Tori Amos nude pic
Angelf the Orange Space Platypus
>
> Would any of you Tori Amos lovers like me to post a complete
> nude of Tori ? Just let me know (only on this newsgroup, don't
> e-mail me personally).
Greeetings, oh most magnificent of the order of Zeflaten 3 minor. Your
request haS been heard by the almighty space platypus, and although We
will forebear it upon ourselves to forgive you for not grovelling afore
our almighty ear lobes, whose wax you are not worthy to polish your
car with, we do not look lightly upon the requests of the many
multitudinous whispering pheromerone and testosterone deities to be
so roused from their slumber of the deep ages long past. Therefore, it
is our request that if ye shall be wishing against the great ones whom
I command at my very whim, that ye offer up unto the Calculus Demons the
crusts of thy belly button lint as a signal of thy intent to nevermore
disturb nor plumb the greatness of the depth of the shafts of the deeps
of the passages of the mines of the long past of the eldest of the new
races, the dwarves, and their happy and long-lived, prosperous, and
truly naked kinsfolk
of the east, the nadee, the hereshim and opliliphim of three oars,
the greatness and length of
which is not worthy to be typed at the keyboard of the common blue
hedgehog den.
Speak, then, ye therefore, of thy wishes of thy kinsfolk from the planet
thou art from, for surely such a planet is vastly different than our
own. And be speaking ye plainly and welly, for the great and
many-headed demons of the deep do not shine lightly upon thy excess
verbage.
Orange.
Aurora
nude of Tori ? Just let me know (only on this newsgroup, don't
e-mail me personally).
Greetings,
Aurora
Kestrel the Fairly Decent Dragon
>Would any of you Tori Amos lovers like me to post a complete
>nude of Tori ? Just let me know (only on this newsgroup, don't
>e-mail me personally).
Aurora, luv, bite us. You are unfit to see Tori fully clothed, much
less in the buff. We rebuke you, most foul one, and condemn you to the
eternal Hell of the 700 Club.
We show no mercy.
Kestrel
The Fairly Decent Dragon
Michael Rees
>Would any of you Tori Amos lovers like me to post a complete
>nude of Tori ? Just let me know (only on this newsgroup, don't
>e-mail me personally).
No! Seeing Tori nude would devirginize me in the only way I am still pure.
"No, you can't take that away from me."
- Brother Reznor, "head like a hole"
It's bad enough I've seen myself nude.
Michael Preston Rees
The Hideous Chicken-Lord
"He's a chicken, I tell you, a giant chicken!"
- Animaniacs
Joe Galewski
> nude of Tori ? Just let me know (only on this newsgroup, don't
> e-mail me personally).
No.
Midnight Tree Bandit
something about...
>Would any of you Tori Amos lovers like me to post a complete
>nude of Tori ? Just let me know (only on this newsgroup, don't
>e-mail me personally).
Well, even if you posted, we still will not have seen Tori nude because the
picture is so obviously a FAKE. As I understand it, her head was taken from
the cover of UtP and grafted electronically onto some other woman's body.
Besides which we (most of us, anyway) are not THAT kind of Tori Amos lover.
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Kestrel the Fairly Decent Dragon
>>Would any of you Tori Amos lovers like me to post a complete
>>nude of Tori ? Just let me know (only on this newsgroup, don't
>>e-mail me personally).
>No! Seeing Tori nude would devirginize me in the only way I am still pure.
You are not pure. Tori is the one, true pure being in existence.
>"No, you can't take that away from me."
> - Brother Reznor, "head like a hole"
<grins>
Is that a challenge?
>It's bad enough I've seen myself nude.
It's bad enough that we've been circulating nude gifs of you to all of
the rmta posters.
Aimee Lortskell
: In article <DK9oM...@wirehub.nl>, no...@of.your.business (Aurora) wrote:
: >Would any of you Tori Amos lovers like me to post a complete
: >nude of Tori ? Just let me know (only on this newsgroup, don't
: >e-mail me personally).
: No! Seeing Tori nude would devirginize me in the only way I am still pure.
if i were tori, i would find this statement sorely tempting.
[snip]
: It's bad enough I've seen myself nude.
dammit, be proud of yer nude self!
Aimee the Proud Whore
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tranquilizer
>No! Seeing Tori nude would devirginize me in the only way I am still pure.
>"No, you can't take that away from me."
> - Brother Reznor, "head like a hole"
I wouldn't worry. It's probably just some XXX file with Tori's head
pasted on, if indeed this person has a picture...
>It's bad enough I've seen myself nude.
Malathion
>> Would any of you Tori Amos lovers like me to post a complete
>> nude of Tori ? Just let me know (only on this newsgroup, don't
>> e-mail me personally).
would be kind of interesting, though...
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Matthew Brotman
>Well, even if you posted, we still will not have seen Tori nude because the
>picture is so obviously a FAKE. As I understand it, her head was taken from
>the cover of UtP and grafted electronically onto some other woman's body.
You mean I've been watching alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.redheads all this
time for nothing?? Damn!
(Just kidding. I saw that newsgroup's name on the front page of the New York
Times today and I had to work it in somewhere.)
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Kestrel the Fairly Decent Dragon
>Well, even if you posted, we still will not have seen Tori nude because the
>picture is so obviously a FAKE. As I understand it, her head was taken from
>the cover of UtP and grafted electronically onto some other woman's body.
True. Her hair had no shadows, and the gif showed that she was a
natural red-head.
>Besides which we (most of us, anyway) are not THAT kind of Tori Amos lover.
Er, not that we've seen it.
Daniel Meijer
: >Would any of you Tori Amos lovers like me to post a complete
: >nude of Tori ? Just let me know (only on this newsgroup, don't
: >e-mail me personally).
I've already got one - the infamous Aussie "People" shot of Tori sitting
at the piano with legs apart....and no knickers....
Dan
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Hideous Chicken-Lord
>>No! Seeing Tori nude would devirginize me in the only way I am still pure.
>>"No, you can't take that away from me."
>> - Brother Reznor, "head like a hole"
>
>I wouldn't worry. It's probably just some XXX file with Tori's head
>pasted on, if indeed this person has a picture...
I know. I'm just giving the guy/girl/whatever shit.
(insert sheepish grin here).
Michael Preston Rees
The Hideous Chicken-Lord
"Tastes like chicken."
- Beavis, Timon, James Spader's character from "Stargate", etc.
Dan The Kitti Man
In article <DK9oM...@wirehub.nl> Aurora wrote:
>Would any of you Tori Amos lovers like me to post a complete
>nude of Tori ? Just let me know (only on this newsgroup, don't
>e-mail me personally).
um.................no. :P
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>: >Would any of you Tori Amos lovers like me to post a complete
>: >nude of Tori ? Just let me know (only on this newsgroup, don't
>: >e-mail me personally).
>
sitting
>at the piano with legs apart....and no knickers....
>
>Dan
>
Well, I don't have it and would welcome it! Please post or email.....
Help, help, I'm being repressed!!!!! :-)
NDCheetah
world.....I need it!
NDCheetah
Andrew Onifer
>I would LOVE to have a nude pic of the most beautiful woman in the
>world.....I need it!
I don't think Carrie's ever posed nude ;)
jay
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Seperation when there should be love" -Rusted Root
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David Michael Kusters (Snugglebunny)
Pierre Becquey
: Well, it's easy enough to find, but sadly the nude pic isn't really a
: nude pic. It's a FAKE, with Tori's head being superimposed onto someone
: else's naked bod. I don't ever believe Tori would demean herself in this
: way - she uses her sexuality in a sublime way, not like some cheap tart.
Dem's fighting words!
Hehehe... ever willing to re-hash an old argument, I'd like to point out
that: 1) Nudity does not equate with demeaning one's self.
2) If Tori decided to pose nude, would you consider her a "cheap tart"
3) Where you aware of the artistic beauty of a human body?
4) Because of (3), go to a the Louvre, or even your local art gallery.
Count the "cheap tarts" who've posed nude who are now art treasures.
If you can address these points and show me that posing nude is being a
cheap tart (and we ain't talking Hustler, here. I'm talking POSING, not
spreading) I'd be more then surprised.
=-Pierre
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Christopher Foster
Well there was a bootleg called "downunder the pink" or something like
that. It featured many in concert photos of Tori. One of which, you have
to look really careful, but she's playing the piano, seated, of course.
She's wearing a skirt, without underwear. I kid you not. I had to look
twice, before laughing out loud and saying "way cool". I would have
bought the disc (just for picture, it was almost worth it), but the
concert was a lousey audience recording and i hate lousy recordings. But
it's out there and it's not matt job. I just figured Tori wanted to
flash the first few rows. Hell, Courtney's done it plenty of times. Jim
Morrison is said to have flashed his. And Prince regularly gives us his
butt shot....
