-F- tori FAQ
bramble, a pillywiggin
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** Tori Amos/rec.music.tori-amos **
** FAQ v2.0 **
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** May 15, 1998 **
** Please send corrections or suggestions **
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(all email addresses except for autoresponders are fragmented to avoid
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15 May 1998
Maintained by: Elusis and bramble
<elusis @ rmta . org, bramble @ innocent . com>
With help from nadyne, JB Bridge, Angela, and many other RMTA'ers.
5 May 1994
Maintained by: Greg Burrell
<gregb @ netcom . com>
9 December 1994
Compiled by: the Mermaid
<jfredian @ pepperdine . edu>
Original FAQ
Compiled by: Shidoshi
<shidoshi @ gonix . com>
Additional Information
compiled by: Adam Schwenk
<aschwenk @ flute . aix . calpoly . edu>
FAQ Version Information****************************************************
Major revisions of v2.0 -
- Created sections for "Boys for Pele" and "From the Choirgirl Hotel"
- Made Tori timeline a separate document for space
- Integrated "Miscellaneous Tori Facts" into other sections
- Added pointers to rmta Newbie Pack, resource FAQ, YKTR FAQ, price
FAQ,
and other sources of specific information including autoresponders
- Removed "Tori Goods" section for length
- Removed outdated information and references which are no longer
current to rec.music.tori-amos
- Removed the "Song List" section for length
INDEX
I. Abbreviations
II. Biographical Tori Information
III. Rec.music.tori-amos and Other General Questions
IV. Tori's Who's Who
V. Y Kan't Tori Read Questions
VI. Little Earthquakes Questions
VII. Under the Pink Questions
VIII. Boys for Pele Questions
IX. From the Choirgirl Hotel Questions
X. Tori Song List
XI. Other Tori Appearances
I. ABBREVIATIONS
To save space and typing time, the following abbreviations for albums
and songs are used throughout this FAQ, and also crop up frequently on
rec.music.tori-amos:
YKTR Y Kan't Tori Read
LE Little Earthquakes
UtP Under the Pink
BfP Boys for Pele
FtCH From the Choirgirl Hotel
RDT Really Deep Thoughts (fanzine)
SATY Silent All These Years
MaaG Me and a Gun
PGY Pretty Good Year
CfG Cornflake Girl
CALS Caught a Light Sneeze
PW Professional Widow
ItSoHV In the Springtime of His Voodoo (also called just
Voodoo)
RAINN Rape, Abuse, and Incest National Network
FAQ Frequently Asked Questions
rmta rec.music.tori-amos
II. BIOGRAPHICAL TORI INFORMATION
TORI TIMELINE (graciously compiled by JB Bridge (jbbridge @ egyptian .
net))
For space, this is now a separate document available from
time...@rmta.org.
TORI'S FATHER:
- Reverend Edison Amos
- Second Generation Methodist Minister of Scottish decent
TORI'S MOTHER:
- Mary Ellen Amos
- granddaughter of a full-blooded Cherokee man
TORI'S BROTHER:
- Michael Amos
- did some guitar work on 'Baltimore'
TORI'S SISTER:
- Marie Amos
- a "tone-deaf" internist
TORI'S GRANDMOTHER:
- Described as "Victorian"
- used to write young Tori letters with a heroine (named Annie)
who was saving her virginity for her husband.
- Also an ordained minister.
TORI'S HUSBAND:
- Mark Hawley, of England
- Tori's sound engineer
(Q) What is Tori Amos' real name?
(A) Myra Ellen Amos.
(Q) Where did she get the name 'Tori' from?
(A) There have been several stories and much speculation about the name
change.
They go as follows:
- Named herself after the Torrey pine -- a small, crooked, and rare
tree which grows in Southern California
- Derived her name from the word 'noTORIous,' for always wearing red
leather pants when teaching Sunday School for her father's church
- One of her friend's boyfriends, after hearing her play in a club,
said to her "You don't look like an 'Ellen,' you look more like a
Tori."
The most likely story seems to be that the comment from her friend's
boyfriend did actually happen. Tori then supposedly found out about the
Torrey Pine, and decided to keep the name.
(Q) Where is Tori from?
(A) Tori was born in Newton, North Carolina (near Hickory). She has
recently lived in England, New Mexico, and Florida that we know of.
We're
guessing that she now resides in England with her husband, Mark Hawley.
(Q) Is Tori's hair really that red?
(A) Nope. Pictures of a younger Tori reveal she's actually a brunette.
Tori used to use Clairol’s Torrids "Torch Crimson" on her hair, but has
supposedly changed dyes recently. In a chat on Yahoo, Tori seemed taken
aback when a fan asked her what she used these days - she tartly
suggested
that they might want to tell her what cellulite cream to use next.
(Q) I've heard Tori is a lesbian/bisexual. Is this true?
(A) Nope. Tori is very much heterosexual. However, she has stated that
meeting k.d. lang made her stop and think about it for a minute.
(Q) Did Tori really get married? Say it isn't so!
(A) Sorry folks, Tori did in fact get married to her sound engineer
Mark Hawley on February 22, 1998. They were married at a small church
somewhere in England. Pictures are available at Mikewhy's Dent in the
Tori Amos Net Universe at http://tori.by.net
(Q) Does Tori have any kids? Is she pregnant/planning to get pregnant?
(A) Tori has no kids. In an interview prior to the release of her new
album, she revealed that she had a miscarriage toward the end of the
Dew
Drop Inn tour in 1996.
(Q) Where did Tori go to high school?
(A) Ellen Amos graduated in 1981 from:
Richard Montgomery High School
250 Richard Montgomery Drive
Rockville, Maryland 20852
(301)-279-8400
A foreign language teacher there once reminisced in class that she used
to annoy everyone by singing all the time.
Her senior year, she was voted:
Homecoming Queen
Most Likely to Succeed (female)
Most Talented (female)
Best All-Around (female)
III. REC.MUSIC.TORI-AMOS AND OTHER GENERAL QUESTIONS
(Q) What is rec.music.tori-amos?
(A) rec.music.tori-amos is a Usenet newsgroup ostensibly devoted to
discussing Tori Amos and her music. In actuality, conversations tend
more toward sex, personal issues, books, and all kinds of music *other*
than Tori. Tori has referred to herself as the appetizer at a party.
(Q) Does Tori know about rmta? Does she post to the newsgroup?
(A) Tori knows we exist, and even has her own name for her net.fans:
"ears with feet." She does not read or post to rmta because she feels
it would be an invasion of our privacy. She once posted to an AOL
discussion group under the alias "radiccio1" and got no replies.
>From : Drum Media (Sydney, Australia)
11/29/94 by Stuart Coupe.
"You should log on," says Amos. "I don't do it but I hear about it all
the time. It's a very interesting one I think, compared to others,
because people share different books they're reading and different
theories about things. It's a big discussion one. A lot of really
intelligent geeks are on mine. They have a lot to say and they're
really clever.
"They just use me--I think I'm more of an invitation. That's what I'm
good for. I'm kind of like those shrimp appetisers at a party. That's
me. People are really coming for the liquor."
(Q) What is Tori's email address?
(A) If she has one, she's not giving it out. If anyone close to her
knew of one, they wouldn't give it out either, because it would be
an invasion of *her* privacy. Tori has said she knows nothing about
computers (although she refers to Apple computers in the liner notes
for
UtP), and after her experience on AOL, isn't really that interested in
going online.
(Q) What is ToriCon?
(A) ToriCon is a gathering of people from rmta for a weekend of fun,
carousing, and oh yeah, Tori stuff. The first ToriCon was held in
December, 1996 in Cincinnati, OH, organized by Aimee (aimee @ rmta .
org)
and Karen Whyte (copygurl @ aol . com). ToriCon '97 was held
in Denver, CO in early August, and was organized by Aimee and Elusis
(elusis @ rmta . org). The upcoming ToriCon '98 will be held in August
in Atlanta, organized by Aimee and nadyne (nadyne @ rmta . org).
(Q) How can I get more information about ToriCon/register for ToriCon?
(A) Info will be posted in RMTA under the -G- header, and at
the RMTA website at http://www.rmta.org. You can also email
torico...@rmta.org.
(Q) How can I get ToriCon to be held in a city near me?
(A) Volunteer. Decisions about location for the next ToriCon are usually
made in June and July, so the organizer for the following year can
attend the current Con in August and watch to see how that organizer
screws up. Locations are *only* considered if there is a committed,
trustworthy person willing to sponsor the location and (potentially)
do all the legwork themselves if other help isn't forthcoming. This
includes lining up a hotel contract, collecting information on modes of
travel, deciding on and organizing activities, and planning a Saturday
night banquet. It's a lot of work.
(Q) How can I get the rec.music.tori-amos "Newbie Pack"?
(A) Send e-mail to new...@rmta.org. Most of this info is also located at
http://www.rmta.org on the RMTA web site. Much of the information in
the
Pack is posted bi-weekly to RMTA as the "Survival Guide."
