appear on the screen)
> >> Indeed. But your replies are still breaking off from the original thread
> >> - instead of going along in a nice line, they wind up as new singletons
> >> with no previous article. Like I said, check your newsreader.
> >
> >Are you saying that nothing is being quoted, or that there is no
> >reference line?
>
> You've got quotes.
That's good. The fact that some of my posts/messages were coming up
blank was worrying me.
> But the best way I can describe it is by trying to
> draw a thread tree, so bear with me.
[trn tree snipped]
Yeah, I thought it had something to do with trn. I checked out trn the
last month I had my CSU account. In fact, I don't even think I knew
about it until you mentioned it last year.
> The little broken off message is your message, not connected to the
> original. Alexander Buhr has this same problem, but yours just started it
> seems.
HAve you seen Scott's response? I checked afterward and found that he is
right; when I post via tori-gate it snips the references lines out.
> >I can answer the latter one; I get rmta-by-mail from Scott to back up
> >fortnet erratic feed, and sometimes I don't get a post for days after
> >receiving it in rbm. So, I reply to the rbm instead. It's annoying as hekk.
> Have you been replying this way a lot recently? Like all of your answers
> to the Catholicism threads?
I only did this one day. It's too much trouble to reply to the digest.
So, when did this problem start? I've been using tori-gate since January.
(btw, this post should appearcorrectly on trn since I am using my chardos
account to send it)
> >> Let me in on your secret! What did you do???
> >
> >I replied to a few of the posts, but left rmta out of the newsgroup
> >line. Last time I checked, there were four posts which replied to that
> >one. So the threads still going, but we're not seeing it. :)
>
> Hmm. Seems to have worked here, but the problem is that folks can still
> reply to the post before yours, which would drag the threads back in here.
> Maybe they'll expire soon, though. Nice work!
Yes, there is that problem with this strategy. However, I was hoping
it'd work the same way that last names disappear...people will respond to
mine more than the older ones, so that the older threads are phased out.
It worked though and I'm happy. :)
> >> BTW, do you have any tickets for Denver yet? Have you called to see if
> >> they've released any?
> >
> >None yet. :/ Call where to see if they've released any?
>
> Either Ticketmaster or the Paramount. I *might* have a lead on two for
> you, but I won't know for a couple of days.
Hmm. I'm not even sure where the Ticketmaster is up here (if there even
is one...) I'll see though. I don't know...money is kind of tight this
month, so I may just have to skip it. Well, tell me if you do get that lead.
> >Btw, what do you think of another little CO torifest where we can do some
> >RPGs and some other stuff too for the people who don't want to play them?
> Sounds like fun. I wonder where we'd do it? My place is way too small to
> spread out enough. Maybe abby's place - she's back home now, BTW. (Hi
> abby!) Or Misha's? Dunno.
Yeah, it would be cool. I have a lot of room up here, but I also have
three fundie roommates, so that is out of the question. And I know
Michelle doesn't have much room either.
Also, how long would it be? One day would prolly be best. Michelle
doesn't want to roleplay, but wouldn't mind if we did for part of the
time. The way I see it, we could do some gaming for say three or four
hours (usually the limit...attention spans and fatigue and all that),
then watch movies and stuff later. I could bring Duck Soup, 200 Motels,
and um, well, I have Logan's Run, but not the complete movie (I REALLY
want to see this again, so if everyone's willing, I think it'd be great
to rent it). We could also play cards, trivial pursuit, talisman, or
whatever else is our fancy. Ideas?
(I think Abby's place would prolly work best, btw, since it is in Boulder
[right?] so it would be central to all of us)
Robert the Faerie (is Camille going to be back too?)
+++++++++++++++++
"I'm just looking for one divine hammer, I'd bang it all day, Oh the
carpenter goes bang, bang bang" -- from "Divine Hammer" by the Breeders
Adam Christian Schwenk
In article <Pine.SOL.3.91.960610...@piglet.cc.utexas.edu>,
Justinian <jtb...@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu> wrote:
>>
>> femme butch
>> 1) 2) 3) 4) 5) 6) 7) 8) 9) 10)
>
> me:
>
> appearance: 3-9 , depending on the day
> attempted: ? i'm me! i don't attempt anything different
> vocal: 7
> preference: 5 :P
>
> justin
yay! my turn!
appearance: 8.6666666
attempted: well, I've attempted to be about a 3, but ended up a 5
vocal: 9
preference: 7, 8
Yeah, i'm a good ole butch boy (heh...I told Robert the one about
how I joined a fraternity cuz I had a crush on my roomate...not a good
idea!)
I'm convince, however, that men are pigs. Maybe that's why I
like them! ;-)
My stepmom once used that one, 'you haven't found the right woman
yet.' I told her, 'Yeah? Well, I HAVE found the right man...' She
didn't get it. Her loss
Any of y'all check out _The Celluloid Closet_? Pretty depressing
movie, actually.
--
'To know I was carefully building this mask I was wearing for 2 years,
swearing I'd tear it off. I've sat in the dark explaining to myself that
I'm straining too hard for feelings I ought to find easily.' 10,000 Maniacs
<> adam <> asch...@flute.aix.calpoly.edu <> http://www.calpoly.edu/~aschwenk
Darren J Cohen
i both agree and disagree. it's important for gay men to define
themselves apart from others. and yes, i have heard and used fag to
describe others/myself. doesn't really work when a straight person uses
it...usually. however, the reasons for a distinct term for lesbians has
to do also with the sexism that pervades everything and for a need for
women to define themselves as distinct from their gay male counterparts.
however, i think queer is the best. a new term for everyone.
Darren J Cohen
agreed. everyone fits somewhere in between the two (men and women)..and
thank goodness for that.
On Sat, 8 Jun 1996, Justinian wrote:
>
>
> On Fri, 7 Jun 1996, Robert the Faerie wrote:
>
> > (I like "butch"* men too ;)
> >
> > * But have only heard the term applied to lesbians.
>
> actually i've heard it a lot for gay guys. it's kinda like a
> scale of one particular characteristic that runs like this:
> fem <------------------------> butch
> with every guy somewhere in between. i think i've heard my
> friends say "he is so butch" just as much as "he is so fem". :P
>
> what in the hell does this have to do w/tori? i dunno. maybe
> gay tori fans tend to lie in a certain area of said continuum...nahhh.
>
sacha the idiosyncratic
cay...@idirect.com (Pierre...that Cayden Guy.) may have written
(perhaps) :
>I am starting a new tradition.
oh are you just ;)
>The Funniest Post of The Week. The first
>winner of this soon to be prestigious award is
><drum roll>
>Kestrel the Fairly Decent Dragon for this little bit:
>>Unfortunately for you, her name is Helga and she looks every bit of
>>it. Stay gay, so the genes don't go on ;>
right, enough of the childsih obnoxiousness, i want to say
a] i think a fpotw is an idea superb
b] damn, kestral that post really was funny, i nearly had to change my
religious affiliation, i laughed so much
>Kestrel, you have NO idea how much I needed that laugh. I've been feeling
>low for a couple of days, the stagnation keeps piling on and I just found out
>that I didn't get into the stream I wanted.
oh dear :( this is not at all a good thing
in fact , it is very bad
[sorry i needed practice in stating the blatently obvious]
> That's right, ladies and
>gentleman, I am now an official Newsprint major instead of a Broadcast major.
> I can't tell you all how dissapointed I am... it really really stings.