Aimee Lortskell
: Well, it's easy enough to find, but sadly the nude pic isn't really a
: nude pic. It's a FAKE, with Tori's head being superimposed onto someone
: else's naked bod. I don't ever believe Tori would demean herself in this
: way - she uses her sexuality in a sublime way, not like some cheap tart.
yeah yeah, we all know how ashamed we should be of our naked bodies. right.
Aimee the Whore
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Jermaine Simmons
: > I would LOVE to have a nude pic of the most beautiful woman in the
: > world.....I need it!
: >
: > NDCheetah
: Well, it's easy enough to find, but sadly the nude pic isn't really a
: nude pic. It's a FAKE, with Tori's head being superimposed onto someone
: else's naked bod. I don't ever believe Tori would demean herself in this
: way - she uses her sexuality in a sublime way, not like some cheap tart.
: Paul :)
Now hold on there. Why do you think the nude form is demeaning? I don't
get the idea that we can only love Tori for her music. I happen to find
her to be one of the sexiest women alive. Her music is only a part of
the whole. I have to tell you, when I saw her on SNL I couldn't tear my
eyes away from the screen. She was incredible to look at as well as
hear. Why not let Tori be the sex symbol she really is? To limit her in
the way you have is an idea I find really demeaning.
Jermaine
Hideous Chicken-Lord
ai...@rocket.cc.umr.edu (Aimee Lortskell) wrote:
>yeah yeah, we all know how ashamed we should be of our naked bodies. right.
_Should_ be, not _are_.
Still, it would be more fun to be a naked female body for a few days. More
fun things to play with and the pictures wouldn't be so dorky. ;)
Michael Preston Rees
Hideous Chicken-Lord
"When chickens get a taste of your meat, when he sucks you deep,
sometimes you're nothing but meat."
Tori Amos - "Blood Roses"
Chris Bentley
>> I would LOVE to have a nude pic of the most beautiful woman in the
>> world.....I need it!
>else's naked bod. I don't ever believe Tori would demean herself in this
>way - she uses her sexuality in a sublime way, not like some cheap tart.
Yeah right. I suppose being photographed with your blouse open and a
piglet suckling on your breast is a /particularly/ sublime use of your
sexuality.
Tori Amos is /the/ most overtly sexual performer alive today - sex
sells and Tori is selling buckets.
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Andy Wilks
>Well, it's easy enough to find, but sadly the nude pic isn't really a
>nude pic. It's a FAKE, with Tori's head being superimposed onto someone
>else's naked bod. I don't ever believe Tori would demean herself in this
>way - she uses her sexuality in a sublime way, not like some cheap tart.
Well, I'm not still sure if it's fake or real.
1) The pose is the same as the pose in the white dress for
"Under the Pink". It looks stiff which is a major reason to think fake,
but it could have been intentional.
2) The arms are hers as well, not just the head. The shadows cast by the
hands on the thigh don't look fake.
3) The body proportions are exactly what you would expect. skinny
arms and legs, medium sized breasts, slightly "boyish" shaped torso.
5) no visible joints on the arms or head.
Can anyone post the picture that the head came from? I see
several similar heads, but not one with the hair and expression the
same.
Can anyone find the original body shot.
This is a pretty good fake in my book. I have seen several and always
been able to find seams in Photoshop by zooming in. Not so here.
Andy
Chris Bentley
>> >else's naked bod. I don't ever believe Tori would demean herself in this
>> >way - she uses her sexuality in a sublime way, not like some cheap tart.
>> Tori Amos is /the/ most overtly sexual performer alive today - sex
>> sells and Tori is selling buckets.
>
>Well, there's sex and there's sex. There's the sex that Claudia & Naomi
>sell, and there's the SEXUALITY that Tori conveys. BIG difference, I'm
>sorry, and I'm sure the majority of Toriphiles will agree with me.
Bollocks. There is sex, period. It's only a matter of degree.
>don't know what the pig picture means, but I sure as hell know that she
>didn't mean it to mean "hey, here are my tits".
I'm not suggesting that she did but it would be naive to suggest that
she was not fully aware of the controversy it would cause.
>Anyone interpreting the
>pic, or indeed any other Tori imagery as this, can hardly call themselves
>a Toriphile. Anyone with any idea of her life & history can't help view
>things differently. That's what she's all about.
You have a nice line in condescension Paul. Who made you king of all
things Tori?
Grendel The Magnificent
> Grendel The Magnificent <Paul....@durham.ac.uk> wrote:
>
> >> >else's naked bod. I don't ever believe Tori would demean herself in this
> >> >way - she uses her sexuality in a sublime way, not like some cheap tart.
>
> >> Tori Amos is /the/ most overtly sexual performer alive today - sex
> >> sells and Tori is selling buckets.
> >
> >Well, there's sex and there's sex. There's the sex that Claudia & Naomi
> >sell, and there's the SEXUALITY that Tori conveys. BIG difference, I'm
> >sorry, and I'm sure the majority of Toriphiles will agree with me.
>
> Bollocks. There is sex, period. It's only a matter of degree.
Oh, how deep. May I point everyone to the interview with Tori that Q ran
in about June 1993 in which Tori very clearly made the distinction she
feels between sex and sexuality. There's the physical thing and then
there's the spiritual, emotional thing. Whether you've ever felt the
latter is your own lookout. Tori uses BOTH, and I believe she uses it
simultaneously.
> >don't know what the pig picture means, but I sure as hell know that she
> >didn't mean it to mean "hey, here are my tits".
>
> I'm not suggesting that she did but it would be naive to suggest that
> she was not fully aware of the controversy it would cause.
Of course, but shock for shock's sake has never been Tori's style. That's
the kind of thing people with nothing else to say do - e.g. Courtney
Love. Can't you see there are so many different levels to Tori's work? Have
you read the biography? Have you HEARD what she's saying in
"Silent All These Years?" Or "Baker Baker"? Or, for that matter, the
whole of Boys For bloody Pele? Or what about ME AND A GUN?!?!?! I rest my
case.
> >Anyone interpreting the
> >pic, or indeed any other Tori imagery as this, can hardly call themselves
> >a Toriphile. Anyone with any idea of her life & history can't help view
> >things differently. That's what she's all about.
>
> You have a nice line in condescension Paul. Who made you king of all
> things Tori?
No-one did. I'm simply one of the thousands she's touched to the point
where I can relate to what she does and why she does it. I can't claim to
know everything of Tori, but I sure as hell can claim to understanding
her. And don't talk to me about condescension. I've been through the mill
enough times to know what I'm talking about.
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Grendel The Magnificent
> Grendel The Magnificent <Paul....@durham.ac.uk> wrote:
>
> >> I would LOVE to have a nude pic of the most beautiful woman in the
> >> world.....I need it!
>
> >else's naked bod. I don't ever believe Tori would demean herself in this
> >way - she uses her sexuality in a sublime way, not like some cheap tart.
>
> Yeah right. I suppose being photographed with your blouse open and a
> piglet suckling on your breast is a /particularly/ sublime use of your
> sexuality.
>
> Tori Amos is /the/ most overtly sexual performer alive today - sex
> sells and Tori is selling buckets.
Well, there's sex and there's sex. There's the sex that Claudia & Naomi
sell, and there's the SEXUALITY that Tori conveys. BIG difference, I'm
sorry, and I'm sure the majority of Toriphiles will agree with me. I
don't know what the pig picture means, but I sure as hell know that she
didn't mean it to mean "hey, here are my tits". Anyone interpreting the
pic, or indeed any other Tori imagery as this, can hardly call themselves
a Toriphile. Anyone with any idea of her life & history can't help view
things differently. That's what she's all about.
Yours, defiant and proud,
Paul :)
Grendel The Magnificent
> Grendel The Magnificent (Paul....@durham.ac.uk) wrote:
>
> : Well, it's easy enough to find, but sadly the nude pic isn't really a
> : nude pic. It's a FAKE, with Tori's head being superimposed onto someone
> : else's naked bod. I don't ever believe Tori would demean herself in this
> : way - she uses her sexuality in a sublime way, not like some cheap tart.
>
> Dem's fighting words!
>
> Hehehe... ever willing to re-hash an old argument, I'd like to point out
> that: 1) Nudity does not equate with demeaning one's self.
> 2) If Tori decided to pose nude, would you consider her a "cheap tart"
> 3) Where you aware of the artistic beauty of a human body?
> 4) Because of (3), go to a the Louvre, or even your local art gallery.
> Count the "cheap tarts" who've posed nude who are now art treasures.
>
> If you can address these points and show me that posing nude is being a
> cheap tart (and we ain't talking Hustler, here. I'm talking POSING, not
> spreading) I'd be more then surprised.
>
> =-Pierre
All a very nice argument my friend, but the notorious picture in question
is hardly a pose - just a body. No "arty" lighting, no subliminal
messages, just... here are my tits, and here is my fanny.
Whoopee. I fail to see the artistic validity of this, I'm so sorry if I'm
repressed in any way.
Tch.