(Q) What does the word 'Toriphile' mean?
(A) The suffix -phile roughly means love, so you attach it to the end
of the word to mean a person who loves that certain thing. So, in this
case, a Toriphile basically means an avid Tori fan.
(Q) What are "ears with feet?"
(A) Someone asked Tori to record a message to put on the Internet for
her fans. She commented that she didn’t see us as fans, but "ears with
feet."
(Q) What is the Really Deep Thoughts fanzine?
(A) RDT is produced by Melissa and Richard Caldwell, and it has the
support of Tori and her management. Subscriptions are $15 per annum
($20 overseas) for four (4) issues. RDT has recently had some problems
with getting swamped and being unable to get issues out, but they've
apologized for the delay and should be publishing on a regular basis
again. For details, contact Melissa or Richard at:
Really Deep Thoughts,
P.O. Box 328606,
Columbus OH 43232 USA
or check their website at http://www.toriamos.org for more information.
(Q) What is "OKTorifest"?
(A) OKTorifest is an annual party held in Oklahoma by Richard and
Melissa Caldwell, editors of "Really Deep Thoughts".
(Q) Are there other fanzines, or a fan club I can join?
(A) Take to the Sky fanzine is published in England. For more
information, contact Steve Jenkins at:
Take to the Sky fanzine
25 Rydall Drive
Bexleyheath, Kent DA7 5EF
England
*NOTE: There used to be a fan club endorsed by Tori's management called
Upside Down. However, due to problems with fan's money being taken
and
membership items never being sent, Upside Down is no longer
sanctioned
or recommended.
(Q) Is there a mailing list I can join?
(A) The Internet mailing list is titled Really Deep Thoughts (Right Now).
If you would like to subscribe, or want more information, send
mail to: seaclaid @ torithoughts . com
*DO NOT SEND SUBSCRIPTION REQUESTS TO THE LIST*
There are also other lists; information is available in nadyne's Tori
Resources FAQ (reso...@rmta.org).
(Q) What about World Wide Web sites?
(A) There are a bunch of WWW homepages and sites which contain Tori
info. Like, hundreds. A list of some of the best is available
in the Tori Resources FAQ maintained by nadyne, available from
reso...@rmta.org.
(Q) Where can I find the lyrics to _____________?
(A) If it's a song from one of the albums, try looking in the liner
notes first. :-) However, you can also go try the lyrics page at Fairy
Tales: http://stuff.to/tori/lyrics/index.html.
(Q) How can I contact Tori Amos?
(A) You can write to Tori care of here management, Spivak Entertainment.
The address is:
Tori Amos
c/o Spivak Entertainment
11845 West Olympic Blvd
Suite 1125
Los Angeles, CA 90064
Tori gets far too much mail to read and answer it all. She used to read
everything she was sent, but as her popularity has increased with each
album, so has her fan mail. Upside Down used to be in charge of opening
her mail and sending on really special letters directly to her, but
since they're no longer sanctioned, we don't know how mail gets to her.
The best you can do is write care of Spivak.
(Q) But I really have to tell her about (how she changed my life/my dog
Fluffy/this great chili recipe/_______________)!
(A) Your best bet is to wait until she tours again (lucky you, she’s
touring in 1998!) In the past, Tori has taken time to visit with fans
before her sound check at each venue. Depending on the size of the mob
awaiting her, her attentions have ranged from giving signatures and
taking pictures with each fan, to simply talking to a few people and
accepting all the gifts people hand her. If you have something you
just
have to tell her, write her a note and give it to her or Joel and
Steve,
her bodyguards, at sound check. *Please, please, please* don't go to
sound check and try to tell her the story of your entire life. There
are other people there who would like to get a hug from Tori also, and
they can't do that if one person monopolizes her time. Plus you'll
piss
off Joel and Steve.
(Q) I heard she wrote some songs for her boyfriend Eric. What happened to
them?
(A) For a long time after their breakup, Tori chose not to perform the
songs she wrote for Eric. However, on the Dew Drop Inn tour (1996),
she
performed "Song for Eric" several times. "Song for Eric" is available
as a bonus track on some of the YKTR bootlegs.
(Q) Which album is the best?
(A) Most Toriphiles have decided that the albums are different enough to
not try to compare them. Each is somewhat different in style although
they are all still piano-based. Your best bet is to go to a store that
lets you listen before you buy, or to download song clips from one of
the Tori web sites. We predict you’ll want to get all of the albums
eventually, though, so why worry?
(Q) So when's the next album coming out?
(A) May 5, 1998. See the section on "From the Choirgirl Hotel," below.
(Q) Didn't she just do some songs for a movie?
(A) A new Tori song, "Siren," is available on the "Great Expectations"
soundtrack.
(Q) Isn't Tori doing the soundtrack to the "Sandman" audio series?
(A) Unfortunately, that project was shelved, probably permanently.
(Q) Why wasn't Tori in Lilith Fair/Will Tori be in Lilith Fair this year?
(A) Tori wrapped up a year-long tour in November, 1996. Other than the
RAINN concert in January 1997, Tori took a well-deserved rest from live
performance. Plus she had to have some time to record this new album!
There are rumors that Tori has been asked to do Lilith Fair this year,
but there is no hard evidence one way or the other. Since she's doing
a short US tour in April/May, spending some time playing Europe after
that, and then probably returning to the US for a full-on tour after
*that*, when would she have the time?
(Q) What Tori Amos bootlegs are out there and how can I get one?
(A) A bootleg is a live concert recording of a music artist.
These are almost *always* illegal, but that doesn't mean
they're impossible to find. Bootlegs are recorded via audience
members, soundboard hook up, or FM broadcast, among other
methods. For a comprehensive list of Tori bootlegs, go to Jason
Bilsky's (fuzzbox @ world . std . com) bootleg discography at
http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/alley/4370/tabdnew.html As far as
trading or buying them, ask around on rec.music.tori-amos - there are
usually people willing to trade, or suggest stores.
*NOTE: This FAQ is not here to endorse or condemn the existence of
bootlegs. This FAQ is also not here to recommend for and against
particular stores. *However*, two stores which are frequently mentioned
are Intergalactic Garage (IGG) and Rainy Day Records. For a history of
people's experiences with these stores, ask on rmta or go to DejaNews
(http://www.dejanews.com) and do a search on IGG and Rainy Day.
Bootlegs can also be traded on tapes or DATs, rather than
commercially-produced CDs. Ask on rmta and see if anyone is willing to
trade with you.
(Q) What is RAINN?
(A) RAINN is the Rape, Abuse, and Incest National Network, of which
Tori is the founder. It is a toll-free number which serves as a
clearinghouse for connecting people with local resources to help them
recover from sexual abuse and trauma. The phone number is
800-656-HOPE.
(Q) How is RAINN funded?
(A) A lot of different ways. Tori did a concert to benefit RAINN in
January of 1997, and proceeds from the video of that concert also
go to RAINN. All ToriCons thus far have donated a portion of their
registration fees to RAINN, and ToriCon 97 featured an auction which
raised about $2000 for RAINN. WNNX in Atlanta produced a disc of live
songs where the proceeds went to RAINN, and that raised around $85,000.
Individual donations are also welcomed - call their 800# to find out
how
you can donate.
(Q) Is there an "Ode to the Banana King - Part 2"?
(A) (From an interview posted to RDT, by Anthony Horan):
TA: "Pretty Good Year" is really part two of "Ode to the Banana
King." "Ode to the Banana King" is part one - as you see, Lucy
reoccurs. That's part two, "Pretty Good Year." So I'll probably
write part three.
The first part of "Ode to the Banana King" is most easily obtained as a
bonus track on various YKTR bootlegs.
(Q) How many videos does Tori have, and what songs are they for?
(A) For home video, there are two videos available: LE and "Live from NY"
(available in Europe and Canada, no US release yet! )
For individual music videos:
Crucify
SATY
China
Winter
CfG {two versions, US and UK}
God
PGY
Past the Mission
CaLS
Talula
Hey Jupiter
PW {a mish-mash of other videos, not really a video in its own right}
Spark
(Q) Why does Tori sing about food so much?
(A) Tori admits that she is a total food-lover. From the March 1996 Spin,
article/interview by Francesca Lia Block:
"Tori is a foody," her assistant Kerri manuell, has told me. "And it's
true."
"I know the finest chefs. I do! i've had a few propose marriage and
everything! " -Tori
From Tori's online chat on Yahoo during April, 1998:
"You know it's me, because someone's cooking in the kitchen and it
smells wonderful."
Her answer when asked what things she'd bring if she was stranded on
a desert island:
"My lipgloss. My husband. A picnic basket with olive oil."
There is a list of all the foods Tori has mentioned in songs at
http://members.aol.com/WeirdyBoi/foodintorisongs.html - check itout, it's
really cute!
(Q) Crunchy or creamy peanut butter?