>My excuse? My GPA never recovered from the fall it took while my life was in
>the toilet at the beginning of the school year. <sigh>
now you've gone and made me all depressed <harumph> :(
>Life is a bitch. A bitch that you're married to with a killer prenuptual
>agreement. Only way to divorce her is to lose everything.
how about this, life is like a brick
only worth anything if you throw it at someone
but then rather painful for the rest of eternity
because of what it hits.
like another brick, a metal pylon, stupid university professors
who don't allow you into the streams you want.
not avery good analogy or metaphor, in fact, not really a very good
anything, but i just wanted to be sympathetic
>-=Pierre=-
Sacha {hoping that sympathy is what comes out of this post, and not
simply mindless drivel}
i swear i'm gonna propose to you one of these days, pierre
'excuse me i just wanna say that Pierre is [en francais] 'super'
does this sound familiar, if not just read any of my alarmingly
regular posts,and you will notice that i agree with pierre on most
things and generally think he's cool.
Be scared Pierre , be very scared
Sacha
===============================
"the true story is vicious
and multiple and untrue
after all Why do you
need it? Don't ever
ask for a true story"
Margaret Atwood 'True Stories'
===============================
Kestrel the Fairly Decent Dragon
I really don't like the term 'faggot', simply because of the
connections to the Inquisition.
Daniel J Horne
Kestrel the Fairly Decent Dragon (r...@airmail.net) wrote:
: I really don't like the term 'faggot', simply because of the
: connections to the Inquisition.
Explain, please!
--
=============================================================================
"Tied down to this bed of shame you tried to move around the pain but oh
your soul is anchored." ---Sarah McLachlan, "Ice."
=============================================================================
"Then I would be the One to hold you down. Kiss you so hard, I'll Take
Your Breath Away." ---Sarah McLachlan, "Possession."
=============================================================================
Robert the Faerie
On 13 Jun 1996, Daniel J Horne wrote:
> Kestrel the Fairly Decent Dragon (r...@airmail.net) wrote:
>
> : I really don't like the term 'faggot', simply because of the
> : connections to the Inquisition.
>
> Explain, please!
If I may join in...from rumors I've heard, the term 'faggot' cames from
the middle ages when the authorities would gather faggots (wood) for a
huge bonfire to roast all us queers on. I guess God likes the smell of
burning flesh...
Robert the Faerie
*****************
"You ask me what God was doing before he created the materials of Heaven
and Earth. He was creating Hell for people who asked questions like that."
Saint Augustine
eRIK sWALLOW?!?
I think `faggot' sounds too much like `omelette'. "I'd like a ham
and cheese faggot, please." Could be......
:) Erik the quincunx
"I am not part of God's well oiled machine" --Boingo
"show me the ways to button up buttons that have forgotten they're buttons"
--Tori Amos
"Whatever happened to protesting nothing in particular, just protesting,
'cause it's Saturday and there's nothing else to do?" --King Missile
Pierre...that Cayden Guy.
Twas Daniel J Horne who sed:
>
>Kestrel the Fairly Decent Dragon (r...@airmail.net) wrote:
>
>: I really don't like the term 'faggot', simply because of the
>: connections to the Inquisition.
>
>Explain, please!
Hmmm... that's a fairly weird connection, but a connection none-the-less.
A "Fagot" in French is a bundle of small dry wood... just think back to
movies about medieval times, that armload of wood the poor people always seem
to be carrying...
Anyways, toss together enough fagots, and you have yourself a "bucher", which
where how heretics, witches and everybody else the Inquisition felt like
where burnt.
Pierre...that Cayden Guy.
Twas sacha the idiosyncratic who sed:
>>that I didn't get into the stream I wanted.
>
>oh dear :( this is not at all a good thing
>in fact , it is very bad
>[sorry i needed practice in stating the blatently obvious]
I decided to get over it and have been quite activly running amock this week.
No time to feel sorry for myself. And I found out I could still take a
couple of Broadcast courses in 4th year so it's not a total loss.
>now you've gone and made me all depressed <harumph> :(
Yea... just think how *I* felt.
>how about this, life is like a brick
>only worth anything if you throw it at someone
>but then rather painful for the rest of eternity
>because of what it hits.
>like another brick, a metal pylon, stupid university professors
>who don't allow you into the streams you want.
<g> I like that part about the professors... <eg> It's giving me ideas.
>Sacha {hoping that sympathy is what comes out of this post, and not
>simply mindless drivel}
What's wrong with mindless drivel??? I do it ALL the time.
>i swear i'm gonna propose to you one of these days, pierre
Okay, but be warned, I don't put out on the first date. Unless diner's
REALLY good.
> 'excuse me i just wanna say that Pierre is [en francais] 'super'
>does this sound familiar, if not just read any of my alarmingly
>regular posts,and you will notice that i agree with pierre on most
>things and generally think he's cool.
Is it just me, or is Sacha a being of exquisite taste and brilliant mind?
-=Pierre...who shouldn't be posting when this tired=-
Kestrel the Fairly Decent Dragon
dho...@mail1.sas.upenn.edu (Daniel J Horne) wrote:
>: I really don't like the term 'faggot', simply because of the
>: connections to the Inquisition.
>Explain, please!
Gays were burned during the Inquisition, on a pile of wood: a faggot.
The term now refers to gays as firewood.
Outi Koivisto
Daniel J Horne (dho...@mail1.sas.upenn.edu) wrote:
: Well, here's me on the continuum:
: femme butch
: 1) 2) 3) 4) 5) 6) 7) 8) 9) 10)
: Appearance: 8.
: Attempted appearance: 9.
: Vocal inflections: 3. Harumph.
: Preference: 9.
Why do people have to constantly define others and themselves? Not only do my
appearence and preference change constantly, but my sexuality too. I think
intolerance (like heterosexism and homophobia OR heterophobia and homosexism)
derives from these defnitions. I try to express myself without any restrictions
and allow myself to change my views whenever necessary. i do understand your
point though, sometimes I too am able to rate my femininity/masculinity and
heterosexuality/homosexuality but it is just for fun and nothing permanent.
Today I feel 50/50 and not very sexual of any kind, homo- or hetero.
Outi Koivisto <ok5...@uta.fi>
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
# Jazz is the only true art form this country has come up with... #
# except maybe the atomic bomb. #
# -- Jackie McLean #
Darren J Cohen
i understand the connection to the inquisition (although it's a long
connection), but i think you're missing the point.
Robert the Faerie
On 14 Jun 1996, Outi Koivisto wrote:
> Why do people have to constantly define others and themselves? Not only do my
> appearence and preference change constantly, but my sexuality too. I think
> intolerance (like heterosexism and homophobia OR heterophobia and homosexism)
> derives from these defnitions. I try to express myself without any restrictions
> and allow myself to change my views whenever necessary. i do understand your
> point though, sometimes I too am able to rate my femininity/masculinity and
> heterosexuality/homosexuality but it is just for fun and nothing permanent.
> Today I feel 50/50 and not very sexual of any kind, homo- or hetero.
Well, that's fine for you, but that doesn't apply to everybody. Me?
I've been gay for my entire life. I've never been attracted to a female,
ever, so why shouldn't I label myself a homosexual. This does not mean
that I will automatically be heterophobic (though I will be homosexist to
a degree, and why not?). Sexuality is very complex, and what may be true
for you may not be true for everyone else.