Grendel The Magnificent
> Grendel The Magnificent (Paul....@durham.ac.uk) wrote:
> : Well, it's easy enough to find, but sadly the nude pic isn't really a
> : nude pic. It's a FAKE, with Tori's head being superimposed onto someone
> : else's naked bod. I don't ever believe Tori would demean herself in this
> : way - she uses her sexuality in a sublime way, not like some cheap tart.
>
> yeah yeah, we all know how ashamed we should be of our naked bodies. right.
>
> Aimee the Whore
That is not what I meant and you bloody well know it. God, what is it
with you people? Can you do nothing but read things into things? A REAL nude
pic of Tori would HARDLY disgust me! But for pure titillation..... nah, I
can't agree with it, and as this is obviously a fake for that very
purpose I can't agree with it.
Aimee Lortskell
: > yeah yeah, we all know how ashamed we should be of our naked bodies. right.
: That is not what I meant and you bloody well know it.
no, we obviously did not know it.
: God, what is it
: with you people? Can you do nothing but read things into things? A REAL nude
: pic of Tori would HARDLY disgust me! But for pure titillation.....
perhaps you should work on clarifying your ideas so that people actually
can understand what it is you want to say. you denounced a (faked)
nude photo and said tori would not demean herself that way. had you said
that you thought the photo wasn't what you saw as being up to the level
of tori's artistic standard, maybe it would have made more sense to us.
but your wording implied that it was the nudity itself which offended you.
OTOH, what's wrong with titillation?
: nah, I
: can't agree with it, and as this is obviously a fake for that very
: purpose I can't agree with it.
well, that's another issue entirely. i don't even bother checking out
the latest 'NUDE PHOTO OF TORI!!!!' anymore after the first one i saw
posted. if i see the subject line, i actually just *assume* it's fake.
certainly it's unethical to try and pass these fakes off as the real
thing, but that has nothing to do with whether tori would be a 'cheap
tart' as you describe it. come to think of it, i imagine tori would be a
rather expensive tart. hell, even i'm worth $500 a pop. ;)
Aimee the Whore
Grendel The Magnificent
> Grendel The Magnificent (Paul....@durham.ac.uk) wrote:
> : On 21 Jan 1996, NDCheetah wrote:
>
> : > I would LOVE to have a nude pic of the most beautiful woman in the
> : > world.....I need it!
> : >
> : > NDCheetah
>
> : Well, it's easy enough to find, but sadly the nude pic isn't really a
> : nude pic. It's a FAKE, with Tori's head being superimposed onto someone
> : else's naked bod. I don't ever believe Tori would demean herself in this
> : way - she uses her sexuality in a sublime way, not like some cheap tart.
>
> : Paul :)
>
> Now hold on there. Why do you think the nude form is demeaning? I don't
> get the idea that we can only love Tori for her music. I happen to find
> her to be one of the sexiest women alive. Her music is only a part of
> the whole. I have to tell you, when I saw her on SNL I couldn't tear my
> eyes away from the screen. She was incredible to look at as well as
> hear. Why not let Tori be the sex symbol she really is? To limit her in
> the way you have is an idea I find really demeaning.
>
> Jermaine
As I've said a million bloody times before, sex for sex's sake is NOT
what I believe what Tori has ever been about. There are so many LEVELS to
Tori's work I can't believe she'd do that, to reduce it to one.
Tore Skogseth
>> Yeah right. I suppose being photographed with your blouse open and a
>> piglet suckling on your breast is a /particularly/ sublime use of your
>> sexuality.
>Well, there's sex and there's sex. There's the sex that Claudia & Naomi
>sell, and there's the SEXUALITY that Tori conveys. BIG difference, I'm
>sorry, and I'm sure the majority of Toriphiles will agree with me. I
>don't know what the pig picture means, but I sure as hell know that she
>didn't mean it to mean "hey, here are my tits". Anyone interpreting the
>pic, or indeed any other Tori imagery as this, can hardly call themselves
>a Toriphile. Anyone with any idea of her life & history can't help view
>things differently. That's what she's all about.
So, basically, what you're saying is that if Tori is on a picture with
a piglet suckling her breast it is art and sexuality, but if Claudia
or Naomi did the same thing it would be just plain, old, dirty sex???
I have to disagree with you on this. A picture will be the same
picture regardless of who sits there. And even if she is doing more
than showing off her tits, isn't it kind of easy to just say that
"Hey, she's Tori Amos, there must be more to it than that...". I am
sorry, but I fail to see the connection between this picture and the
rest of the record, that's why I don't like it being there - I'm just
glad it was not used as a cover pic. I think the picture is cute, but
I keep asking myself if it really was necessary. But I might have
asked the wrong guy...
Tore
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: So, basically, what you're saying is that if Tori is on a picture with
: a piglet suckling her breast it is art and sexuality, but if Claudia
: or Naomi did the same thing it would be just plain, old, dirty sex???
Supermodels, in the course of doing what they do for a living,
aren't generally trying to convey a complex personal message. What they do
is orchestrated by someone else who doesn't have anything to say to you
but 'buy these blue jeans'. (A picture of Claudia or Naomi suckling a pig
would still be a fairly intriguing picture, but for a different reason:
you'd have to wonder who thought it would sell blue jeans, and why.)
Anything Tori does is NOT automatically great art simply because she did
it; but in cases where her meaning is not immediately clear or easy to get
at, she at least deserves the benefit of the doubt.
: sorry, but I fail to see the connection between this picture and the
: rest of the record, that's why I don't like it being there - I'm just
It's pretty safe to say that a lot of the album is colored by her
breakup with her 'soulmate' (her characterization of the relationship, in
at least one interview). The picture is of someone who, to put it mildly,
is not in an equal relationship... someone who is giving nourishment and
not getting it back, who perhaps feels tricked and used ("sometimes you're
nothing but meat"). It's also a hilariously nasty characterization of the
other half of the relationship... I thought the tone of the picture was
pretty consistent with the tone of the album.
The specifics of my interpretations could be way off base; but the
whole point of making a picture or playing a song is that you can express
something that you can't express as well in words. One of the wonderful
things about Tori's music is its open-endedness; there's usually a lot of
room for interpretation, which is to say room for you to move into the
song and live in it, fill in the blanks for yourself and be involved in
the creation of meaning, rather than just having everything spelled out
for you. (This is starting to sound pretty flaky; I'd better stop...)
Aimee Lortskell
: Tori's work I can't believe she'd do that, to reduce it to one.
i'd agree that that's not all that tori is about. but i do think it's
one of the things that's she's about. icicle sends the strong message
that pleasure is more divine and holy than any dry religious ritual. and
what else is masturbation but sex for sex's sake, just to feel good?
what was it woody allen said...'it's sex with someone i love'. in
leather she wonders why she can't have sex for sex's sake like many men
can.
i don't think there's any such thing as meaningless sex; if it feels good
that means enough.
Aimee the Whore
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^ we all had delusions in our head ^
^ we all had our minds made up for us ^
^ we had to believe in something ^
^ ...so we did ^
^ - Alanis Morissette ^
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Tore Skogseth
>Anything Tori does is NOT automatically great art simply because she did
>it; but in cases where her meaning is not immediately clear or easy to get
>at, she at least deserves the benefit of the doubt.
I guess this will surprise you, but I agree with you on that. I guess
I was a little carried away yesterday because of the statement that
what Claudia and Naomi are doing is not art. I have to agree that what
they do now cannot be called art, since they are in advertising, but
let's say that they do shots that are not for commercials but art for
art's sake. The statements made disqualifies them from doing this
BECAUSE they also do commercials. That was basiclly what I wanted to
address - and then I got carried away...
Frank Zappa once said that art is art because someone defines it as
such. That is also my point of view. But I am sometimes amused when I
see how people tend to accept what some "stars", "artists" or
"performers" do simply because they are who they are. There is no
reason to stop being critical because you admire an artist - on the
contrary - but I guess I agree that she deserves the benefit of the
doubt.
Regarding the rest of your posting, I have to agree that one of her
strengths is the room for interpretation she leaves with both her
music and lyrics. I do not like music or lyrics spelled out in its
entirety (neither books or movies for that sake)...
But I just love BFP!
George Cifrancis
: Grendel The Magnificent <Paul....@durham.ac.uk> wrote:
: >> I would LOVE to have a nude pic of the most beautiful woman in the
: >> world.....I need it!
: >else's naked bod. I don't ever believe Tori would demean herself in this
: >way - she uses her sexuality in a sublime way, not like some cheap tart.
: Yeah right. I suppose being photographed with your blouse open and a
: piglet suckling on your breast is a /particularly/ sublime use of your
: sexuality.
: Tori Amos is /the/ most overtly sexual performer alive today - sex
: sells and Tori is selling buckets.
Hmmm, I it sounds like you are describing Madonna, not Tori. While I do
think Tori is sexy, I don't think she sticks it into people faces. She
has tons of sex appeal, and there is something that really gets me going
when she performs but to call her "the most overtly sexual performer
alive today"I don't think so.
--George C.