(A) Creamy. However, it was evidently creamy peanut butter stuck in
her throat that caused her problems during an Under the Pink concert in
Madison, Wisconsin, show on 10/04/94, so her feelings on the subject
may
have changed.
(Q) What is her favorite drink?
(A) We don't know, but during the DDI tour, she made frequent comments
about being really drunk on margaritas when she wrote "Frog on My Toe,"
a b-side from BfP.
(Q) Where can I get information not found in this FAQ?
(A) You can try:
Tori Discography:
http://www.btinternet.com/~lianne.macdonald/ToriAmosDiscography.htm
Tori Resources FAQ:
posted regularly to RMTA
email reso...@rmta.org
Tori Price FAQ:
email pric...@rmta.org
ToriCon Info:
torico...@rmta.org
Available Services:
sa-...@rmta.org
IV. TORI'S WHO'S WHO
(Q) Who is this Kate Bush person people keep comparing Tori to?
(A) Kate Bush is an unconventional English singer/songwriter, who,
like Tori, is something of a piano prodigy. When LE was released, a
lot of reviewers compared Tori to Kate, as both are female, both make
different-sounding music, etc. With the release of UtP, people still
feel the need to compare Tori to Kate.
Tori has also been compared to Joni Mitchell a lot. Tori did cover
Joni's song "A Case of You."
(Q) Who is Eric Rosse?
(A) Eric Rosse was Tori's boyfriend for eight years, and helped produce
both LE and UtP. Supposedly, they "separated as friends."
(Q) So who is Tori dating now?
(A) There have been rumors as to who Tori has dated, including Michael
Stipe of REM (who's shown up at some of her concerts), and Trent Reznor
of Nine Inch Nails (who is, in fact, a good friend of Tori's, although
they've supposedly grown apart of late). However, we have it on good
authority that now that she's married to her sound engineer Mark
Hawley,
she's not dating anyone. :)
(Q) Who is Neil?
(A) Neil is Neil Gaiman, the author of the very popular DC/Vertigo comic
"Sandman" (unfortunately now defunct, but still available as trade
paperbacks). Rantz, a friend of Tori's from LA, was visiting her one
time, and introduced her to Sandman by giving her issue #17,
"Calliope."
When writing "Tear in Your Hand," she included a reference to Neil and
the Dream King (aka Morpheus, the "Sandman" of the title). She was
worried Neil might not like the idea, so Rantz passed along a demo of
LE
to Neil while at a comic convention. Both Neil and Tori live in
England,
so when he got back he contacted her, and the two have become good
friends.
Tori has also included references to Neil in "Space Dog" ("where's Neil
when you need him?") and "Horses" ("will you find me if Neil makes me a
tree?"). She also mentioned Neil in the credits for LE and UtP.
Neil has done his own little Tori references as well. In addition to
writing the text for the BfP tour book (which was designed by Rantz),
there are several instances of Tori music or posters appearing in
issues
of Sandman. In his new comic series "Stardust," Neil plans to include
a
"Tori tree" (thus the "Horses" reference).
People are always asking whether the character of Delirium from Sandman
is based on Tori. The answer is a firm "no," since Del existed before
Neil knew Tori. *However,* if one pointed out that Del often spouts
things that sound like Tori-isms, and if Del started to look an awful
lot like Tori in the "Brief Lives" series, one wouldn't be thought way
off base. Tori has said she feels a lot closer to Death than Delirium,
though.
(Q) Who is Cindy Palmano?
(A) Cindy was the main Art Director and Photographer for LE, UtP, and
BfP, and various singles. She also directed the videos "Silent all
these Years," "Winter," "China," and "Pretty Good Year." The Bee Sides
songbook lists Cindy Palmano as the photographer for the front and back
covers.
(Q) Who is Trent?
(A) Trent is Trent Reznor of Nine Inch Nails. Tori and Trent are
friends, and much speculation has ensued about the nature of their
relationship and whether there are hidden references to one another in
their music. Trent stated in a 1996 Spin interview that Courtney Love
had somehow interfered in the Tori/Trent friendship. A number of
people
insisted that CALS was about Trent, but there doesn't seem to be any
evidence for this assumption. Trent *did* supply supporting vocals for
"Past the Mission" on UtP.
Angela Reid (abreid @ email . unc . edu) has graciously compiled an
enormous amount of interview information about Tori and Trent, since
their relationship gets asked about frequently. You can obtain this
information by emailing her.
(Q) Who is Greg? [ "Greg he writes letters and burns his CDs...", PGY ]
(A) This is what Tori says: "Like "Pretty Good Year," for example, I
got a letter from a guy named Greg in England. This one got to me -- it
missed getting to me for, like, three months. But it just got passed
around to different people, and finally somebody just -- I was walking
through the record label in between the tour up in England, and
somebody
put it in my bag. They just said, "You know what, Tori? This has been
sitting around here. Just take it."
"And I took this letter, and I opened my bag two days later, and I read
it. It was a picture of him he had drawn himself. It was a pencil
drawing. Greg has kind of scrawny hair and glasses, and he's very
skinny
and he held this great big flower. Greg is 23, lives in the north of
England, and his life is over, in his mind.
"The tragedy of that for me, just seeing that over and over again, got
to me so much that I wrote "Pretty Good Year." You don't really know
what my role is. Am I Lucy, or am I that eight bars of grunge that
comes
out near the end where I express, and then nothing, everything else is
Greg's story? I found that kind of really fun. The emotion is coming
from somebody else's story. And yet it touched me so much that I could
sing it."
(Q) Who is Scrumpy?
(A) Scrumpy is the dog that Tori rescued while she was recording UtP in
New Mexico. The dog lived a few months, and then died from injuries
received earlier.
(Q) Okay, if the dog is Scrumpy, who's Stimpy?
(A) Stimpy is Tori's nickname for Trent Reznor.
(Q) Who is Skeeter, then?
(A) "Skeeter" is carved on a tree in the video for "Spark." Tori said
repeatedly in an appearance on MTV Live that the reference was
"personal",
and politeness would require that we end speculation there, yes?
(Q) Then who's Beenie? (Beene?)*****
(A) Beenie is Nancy Shanks, Tori's friend. She provided some backing
vocals on BfP.
(Q) Who is Caton?
(A) Caton is Steve Caton, who has played guitar on at least one track
from every Tori album, including YKTR. He toured with her on the Dew
Drop Inn tour and also performed with her during the RAINN benefit
concert. He is also joining her on the "Plugged" tour for FtCH, along
with drummer Matt Chamberlain and bassist John Evans.
V. Y KAN'T TORI READ QUESTIONS
(Q) What is Y Kant Tori Read?
(A) Before making Little Earthquakes, Tori was in an LA-based rock band
called Y Kant Tori Read. They produced a self-titled album in 1988
which was a critical and commercial failure. Opinions on this album are
divided: some of people consider it to be just a mediocre
radio-oriented
rock album, while others think that there is some good music underneath
all the production. Tori herself dislikes this album, partly because it
holds bad memories for her, and has described it as like "Madonna and
Kate Bush in a head-on collision after eating bad mushrooms."
Original copies of it are extremely rare, since it only sold 7000
copies when it was released, and usually sell for between $100 and
$300. However, there are 5 known bootlegs of this album out there,
possibly more.
(Q) How Can I tell if my copy of YKTR is a bootleg or not?
(A) There is only one legitimate release of YKTR on CD available. It has
not been reissued by Atlantic in any way shape or form. Legitimate CDs
will have clean, sharp artwork in the booklet and on the back cover.
In
addition, the legitimate CD will have "Y Kant Tori Read" in RED letters
on a WHITE background on the spine. Also, the catalog number, printed
on
the spine, and the back of the legitimate CD is 81845-2, not 81845-1,
which is the actual catalog number for the vinyl version.
The five known boots are:
1. YKTR only- recorded on a Gold Recordable CD.
2. YKTR only- a German bootleg of the CD. It is easily distinguishable
by the spine which is WHITE on BLACK lettering. It also carries the
incorrect catalog number 81845-1. In addition, the artwork suffers
from quite a bit of crosshatching when it was scanned, the colors
just don't look "right" (Tori's hair color on the cover is WAAAAAAY
off), and it is obvious that some scan retouching has been done
on the cover where the promo sticker used to be. (directly to the
right of Tori's face.)
(Yes, I know this one says "Atlantic Records" all over it. IT IS
NOT LEGITIMATE!!! The bootlegger just wanted to try extra hard
to make it seem real, and to make his tracks unfollowable)
3. YKTR plus rarities- The bonus tracks are a dead giveaway that
this one is bogus, as is the CD booklet that is a tiny bit too
big to fit in the jewel box.
4. YKTR plus rarities, mark 2- Apparently identical to #3, with the
"Red Robin" logo added to the back.
5. Ultra Rare Tori- Very obviously a bootleg. Awful sound quality,
plus extra tracks, also of poor quality. Doesn't even pretend
to be a legit YKTR.
(Q) How can I get Y Kant Tori Read?