Robert the Faerie (who has kinda been avoiding rating himself, because
it'd prolly get him more depressed than he already is)
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
"You can't call home, you never can call,
You can't call home, you never can call,
Don't even write!" -- "You Can't Call Home" by the Breeders
Scott Kenney
The Mighty Mighty Robert the Faerie wrote:
: Well, that's fine for you, but that doesn't apply to everybody. Me?
: ever, so why shouldn't I label myself a homosexual. This does not mean
: that I will automatically be heterophobic (though I will be homosexist to
: a degree, and why not?). Sexuality is very complex, and what may be true
: for you may not be true for everyone else.
themselves are evil. It's an excuse for people to write you off without
knowing anything else about you. Labels encourage that.
--
scott kenney * sa...@chardos.connix.com * freebsd hacker * toriphile
veteran of the psychic wars * agent of fortune
disgruntled postal worker * aimee-fan
nomad of the time streams
Daniel J Horne
Robert the Faerie (dece...@fortnet.org) wrote:
: Well, that's fine for you, but that doesn't apply to everybody. Me?
: I've been gay for my entire life.
Yeah, me too. I had crushes on our town's baseball players when I was
like five years old.
Dan, whose tastes have been "upped" consderably!
Aimee Lortskell
: Okay, but be warned, I don't put out on the first date. Unless diner's
: REALLY good.
or if you're the one who makes it?
Aimee the Magdalene (heh)
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\ Butts can be used for so many purposes--
\ you can decorate your home with them,
\ you can use it as a status symbol,
\ you can use it as a handle,
\ you can smack it if it gets out of hand...
\ - mycroft evans
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BLOOD ROSES
Hey!! I started a thread! I'm so honored! teehee Myk
Robert the Faerie
On 15 Jun 1996, Daniel J Horne wrote:
> Robert the Faerie (dece...@fortnet.org) wrote:
> : Well, that's fine for you, but that doesn't apply to everybody. Me?
> : I've been gay for my entire life.
>
> Yeah, me too. I had crushes on our town's baseball players when I was
> like five years old.
Really? I thought I was the only precocious one here when it came to
sex. Hell, I knew I was gay when I was three or four and watching My
Three Sons...this woman was seducing the father (or at least trying to)
and trying to get him to take his shirt off. I kept on thinking "Come
on! Take it off! I want to see his chest!".
> Dan, whose tastes have been "upped" consderably!
Hey, what's wrong with baseball players? Of all the team sports, I think
they're the ones with the best uniforms. I dunno. They just turn me on.
Robert the Faerie (who likes men in uniform...though he'd never ever join
the military and doubts that most military men would want his affection)
+++++++++++++++++
"Give me peace...love...and a hard...COCK!!!" Tori Amos
Bryan144
Once upon a time, Scott Kenney <sa...@chardos.connix.com> wrote:
>The Mighty Mighty Robert the Faerie wrote:
>: Well, that's fine for you, but that doesn't apply to everybody. Me?
>: I've been gay for my entire life. I've never been attracted to a
female,
>: ever, so why shouldn't I label myself a homosexual. This does not mean
>: that I will automatically be heterophobic (though I will be homosexist
to
>: a degree, and why not?). Sexuality is very complex, and what may be
true
>: for you may not be true for everyone else.
>The point isn't who you're attracted to, the point is the labels
>themselves are evil. It's an excuse for people to write you off without
>knowing anything else about you. Labels encourage that.
One of my favorite quotes from The Illuminatus! Trilogy: "Individuality
is ignored when identity is asserted."
Bryan (who finds just about everybody on rmta sexy...... well not
*everybody*) ;)
Aimee Lortskell
Robert the Faerie (dece...@chardos.connix.com) wrote:
[snip]
: (who likes men in uniform...though he'd never ever join
: the military and doubts that most military men would want his affection)
3 words: in the navy. ;)
aside from that, i don't get why anyone finds uniforms attractive. i
find them indicative of conformity and therefore creepy.
Aimee the Magdalene
i think the good book is missing some pages.
- Tori Amos
#--------------------------------------------#
agnostic apathetic atheist
don't know, don't care, don't buy it!
Le Revenant
Aimee Lortskell (ai...@rocket.cc.umr.edu) wrote:
: aside from that, i don't get why anyone finds uniforms attractive. i
Well, not that I do find them attractive or anything, but I can explain
why they're sometimes "fetished."
1) Authoritarian fantasies.
2) Stereotyped masculinity.
3) Doing it with someone you're not "supposed" to do it with (cop,
fireman, etc).
Dan.
Adam Christian Schwenk
In article <4q4d0k$k...@hptemp1.cc.umr.edu>,
Aimee Lortskell <ai...@rocket.cc.umr.edu> wrote:
>Robert the Faerie (dece...@chardos.connix.com) wrote:
>[snip]
>: (who likes men in uniform...though he'd never ever join
>: the military and doubts that most military men would want his affection)
>
>3 words: in the navy. ;)
>
>find them indicative of conformity and therefore creepy.
Eh. Give me an Army boy. Especially one with big pecs in one of
those tight grey t-shirts....I'll rip that shirt off and lick the sweat
off his nipples! ;-)
edmi...@freenet.vcu.edu
>
> RE: GAY TORI FANS
>
Scott Kenney wrote:
>The Mighty Mighty Robert the Faerie wrote:
>
>: Well, that's fine for you, but that doesn't apply to everybody. Me?
>: I've been gay for my entire life. I've never been attracted to a female,
>: ever, so why shouldn't I label myself a homosexual. This does not mean
>: that I will automatically be heterophobic (though I will be homosexist to
>: a degree, and why not?). Sexuality is very complex, and what may be true
>: for you may not be true for everyone else.
>
>The point isn't who you're attracted to, the point is the labels
>themselves are evil. It's an excuse for people to write you off without
>knowing anything else about you. Labels encourage that.
But Robert is the one who is saying he's a homosexual. No one
else is telling him that he's gay. Now I think labels are
wrong if you look at someone and say "oh, he's a [whatever]"
without knowing him and not getting to know him because you
think he's something. So you're saying that if I'm to call
myself a teenage girl (which is true) that I would be wrong in
labelling myself like that? What if I wanted to say I was a
coffee mug? Would that be wrong of me? There is a difference
between what you choose to say you are and what other people
say you are. Labels aren't wonderful things, but as humans, I
think we need them. We classify everything...this doesn't mean
we have to go separate ourselves into groups...it is just
another way to identify ourselves.
Eden
--
"What drives you on can drive you mad."
-Garbage
Robert Johnson
On 17 Jun 1996, Aimee Lortskell wrote:
> Robert the Faerie (dece...@chardos.connix.com) wrote:
> [snip]
> : (who likes men in uniform...though he'd never ever join
> : the military and doubts that most military men would want his affection)
>
> 3 words: in the navy. ;)
Heh. Actually, the Navy is the only branch of the military where men
DON'T look good in uniform. At least not the enlisted men.
> aside from that, i don't get why anyone finds uniforms attractive. i
> find them indicative of conformity and therefore creepy.
Yeah, I find that aspect of them creepy too. But there's just something
about the uniform...Dan mentioned several reasons (and I want to
reply to his, but the post hasn't reached fortnet yet!)...it's an
expression of maleness. Besides, it gives me pleasantly malevolent feelings
reading some of the alt.sex.stories.gay stories where two men make out in the
middle of camp, or whatnot...perverting that het ideal. BWAHAHAHA!!!