Pierre Becquey
: All a very nice argument my friend, but the notorious picture in question
: is hardly a pose - just a body. No "arty" lighting, no subliminal
: messages, just... here are my tits, and here is my fanny.
The notorious picture in question is not real. My argument was to your
statement that if Tori ever posed nude, she'd be a cheap tart.
: Whoopee. I fail to see the artistic validity of this, I'm so sorry if I'm
: repressed in any way.
No, you're right. A porn picture isn't art from my point of view
either. It's not the nudity, though... it's the overall feel of it. I'm
just sayin' nudity does not equate to tartiness. ;)
Pierre Becquey
: >
: That is not what I meant and you bloody well know it. God, what is it
: with you people? Can you do nothing but read things into things?
No, we can only read what you write. We don't know you very well yet.
How are we supposed to know what your intentions are? I get burned
sometimes like that myself, but no worries, I don't think anyone's
uptight once things are cleared up. Hehehe... actually I kind of like
oyu, ya got that abbrassive edge which lands me in hot water all the
time. Hehehe... a new friend!
A REAL nude
: pic of Tori would HARDLY disgust me! But for pure titillation..... nah, I
: can't agree with it, and as this is obviously a fake for that very
: purpose I can't agree with it.
Okay... ya should have said THAT in the first place.
=-Pierre... listen all y'all it's a SABOTAGE! (I'm gonna sign off the
next bunch of my posts with a line from the song which I'm listening to
at the time... call it a hobby!)
Michael L. Smith
>what else is masturbation but sex for sex's sake, just to feel good?
>what was it woody allen said...'it's sex with someone i love'.
He also said, "You're knocking one of my best hobbies" (or something
like that). Which it is.
Mike
mlsm...@syr.edu
Syracuse, NY
slainte mhath
Michael L. Smith
Kerm
the only nude pic i ever saw of tori was OBVIOUSLY faked...
it was so bad it was comical.
is there a DIFFERENT one y'all are talkin' about?
cause if it's not... the one i'm talkin' about was a WHILE back...
-kerm
Grendel The Magnificent
> Grendel The Magnificent (Paul....@durham.ac.uk) wrote:
> : As I've said a million bloody times before, sex for sex's sake is NOT
> : what I believe what Tori has ever been about. There are so many LEVELS to
> : Tori's work I can't believe she'd do that, to reduce it to one.
>
> i'd agree that that's not all that tori is about. but i do think it's
> one of the things that's she's about. icicle sends the strong message
> that pleasure is more divine and holy than any dry religious ritual. and
> what else is masturbation but sex for sex's sake, just to feel good?
> what was it woody allen said...'it's sex with someone i love'. in
> leather she wonders why she can't have sex for sex's sake like many men
> can.
>
> i don't think there's any such thing as meaningless sex; if it feels good
> that means enough.
And it is on that note that our opinions must differ, Aimee my dear. Let
this rest, now, my heart is aching.
Paul :)
Grendel The Magnificent
> Grendel The Magnificent (Paul....@durham.ac.uk) wrote:
> : >
> : > yeah yeah, we all know how ashamed we should be of our naked bodies. right.
> : >
> : > Aimee the Whore
>
> : That is not what I meant and you bloody well know it. God, what is it
> : with you people? Can you do nothing but read things into things?
>
> No, we can only read what you write. We don't know you very well yet.
Who doesn't? This isn't some sort of select club. I'm no newbie, I've
been on here since it started. But I've never been 'misunderstood' like
this before, in all my 5 years online.
> How are we supposed to know what your intentions are?
Don't ask me mate, I just work here.
> A REAL nude
> : pic of Tori would HARDLY disgust me! But for pure titillation..... nah, I
> : can't agree with it, and as this is obviously a fake for that very
> : purpose I can't agree with it.
>
> Okay... ya should have said THAT in the first place.
>
Oh, I do apologise profoundly. Thanks for agreeing with me, though,
Pierre. But I AM in England and most of you lot aren't and the language
differences are really shining through here.
Grendel The Magnificent
> Grendel The Magnificent (Paul....@durham.ac.uk) wrote:
> : On 26 Jan 1996, Aimee Lortskell wrote:
> : > yeah yeah, we all know how ashamed we should be of our naked bodies. right.
> : That is not what I meant and you bloody well know it.
>
> no, we obviously did not know it.
>
> : God, what is it
> : with you people? Can you do nothing but read things into things? A REAL nude
> : pic of Tori would HARDLY disgust me! But for pure titillation.....
>
> perhaps you should work on clarifying your ideas so that people actually
> can understand what it is you want to say. you denounced a (faked)
> nude photo and said tori would not demean herself that way. had you said
> that you thought the photo wasn't what you saw as being up to the level
> of tori's artistic standard, maybe it would have made more sense to us.
> but your wording implied that it was the nudity itself which offended you.
Hey I'm not Shakespeare, I'm just a sad git who tend to fly off the
handle when things touch me. But I HUMBLY APOLOGISE FOR BREAKING
NETTIQUETE. Slap me with a bent fishknife.... oh, now that would be
kinky, wouldn't it? If I wasn't clear, I'm so so so so so sorry. I'll
shut up in future...
> OTOH, what's wrong with titillation?
Nowt, if it's in the right context. (grin)
>
> : nah, I
> : can't agree with it, and as this is obviously a fake for that very
> : purpose I can't agree with it.
>
> well, that's another issue entirely. i don't even bother checking out
> the latest 'NUDE PHOTO OF TORI!!!!' anymore after the first one i saw
> posted. if i see the subject line, i actually just *assume* it's fake.
> certainly it's unethical to try and pass these fakes off as the real
> thing, but that has nothing to do with whether tori would be a 'cheap
> tart' as you describe it. come to think of it, i imagine tori would be a
> rather expensive tart. hell, even i'm worth $500 a pop. ;)
Congratulations, Aimee. I'm sure there's not 1 RMTA'er suprised by that.
Can we let this one rest guys? We've all be guilty of putting words in
her mouth. I, for one, am getting a headache. Okay, so the picture is
real, I admit. Tori is a babe, a wanton slut, and I wanna fuck her
senseless up against a wall till I bleed.
Happy now ?
Grendel The Magnificent
> Grendel The Magnificent <Paul....@durham.ac.uk> wrote:
.....etc....
>
> So, basically, what you're saying is that if Tori is on a picture with
> a piglet suckling her breast it is art and sexuality, but if Claudia
> or Naomi did the same thing it would be just plain, old, dirty sex???
> I have to disagree with you on this. A picture will be the same
> picture regardless of who sits there. And even if she is doing more
> than showing off her tits, isn't it kind of easy to just say that
> "Hey, she's Tori Amos, there must be more to it than that...". I am
> sorry, but I fail to see the connection between this picture and the
> rest of the record, that's why I don't like it being there - I'm just
> glad it was not used as a cover pic. I think the picture is cute, but
> I keep asking myself if it really was necessary. But I might have
> asked the wrong guy...
You bet your arse you did. I can't help being immersed in this, even if
most people aren't. Leave me alone, for fuck's sake.
Pierre Becquey
: > i don't think there's any such thing as meaningless sex; if it feels good
: > that means enough.
: And it is on that note that our opinions must differ, Aimee my dear. Let
: this rest, now, my heart is aching.
<blows whistle>
FOUL!
No fair arguing without giving congruent explanation of disagreement.
How we sposed to start big-ass threads with this kind of evasive action???
=-Pierre... when you can't even argue about SEX!!!! What's happening to us?
Pierre Becquey
: > No, we can only read what you write. We don't know you very well yet.
: Who doesn't? This isn't some sort of select club. I'm no newbie, I've
: been on here since it started. But I've never been 'misunderstood' like
: this before, in all my 5 years online.
Had you, in your five years online, said anything about an artist in her
own newsgroup such as "I know she wouldn't pose nude, 'cause she's
doesn't use her sexuality like a tart"? I do believe that's an accurate
quote... tell me now how anyone is supposed to get any meaning out of
that other then posing nude is being a tart.
ANd who EVER said this was some select club??? Who's reading into WHO's
writings now?
: > How are we supposed to know what your intentions are?
: Don't ask me mate, I just work here.
<blows whistle> That's twice today! Evasive, aren't you? Come on,
you've told us we should have gotten what you meant from your post. I
ask you how. It's a legitimate question.
: > Okay... ya should have said THAT in the first place.
: Oh, I do apologise profoundly.
Man... you're one UPTIGHT brit, aren't you?
Oh, I'm sorry... redundant. :P
Thanks for agreeing with me, though,
: Pierre. But I AM in England and most of you lot aren't and the language
: differences are really shining through here.
Not really. But your defensive posting nature and lack of ability to
express what you mean in your first attempt ARE.
Just bein' honest. You go ahead and react as you wish. ;)
=-Pierre...saucy fella ain't I?