(A) Interest in this album has been revitalized since LE. Since it's
been deleted for some time now, and very unlikely to be re-released, it
is now very difficult to come by. You can always, ask someone who has
a copy of YKTR to make you a copy. We all know dubbing is a no-no, but
since the album is no longer available, more people are willing to make
copies.
You can also buy a bootleg copy from stores which carry boots. See the
"What Tori bootlegs are out there and how can I get one" question in
Section III.
(Q) So has anyone else from YKTR made it big, like Tori?
(A) Yes. The drummer for YKTR was Matt Sorum, who is the current
drummer for the band Guns 'n Roses. Vinnie Coliauta also played drums
for YKTR (in 'Etienne'), and currently plays as part of Sting's band.
Also, Steve Farris played guitar for YKTR and later went on to play for
the group Mr. Mister.
(Q) Where can I get more information about YKTR?
(A) Go to the YKTR FAQ, at
http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/alley/4370/yktrfaq.html
VI. LITTLE EARTHQUAKES QUESTIONS
(Q) What is that noise at the end of "Happy Phantom"?
(A) If you listen closely enough, near the very end of HP, you can
hear Tori say "oops." Since the vocal and musical parts are recorded
differently (a mike for her, a mike for her piano ... you get the
idea),
it has been said that this part was just accidentally forgotten about,
and didn't get cut before the final version. On a CD player, it should
show up around 3:10.
(Q) What is this about a different back cover for LE?
(A) It seems the original back cover for LE was changed for some
reason. It was a painting done by Dave McKean, an artist who often
works
with Neil Gaiman. No one seems to know what this painting was of, or
why it was replaced by the mushrooms.
(Q) Was Tori raped? I hear this is where 'Me and a Gun' came from.
(A) Tori was abducted after a show by a fan who threatened to rape her
but didn't complete the act. She kept it bottled up for quite some
time,
then when she saw the film "Thelma and Louise," she found the courage
to
begin talking about her experience, which led to writing MaaG and the
rest of the songs on LE.
Some fans are split on whether or not Tori's experience should be
equated with actual physical sexual assault. Tori calls the experience
a rape. There is more information available on Mikewhy's Dent at That
page is at http://www.aye.net/~mikewhy/rape.html
(Q) What is with the capitalized words in the LE lyrics booklet?
(A) From an interview with Cindy Palmano, art director for LE:
RDT : What about the capital letters?
Cindy: Oh, I just picked out the ones I thought would look good in
capital letters. (laughs) In fact, we did it over the telephone. I
asked Tori to sing it so that it if somebody was trying to follow it,
it would help them relate. Then I'm afraid I moved it around a bit,
according to where it came typographically. Where there was an
emphasis on the word, or a word that you really heard... it really
does work.
VII. UNDER THE PINK QUESTIONS
(Q) Where was UtP recorded?
(A) It was recorded at a hacienda in New Mexico. A hacienda is a style
of adobe house, not the Mexican restaurant chain.
(Q) What does Under the Pink mean, anyhow?
(A) 'Under the Pink' refers to the dealing with topics and subjects
about women. Pink is a color usually associated with the female sex,
and
Tori has said that this is her "girl album."
(Q) What is a 'Nishiki'?
(A) A type of bicycle.
(Q) What is "Borneo"?
(A) Tori : "What does Borneo make you feel?"
Rick [interviewer]: "Stormy, I think.."
Tori : "Hot and wet. Something I'd like to be sometime. *laugh*"
Apparently it *is* about Borneo the geographical location.
(Q) What was the inspiration for "Cornflake Girl"?
(A) Tori says that reading the Alice Walker book "Possessing the Secret
of Joy" inspired this song, which is about the ways women conspire to
harm each other. The book is about a young African woman who chooses
to undergo female circumcision, a traditional ritual in which the
clitoris and inner labia are cut away with a knife or sharp stone
without anesthesia in order to eliminate sexual desire and keep women
faithful to their husbands. This ritual is usually performed by an
elder woman of the village.
(Q) What are the overlapping lyrics in "Space Dog?"
(A) They are as follows:
So sure those girls now are in the Navy
Those bombs our friends can't even hurt you now
And hold those tears cause their still on your side
Don't hear the dogs barking
Don't say you know we've gone
Andromeda stood with those girls before
The hair in pairs it just got nasty
And now those girls are gone
(Q) What is that sound at the end of "Yes, Anastasia?"
(A) The knock on wood is the sound of the dampers in the piano returning
to their resting places on the strings when Tori releases the
sustaining
pedal.
(Q) Who is Anastasia? What's this about Tori seeing a ghost?
(A) Tori has said that she was visited by the ghostly presence of
Anastasia Romanov, who wanted her story told in a song. It had
happened in October 1992, she said, just before a concert in Richmond,
Virginia. She had food poisoning at the time which she later credited
to
bad oysters.
"I was feeling so sick that I wanted to be put out of my
misery. And then I get this presence. It's like a light, a
blueish-greyish light . . . The message was, `You need to
learn something out of writing my story'."
Czar Nicholas II and his family are said to have been executed in
July of 1918, but a young woman showed up in 1920 claiming to be
Anastasia. She said that a Polish soldier had helped her escape the
massacre. It is still unknown whether the actual Anastasia, and perhaps
one of her brothers, survived. For a cheesy version of this story, see
the Fox movie of the same name.
(Q) What is Tori saying in "God" around 2:25 which is hard to make out?
(A) The quote is from the Bible, Proverbs 31:3: "Give not thy strength
unto women, nor thy ways to that which destroyeth kings."
(Q) I read in the liner notes in Under the Pink that Trent Reznor sang
backup on Past The Mission. Is this the same Trent Reznor who heads
Nine Inch Nails?
(A) Yep, they are one and the same. As a matter of fact, Tori had to go
to the house where Trent was recording "Down the Spiral" (this happened
to also be the place where the Manson cult murders took place) to talk
him into it. She tried to cook him a chicken dinner to help persuade
him, but she says it wouldn't come out right. Her mother, when told
about the disaster, replied that since the heiress to the Folger's
fortune was murdered there, "nothing food in that house will come out
right."
(Q) What did they do to the piano used in Bells for Her?
(A) The technique is called using a "prepared piano," and was pioneered
by postmodern musician John Cage. They took an ordinary upright piano
and de-tuned it down an octave, and modified it by adding things like
paper or wires to the strings. Another piano, treated in the same
fashion, toured with her on the UtP tour.
(Q) Tell me more about "Space Dog".
(A) "Space Dog" is dedicated to Patti Smith. It's interesting to note
that Tori sings "so sure we were on something" and in the credits for
the song, it says Rantz and Zane provided "something." Hmmmmm.....
(Q) "Space Dog" sounds like a drug trip. Does Tori take drugs?
(A) Tori has talked about partaking of a South American hallucinogen
made from a vine called ayuhuasca or yage (William S. Burroughs also
writes about having taken yage). It evidently produces a "trip" that
can last several days, but makes you very ill if it's not prepared
exactly right by tribal elders who know the formula. Tori has also
joked about mushrooms at concerts, and some research on Deja News shows
the following:
Robb McAffree once posted that
>> Tori was quoted once as saying "I think she (Kate Bush) smokes a bit
>> more weed than I do."
and her friend Rantz Hoseley replied, saying,
>Considering tori CANNOT smoke (or be even AROUND smoke, when I'm with her,
>it means upwards of 10 hours of nic fits on my part) due to the fact that
>it makes her lose her voice, I would say that if Kate smoked once a year,
>she'd still smoke more pot than tori...
VIII. BOYS FOR PELE QUESTIONS
(Q) Who is Pele?
(A) Not the soccer player, as innumerable "funny" journalists have
commented. Pele is the volcano goddess of Hawai'i. She supposedly
lives on the island of Oahu in Mount Kilaueaa, which is an active
volcano. Taking lava rock away from Hawai'i is supposed to be very bad
luck and will bring the wrath of Pele upon you (numerous letters in the
visitor's center at Volcano National Park attest to this!) Tori has
said that Pele is fire, and this album is about the boys whom she stole
fire from until she found her own fire.
(Q) Is she really breastfeeding that pig in the picture? What's up with
that?
(A) Here is some of what Tori has said about the pig.
FROM San Francisco radio station Live105 on 7 Feb 96.
Transcribed by snewton @ haywire . csuhayward . edu
AB Okay, no more resentment. But on the other side of the album,
you're caressing a pig.
TA Yeah, well that's a beautiful thing.
AB I mean, does that represent a guy?
TA You know, I will tell you something. You learn a lot about a
person from their perception of things. I think I have to give
freedom to somebody if they want to perceive it that way. Then
that's their choice. But--
AB And young lady, inside this album, you're _nursing_ a pig.
TA Yes.
AB Ha ha ha ha! [nervously] Now was that pig actually sucking?
TA It was a happy little critter. [laughter and howls from audience]
AB I think we _all_ would be.