Robert the Faerie
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"And the wrong words make you listen, in this criminal world,
Remember it's true, loyalty is valuable but our lives are
valuable too" David Bowie
cOrNfLaKe GrRrL
wow...i'm quite impressed. when i first saw this thread pop
up in discussion i thought *damn...there'll be flamers here,
i shouldn't even bother looking*...i'm SO glad that i was
wrong!
i see so few discussions amongst gays and bisexuals that
aren't bombarded by rude, ignorant homophobes...with
their teeth bared and snarling.
any-who....
i've probably been bi all me life. when i look back, now,
i realize that there were a few girls i had had crushes
on...of course, i didn't realize they were crushes back
then...where i grew up, that wasn't an OPTION.
and, to get back on the topic....
i've never really been all that impressed by people in uniforms.
could be just me, though....
cOrNfLaKe GrRrL ************************************************
* "Hot tub, wessen oil, corn flakes, scuba gear..." -aLice dOnut*
*****************************************************************
Robert the Faerie
On 17 Jun 1996, Le Revenant wrote:
> Aimee Lortskell (ai...@rocket.cc.umr.edu) wrote:
> : aside from that, i don't get why anyone finds uniforms attractive. i
> : find them indicative of conformity and therefore creepy.
>
> Well, not that I do find them attractive or anything, but I can explain
> why they're sometimes "fetished."
> 1) Authoritarian fantasies.
> 2) Stereotyped masculinity.
Well, these are pretty much the same thing. Our society equates
authority with masculinity.
> 3) Doing it with someone you're not "supposed" to do it with (cop,
> fireman, etc).
Yes, bwaHAHAHAHA!!! My fantasy, to go out there and seduce a whole
company of military men!
Personally, the one aspect of men in uniform that turns me on is the fact
that they are well groomed. Hair cut short, immaculately combed. And
the uniform itself. Men in suits sometimes turn me on in the same way.
Robert the Faerie (but not men in tuxes, tuxes are too frilly for my tastes)
+++++++++++++++++
Hey ugly folks, go get some cyanide an' die, DIE DIE DIE DIE
--- "I'm So Cute" by Frank Zappa
P of Dark
Just a random thought still on the subject.
At the 7 pm Detroit concert, my male heterosexual friend and I sat next to
two other guys.
We didn't think anything of it, seeing as we could have also easily looked
gay.
But, afterwards, my friend told me that he overheard one say to the other,
"Tori Amos music turns me on. Let's go back to my place."
I found this both cute and amusing.
I would have felt the same though if it was a guy and a girl.
Just a fun little anecdote.
-Tony
Angela Reid
edmi...@freenet.vcu.edu wrote:
: myself a teenage girl (which is true) that I would be wrong in
: labelling myself like that? What if I wanted to say I was a
: coffee mug? Would that be wrong of me? There is a difference
: between what you choose to say you are and what other people
: say you are. Labels aren't wonderful things, but as humans, I
: think we need them. We classify everything...this doesn't mean
: we have to go separate ourselves into groups...it is just
: another way to identify ourselves.
Argue for your limitations, and they are yours. : )
Here's the Theory:
Labels can be fine, but they can also be personally limiting and
damaging. After all, these are labels that were taught to us, the
criteria were taught to us. Little kids who say, "I'm a winner" are
echoing the lessons of others just as little kids who say, "I'm a loser"
are. Declaring yourself a homosexual is fine, depending on what you mean
by it. If you mean, "So far in my life, I have been sleeping with others
of the same sex, and I am not at this time attracted to members of the
opposite sex," you're open. In this case, not being open limits only
you. But that's not true in every circumstance, and even beyond that,
you run into the fact that language is a shifting signifier and what
your label means to you may not be what your label means to me. If you
identify yourself to me by saying, for example, "I'm a conservative,"
you may be thinking, "I don't believe we should have much involvement
with foreign government and I believe the government should be involved
in our lives as little as possible." I may be hearing, "I don't believe
in freedom of choice, and I think people should be made to pray in
school." Strike one against labels. They preclude genuine conversation
by limiting us to cliches that have variant significance. Labels also
become battling grounds in and of themselves. Am I a victim of child
abuse or a survivor of child abuse? Why has negro/negroid become a
hurtful term? Why do so many feminists battle over the use of the
general pronoun "he"? Why did Sojourner Truth ask, "Ain't I a Woman?"
Why did Denise Riley ponder, "Am I That Name?" Because labels are far
more than simple catagories--they are inclusive and exclusive by
definition, confining rather than liberating. They are boxes, and, while
they can be used to forge identity, they can also be used to freeze it.
If the label you've embraced for yourself is a destructive one, like
"Stupid," they can destroy you inside.
The fact:
Or at least as I see it. Labels are necessary and can be used
constructively as points of entry to conversation rather than walls.
Unfortunately, many people we encounter in our lives will only see them
as walls. The fact that I am a Christian automatically closes doors on
me that might not be closed if people took the time to learn what
Christianity means to me, who I really am (and some of those doors would
remain closed but for legitimate rather than superficial reasons).
Similarly, the fact that I am of mixed race closes doors for me all
around (a label I wear on my face, no less, and one I could not change).
Labels can be very valuable. But use them carefully. They are also one
of the foundational building blocks of hate.
Angela
Le Revenant
Robert the Faerie (dece...@chardos.connix.com) wrote:
: Personally, the one aspect of men in uniform that turns me on is the fact
: that they are well groomed. Hair cut short, immaculately combed. And
: the uniform itself. Men in suits sometimes turn me on in the same way.
Yeah, but sometimes it's exciting to look at a complete greasy
sleazeball.
Dan.
Le Revenant
Robert Johnson (dece...@fortnet.org) wrote:
: expression of maleness. Besides, it gives me pleasantly malevolent feelings
: reading some of the alt.sex.stories.gay stories where two men make out in the
: middle of camp, or whatnot...perverting that het ideal. BWAHAHAHA!!!
Robert, go to my homepage (http://www.sas.upenn.edu/~dhorne) and click
under a link that refers to autoeroticism, and you'll find simply the
most amazing "uniform" stories from a.s.s.g. you can imagine!!!
Dan.
Ryan DeRyke
In article <Pine.BSF.3.91.960617...@chardos.connix.com>,
dece...@linden.fortnet.org wrote:
> On 15 Jun 1996, Daniel J Horne wrote:
>
> > Robert the Faerie (dece...@fortnet.org) wrote:
> > : Well, that's fine for you, but that doesn't apply to everybody. Me?
> > : I've been gay for my entire life.
> >
> > Yeah, me too. I had crushes on our town's baseball players when I was
> > like five years old.
>
> Really? I thought I was the only precocious one here when it came to
> sex. Hell, I knew I was gay when I was three or four and watching My
> Three Sons...this woman was seducing the father (or at least trying to)
> and trying to get him to take his shirt off. I kept on thinking "Come
> on! Take it off! I want to see his chest!".
>
Well, I has my first crush on my sister's boyfriend when I was about
four! And that was eleven years ago (you can figure it out yourself).
I'm rather precocious myself. Ha Ha Ha!!!! And yet - Back to Tori. Does
anyone have a report on her religious interests and a possible connection
to PELE the Hawaiian goddess of the volcano?
Aimee Lortskell
Le Revenant (dho...@mail1.sas.upenn.edu) wrote:
: Aimee Lortskell (ai...@rocket.cc.umr.edu) wrote:
: : aside from that, i don't get why anyone finds uniforms attractive. i
: : find them indicative of conformity and therefore creepy.