Grendel The Magnificent
> Grendel The Magnificent (Paul....@durham.ac.uk) wrote:
> : On 30 Jan 1996, Aimee Lortskell wrote:
> [snip]
> : Hey I'm not Shakespeare, I'm just a sad git who tend to fly off the
> : handle when things touch me. But I HUMBLY APOLOGISE FOR BREAKING
> : NETTIQUETE. Slap me with a bent fishknife.... oh, now that would be
> : kinky, wouldn't it? If I wasn't clear, I'm so so so so so sorry. I'll
> : shut up in future...
>
> tsk. you don't have to be shakespare to express your thoughts. and
> being unclear isn't breaking netiquette that i know of. it was simply
> confusing for us when you said one thing and meant another. no big deal,
> but don't expect us to understand you if you can't clarify. get a grip,
> some of us simply disagreed with something we thought you meant.
GOD I HATE IT WHEN EVERYONE IS SO BLOODY SENSIBLE!!!!!!!!!
The day I start taking apart everything I say is the day I ever stop
expressing myself. To tell the plain truth, I couldn't give a monkey's.
And I have a very firm grip, thanks Aimee.
> surprising people was not my intention. i was expressing myself.
> clearly, i might add. :P
Well, yah boo sucks. What is Usenet if I can't try and upset people
who bother me?
Grendel The Magnificent
> Grendel The Magnificent (Paul....@durham.ac.uk) wrote:
> : On 31 Jan 1996, Aimee Lortskell wrote:
>
>
> : > i don't think there's any such thing as meaningless sex; if it feels good
> : > that means enough.
>
> : And it is on that note that our opinions must differ, Aimee my dear. Let
> : this rest, now, my heart is aching.
>
> <blows whistle>
>
> FOUL!
>
> No fair arguing without giving congruent explanation of disagreement.
> How we sposed to start big-ass threads with this kind of evasive action???
>
Okay. If you all REALLY MUST KNOW why I have this "Hang-up" over this,
it's because my ex-girlfriend of two and a half years (i.e we were
going out for 2 1/2 years until March '95) started
sleeping with other people very freely during the last 9 months of our
relationship. This I did not know until the very last two weeks.
I hurt. I loved her to the point of infinity. She obviously held no regard
for me at all. I hurt. I spent a long, long, time hating no-one but
myself for this, and it's only through Tori's music/songs/being I've
managed to rebuild myself to a point where I can trust other people
without the fear of getting hurt myself.
Okay? That's it. Anyone who wants to kill me after this, you're free. I
have no barriers now.
Paul :) / :(
Aimee Lortskell
: going out for 2 1/2 years until March '95) started
: sleeping with other people very freely during the last 9 months of our
: relationship. This I did not know until the very last two weeks.
this is obviously a shitty thing for her to do to you, but it has nothing
to do with tori or anyone else posing nude.
: I hurt. I loved her to the point of infinity. She obviously held no regard
: for me at all. I hurt. I spent a long, long, time hating no-one but
: myself for this, and it's only through Tori's music/songs/being I've
: managed to rebuild myself to a point where I can trust other people
: without the fear of getting hurt myself.
i can understand that you're hurt, but you don't have to redirect that at
other people and how we choose to live our lives. in my case i don't
just fuck around - my husband and i have an open marriage, we have an
agreement. i think 'cheating' is a whole lot different from that. one
of my lovers just went through a break-up similar to the one you're
describing. and i've seen the pain he's in and i can empathize with both
of you. but i don't see how you're going to relieve this pain by being
offended by nudity.
: Okay? That's it. Anyone who wants to kill me after this, you're free. I
: have no barriers now.
well, i'm not terribly interested in killing you, or even flaming you.
all i can say is that while i can see a tenuous connection here to why
you got upset, i think you should have gotten this out in the first place
rather than starting a completely stupid argument about tarts.
but i'll stop kvetching about it now.
*HIG*
Grendel The Magnificent
> Just bein' honest. You go ahead and react as you wish. ;)
>
> =-Pierre
No.
Grendel The Magnificent
It's me again! Ha ha ha ha! Mr. Repressed and Unclear!
(God irony is so hard to translate over IP protocol... prehaps the
sarcasm control codes aren't recognised by American servers...)
On 8 Feb 1996, Pierre Becquey wrote:
> Beatle (s920...@otto.bf.rmit.edu.au) wrote:
> : Pierre Becquey (pbec...@acs.ryerson.ca) wrote:
>
> : (Tori) wouldn't pose nude in a way that is considered tarty. I
> : think if Tori or anyone else posed nude *tastefully* then it would
> : be more arty as opposed to bordering-on-porno pics. Cut the guy
> : some slack, consider different meanings his comment may have had.
The nice thing about the human psyche is that when there's ambiguity, we
always choose the meaning that suits ourselves and our own motives. Hence
war, hate, murder. And the world still goes round, and Paul still gets
misunderstood. There's a million ways I could interpret "The Wrong Band",
or "Space Dog".
> The thing is, these comments have been made before. Some people just
> happen to consider posing nude as WRONG. I don't. When I see someone
> state the former, I reply with the latter. There is no flame, no
> accusations, only an exchange of ideas. His phrasing, if you go back and
> look at his post, said he didn't believe Tori would ever pose nude 'cause
> she doesn't use her sexuality like a cheap tart. I don't agree posing
> nude is being a tart. As long as you understand the above, then I stand
> by what I say.
It's constantly suprised me, the amount of mileage some people can get
over one niggling point. But then, prehaps that's human nature. Leave it,
Pierre, I'm getting bored of this. I'm gonna wrap this shite up once and
for all in this post, then I do not wish to hear of it any more. For more
excitement, read on!
> But this newsgroup also happens to have been like this,Noone's ever
been told to take off. Newbies aren't
> harrassed. ANY-FUCKING-BODY is welcome here, nobody's forced to join in
> the banter.
That's true to a certain extent, but no further (philosophy undergrads
are not invited for comment). This is far from the
idealistic everyone's-mates newsgroup. But again, prehaps I've got some
kind of mental block on this. I'm sure you'll tell me, Pierre.
> : Sorry Pierre that you've made these comments I've chosen to follow
> : up to. Nothing personal. But when a person retaliates with comments
> : like the above, how can another justify what they meant when their
> : words will only get twisted around? That's why trivial flame wars
> : majorly piss me off cos you can't easily justify yourself through
> : written means because someone will *always* twist your words around.
> : God knows how many people have twisted my words around in flame wars,
> : and really it gets rather tedious.
>
> I'd disagree with that. I asked him to justify his comment so I could
> understand what he means.
Yes, and I did. And yet I was still attacked by others personally.
Pierre, I salute you for not getting TOO personal, but a lot of others
did. This is why I want to bury this.
> There's absolutly nothing wrong with that, in
> fact, it avoids flame wars. Flame wars here are rare. WEEKS go by
> without flames. Of course, sometimes people interpret ANY disagreement
> with their opinion as a flame, but let's get real.
I woke up on Wednesday morning with 26 messages in my inbox... 4 of them
from real friends and the rest full of angry RMT-A'ers telling me I
should shut the fuck up and go back to
"alt.i'm.a.loudmouthed.stuckup.brit" in one occasion. Oh yes, Usenet is a
lovely place.
I was expressing my opinion. Once that is performed (anyone wanting to
argue about the linguistics of this area should take a brief look at
Austin's Speech Act Theory and disagree with me on that level), it's
done. It's over. Then exchange of ideas take place. But I still feel I
expressed AND BACKED UP my thoughts with ample force. If someone can
point me to ONE SONG where she doesn't back up any sexual imagery with a
scoop from her lifetime's experience, I'm willing to evaluate my whole
view of her. But for the while.....
TORI'S MUSIC = SEXUALITY.
NUDITY = SEX = NOT WHAT TORI'S COMPLETLEY ABOUT
NUDITY WITHIN AN ARTISTIC CONTEXT = SEXUALITY = TORI'S MUSIC = GOOD STUFF
NUDE PIC = FAKE = A NASTY THING FOR TORI
This is what I stand by. Surely I can explain no further, Pierre. If
you've any more ambiguity left, get your ears cleaned out. And I mean
that in a nice, friendly, RMT-Aish way.
> I can see how it may have been
> : interpreted as being a condescending comment but I'm not getting on
> : his case about it. He's entitled to state his opinions.
>
> I got two things to say about that: If you share your opinions in a
> forum, then you must be prepared to receive the criticism of this opinion
> as WELL as the praise. AN opinion is not a truth, especially on moral
> issues. Secondly, I merely followed up and stated my own opinion. ANd
> you followed up with YOUR own... I really DON'T see a problem here.
People have been offended. Now prehaps that's inevitable, but it's not nice.
Mind you, the truth is often overrated.
> Hey, I
> : have given people Tori interviews to read and they get offended by
> : some of the stuff she says, esp in regards to the church but do we
> : here in rmt-a get on her case about it, fans or not, and demand an
> : explanation from her? Not that I have seen.