TA No, but it was a beautiful moment. This might be hard to believe
but it wasn't sexual. It was about mother and child. This little
critter was four days old and hung out with me long enough that
it wanted to think I was its mother. I couldn't fulfill for it.
AB That was kind of teasing the pig.
TA No, it fell asleep and it was gone for two hours and was happy
as a clam.
AB Pigs are wonderful animals.
TA Beautiful.
AB I had a friend who owned one. People think they're stupid or
something, but they're the most intelligent animal, practically,
on the planet.
TA Well, the shot really represents the hidden. To nurse the
hidden, the non-kosher. That which is not acceptable.
AB I must admit that part bothered me a little. Being Jewish, you
know... nursing a _pig_...
TA The imagery is there. It affects people how they want it to. I
know how I felt when I chose to do it.
You can also have a look at http://www.aye.net/~mikewhy/piglet.html for
more info.
The writers on Mystery Science Theatre 3000 made reference to this
picture in the episode "The Projected Man." A female scientist cradles
a tiny monkey to her chest and Crow remarks "who is she, Tori Amos?"
(Q) Is "Professional Widow" about Courtney Love?
(A) Tori says no. Some people think it is anyway. Make your own mind up.
(Q) Is "Caught a Light Sneeze" about Trent Reznor?
(A) Tori says no. Some people think it is anyway. Make your own mind up.
(Q) What are the lyrics in "Father Lucifer" where they're all overlapping?
(A) One layer is printed in the liner notes. Another, which starts
halfway through this section, is somewhat clear:
Maybe she's hiding in a hideout (heart of gold?)
Got a pig hiding a truffle
Wearing those purple flowers (garters?)
And girl I got a condo in Hoboken
The third layer is much worse. Tori sang the line "Go away world, it's
only glass" many times during the DDI tour. But the rest of it is just
guesswork. Some of the following was posted by MelanieWatts @
learnlink
. emory . edu:
Go away world, it's only glass
Georgie can not fear it
Skiddle-dee-dee, I am Jesus
Never could go so fast
Go away world, it's only glass
____________ well fear it
There she goes, there she goes, there she goes
If anyone makes a better stab at it than this, please let us know.
(Q) What are the lyrics in "Talula" where they’re all overlapping?
(A) One set of ears with feet asked Tori this very question when meeting
her during the DDI tour. Tori answered with these lines:
"maybe I'm a happy girl
maybe I'm a honeydew
maybe it's a bad job
maybe it's what you are"
(Q) What does "chickens get a taste of your meat" mean?
(A) There are a lot of interpretations for this lyric, but a popular one
relates it to the Alice Walker book "Possessing the Secret of Joy" (see
the "Cornflake Girl" question above). When a young girl is
circumcised,
the flesh which is cut off is often thrown to the chickens in the yard
outside. But this is just one interpretation. (Incidentally, some
people think the reference to "Jamaica" is a reference to Alice Walker,
who has adopted this as a nickname.)
(Q) What song is Tori quoting in "ItSohV"?
(A) The opening line of "Voodoo," "Standing on a corner in Winslow,
Arizona" is taken from the Eagle's song "Take it Easy."
(Q) Why is Tori playing this harpsichord thingy instead of sticking to
the piano?
(A) Because she likes it, silly.
In a 1996 article published in Musician magazine, recording techniques
for the harpsichord and the piano on this album were discussed:
(begin quote)
It was Mark [Hawley] who came up with the idea of building an acoustic
box around the piano when Tori recorded basic tracks at an Irish church
at Delgany, County Wicklow. "Under The Pink was done in Tori's room,
as far as we know," Van Limbeek explains. "To avoid crosstalk from the
vocals to the piano mikes and the other way around, they covered the
piano with blankets. Mark and I could tell this immediately, because
we'd been working with her on the road for a year and the sound of each
room had such a great effect on the piano - even if you had your head
under the lid. You'd think that there's so much direct sound that the
room wouldn't matter that much. As it turned out, that's not true at
all."
(end quote)
Tori talked several times during the DDI tour about how the harpsichord
got fleas. On June 17 in Houston, she said, "Here's my new little
friend. She has fleas. I can't believe it, but she truly has fleas. I
think she got them when we were in Austin." Critters in the
harpsichord
continued to trouble her for part of the tour. Allegedly, margaritas
helped quell the problem.
(Q) How many different versions of this album are there?
(A) The different versions of the album are as follows:
1) The first one with the "regular" Talula. 800,000 of these were
printed.
2) The second one, with the Tornado mix replacing the plain Talula.
Some of these are hard to distinguish from (1) 'cause the CD changed,
but the liner did not. Subsequent pressings of this have reprinted the
liners as well.
3) EastWest released a version of BfP which replaces PW with the
"Armand's Star Trunk Funkin'" remix and also removes ItSoHV.
4) The Japanese pressing of BfP adds, IIRC, Toodles Mr. Jim to the end
of the album.
IX. FROM THE CHOIRGIRL HOTEL QUESTIONS
(Q) What's this about Tori having a miscarriage?
(A) In interviews that began appearing in the weeks before the release
of FtCH, Tori revealed that she had a miscarriage in December of 1996.
Tori had planned to take time off after the DDI tour to be a mother,
but
after the miscarriage the songs for FtCH started showing up.
(Q) Is (insert song title here) about the miscarriage?
(A) If the song was written before December of 1996, no. If it was
written after, possibly. Tori has said that elements of "Spark" relate
to it, but that isn't the entire meaning of the song. "Playboy Mommy"
has specifically been said to be about a fictional person, but it's
not hard to draw a correlation. As with all of Tori's songs, you can
draw multiple meanings from all the lyrics on this album. It may be
useful to keep in mind that although "Me and a Gun" appears on "Little
Earthquakes", not every LE song is about rape.
(Q) What's the first single?
(A) "Spark," was released on April 20, 1998 in the UK. It is not yet
known when the single will be released in the U.S.
The track listings for the UK singles are as follows:
Part 1
Spark
Purple People
Have Yourself A Merry Little Christmas
Bachelorette
Part 2
Spark
Do It Again
Cooling.
(Q) What's the next single?
(A) We don't know yet.
(Q) Where are the Neil Gaiman and Trent Reznor references on FtCH?
(A) In "Hotel", the lyrics "Where are the velvets?" are a reference to
Neil Gaiman's "Neverwhere" TV series/book. She also thanks Neil and
the
velvets in the liner notes. As for Trent, if he's there, we can't
prove
it.
(Q) Does Tori thank the faeries on this album?
(A) Tori was quoted as saying that she has thanked them, but you have to
look for it. She does thank "Top Geezer Ian Stanley" for "Most Things
Illegal Faerie" in the liner notes. Some people have guessed that the
odd spacings in the lyric booklet contain stereogram-like messages, but
we can never see those damn things anyway, so don't ask us.
(Q) Why did she fire Cindy Palmano, who's done the artwork for her other
albums?
(A) Cindy wanted to take time off from being an artist. Tori is
reportedly extremely happy with the photos done by Katerina Jebb and
Martina Hoogland-Ivanov for this album. (Jebb's images were produced
with Tori laying on a giant copy machine.)
(Q) How can I get this song "Merman"?
(A) You have to buy the album from Tower Records (bastards.) Then
you can download the song off the net. Information is available at
http://www.tori.com. It is possible that the song may be circulating
elsewhere if it was recorded by a fan against the carefully laid plans
of Atlantic, say, as an .mp3 or something.
(Q) When is Tori coming to (insert town here)?
(A) You can find more information about the tour at www.tori.com, and
htttp://tori.by.net. That's where we find out. They find out before
we
do anyway!
X. TORI SONG LIST
We decided to eliminate the listing of every Tori song for space. You
can get this info yourself, along with a wealth of other information on
Tori stuff:
There is a Tori discography available at
http://www.btinternet.com/~lianne.macdonald/ToriAmosDiscography.htm
There is a list of online and offline resources available from
reso...@rmta.org, that is also posted regularly to RMTA.
There is a FAQ with suggested prices for rare Tori items available
from pric...@rmta.org
XI. OTHER TORI APPEARANCES
(Q) I have a copy of this Sandman book and it has an introduction by
Tori Amos. Is this the same Tori?
(A) Yes. Tori wrote the introduction for "Death: The High Cost of
Living" when the series was published in trade hardback/paperback.
This
same piece appeared in the collection "Sandman: Book of Dreams."
(Q) Where else has Tori appeared in Sandman?
(A) Yes. In Issue #41, "Tear in Your Hand" is being played in the
background of the leather bar Delirium walks in to. In issue #66,
Rose Walker is talking to someone, and she says, "No, I'm more of a
cornflakes girl myself." A poster for Under the Pink appears in issue
#2 of the "Death: The Time of Your Life" series.
(Q) Delirium is based on Tori, I really mean it!
(A) No she's not. So chill out. There are similarities, which have
arisen since Neil and Tori became friends, but the character is not
based on her. Tori says she feels closer to Death anyway.
(Q) Didn't I see a Tori video on "Beavis and Butthead"?