: Well, not that I do find them attractive or anything, but I can explain
: why they're sometimes "fetished."
: 1) Authoritarian fantasies.
EW! but then, you could have guessed that i like to be the authority.
: 2) Stereotyped masculinity.
double EW!
: 3) Doing it with someone you're not "supposed" to do it with (cop,
: fireman, etc).
i've never grasped the concept of 'supposed'.
Aimee Lortskell
Adam Christian Schwenk (asch...@flute.aix.calpoly.edu) wrote:
: Aimee Lortskell <ai...@rocket.cc.umr.edu> wrote:
: >aside from that, i don't get why anyone finds uniforms attractive. i
: >find them indicative of conformity and therefore creepy.
: off his nipples! ;-)
first, i don't fuck men whose breasts are big but firmer than mine.
second, take a shower for christ's buttered sake! you won't have to
fight me for the army boys at all. uh-uh.
Aimee the Magadalene
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
= fist me, i'm french! =
= - Pierre Becquey =
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Le Revenant
Aimee Lortskell (ai...@rocket.cc.umr.edu) wrote:
Robert said this:
: : Eh. Give me an Army boy. Especially one with big pecs in one of
: : those tight grey t-shirts....I'll rip that shirt off and lick the sweat
: : off his nipples! ;-)
: first, i don't fuck men whose breasts are big but firmer than mine.
: second, take a shower for christ's buttered sake! you won't have to
: fight me for the army boys at all. uh-uh.
Alright Robert. Aimee doesn't want him. It's just you and me, so put
up your dukes and fight like a man!
Dan, who has no problems at all fucking guys with breasts as big as but
firmer than Aimee's.
Aimee Lortskell
Le Revenant (dho...@mail1.sas.upenn.edu) wrote:
ew! you both have horrible taste in men! suits? grease? yuck-O!!!
eRIK sWALLOW?!?
Oh, Robert! I was almost totally in love with you until the tuxes
bit. For me, the full suit or tuxedo on an inshape man is awesome. "I
like just looking..." Meow....
:) Erik
"but I still can hope you will see I'm your home" -- Tori Amos
"this stick was signed by Jean Belliveau so don't fucking tell me
where to fucking go" -- Jane Siberry
"everybody wants prosthetic foreheads on their real heads"
-- They Might Be Giants
On Tue, 18 Jun 1996, Robert the Faerie wrote:
> Personally, the one aspect of men in uniform that turns me on is the fact
> that they are well groomed. Hair cut short, immaculately combed. And
> the uniform itself. Men in suits sometimes turn me on in the same way.
>
>
eRIK sWALLOW?!?
Hmmm. THAT's a new one on me.... Interpret that how y'all wish ;)
:) Erik
"but I still can hope you will see I'm your home" -- Tori Amos
"this stick was signed by Jean Belliveau so don't fucking tell me
where to fucking go" -- Jane Siberry
"everybody wants prosthetic foreheads on their real heads"
-- They Might Be Giants
eRIK sWALLOW?!?
Hey, Reve! Are tix being sold for that event? ;)
:) Erik
"but I still can hope you will see I'm your home" -- Tori Amos
"this stick was signed by Jean Belliveau so don't fucking tell me
where to fucking go" -- Jane Siberry
"everybody wants prosthetic foreheads on their real heads"
-- They Might Be Giants
ako...@kate.smith.edu
In Article noid
writes:
>Robert the Faerie (dece...@fortnet.org) wrote:
>: Well, that's fine for you, but that doesn't apply to everybody. Me?
>: I've been gay for my entire life.
>
>Yeah, me too. I had crushes on our town's baseball players when I was
>like five years old.
Hey! I've been gone awhile, but I just caught this topic thread. As
for me, I'd have to agree. (with both the "everyone is different" and the
"I've known since I was a young 'un.") And hey, what's wrong with baseball
players? (Or softball, I should say. . .)
---- Flame Girl
never dated one. . .yet. . .
ako...@kate.smith.edu
In Article <dt16y...@chardos.connix.com>
Scott Kenney <sa...@chardos.connix.com> writes:
>The Mighty Mighty Robert the Faerie wrote:
>
>: Well, that's fine for you, but that doesn't apply to everybody. Me?
>: ever, so why shouldn't I label myself a homosexual. This does not mean
>: that I will automatically be heterophobic (though I will be homosexist to
>: a degree, and why not?). Sexuality is very complex, and what may be true
>: for you may not be true for everyone else.
>
>The point isn't who you're attracted to, the point is the labels
>themselves are evil. It's an excuse for people to write you off without
>knowing anything else about you. Labels encourage that.
>
I agree that labels are (for the most part) intensely evil, but I
think that if a person feels comfortable labelling (and thus defining)
him/herself, then s/he has a right. And you just have to go with it.
---- Flame Girl
Aimee Lortskell
: : fight me for the army boys at all. uh-uh.
: Alright Robert. Aimee doesn't want him. It's just you and me, so put
: up your dukes and fight like a man!
what kind of pudding are you guys using?
: Dan, who has no problems at all fucking guys with breasts as big as but
: firmer than Aimee's.
read that again. i didn't say breasts AS big as mine, i just said big.
if they were as big as mine, even you might think twice. men don't get
DD's from weight-lifting.
Aimee the Magdalene
&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&
& and when they say, 'take of his body' &
& i think i'll take from mine instead &
& - Tori Amos &
& once i could see...now i am blind &
& - Trent Reznor &
&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&
Kestrel the Fairly Decent Dragon
ai...@saucer.cc.umr.edu (Aimee Lortskell) wrote:
>read that again. i didn't say breasts AS big as mine, i just said big.
>if they were as big as mine, even you might think twice. men don't get
>DD's from weight-lifting.
That's right, they get 'em from the steroids they use for
weight-lifting ;>
Kestrel
The Fairly Decent Dragon
Stephanie Rendino
: Robert said this:
: : : Eh. Give me an Army boy. Especially one with big pecs in one of
: : : those tight grey t-shirts....I'll rip that shirt off and lick the sweat
: : : off his nipples! ;-)
Anybody here seen "Brain Candy" and Scott Thompson's happiest memory?
Pierre...that Cayden Guy.
Twas Stephanie Rendino who sed:
>Anybody here seen "Brain Candy" and Scott Thompson's happiest memory?
MUAHAHAHAHAHA! YES! That was hilarious. Or the fantasy...
You're my best man. See those two enemy soldiers over there? You go fuck'em
we stay here and jerk off!
-=Pierre=-
___________________________________________________________________________
______...@idirect.com__________________________________________________
I Y E A R N F O R M O R E T H A N J U S T Y O U R M I N D
-Holly McNarland
Aimee Lortskell
cOrNfLaKe GrRrL (sch...@vccsouth09.its.rpi.edu) wrote:
: wow...i'm quite impressed. when i first saw this thread pop
: up in discussion i thought *damn...there'll be flamers here,
: i shouldn't even bother looking*...i'm SO glad that i was
: wrong!
sometimes nice surprises are a lot like the spanish inquisition in that
respect, eh?