>
> Well, she's pretty clear in what she says, so you don't need to ask for a
> justification. Not to mention that I know of many people here who
> actually agree with her. It's part of what we love about her: the
> message and the freedom in the music. And ya know what? There's been
> posts criticising her before. If they're done tastefully, it's not a
> problem. If it's a harsh, all out troll attack, then they get the
> appropriate reply. It's rare that ANYONE is told they aren't allowed to
> express themselves.
This is not true. I remember the very first time I subscribed to this
newsgroup. My very first post was a request to know anything about the
new album. The next day I received many many angry posts saying "READ THE
FUCKING FAQ" when I didn't know what the hell a FAQ was. There are some
very wonderful things about this newsgroup and I've made some very close
friendships here (Hi Anna ;) ), and surely Greg has to be applauded. But
there's a dark side, to this, to Tori, and to me. Now I can't help being
controversial. In fact I've quite enjoyed this in a funny way cos it's
made me reevaluate a lot, but I've came to the same conclusions.
Paul stands on a hill. All around him is burning. He wipes the sweat and
muck from his face and reaches his full height. He raises his arms to the
soot black sky, clutching his copy of "Under The Pink" in one hand and
hollers.... "I AM AN INDIVIDUAL".
Sweet dreams, y'all.
Paul :)
============================================================================
"I think cement is more interesting than people think"
Pierre Becquey
: It's me again! Ha ha ha ha! Mr. Repressed and Unclear!
: (God irony is so hard to translate over IP protocol... prehaps the
: sarcasm control codes aren't recognised by American servers...)
But I'm not gonna address it all, 'cause frankly most of it doesn't
concern me and I don't give three fucks about. Just one little point.
: TORI'S MUSIC = SEXUALITY.
: NUDITY = SEX = NOT WHAT TORI'S COMPLETLEY ABOUT
: NUDITY WITHIN AN ARTISTIC CONTEXT = SEXUALITY = TORI'S MUSIC = GOOD STUFF
: NUDE PIC = FAKE = A NASTY THING FOR TORI
I'm just going to re-interate that neither Aimee or I said that
pornography was of any artistic value. We, and others, merely
interpreted your comment of "I don't think Tori would ever pose nude, she
uses her sexuality superbly, not like some cheap tart" to include all
nude posing, therefore including the artsy stuff. It did not AT ALL come
through that you did not have a problem with nudity within an artistic
context. If we can both agree on this, then the issue IS buried.
Now, I'm actually going to go a little further then intended 'cause
something's bugging me. Did you people actually mailbomb this guy and
tell him to shut the fuck up? That bothers me. A lot. I can now
understand why he's being so defensive and protective and would look upon
us, as a collective, with apprehension. For fuck's sake, if you feel
strong enough to disagree or slam someone,l why don't you do it in the
forum where it belongs instead of hiding in Email? If you don't think it
could be read here, then it's probable that you shouldn't say it at all.
I may have seemed pretty aggressive and abnormaly hot-headed within this
newsgroup, but I guess that's because I at least felt strongly enough
about what I've had to say not to have to hide it. Exactly WHAT does a
message telling anyone to go to hell accomplish?
Disagree with Paul all you fucking want, but flaming is really such a
lowly recourse, reserved for the Anguses of this world. Be loud, but
have something to SAY, dammit.
=-Pierre...although, Paul, Abby's flame of you was in response to your
attack on me, so she can't be faulted for that. She was jsut looking out
for me, right abby? ;)
Pierre Becquey
: =-Pierre...although, Paul, Abby's flame of you was in response to your
: attack on me, so she can't be faulted for that. She was jsut looking out
: for me, right abby? ;)
I just realised... that was on Fielding, not you. But you where both in
the same thread, I do believe... whichever one of you accused me of not
being able to handle thought... yea, that's it. Uh... nevermind, it's
probably not that important anyways.
=-Pierre...who's sure of HIS name at least.
--
THOMAS SHEILA MARIE
Pierre Becquey <pbec...@acs.ryerson.ca> wrote:
>Grendel The Magnificent (Paul....@durham.ac.uk) wrote:
>
We agree here, Paul.
>: NUDITY = SEX = NOT WHAT TORI'S COMPLETLEY ABOUT
I have to ask you, do you think all nudity = sex? I assume not, because
of your next statement, so I think this is where your original statements
were unclear to others. I get your point, with which I think I agree, but
it's not stated as well as it might be.
>: NUDITY WITHIN AN ARTISTIC CONTEXT = SEXUALITY = TORI'S MUSIC = GOOD STUFF
>
>: NUDE PIC = FAKE = A NASTY THING FOR TORI
>
>I'm just going to re-interate that neither Aimee or I said that
>pornography was of any artistic value. We, and others, merely
>interpreted your comment of "I don't think Tori would ever pose nude, she
>uses her sexuality superbly, not like some cheap tart" to include all
>nude posing, therefore including the artsy stuff. It did not AT ALL come
>through that you did not have a problem with nudity within an artistic
>context. If we can both agree on this, then the issue IS buried.
That's cool, Pierre. I have to say, though, that as an outsider to this
disagreement, you guys weren't entirely clear either. I originally saw
what you and Aimee were saying as an attack on people who don't like
pointless, cheap porn as having some sort of crippling social hangup.
But if that's not what you were getting at, I'm glad to know it. :>
>Now, I'm actually going to go a little further then intended 'cause
>something's bugging me. Did you people actually mailbomb this guy and
>tell him to shut the fuck up? That bothers me. A lot. I can now
>understand why he's being so defensive and protective and would look upon
>us, as a collective, with apprehension. For fuck's sake, if you feel
>strong enough to disagree or slam someone,l why don't you do it in the
>forum where it belongs instead of hiding in Email? If you don't think it
>could be read here, then it's probable that you shouldn't say it at all.
>I may have seemed pretty aggressive and abnormaly hot-headed within this
>newsgroup, but I guess that's because I at least felt strongly enough
>about what I've had to say not to have to hide it. Exactly WHAT does a
>message telling anyone to go to hell accomplish?
***I agree completely!!*** Slamming people in hateful e-mail is pretty
chicken, especially when an ng tolerates the kind of disagreement and
public-hashing-it-out that we do on so many issues. If y'all have
something to say, say it where you're subject to criticism afterward,
don't just dump on someone in e-mail and make them feel like shit.
>=-Pierre...although, Paul, Abby's flame of you was in response to your
>attack on me, so she can't be faulted for that. She was jsut looking out
>for me, right abby? ;)
Ah, relativism. It's so much fun. <VBG> Mmmwah, Pierre you cool
person. :>
Sheila/Elusis
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Don't try to out-weird me. \ "All of us have a bit of \ Push the button,
I get stranger things than you \ the vampire and a bit of \ Frank.
free with my breakfast cereal. \ the nightingale." T. Amos \ (ENTP)
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
TRIANGLE
-> Newsgroups: rec.music.tori-amos
-> Subject: Re: Tori Amos nude pic
-> Organization: Royal Melbourne Institute of Technology, Melbourne,
-> Australia. Message-ID: <4f9urr$8...@aggedor.rmit.EDU.AU>
Ok look I getting pretty tired of people talking about how innocent Tori
is...yes, she has had some traumatic experience...but then again look at
Natalie Merchant....before the 10,00 maniacs were formed she was a model
for an art class making some good cash...so never put a shadow of a
doubt on anyone
"Why do we CRUCIFY ourselves?"
-Tori Amos
Ernie
Angela Reid
: soot black sky, clutching his copy of "Under The Pink" in one hand and
: hollers.... "I AM AN INDIVIDUAL".
: )
You have a flare for drama, Paul.
I like that.
Sorry if any of my posts have added to the flames. I may have posted
something on your topic--I'm not sure. I'm deep in test anxiety these
days, and I don't know what I'm doing when I'm not around.
Angela
Grendel The Magnificent
Don't worry Angela, your posts have been supportive. But I want to let
all this sex/Tori/repression shit lie now. It's getting, frankly, boring.
Whoops!
Aimee Lortskell
: TORI'S MUSIC = SEXUALITY.
no, not all of it, although it is a frequent theme.
: NUDITY = SEX = NOT WHAT TORI'S COMPLETLEY ABOUT
how does nudity equal sex? huh? and i don't think there's any one thing
tori's completely about. but surely she's partly about sex. and i'm
still not sure what's wrong with that.
: NUDITY WITHIN AN ARTISTIC CONTEXT = SEXUALITY = TORI'S MUSIC = GOOD STUFF
what's artistic to you may be sickening to someone else. i don't see how
this can be objectively viewed. for instance, the infamous pig picture
was passed around at a recent gathering i was at. one guy thought it was
disturbing, but his mom thought it was sweet. and artistic nudity is not
always about sexuality, either.
: NUDE PIC = FAKE = A NASTY THING FOR TORI
i doubt this one affected tori any more than any of the other ones that
have been posted here. i don't think she's staying up nights worrying
about it, in any case. we all knew it was fake, no big deal except some
eye-rolling.