(A) Yup. They watched "Crucify." Here's how it went:
++++++++++++++
(Tori walking into the room, Beavis and Butthead laugh)
Tori: I wanna to spit in their faces...
{um, isn't this lyric wrong??}
Butthead: She's going to spit on someone?
Beavis: Yeah, yeah! Go for it!
BH: That would be pretty cool.
Tori: I've got a bowling ball in my stomach...
BH: Is that Dave Mustain?
B: Yeah, yeah. [In a whiny/scratchy/spoken voice] "I've got a
bowling ball in my stomach. I've got a desert in my mouth."
BH: That was pretty cool, Beavis.
B: Yeah, thanks.
(Tori in the bathtub.)
BH: How many videos are they going to make with chicks in a
bathtub?
B: Yeah.. At least if they showed them naked it would be cool.
BH: Yeah. How come they never show chicks in showers?
B: Yeah. huh, yeah. Like in soap commercials. Did you ever
see that soap commercial, where that chick gets stabbed?
WHEEN,
WHEEN, WHEEN, WHEEN..
BH: No, buttmunch, that's that movie about those guys in the woods.
B : They're not in the woods, they're in the shower. WHEEN, WHEEN,
WHEEN..
(Tori doing that little cheerleader routine.)
BH: Is this, like, a commercial for VH1?
B: Yeah. "The difference between you and your parents."
BH: Yeah. That's stupid.
B: What's that red thing?
BH: I think it's toilet paper.
B: Yeah. Toilet paper. (=)
+++++++++++++++++++++
They've also watched the 'God' video in the episode "Walkathon".
(Q) Was that Tori Amos I saw/heard on "Lovelines"?
(A) Tori appeared on KROQ's Lovelines call-in love advice show on 27
June 1996. She didn't perform or anything, but sat in the studio and
helped the two hosts with their show.
(Q) Wasn't Tori supposed to be in one of the "Crow" films?
(A) Tori was offered the part of Sarah in "The Crow: City of Angels." She
turned it down:
"I got *asked* to do a part in it, but it's like, that red-haired girl
was nowhere in the character! I mean, she (the character) wears Doc
Martens and works in a tattoo parlor! How fucking cliche'! Don't they
know, I have *magnificent fucking shoes?* I wouldn't EVER wear a pair
of
Dr. Martens!... and a tattoo parlor?!? I'd do anything, work in a soup
kitchen, I'd be a waitress (laughs) before I'd do that! I wouldn't
mind
doing a movie if I felt there was something.... but there was just no
way!"
(Q) What albums other than her own has Tori appeared on?
(A) Tori has appeared on:
"Encomium: A Tribute to Led Zeppelin" - "Down by the Seaside"
"Tower of Song: A Tribute to Leonard Cohen" - "Famous Blue Raincoat"
"The Lead and How to Swing It" by Tom Jones - backing vocals on
"Wanna Get Back with You"
"Without You I'm Nothing by Sandra Bernhard - backing vocals on
"Little Red Corvette"
"Toys" soundtrack - "Happy Worker" and "Workers"
"Rare on Air Vol. 2" - "Silent All These Years"
"Higher Learning" soundtrack - "Butterfly" and "Losing My Religion"
"Ima" by BT - vocals on "Blue Skies"
"Twister" soundtrack - "Talula (Tornado Mix)"
"Escape from LA" soundtrack - "Professional Widow"
"Great Expectations" soundtrack - "Siren" and "Finn (Intro)"
"Great Expectations" score - Tori did vocalizations for
"Finn" and Paradiso Perduto".
"Mosquitos" - Stan Ridgway - backing vocals for "Dogs", "Peg and Pete
and Me", and "The Last Honest Man". "Peg and Pete and Me" can also
be found on "Songs That Made This Country Great" (Stan Ridgway's
greatest hits album). Both albums are still in print.
(Q) Is there sheet music published for _____________?
(A) There are five books of sheet music. More info is available in the
Tori Resources FAQ at reso...@rmta.org.
End version 2.0
This FAQ is available at http://www.rmta.org and by email from
f...@rmta.org.
Nadyne Mielke
(bramble, a pillywiggin) wrote:
[snip]
:(Q) I've heard Tori is a lesbian/bisexual. Is this true?
:(A) Nope. Tori is very much heterosexual. However, she has stated that
: meeting k.d. lang made her stop and think about it for a minute.
Would it be a good idea to include things she's said in recent
interviews? In that radio broadcast that included the first half hour
of the Chicago club tour show, the interviewer guy asked her about
Raspberry Swirl and the topic came up.
[snip]
:(Q) What is ToriCon?
:(A) ToriCon is a gathering of people from rmta for a weekend of fun,
: carousing, and oh yeah, Tori stuff. The first ToriCon was held in
: December, 1996 in Cincinnati, OH, organized by Aimee (aimee @ rmta .
:org)
: and Karen Whyte (copygurl @ aol . com). ToriCon '97 was held
: in Denver, CO in early August, and was organized by Aimee and Elusis
: (elusis @ rmta . org). The upcoming ToriCon '98 will be held in August
: in Atlanta, organized by Aimee and nadyne (nadyne @ rmta . org).
<pedantic> Can I have a capital N? Please? :) </pedantic>
[snip]
:(Q) What is "OKTorifest"?
:(A) OKTorifest is an annual party held in Oklahoma by Richard and
: Melissa Caldwell, editors of "Really Deep Thoughts".
Is this right? I thought it was held in October in Ohio. Am I
completely wrong on this?
:(Q) Are there other fanzines, or a fan club I can join?
As a point of reference, all the fan club/zine stuff is all available
in the Resources FAQ. Feel free to steal from that or put a pointer
to that. :)
[snip]
:(Q) So when's the next album coming out?
:(A) May 5, 1998. See the section on "From the Choirgirl Hotel," below.
I probably don't need to nag y'all to change this to something like
"so when's the next single out" or some such, right?
:(Q) Why wasn't Tori in Lilith Fair/Will Tori be in Lilith Fair this year?
:(A) Tori wrapped up a year-long tour in November, 1996. Other than the
: RAINN concert in January 1997, Tori took a well-deserved rest from live
: performance. Plus she had to have some time to record this new album!
: There are rumors that Tori has been asked to do Lilith Fair this year,
: but there is no hard evidence one way or the other. Since she's doing
: a short US tour in April/May, spending some time playing Europe after
: that, and then probably returning to the US for a full-on tour after
: *that*, when would she have the time?
This one probably needs to be changed too. {Feel free to thwap me if
y'all want/need. :) }
:(Q) What Tori Amos bootlegs are out there and how can I get one?
:(A) A bootleg is a live concert recording of a music artist.
: These are almost *always* illegal, but that doesn't mean
: they're impossible to find. Bootlegs are recorded via audience
: members, soundboard hook up, or FM broadcast, among other
: methods. For a comprehensive list of Tori bootlegs, go to Jason
: Bilsky's (fuzzbox @ world . std . com) bootleg discography at
: http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/alley/4370/tabdnew.html As far as
: trading or buying them, ask around on rec.music.tori-amos - there are
: usually people willing to trade, or suggest stores.
You might want to specify that Jason's bootleg discography is CD boots
only. Reading this paragraph, I didn't think it was clear.
[snip -- we're now in YKTR stuff]
: Original copies of it are extremely rare, since it only sold 7000
: copies when it was released, and usually sell for between $100 and
: $300. However, there are 5 known bootlegs of this album out there,
: possibly more.
Make that six. There's a new one out that's misspelled as "Y Kant
Tori Rede".
[snip -- LE stuff]
: Some fans are split on whether or not Tori's experience should be
: equated with actual physical sexual assault. Tori calls the experience
: a rape. There is more information available on Mikewhy's Dent at That
: page is at http://www.aye.net/~mikewhy/rape.html
Need to revise that last sentence. Looks like the editor forgot to
snip out something. :)
[snip -- BfP stuff]
:(Q) Is "Professional Widow" about Courtney Love?
:(A) Tori says no. Some people think it is anyway. Make your own mind up.
:(Q) Is "Caught a Light Sneeze" about Trent Reznor?
:(A) Tori says no. Some people think it is anyway. Make your own mind up.
A stock answer is always good to have! Does anyone {Angela?} have
quotes/interviews around where she says no?
:(Q) How many different versions of this album are there?
:(A) The different versions of the album are as follows:
:
:1) The first one with the "regular" Talula. 800,000 of these were
:printed.
:2) The second one, with the Tornado mix replacing the plain Talula.
: Some of these are hard to distinguish from (1) 'cause the CD changed,
: but the liner did not. Subsequent pressings of this have reprinted the
: liners as well.
:3) EastWest released a version of BfP which replaces PW with the
: "Armand's Star Trunk Funkin'" remix and also removes ItSoHV.
:4) The Japanese pressing of BfP adds, IIRC, Toodles Mr. Jim to the end
: of the album.
Another one was recently reported that had the old Talula with the
tornado mix liner notes.