[snip]
: i've probably been bi all me life. when i look back, now,
: i realize that there were a few girls i had had crushes
: on...of course, i didn't realize they were crushes back
: then...where i grew up, that wasn't an OPTION.
yeah, i never really figured out the bi thing until later. i never
picked up the bigotry my parents taught me about gays, but i really did
think it was either/or. i didn't think of my girl crushes in the same
light at all, i figured if i liked boys then i was straight. so i was in
for a pleasant surprise... :)
: i've never really been all that impressed by people in uniforms.
: could be just me, though....
no. no, it's not just you.
Aimee the Magdalene
*--NINnie----BAAWA!----Toriphile------Crunchy PB Heretic--*
* losing your faith is a lot like losing your virginity; *
* you don't realize how irritating it was 'til it's gone *
* - AEL (me) *
*---------------------------------------------------------*
Robert the Faerie
On 17 Jun 1996, cOrNfLaKe GrRrL wrote:
> wow...i'm quite impressed. when i first saw this thread pop
> up in discussion i thought *damn...there'll be flamers here,
> i shouldn't even bother looking*...i'm SO glad that i was
> wrong!
> i see so few discussions amongst gays and bisexuals that
> aren't bombarded by rude, ignorant homophobes...with
> their teeth bared and snarling.
Really? Wow. Except for Andy and the thread xposted to the boulder and
CO newsgroups, there haven't been any homophobes posting here. In fact,
I still haven't received any hate mail for being gay. Pretty cool, huh?
(and which was one of the many reasons why I felt the need to debate him)
> any-who....
>
> i've probably been bi all me life. when i look back, now,
> i realize that there were a few girls i had had crushes
> on...of course, i didn't realize they were crushes back
> then...where i grew up, that wasn't an OPTION.
Hmm. What was the earliest age that you had these crushes?
> and, to get back on the topic....
[heh]
> i've never really been all that impressed by people in uniforms.
> could be just me, though....
Well, everyone has their own tastes. Say, this brings up an interesting
question; do you find the same qualities to be attractive in men and
women, or do women turn you on in different ways than men do?
Robert the Faerie (who's only liked men, so he can't answer that last
question for himself)
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Dildo Desire! It'll never do you wrong,
Dildo Desire! A woman's retreeat,
Dildo Desire! Substitute for meat,
Dildo Desire! Never drunk, never late,
Dildo Desire! Hey it works just great! -- Killer Pussy
Robert the Faerie
On 19 Jun 1996, Le Revenant wrote:
> Aimee Lortskell (ai...@rocket.cc.umr.edu) wrote:
>
> Robert said this:
Um, errr, I need to clarify. I didn't right this below. Adam did.
Y'see, for some reason I don't like the term 'pecs' (I think because I
don't like the letter p) and I wouldn't use nipple either (makes me think
about het males female breast fetish, which would just make me angry at
the world). So, uh, I didn't write it but somehow it got attributed to me.
> : : Eh. Give me an Army boy. Especially one with big pecs in one of
> : : those tight grey t-shirts....I'll rip that shirt off and lick the sweat
> : : off his nipples! ;-)
>
> : first, i don't fuck men whose breasts are big but firmer than mine.
> : second, take a shower for christ's buttered sake! you won't have to
> : fight me for the army boys at all. uh-uh.
>
> Alright Robert. Aimee doesn't want him. It's just you and me, so put
> up your dukes and fight like a man!
Err, you mean you need to fight with Adam. I'll just wait till you beat
each other up and then come in and have my way with all of you.
BWAHAHAHA!!!
> Dan, who has no problems at all fucking guys with breasts as big as but
> firmer than Aimee's.
Not me. I dunno, that's just not attractive. A toned or slightly
muscled chest is nice (REAL nice) but not body-builder sized. Yech!
Robert the Faerie (if I'd wanted large breasts I'd date women...)
+++++++++++++++++
"Give me peace...love...and a hard...COCK!!!" Tori Amos
Adam Christian Schwenk
In article <Pine.HPP.3.91.960621...@linden.fortnet.org>, [snippage]
>
>Really? Wow. Except for Andy and the thread xposted to the boulder and
>CO newsgroups, there haven't been any homophobes posting here. In fact,
>I still haven't received any hate mail for being gay. Pretty cool, huh?
>(and which was one of the many reasons why I felt the need to debate him)
I've never received hate email myself either, which is a
fortunate thing for the homophobe, or I'm liable to string him up by his
entrails! ;-)
>> i've probably been bi all me life. when i look back, now,
>> i realize that there were a few girls i had had crushes
>> on...of course, i didn't realize they were crushes back
>> then...where i grew up, that wasn't an OPTION.
>
>Hmm. What was the earliest age that you had these crushes?
You were talking to Cornflake grrrl but I wanted to comment, so
nyah.
Well, I was looking back in my middle school yearbook, and i had
this really attractive teacher named Greg Brackin. Anyway, I had a
really big crush on him...he was a P.E. teacher and science. heh. I
found out just recently that he is also gay. HAH! The little quirks of
life, eh? He had a nice body too!
>Well, everyone has their own tastes. Say, this brings up an interesting
>question; do you find the same qualities to be attractive in men and
>women, or do women turn you on in different ways than men do?
I'm attracted to each in different ways, but I know only a man
can probably get me hot and bothered.. *evyl gryn*
>Robert the Faerie (who's only liked men, so he can't answer that last
> question for himself)
>!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>Dildo Desire! It'll never do you wrong,
>Dildo Desire! A woman's retreeat,
>Dildo Desire! Substitute for meat,
>Dildo Desire! Never drunk, never late,
>Dildo Desire! Hey it works just great! -- Killer Pussy
Dildo desire, send me your fire. Heh. Remember Bananarama!
--
'To know I was carefully building this mask I was wearing for 2 years,
swearing I'd tear it off. I've sat in the dark explaining to myself that
I'm straining too hard for feelings I ought to find easily.' 10,000 Maniacs
<> adam <> asch...@flute.aix.calpoly.edu <> http://www.calpoly.edu/~aschwenk
Adam Christian Schwenk
In article <Pine.HPP.3.91.960621...@linden.fortnet.org>,
Robert the Faerie <dece...@fortnet.org> wrote:
>
>> Aimee Lortskell (ai...@rocket.cc.umr.edu) wrote:
>>
>> Robert said this:
>
>Um, errr, I need to clarify. I didn't right this below. Adam did.
>Y'see, for some reason I don't like the term 'pecs' (I think because I
>don't like the letter p) and I wouldn't use nipple either (makes me think
So Robert, you don't like the word penis? Too bad...how about we
just start using the term nips while we're at it. As in, 'Woah, his nips
are rock hard...heh...so is his penis...' ;-)
>about het males female breast fetish, which would just make me angry at
>the world). So, uh, I didn't write it but somehow it got attributed to me.
>
>> : : Eh. Give me an Army boy. Especially one with big pecs in one of
>> : : those tight grey t-shirts....I'll rip that shirt off and lick the sweat
>> : : off his nipples! ;-)
>>
>> : first, i don't fuck men whose breasts are big but firmer than mine.
>> : second, take a shower for christ's buttered sake! you won't have to
>> : fight me for the army boys at all. uh-uh.
>>
>> Alright Robert. Aimee doesn't want him. It's just you and me, so put
>> up your dukes and fight like a man!
>Err, you mean you need to fight with Adam. I'll just wait till you beat
>each other up and then come in and have my way with all of you.
>BWAHAHAHA!!!
Okay, Aimee...ya wanna fight, come on [cowardly lion immitation]
'Put 'em up...put 'em up...'