: This is what I stand by. Surely I can explain no further, Pierre. If
: you've any more ambiguity left, get your ears cleaned out. And I mean
: that in a nice, friendly, RMT-Aish way.
you don't really seem to mean anything in a friendly way. yes, i
understand your tone here. but it doesn't change the fact that you've
been rather nasty. you try to cover it up by moaning that we've been
mean to you when all we've done is disagree.
i attempted in some earlier posts to empathize with you. now i've come
to the conclusion that you're prolly not worth it. if you'd care to
answer one of the posts i'm referring to, i'll be glad to be on friendly
terms with you. but you don't seem to even be interested in
hearing me out and responding to what i have to say. in which case, fuck
off.
Aimee the Whore (i really need to get a bigger carrying case for this ego)
--
*--Toriphile---BAAWA!---NINnie--*
#############################################
* the blind have been blessed with security *
* - Trent Reznor *
#############################################
Grendel The Magnificent
but you don't seem to even be interested in
> hearing me out and responding to what i have to say. in which case, fuck
> off.
>
> Aimee the Whore
No, Aimee, you fuck off.
"All I need now is intellectual intercourse..."
God this is boring. This is so BORING! Pierre and I have made peace. This
is my final word on EVERYTHING. Please don't reply to this, Aimee. I
cannot be bothered. I've got better things to discuss, frankly.
Paul >:<
Aimee Lortskell
: > but you don't seem to even be interested in
: > hearing me out and responding to what i have to say. in which case, fuck
: > off.
: No, Aimee, you fuck off.
no, YOU fuck off! i said it first! nyah! in any case, at least i gave
you an option. instead of fucking off, you could have replied to either
of the kind posts i made. :P
: "All I need now is intellectual intercourse..."
how about some dialogue?
: God this is boring. This is so BORING! Pierre and I have made peace. This
: is my final word on EVERYTHING. Please don't reply to this, Aimee. I
: cannot be bothered. I've got better things to discuss, frankly.
which is why you bothered to post this at all. really, you shoulda known
better than to tempt me by telling me not to reply. it only encourages
me. and if you have better things to discuss (although my attempts to
discuss other things with you and clear this up have been ignored,
thanks), then why are you even bothering to draw this out? i hadn't
posted anything directed at you for 2 days, and i was ignoring you until now.
i think YOU shouldn't reply to THIS if you really can't be bothered.
Aimee the Whore (still in that reactance stage)
--
&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&
& and when they say, 'take of his body' &
& i think i'll take from mine instead &
& - Tori Amos &
& once i could see...now i am blind &
& - Trent Reznor &
&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&
Karen Whyte
: Ok look I getting pretty tired of people talking about how innocent Tori
: is...yes, she has had some traumatic experience...but then again look at
: Natalie Merchant....before the 10,00 maniacs were formed she was a model
: for an art class making some good cash...so never put a shadow of a
: doubt on anyone
People. Posing nude does NOT neccessarily equal sex. It's not like the
people in art classes are really thinking about sex. More than likely,
they are considering the fact that they will never make any money as an
artist. ;)
But really, it's not like posing nude is a bad thing. Someone has to! In
fact, a coworker of mine just did that. I didn't think it was all that
bad, just kinda embarrassing. (Not that I think the human body devoid of
clothing is embarrassing, just that I don't know if I could be that brave.)
And ya know what? Pierre had to say this: She's kinda cute, too.
Karen mutters: Smartass.
-=Pierre and Karen=-
--
% * % * % * % * % * % kar...@iac.net % * % * % * % * % * %
% I hear voices from the outside calling to me to %
% carry on, to keep moving, keep dreaming, keep living. %
Norman Buchwald
>Don't take this the wrong way guys, and you can completely ignore me if
>you want, but I really have trouble understanding why you are posting
>this stuff to rmta. Could we keep this personal?
>I'm not trying to give advice or piss anyone off...
>Scotty the Burnt Potato
"Wanna know something, [Scotty]? You *should* (I love it when I can
use that
word righteously) . . . "-- name withheld
Sorry, had to throw that in there. No hard feelings. :P
I'm not ready for Scott's contention yet. Ask me in a week. :)
[going back to butt out mode, myself. :) )
The Storm
Nothing's gonna stop me from floating
C. Hoon
> [going back to butt out mode, myself. :) )
or bud out mode, as pierre would call it *grin*
--Carrie
(who can't seem to get rid of this hacking cough... :( )
C. Hoon
> >--Carrie
> >(can you say trying to get the last word? i can... *grin*)
>
> No! No Clarita! *I* get the last word!
yes, maybe you do, mtb.
--Carrie
(or, maybe not :P )
THOMAS SHEILA MARIE
Scotty The Burnt Potato <hump...@river.it.gvsu.edu> wrote:
>Don't take this the wrong way guys, and you can completely ignore me if
>you want, but I really have trouble understanding why you are posting
>this stuff to rmta. Could we keep this personal?
>I'm not trying to give advice or piss anyone off...
Maybe you're not trying, Scotty, but you're gonna succeed. Sorry, bud.
rmta is pretty tolerant of lots of OTP. We'd never survive between
albums without it. If it really bothers people, MTB has suggested the
use of header codes...
Sheila/Elusis
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
+ "Your blood's on my hands/It's kind of a shame, 'cos I did like +
+ that dress" T. Amos +
+ "out of the ash i rise with my red hair & i eat men like air" Plath+
+ "Be purple, obsequious, and clairvoyant" Steve Martin +
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Andrew Onifer
said:
>Sometime in the last week or so, "C. Hoon" scrawled:
>>(can you say trying to get the last word? i can... *grin*)
>No! No Clarita! *I* get the last word!
The end.
:P
jay
& I tried to tell my life story to the rain, &
& but it just ran into the sewer... &
& Andrew J. Onifer III ---> a...@po.cwru.edu &
& http://b61725.student.cwru.edu/ &
& PGP Key on WWW page &
Midnight Tree Bandit
>> God this is boring. This is so BORING! Pierre and I have made peace. This
>> is my final word on EVERYTHING. Please don't reply to this, Aimee. I
>> cannot be bothered. I've got better things to discuss, frankly.
>hehehehe...
>if you all are so uninterested in talking, then, uh *why are you*??
Because he can.
>--Carrie
>(can you say trying to get the last word? i can... *grin*)
No! No Clarita! *I* get the last word!
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Midnight Tree Bandit
>In article <Pine.HPP.3.91.96021...@river.it.gvsu.edu>,
>Scotty The Burnt Potato <hump...@river.it.gvsu.edu> wrote:
>>Don't take this the wrong way guys, and you can completely ignore me if
>>you want, but I really have trouble understanding why you are posting
>>this stuff to rmta. Could we keep this personal?
>>I'm not trying to give advice or piss anyone off...
>Maybe you're not trying, Scotty, but you're gonna succeed. Sorry, bud.
>rmta is pretty tolerant of lots of OTP. We'd never survive between
>albums without it. If it really bothers people, MTB has suggested the
>use of header codes...
That must be my cue. I've decided to repost the Survival Guide about every
two weeks, whether it has new material or not. Especially because it has the
suggested guide to the subject type codes in it.
The Survival Guide is also available on the rmt-a Website maintained by Peter
Caira (http://supernova.uwindsor.ca/staff/caira/rmta.html).
The rec.music.tori-amos Survival Guide
by Midnight Tree Bandit
v0.40
Disclaimer: This is by no means complete, and I guarantee only that I am
posting it this time. The future of TRMT-ASG depends on my mood and whether I
feel like extending it. This is also not to be considered definitive, only
the observations of one of the many members of rmt-a. Anyone is welcome to
make comments and contributions, but be forewarned that I may pay no attention
to them whatsoever (at least until I get bored one day and decide to release
version 0.41 or whatever it will be). But if you have nothing better to do,
send them to MTB (posting on the newsgroup is chancy, since my reader is not
catching everything at the moment). All comments to the negative are to be
directed to NUL.
History: In December 1994, a couple of things happened in the strange world
of rec.music.tori-amos. First, Tori Amos's world tour ended, so discussion of
the shows here there and everywhere else trickled down to one or two threads,
and the next CD was still quite a ways down the road. The second thing that
happened was an influx of devoted Toriphiles who also had a, shall we say,
unusual bend to their minds (names witheld to protect the guilty).
The result of this is that the conversation turned from being related mainly
to the tour and just Tori to Tori and ourselves, with frequent injections of
what can only be defined as "inanity". New words have popped up and become
essential to the communication here. Official drinks have been (more or less)
chosen, as well as foods and other things. Such things may be confusing and
cliqish to the uninitiated. We certainly, however, do not wish to exclude
anyone with the heavy use of what would pass as inside jokes.
So what follows is a brief survival guide for the new rmt-a member who wishes
to be able to dive in and join the fun. Now that the new album (Boys for
Pele, if you've been asleep) is out, we can expect more and more of the
bewildered (or simply confused) masses to join us here in rmt-a, all wondering
"what in the HELL are they talking about? This Guide is also available on The
Official rmt-a Web Page (http://supernova.uwindsor.ca/staff/caira/rmta.html).