Since you're quoting me here, you can take out the "IIRC" part in (4).
It's definitely Toodles Mr. Jim on the Japanese release.
[snip -- ftch]
:(Q) What's the first single?
:(A) "Spark," was released on April 20, 1998 in the UK. It is not yet
: known when the single will be released in the U.S.
Yes it is. ;)
[snip]
:(Q) What's the next single?
:(A) We don't know yet.
If y'all need me to dig up that post from precious-things that has the
information on the Raspberry Swirl info, lemme know. As it stands
now, it appears that RS will be released in the UK on 3 August 1998.
The next US release is still slated to be Jackie's Strength, although
I don't think I've heard the same release date twice.
[snip]
:(Q) How can I get this song "Merman"?
:(A) You have to buy the album from Tower Records (bastards.) Then
: you can download the song off the net. Information is available at
: http://www.tori.com. It is possible that the song may be circulating
: elsewhere if it was recorded by a fan against the carefully laid plans
: of Atlantic, say, as an .mp3 or something.
Merman is no longer available for download on www.tori.com. You'll
either have to resort to the MP3 route or wait until the Jackie's
Strength single, where it's supposed to be a b-side.
:(Q) When is Tori coming to (insert town here)?
:(A) You can find more information about the tour at www.tori.com, and
: htttp://tori.by.net. That's where we find out. They find out before
:we
: do anyway!
Remove one of the t's in htttp://tori.by.net. The best tour
information is available at the official fanclub site at
http://www.toriamos.org. www.tori.com was releasing it before
toriamos.org, but they appear to have slacked off. The Dent is a
great resource as well, but navigating through the fanclub's site is
easier. ;)
You also might want to add a question in on "when is Tori going to be
on Leno/Letterman/etc". That info is also available at toriamos.org
or the Dent.
[snip]
:(Q) Is there sheet music published for _____________?
:(A) There are five books of sheet music. More info is available in the
: Tori Resources FAQ at reso...@rmta.org.
Six, soon to be seven.
On a formatting note, some of the lines are wrapping where it doesn't
appear you intended them {72 instead of 75, whatever}.
HTH y'all out. :)
/nad
bramble, a pillywiggin
<hic!>, Nadyne Mielke wrote:
<snip a lot of helpful things>
>HTH y'all out. :)
<grin> thanks Nadyne. :) yes, it's very helpful. for the record, the faq
needs to be updated, and i hope to have it updated soon. i was hoping to
try and get past all the updates that need to be done now/will need to be
done in the not-so-distant future before bothering Scott to see if he can
set up an auto-posting for it. however, seeing all of the hooplah going on
made me decide to post it as is for the time being.
your comment after last posting that it be broken into parts when posted
because it's so large did not fall on deaf ears, btw. i've been trying to
figure out how to divide it for posting. unless someone suggest something
brilliant, the next time the faq gets posted it will be in 3 pieces.
the faq *will* be posted more often. at that time, if folks decide that
it's too often for *them*, then we'll try to have it set-up so that it can
be easily killfiled.
AFAIC, it's better to have the faq posted *too* often than not often
enough.
in the meantime, i have a folder containing posts to assist w/ faq updates,
and this post of yours Nadyne is going right in. :) (and i'll fix the
capitalization of your name.)
other things: i am convinced that no matter what gets done with the faq,
not *everyone* will be happy. it will either be posted too often or not
often enough. it will either be too big, or somebody's server will not
pick up all of the parts. Elusis and i have done/are doing/will do the
best that we can, and the rest will just have to happen. :) *shrug*
as a general note, i would appreciate it if folks would realize what a
great deal of effort goes into maintaining the faq. it's not easy. and
we're not perfect. *lots* of folks worked on this before us, and they
worked hard. (and we appreciate the help we get now.) i'm sure y'all can
understand if we'd like it if the faq did not fall on deaf ears. please,
please, please, read the faq! it saves you time, it saves the newsgroup
time, it saves headaches. there's a happy medium. apparently, pointers to
the newbie pack, rmta.org website, faq, and so forth aren't obvious enough.
(boggle!) so when someone asks a frequently asked question, please
gently[1] point them in the direction of the faq. and it doesn't *hurt* to
throw in the excerpt of the faq that's relevant. personally, i am happy
enough with the pointer. the excerpt is is icing on the cake. it's like
directing someone to the dictionary when they ask how to spell a word.
rmta hands the dictionary over in lots of different ways.
for those who don't like this approach, i am not *happy* that you feel some
sort of discomfort. however, the whole point of having a faq is to avoid
having the same darn threads over and over and over again.
to sum up, here's the faq as it stands atm (it used to be current. *sigh*)
additional info is appreciated. (but pointless or rude whining won't be.)
thanks to Nadyne and to all the other folks who have helped out in the
past, be it with a ton of info or typo-pointing-out, or be it with useful
info-type posts.
signing off for the moment.
bright blessings,
bramble
one of the maintainers of the tori faq
[1] but quite frankly, if someone is being an idiot and can't be arsed to
look stuff up for themselves (iow, they aren't unaware of its existence,
they just want the supposedly easy way out), i won't be heartbroken or off
on a rampage when folks are less than patient. so sue me. i'm human.
further note, gently *is* preferred. i'm not saying that we should jump on
everyone and anyone. nor do i think that we do. i'm just trying to be
overly clear.
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Nadyne Mielke
(bramble, a pillywiggin) wrote:
[snip]
:your comment after last posting that it be broken into parts when posted
:because it's so large did not fall on deaf ears, btw. i've been trying to
:figure out how to divide it for posting. unless someone suggest something
:brilliant, the next time the faq gets posted it will be in 3 pieces.
I'd have to have it in front of me to know for sure, but I'd probably
suggest having the general info and the album info in separate posts.
I -think- I had another suggested break in there, but I'll be damned
if I can remember it.
Once you break it up like that, I would suggest adding something at
the end of each one, along the lines of "we know news servers
sometimes miss posts, and since this is useful, it will of course be
partially lost -- Murphy dictates this. If you missed part of this,
email f...@rmta.org and ask. :)"
I dunno if Scott already does this, but I would recommend breaking it
up for the mailing too. 1200+ lines is a whole lot to dump in
someone's mailbox at once.
/nad
JoJo the Clownfaced Warthog
> while i was drunk from accidentally inhaling too much of my own faeriedust
> <hic!>, Nadyne Mielke wrote:
>
> <snip a lot of helpful things>
>
<snip even more deep thoughts and plans, including the plan to split
the FAQ into three parts>
For those who might want to download other FAQs but not the
"Official" FAQ (per-minute-people, etc.), perhaps a new threadmarker
would be useful so those people could killfile the OFAQ?
Or not. Just a thought.
helpfully (?),
-j
--
"Some things are true whether you believe in them or not."
Damian
bramble, a pillywiggin <bra...@innocent.com.subtract> wrote:
[snip]
> your comment after last posting that it be broken into parts when
> posted because it's so large did not fall on deaf ears, btw. i've
> been trying to figure out how to divide it for posting. unless
> someone suggest something brilliant, the next time the faq gets
> posted it will be in 3 pieces.
My humble suggestions:
Part 1: Questions relating to Tori herself. Things like "How did
she get her name?", "When did she get married and by any chance does
she practice polyamory?", and "What's her favorite hair dye?" would
go therein. You may also want to rename this the Stalker Guide. ;)
Part 2: Questions relating specifically to Tori's music; I feel
this should cover all albums up to and including BfP, since it's
pretty much a done deal for those. Anything about FtCH should be
put into the next section, as there are still forthcoming interviews,
TV appearances, single releases and B-sides, and a tour in progress.
Part 3: Time-sensitive matter. Things dealing with FtCH like I
said, questions like "What's the next single?" and "When is she
appearing on Letterman again?", and which websites to check for
up-to-date tour info. Also, maybe this section could be posted most
frequently, since it will be the one undergoing the most updates.
Okay, that's enough contribution from me for now. ;)
Oh, and through my admittedly cursory perusal of the FAQ, I didn't
notice a "What covers has she done?" question. I'd like to see this
added. Since we can't know what she did back in her lounge-singing
days, I suppose it would be from LE onwards, and especially include
the rarities like 'Songbird' [1] and 'Live to Tell'. Of course I don't
have a list myself, which is why I'm suggesting rather than demanding
one. =P
Okay, -now- I'm done.
Damian is playing poker with the rest of the stragglers.
1] Whose song is this anyway? Fleetwood Mac's? And any luck getting
a hold of it yet, /nad?
Darrien
> For those who might want to download other FAQs but not the
> "Official" FAQ (per-minute-people, etc.), perhaps a new threadmarker
> would be useful so those people could killfile the OFAQ?
>
> Or not. Just a thought.
To quote the industrious-Ms-Bramble:
"[I will be] bothering Scott to see if he can set up an auto-posting for
it."
"the faq *will* be posted more often. at that time, if folks decide
that it's too often for *them*, then we'll try to have it set-up so that
it can be easily killfiled."