>Not me. I dunno, that's just not attractive. A toned or slightly
>muscled chest is nice (REAL nice) but not body-builder sized. Yech!
Nah...not body builder size...but you know what they say,
anything more than a mouthful is a waste. hehehehe...
>Robert the Faerie (if I'd wanted large breasts I'd date women...)
>+++++++++++++++++
>"Give me peace...love...and a hard...COCK!!!" Tori Amos
Well...I kind of like breasts...of course on women anything.
Call me sexist, but i don't think breasts work too well on men...gets in
the way of their Adam's apple. The Adam's apple...a breast for MEN!
;-) Okay, so I'm in some sort of altered state of consciousness right
now...(hey...it's natural...)
Cocks...it's what's fer dinner...
Aimee Lortskell
all i did was hit the button. musta been somebody else's fault.
: Y'see, for some reason I don't like the term 'pecs' (I think because I
: don't like the letter p) and I wouldn't use nipple either (makes me think
: about het males female breast fetish, which would just make me angry at
: the world).
why would someone else's love of the female bosom make you mad?
[snip]
: (if I'd wanted large breasts I'd date women...)
me too. :)
Aimee Lortskell
: Okay, Aimee...ya wanna fight, come on [cowardly lion immitation]
no. i already bowed out of this - you guys can have the icky army guy.
[snip]
: anything more than a mouthful is a waste. hehehehe...
this is a lie. trust me, i know.
[snip]
: Cocks...it's what's fer dinner...
ooooooooh, i smell an r.m.t-a bumper sticker! i'm sure tori would want
'em on her buses..... ;)
Aimee the Magdalene
-----------------------------------------------
\ Butts can be used for so many purposes--
\ you can decorate your home with them,
\ you can use it as a status symbol,
\ you can use it as a handle,
\ you can smack it if it gets out of hand...
\ - mycroft evans
-----------------------------------------------
Robert the Faerie
On 21 Jun 1996, Adam Christian Schwenk wrote:
> Robert the Faerie <dece...@fortnet.org> wrote:
> >Um, errr, I need to clarify. I didn't right this below. Adam did.
> >Y'see, for some reason I don't like the term 'pecs' (I think because I
> >don't like the letter p) and I wouldn't use nipple either (makes me think
> So Robert, you don't like the word penis? Too bad...how about we
Actually, no, I'm not very fond of the word 'penis' at all. However, it
is a scientific word, so that makes it okay (but then, pecs is derived
from a scientific word...). Hmm. How 'bout phallus? Sure it starts
with a p, but it's prounounced with an 'f' sound. And besides, many
people don't get the reference. (bwahahahaha!!! which is also why
'masticate' is such a fun word!)
> just start using the term nips while we're at it. As in, 'Woah, his nips
> are rock hard...heh...so is his penis...' ;-)
:P (with attendant blah! sounds) Don't like nips at all! How 'bout,
chest! Yeah! Tht way not only are the pectorals being refered to, but
also the whole wonderful upper body.
(and I must also note that Voltran introduced me to the term 'torso', and
quite frankly once I knew what it was refering to, the term turned me on,
but unfortunately, all those dumb exercise ads mentioning the toning of
the torse made me lose interest in the term)
[reve wrote this]
> >> Alright Robert. Aimee doesn't want him. It's just you and me, so put
> >> up your dukes and fight like a man!
>
> >Err, you mean you need to fight with Adam. I'll just wait till you beat
> >each other up and then come in and have my way with all of you.
> >BWAHAHAHA!!!
>
> Okay, Aimee...ya wanna fight, come on [cowardly lion immitation]
> 'Put 'em up...put 'em up...'
Ah, she's just a woman! It'll be an easy fight! [sees that Elusis and
Aimee have intercepted this] [runs!!!!]
> >Not me. I dunno, that's just not attractive. A toned or slightly
> >muscled chest is nice (REAL nice) but not body-builder sized. Yech!
> Nah...not body builder size...but you know what they say,
> anything more than a mouthful is a waste. hehehehe...
Heh. Heheheh. Heh. Y'know, I always thought it was strange that gay
men would have any preference for large sizes. I mean, I'd rather be
able to fit it in my mouth comofrotably rather than gagging on it.
> >Robert the Faerie (if I'd wanted large breasts I'd date women...)
> >+++++++++++++++++
> >"Give me peace...love...and a hard...COCK!!!" Tori Amos
> Well...I kind of like breasts...of course on women anything.
> Call me sexist, but i don't think breasts work too well on men...gets in
> the way of their Adam's apple. The Adam's apple...a breast for MEN!
> ;-) Okay, so I'm in some sort of altered state of consciousness right
> now...(hey...it's natural...)
Same here. Breasts on men...nah. Never had anything for the Adam's
Apple though. [eyes Adam strangely] Say, I wonder why you'd have
something specifically for the Adam's apple...
> Cocks...it's what's fer dinner...
ROTFL!!! Why, that's sig material!
Robert the Faerie
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Ugly is bad, and bad is wrong, and wrong is sinful,
And sin leads to eternal damnation, an' hot burnin' fire,
Hot burnin' fire, hot burnin' fire, hot burnin' fire,
Screams of agony, screams of agony, screams of agony,
Arrrrrrrghhhhhhh! --- "I'm So Cute" by Frank Zappa
Robert the Faerie
On 21 Jun 1996, Adam Christian Schwenk wrote:
> Robert the Faerie <dece...@fortnet.org> wrote:
> I've never received hate email myself either, which is a
> fortunate thing for the homophobe, or I'm liable to string him up by his
> entrails! ;-)
<eg> Same here...especially if they are dumb enough to think that I
can't trace them if they forge their e-mail address.
> >Hmm. What was the earliest age that you had these crushes?
> You were talking to Cornflake grrrl but I wanted to comment, so
> nyah.
:P That's fine actually...ever since I found that people have radically
different experiences with their sexuality, I've been very intereseted in
the subject.
> Well, I was looking back in my middle school yearbook, and i had
> this really attractive teacher named Greg Brackin. Anyway, I had a
> really big crush on him...he was a P.E. teacher and science. heh. I
> found out just recently that he is also gay. HAH! The little quirks of
> life, eh? He had a nice body too!
[bites knuckles] Gawd! Ever since seventh grade I've had at least one
teacher a semester who turned me on. In eighth in fact, there were three
out of seven who did. And hearing that someone I had a crush on was gay...
haven't had that happen yet. *sigh* Wouldn't be just great to be able
to know somehow if someone is gay or straight? I often had fantasies
about having radar or something that could do that.
Though now I realize that if the person is not comfortable with their
sexuality, it would NOT be a good idea to try a relationship with them.
> >Well, everyone has their own tastes. Say, this brings up an interesting
> >question; do you find the same qualities to be attractive in men and
> >women, or do women turn you on in different ways than men do?
> I'm attracted to each in different ways, but I know only a man
> can probably get me hot and bothered.. *evyl gryn*
Yeah, see, this question is only meant for bis. :P
> >!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> >Dildo Desire! It'll never do you wrong,
> >Dildo Desire! A woman's retreeat,
> >Dildo Desire! Substitute for meat,
> >Dildo Desire! Never drunk, never late,
> >Dildo Desire! Hey it works just great! -- Killer Pussy
> Dildo desire, send me your fire. Heh. Remember Bananarama!
Bananarama had a song like that? I may have to reappraise them then.