It should be mentioned at this point that we here at rmt-a are a freewheeling
bunch who are not at all offended by "off-topic posts" -- the name of the
newsgroup is really more only a suggested topic than it is the required topic.
The theory behind this is that we are all Toriphiles (except for the
occasional invader from the Land of the Trolls), and as such, it is not
necessary for us to talk exclusively of our revered redhead to belong here.
It's an opportunity to get to know each other beyond the simple sharing of
knowledge about Tori and comparing collections. So if you have something to
share, even if it's not directly Tori related, please feel free to dive in.
There are a few who may think this is wrong and nothing but random inanity,
but it is what has made rmt-a (in my opinion, at least) one of the best
newgroups dedicated to a single subject. However, please remember that Tori
Amos is the subject, so it's encouraged that we at least THINK about Tori
while posting. :)
Without further ado...
I. People, Objects, and Deities
The Great Internet God(dess) [GIG] -- The origin of the GIG is unknown, and
hisser presence on the Internet has only rarely been made known. However, we
have reason to beleive that this deity of indeterminate gender pays special
attention to rmt-a and its members. There is also reason to believe, but no
evidence to support, that the GIG is a close friend of Eris, the Goddess of
Discordianism.
Chivas -- The unofficial alcoholic beverage of rmt-a. Unofficial for the
benefit of those here who do not drink or are not of drinking age.
Unfortunately, attempts to send Chivas through the 'net to other rmt-a members
have the tendency to be lost in transit (see below).
Mailer Daemons -- Small imps who hang out on the Internet. Supposedly they
are to see to the delivery of mail and messages, but it has been found that
thay have a fondness for Chivas, frequently stealing bottles being sent via
email between rmt-a members. They then proceed to get drunk and make a hash
of the mail, causing some to bounce back to the sender. When there's no
Chivas around, they tend to hit the sace pretty hard.
Hot Chocolate -- The Official Drink of rmt-a. It is all but required that a
steaming mug be beside your keyboard as you peruse rmt-a. This became the
Official Drink when a user related the story of waiting outside an arena for
Tori, getting quite cold at the time. She poked her head out and suggested
they go home and get some Hot Chocolate (after autographing their stuff for
them). For the Lactose Intolerant, a number of alternates have been
suggested, though Hi-C seems the most appropriate, since it has the same holy
initials. Besides drinking, the Hot Chocolate is there to be spilled (or
spat) on your keyboard when someone says something particularly amusing,
shocking, or provocative.
Food -- No Official rmt-a food has been chosen yet, but many suggestions have
been made. Scrambled eggs with cheese, tater tots, and Raviloi are front
runners. Cornflakes are NOT appropriate, because Tori has made it clear that
she is NOT a cornflake girl, so this could be considered an insult to her.
Lately there has been a spate of smaes making the rounds.
Gelflings -- These are the creatures in The Dark Crystal, little elfin beings.
It was suddenly discovered that not only is Tori possibly a Gelfling, but
several members of rmt-a are.
Go me dance -- That little jig one must dance when they have done something
really cool. Similar to the cabbage patch dance football players do on
touchdowns.
the rec.music.tori-amos Person Of The Week (POTW) -- someone singled out to
get an embarrassing amount of attention for a week. It was started pretty
much by accident, and still carries on. Any former POTW may chose the next
week's POTW, for any reason (or no reason). It does not matter. What matters
is that the first person named as POTW for a given week is the POTW for that
week. All later nominations lose by virtue of being slow. There hasn't been
a new POTW in quite a while, due to the primary instigators passing the
responsibility on to the rest of the gang. However the practice has been
sporadically resurrected when deemed really necessary.
books -- Though many books have been discussed, it would appear that two books
(or rather, one book, one misnamed trilogy) that are generally hld in highest
regard are Douglas Adams's Hitch-Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy series and
Heinlein's Stranger in a Strange Land. While not required reading, knowing
them seems to help one know the average rmt-a member. As well as one could
get to know an rmt-a member, that is.
II.Words
No one is a perfect typist, the Author of this document being a prime example.
While it is not nice to make fun of bad spelling, accidental typos are not
really bad spelling, more like accidents, so they are fair game. A few of
these typos have managed to enter the standard jargon of many rmt-a regulars,
with special meanings of their own. As a rule, definitions of these words are
to be determinedby either the person who committed the typo (first choice) or
the first person to catch it (second choice). Failing those, it's an open
market. This is not a complete list, as I am relying on my somewhat faulty
memory. Some are not used as much as they used to, and others have never
died.
feelongs -- A strong, longing feeling, such as that felt for the rarer Tori
singles.
fetsih -- A craving that generally goes unfulfilled. For instance, meeting
Tori personally is definitely a fetsih for most of us.
furrfu -- A noise of exasperation used frequently in response to
exasperatingly cryptic situations.
garburblesnickden -- First heard on a video recording of Tori on Leno's show,
just before the VCR ate the tape (towards the . This has been translated from
the original Gelfling tongue to mean, roughly, "get a new VCR, you moron."
higs -- This is perhaps the most important of the rmt-a vocabulary. A "hig"
is defined as "a fluffy hug". Higs are to be applied liberally to those
rmt-aers who are feeling down, feeling good, or just plain like higs. In
short, everyone.
mucrowave -- What smaes are cooked in. Also used by Discordians for preparing
ceremonial foods. It is, of course, large enough to support five of whatever
is being cooked.
owndering -- That feeling you get when you see something familiar and ask
"Hey, isn't that mine?"
peole -- A monetary unit, allegedly of Albania. Three peole are a cowd.
praty -- A gathering of many people, characterized by chaos, Chivas, and many
geks of bree (and a little vokda). Mailer daemons have been known throw a
couple of these as well.
singified -- What's happened when you have given in to the urge to sing along
with the CD/tape/radio, no matter how public the place.
smae -- A delicacy which is especially good when barbecued. Ingrdients vary,
from penguin to beef to vegetarian. No beefalo, though. Each rmt-a member
makes a unique flavor. Not sure why, they just turn out that way.
voich -- To advocate very strongly.
III. thread Marks
Over on alt.fan.pratchett they mark (or try to remember to, anyway) threads
with simple one-letter notations, enclosed in asterisks. This seems to work
pretty well over there, and they are about as busy as rmt-a is. The idea is
to place the notation at the beginning of the title. Remark old threads if
you feel it appropriate, but more importantly, try to mark new threads. When
a thread changes from *R* to *I*, it's perfectly acceptable to change the
notation, and in fact is encouraged.
These are in two groups. The first is the main set, and the second is for
those who want to be more specific. There was a third set (I wanted to use
every letter of the alphabet), but thought it prudent to leave it out. Email
me if you really want to see it.
First, basics...<BR>
*R* -- General torelevant post, about the albums or whatever<BR>
*I* -- Irrelevant, non-Torelevant<BR>
*A* -- Announcements (reserved for Richard & Missy and AtlanticOL and
Greghewritesletters)<BR>
*F* -- FAQ postings (for Greghewritesletters and the guy starting the
discography, and the Survival Guide when I get around to posting it)
Second, specialized...<BR>
*G* -- Fan activity, gatherings, and so forth.<BR>
*B* -- BfP discussion<BR>
*T* -- Talking about the tour (concert reviews, etc.)<BR>
*D* -- Tori dream <BR>
*N* -- General natter about nothing in particular<BR>
*O* -- Poll question
Midnight Tree Bandit
>On Sun, 18 Feb 1996, Midnight Tree Bandit wrote:
>> No! No Clarita! *I* get the last word!
>yes, maybe you do, mtb.
>--Carrie
>(or, maybe not :P )
Do too!
-=><=-
Scotty The Burnt Potato
I just can't quite find a way into this clique... <ahhh, am I whining,
someone poke out my eyes and cut off my tongue>
Scotty the Burnt Potato
Wildfire
: --Carrie
: (who can't seem to get rid of this hacking cough... :( )
S'okay, you're still cute even with a cough =-)
Wildfire :-)
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C. Hoon
> >> No! No Clarita! *I* get the last word!
>
> >yes, maybe you do, mtb.
>
> >--Carrie
> >(or, maybe not :P )
>
> Do too!
i am above this petty little game of yours mtb :P
--Carrie
(hehe :) )
Remington Stone
Well, I'm not. I like games. Wots da rules?
-Remington
Gods in Dungeness don't come through?
-Not Quite Tori
Midnight Tree Bandit
>On Tue, 20 Feb 1996, Midnight Tree Bandit wrote:
>> >> No! No Clarita! *I* get the last word!
>> >yes, maybe you do, mtb.
>> >--Carrie
>> >(or, maybe not :P )
>> Do too!
>i am above this petty little game of yours mtb :P
Sure you are, Clarita. Suuure you are. Coulda fooled me.