The intent, I believe, is to give the FAQ its own rmta.org email addy,
so that ppl can just kill-file that :)
Darrien
[On to discuss a new threadmarker...]
--
" I was cold so I wrapped my shadows around me"
"Holy shit - I'm married"
Darrien
> On Tue, 14 Jul 1998 00:07:07 GMT, bra...@innocent.com.subtract
> (bramble, a pillywiggin) wrote:
<FAQ disection>
> I'd have to have it in front of me to know for sure, but I'd probably
> suggest having the general info and the album info in separate posts.
> I -think- I had another suggested break in there, but I'll be damned
> if I can remember it.
Hmmm... not sure if I'd agree. I discussed this with Bramble before she
made her decision and the best argument against such a deliberate cut
would be the effect it would have of confusing ppl., esp newbies. Until
the website is properly re-vamped and the FAQs can be laid out clearly,
I suspect that some ppl would lose track of which FAQ they really needed
to get hold of, esp since many topics (eg Tori and Trent) cross-over
albums - and general/album info becomes esp confusing.
> Once you break it up like that, I would suggest adding something at
> the end of each one, along the lines of "we know news servers
> sometimes miss posts, and since this is useful, it will of course be
> partially lost -- Murphy dictates this. If you missed part of this,
> email f...@rmta.org and ask. :)"
It was suggested that an entry like this be put at the beginning of each
section, as well as labelling each section as [part one of three][etc]
> I dunno if Scott already does this, but I would recommend breaking it
> up for the mailing too. 1200+ lines is a whole lot to dump in
> someone's mailbox at once.
I disagree for two reasons; ensuring that newbies get the whole thing
and that searching for one word (eg Trent) is easier - when ppl cannot
attribute, do you really expect them to be able to cut and post three
mails into one document ? I've run tech support for ppl who couldn't
*save* documents, let alone manipulate them across programs.
Nothing will please everyone, but I think Bramble has the best solution
for pleasing the 'most' ppl, in the long run.
Darrien
Kristin E. Holland
: <grin> thanks Nadyne. :) yes, it's very helpful. for the record, the faq
: needs to be updated, and i hope to have it updated soon. i was hoping to
: try and get past all the updates that need to be done now/will need to be
: done in the not-so-distant future before bothering Scott to see if he can
: set up an auto-posting for it. however, seeing all of the hooplah going on
: made me decide to post it as is for the time being.
Thank you, bramble. :-)
: the faq *will* be posted more often.
Thanks for this too. <concerned> I hope this doesn't make too much work
for you....(This is why I think an automated posting or pointer would be
great ...if people have time to figure one out...sigh.)
: AFAIC, it's better to have the faq posted *too* often than not often
: enough.
Sure. :-)
: other things: i am convinced that no matter what gets done with the faq,
: not *everyone* will be happy. it will either be posted too often or not
: often enough. it will either be too big, or somebody's server will not
: pick up all of the parts. Elusis and i have done/are doing/will do the
: best that we can, and the rest will just have to happen. :) *shrug*
And you've both done *very* well. Ya can't please everybody, so try not
to worry. But I think your notion about "too much = better than too
little" is right on, IMHO.
: as a general note, i would appreciate it if folks would realize what a
: great deal of effort goes into maintaining the faq. it's not easy. and
: we're not perfect. *lots* of folks worked on this before us, and they
I do appreciate it - in fact, I appreciate it more every time I look at it
and see the sheer size of it, and the amount of info it includes. You do
good work, everybody.
: worked hard. (and we appreciate the help we get now.) i'm sure y'all can
: understand if we'd like it if the faq did not fall on deaf ears. please,
: please, please, read the faq! it saves you time, it saves the newsgroup
Will do - have sent myself a copy of the FAQ as you posted it so I can
hang onto it.
: time, it saves headaches. there's a happy medium. apparently, pointers to
: the newbie pack, rmta.org website, faq, and so forth aren't obvious enough.
: (boggle!) so when someone asks a frequently asked question, please
^^^^^^^^^
Since I'm a regular who's been guilty of missing these things, I feel
like I shoudl try to explain a bit...and I'm kinda stuck. <sheepish>
There are pointers all over, which is wonderful, but <thinking out loud>...
-they're often in people's .sigs, and as I'm trying to read quickly, I
often end up paging quickly and missing them...(how many times have I
paged through a long thread rapidly, only to realize that I'd paged too
far and missed the one or two new responses? At that point I get pooped
and decide to wait until tomorrow, so you can see where I might miss a
small e-mail address....)
-(this one comes with apologies, since I know I'm not the only thoroughly
swamped person around here) I'm thoroughly swamped. My brain fills up
very quickly these days. Half the time I can't remember where I left my
keys, my wallet, my ID, my books, my pillow, my dissertation, my
brain....By the time I realize there was a way I could/should have found
an answer myself, it's too late; or when I do realize, it's too far down
the list of "things I have to get to before i can go to bed" (sorry -
quoting myself again), and so it doesn't get done.
I don't mean to make excuses: your <boggle> is justified. I suppose I'm
just trying to explain the mental process that makes a well-meaning
regular occasionally screw up...and thus see the possible utility of a
really incredibly blindingly obvious intro pointer thing.
: gently[1] point them in the direction of the faq. and it doesn't *hurt* to
: throw in the excerpt of the faq that's relevant. personally, i am happy
: enough with the pointer. the excerpt is is icing on the cake. it's like
I'd happily do this, but I tend not to have a hard copy on hand to excerpt
from, and I don't know any funky computer tricks that woud let me simply
pinch a bit from what I just sent myself and is lounging in my files
somewhere. I can think of ways I might try it, but I'm not comfortable
with them enough to muddle around. That said, I'll try to help direct
people more toward things like the newbie pack (whose e-mail address I can
actually recall now without having to page through...oops, missed
it...which message was it on again?...you see my point?) so that the same
people don't have to repeat themselves quite so often - I know that gets
frustrating, esp. when you already all work so hard at this. Mea culpa.
Je regrette. :-(
: thanks to Nadyne and to all the other folks who have helped out in the
: past, be it with a ton of info or typo-pointing-out, or be it with useful
: info-type posts.
Yep - thanks to everybody. You put in a lot of effort, and it doesn't go
unnoticed. Thank you -
-K
--
Kristin E. Holland | "It's 90 degrees!
khol...@sas.upenn.edu | Have mercy, John, please!
Classicist in Training | It's hot as Hell
University of Pennsylvania | in Philadel-phia!"
-Congress to John Adams in "1776"
Kristin E. Holland
: days, I suppose it would be from LE onwards, and especially include
: the rarities like 'Songbird' [1] and 'Live to Tell'. Of course I don't
: 1] Whose song is this anyway? Fleetwood Mac's? And any luck getting
: a hold of it yet, /nad?
Hiya,
This would be the "and the songbirds keep singing like they know
the score", yes? It's Fleetwood Mac, from "Rumours," originally sing solo
by Christine MacVie at the piano. :-)
Nadyne Mielke
[Songbird]
:1] Whose song is this anyway? Fleetwood Mac's? And any luck getting
:a hold of it yet, /nad?
Fleetwood Mac. And no, I haven't gotten it. I've been searching
since she first did it {and renewed the search when she did it in the
same damned place again later on the tour}, but have been completely
unsuccessful. It doesn't appear to be in cassette or DAT boot
circles, and it's pissing me off. I think the only way to get a copy
of it at this point is to get it from Tori herself [1].
/nad
[1] Tori has been recording every show for quite awhile now.
Danielle Ringrose
>[snip -- BfP stuff]
>
>:(Q) Is "Professional Widow" about Courtney Love?
>:(A) Tori says no. Some people think it is anyway. Make your own mind up.
>:(Q) Is "Caught a Light Sneeze" about Trent Reznor?
>:(A) Tori says no. Some people think it is anyway. Make your own mind up.
>
>A stock answer is always good to have! Does anyone {Angela?} have
>quotes/interviews around where she says no?
<raising hand>
Um... I can help with that...
"Let's put it this way, Courtney [Love] and I have never spoken.
We've never spoken about it and I think it's best kept that way.
We have mutual friends. I don't want to put them in a bad
position."
(From "Ready, Steady, Kook", Q magazine, May 1998, by Tom
Doyle.)
[interviewer]Do you realize you're seen as good copy by journalists?
"Courtney Love gives good copy."
[interviewer]: Seeing as you um, mentioned Courtney Love, there's talk that
you wrote Professional Widow about her. Is that true?
"There's a lot of talk about her. One of my best friends is close
with her. I would never dishonor that."
(From "Shock and bull TORI", Herald Sun newspaper (Australia),
July 9, 1998, by Cameron Adams.)
<shameless self-promotion in light of "controversy" over page>
Find these and more at the TALD:
http://www.home.aone.net.au/evos/dan/tori/tald.html
</plug>
Not my page, but I do all the advertising anyway ;)
Dani.
==
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fada...@torithoughts.org
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