Robert the Faerie (who is listening to an A-ha tape he found used and can't
believe he once thought they were a really cool band)
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
"You can't call home, you never can call,
You can't call home, you never can call,
Don't even write!" -- "You Can't Call Home" by the Breeders
Robert the Faerie
On 19 Jun 1996, Aimee Lortskell wrote:
> Le Revenant (dho...@mail1.sas.upenn.edu) wrote:
> : Robert the Faerie (dece...@chardos.connix.com) wrote:
> : : Personally, the one aspect of men in uniform that turns me on is the fact
> : : that they are well groomed. Hair cut short, immaculately combed. And
> : : the uniform itself. Men in suits sometimes turn me on in the same way.
> : Yeah, but sometimes it's exciting to look at a complete greasy
> : sleazeball.
>
> ew! you both have horrible taste in men! suits? grease? yuck-O!!!
Hey! What's wrong with suits! :P
Robert the Faerie (who agrees that grease ain't attractive)
(and who realized last fall that he liked guys in suits because when
he was still mislead into thinking that he could pretend to be straight
and marry a female friend who he thinks is nifty, he always thought
the guy in the suit with her roommate in one of the pictures was really
cute, with his suit enhancing his attractiveness)
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Your eyes like crashing jets, bits of stained glass,
But not religious, You should pay rent in my mind,
Say like the French say, bon soir regret a demain
Do you like me? Do you like me? --- "Do You Like Me?" by Fugazi
Scott Kenney
The Mighty Mighty Robert the Faerie wrote:
: > ew! you both have horrible taste in men! suits? grease? yuck-O!!!
:
: Hey! What's wrong with suits! :P
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Robert the Faerie
On 22 Jun 1996, Scott Kenney wrote:
> The Mighty Mighty Robert the Faerie wrote:
> : On 19 Jun 1996, Aimee Lortskell wrote:
> : > ew! you both have horrible taste in men! suits? grease? yuck-O!!!
> :
> : Hey! What's wrong with suits! :P
>
> Lawyers wear them :P
[opens and closes mouth] Good point.
Guys in suits are unattractive. Yech.
Robert the Faerie
Robert the Faerie
On 22 Jun 1996, Aimee Lortskell wrote:
> Robert the Faerie (dece...@fortnet.org) wrote:
> : Um, errr, I need to clarify. I didn't right this below. Adam did.
>
> all i did was hit the button. musta been somebody else's fault.
Suurrreee!!! :P
(actualmente, I was not pointing my plastic finger at you, just pointing
out that somewhere along the line it got misquoted)
> : don't like the letter p) and I wouldn't use nipple either (makes me think
> : about het males female breast fetish, which would just make me angry at
> : the world).
> why would someone else's love of the female bosom make you mad?
Oh, it's from the line of reasoning that says "breasts are what men like,
men who don't like breasts are nasty faggots." The constant pounding
into my temples that being heterosexual is the proper and good way to be
(as if I have a choice). That's all. I have nothing against hets
actually. I just don't like the homophobic condescencion that a few of
them stoop too.
[reads over last paragraph] I think I need to go to sleep...
> [snip]
> : (if I'd wanted large breasts I'd date women...)
> me too. :)
Heh.
Aimee Lortskell
[snips]
: > ew! you both have horrible taste in men! suits? grease? yuck-O!!!
: Hey! What's wrong with suits! :P
same as with uniforms. they represent conformity to me. also, i tend to
think of neckties as symbolizing nooses. so suits make me think of lemmings.
Aimee Lortskell
[snip]
: > why would someone else's love of the female bosom make you mad?
: men who don't like breasts are nasty faggots." The constant pounding
: into my temples that being heterosexual is the proper and good way to be
: (as if I have a choice). That's all. I have nothing against hets
: actually. I just don't like the homophobic condescencion that a few of
: them stoop too.
this is something i've never heard of. but then i guess i don't hang
around with people who would say that sort of thing. breast men are just
fine by me, but i tend to avoid dating them. i wish i could find a
balance, someone who will pay proper attention to my breasts but can look
me in the eye at least once a week....i've found a few of those, but
they're pretty rare.
Aimee the Magdalene
i think the good book is missing some pages.
- Tori Amos
#--------------------------------------------#
agnostic apathetic atheist
don't know, don't care, don't buy it!
Le Revenant
: > Le Revenant (dho...@mail1.sas.upenn.edu) wrote:
: > : Robert the Faerie (dece...@chardos.connix.com) wrote:
: > : : Personally, the one aspect of men in uniform that turns me on is the fact
: > : : that they are well groomed. Hair cut short, immaculately combed. And
: > : : the uniform itself. Men in suits sometimes turn me on in the same way.
: > : Yeah, but sometimes it's exciting to look at a complete greasy
: > : sleazeball.
: >
: > ew! you both have horrible taste in men! suits? grease? yuck-O!!!
Well, Aimee, I guess we'll never have competition from *you*!
: Hey! What's wrong with suits! :P
Nothing: part of the fun of being a man is being able to wear them. And
appreciate men who are wearing them!
: Robert the Faerie (who agrees that grease ain't attractive)
Okay, you don't think grease like Andy Garcia is hot? Sheesh.
What about like Italian dudes?
Dan.
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Le Revenant
: >
: > Lawyers wear them :P
: [opens and closes mouth] Good point.
: Guys in suits are unattractive. Yech.
Bastards, the lot of you.
Karen, Goddess of the Groove
On Sat, 22 Jun 1996, Robert the Faerie wrote:
> Hey! What's wrong with suits! :P
I like suits, but there are some requirements:
A) They can't be shiny.
B) They can't be too tight, or too loose, or too plaid.
That's about it. I like suits. Not all the time, but once in a while. In
fact, the other day I went job-huting, and wore a blue oxford shirt, with
my dad's red tie and a navy blue vest and jeans. I looked *good* if I do
say so myself. ;)
-Karen, who enjoys wearing menswear once in a while
***** kar...@iac.net ********************************************************
"The wall around the graveyard says that SATIN LIVES IN HELL
Though they may love the devil, his disciples sure can't spell
So what do I do then ? I guess I'll put in A in there
And show 'em how to sin" -Ass Ponys, "Shoe Money"
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Karen, Goddess of the Groove
On Sat, 22 Jun 1996, Robert the Faerie wrote:
> Heh. Heheheh. Heh. Y'know, I always thought it was strange that gay
> men would have any preference for large sizes. I mean, I'd rather be
> able to fit it in my mouth comofrotably rather than gagging on it.
I totally agree. I had a really strange dream about Coolio a few months
ago. Coolio and I were hanging out and ya know, we started getting
friendly. So then we ended up in bed, and when I went to give him head, I
noticed that his dick was abnormally large. I MEAN HUGE. I got really
scared and ran out of the room, screaming.
Interesting dream, eh? Anyone care to interpret *this* one?! ;)
-Karen, who has no idea why she dreamed about Coolio...but I guess he's
kinda cute.
Le Revenant
Karen, Goddess of the Groove (kar...@iac.net) wrote:
: -Karen, who enjoys wearing menswear once in a while
Dan, who is a bit miffed at a society that let's Karen wear menswear w/o
deeming her a "drag artist" but questions a man wearing loafers.
Le Revenant
Karen, Goddess of the Groove (kar...@iac.net) wrote:
: -Karen, who has no idea why she dreamed about Coolio...but I guess he's
: kinda cute.
No, Karen, he's *not*. I guess it *has* been a long time, hasn't it? ;)
Dan.