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Kevin Collins

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May 8, 2008, 6:56:51 PM5/8/08
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Is there an elegant, one- or two-word term for the characteristic of a
single melodic line to imply two distinct lines, a la Bach, Charlie
Parker, or countless other Western musicians, or the practice of
creating such a line?

Someone I spoke with once used "triangulation", which sure sounded
neat but I haven't since seen any support for the use of the term.
Such lines do often tend to have either convergent or divergent
aspects to them, so in a sense I guess a kind of triangle-shape is
hinted at, but "triangulation" is a term of indirect measurement in
geometry, isn't it?

I just figured since I do it it would be handy to have a simpler label
for it than my admittedly clumsy description of it, and my research
efforts have netted me bupkis.

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Tom K.

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May 8, 2008, 7:48:05 PM5/8/08
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"Kevin Collins" <kevin...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Is there an elegant, one- or two-word term for the characteristic of a
> single melodic line to imply two distinct lines, a la Bach, Charlie
> Parker, or countless other Western musicians, or the practice of
> creating such a line?
>
> Someone I spoke with once used "triangulation", which sure sounded
> neat but I haven't since seen any support for the use of the term.
> Such lines do often tend to have either convergent or divergent
> aspects to them, so in a sense I guess a kind of triangle-shape is
> hinted at, but "triangulation" is a term of indirect measurement in
> geometry, isn't it?
>
> I just figured since I do it it would be handy to have a simpler label
> for it than my admittedly clumsy description of it, and my research
> efforts have netted me bupkis.
>

Compound melody.

Tom K.


Steve Latham

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May 8, 2008, 10:09:33 PM5/8/08
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"Kevin Collins" <kevin...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Is there an elegant, one- or two-word term for the characteristic of a
> single melodic line to imply two distinct lines, a la Bach, Charlie
> Parker, or countless other Western musicians, or the practice of
> creating such a line?

Compound Melody +1

Steve


Danny Schorr

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May 8, 2008, 10:28:14 PM5/8/08
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On Fri, 09 May 2008 02:09:33 GMT, "Steve Latham" <lla...@verizon.net>
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Is that true? I have never qualifiers such as +1.

I guess Bach's prelude in E major from the third partita would be +2,
since it suggest three separate strands?
1 ( melody) + 2 ... what? Threads?
Seems unnecessarily terminological to me.
Compound melody seems to be enough to denote what's going on.

Danny

LJS

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May 8, 2008, 11:58:05 PM5/8/08
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On May 8, 9:09 pm, "Steve Latham" <llat...@verizon.net> wrote:
> "Kevin Collins" <kevinat...@gmail.com> wrote in message

No, but there is one. I have also heard it in reference to some
Classical Arabic music while I lived in Morocco. I just can't think of
it now.
LJS

Steve Latham

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May 9, 2008, 12:32:13 PM5/9/08
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"Danny Schorr" <.@.> wrote in message
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>
> Is that true? I have never qualifiers such as +1.
>
> I guess Bach's prelude in E major from the third partita would be +2,
> since it suggest three separate strands?
> 1 ( melody) + 2 ... what? Threads?
> Seems unnecessarily terminological to me.
> Compound melody seems to be enough to denote what's going on.
>
> Danny

"+1" is net speak for "that's another vote for..." - compound melody in this
case.

Steve


Steve Latham

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May 9, 2008, 12:33:03 PM5/9/08
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"LJS" <ljsc...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Yes, the term is Compound Melody.


Danny Schorr

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May 9, 2008, 12:35:54 PM5/9/08
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On Fri, 09 May 2008 16:32:13 GMT, "Steve Latham" <lla...@verizon.net>
wrote:

>

>> Danny


>
>"+1" is net speak for "that's another vote for..." - compound melody in this
>case.
>
>Steve
>

Gotcha...
D.

Tom K.

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May 9, 2008, 3:24:51 PM5/9/08
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"Steve Latham" <lla...@verizon.net> wrote in message
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Steve, from what I've observed, the confusion might have been avoided by
quoting the post which said "compound melody" and then simply saying +1 in
your post.

But then again, this is RMT & without some "confusement" (Prof. Longhair's
wonderful term), where would we be?
Tom K.


Danny Schorr

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May 9, 2008, 3:35:00 PM5/9/08
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On Fri, 9 May 2008 15:24:51 -0400, "Tom K." <tko...@spamspamcomcast.net>
wrote:


I didn't grok that he was "upmodding" your post.
Ok - so, Reddit style comments have made their way to RMT.
Ain't no big deal.
<yawn>
Carry on.

D.

Alain Naigeon

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May 9, 2008, 3:48:20 PM5/9/08
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"Tom K." <tko...@spamspamcomcast.net> a écrit dans le message de news:
2I2dnZw6vdPNObnV...@comcast.com...

>
> "Steve Latham" <lla...@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:h0%Uj.1720$5Y1.120@trnddc04...
>>
>> "Danny Schorr" <.@.> wrote in message
>> news:kbd7241s8dkq2u92v...@4ax.com...
>>
>>>
>>> Is that true? I have never qualifiers such as +1.
>>>
>>> I guess Bach's prelude in E major from the third partita would be +2,
>>> since it suggest three separate strands?
>>> 1 ( melody) + 2 ... what? Threads?
>>> Seems unnecessarily terminological to me.
>>> Compound melody seems to be enough to denote what's going on.
>>>
>>> Danny
>>
>> "+1" is net speak for "that's another vote for..." - compound melody in
>> this case.
>>
>
> Steve, from what I've observed, the confusion might have been avoided by
> quoting the post which said "compound melody" and then simply saying +1 in
> your post.

+1 [ !! :-) ]

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Danny Schorr

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May 9, 2008, 4:58:29 PM5/9/08
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On Fri, 9 May 2008 21:48:20 +0200, "Alain Naigeon" <anai...@free.fr>
wrote:

>"Tom K." <tko...@spamspamcomcast.net> a écrit dans le message de news:
>2I2dnZw6vdPNObnV...@comcast.com...
>>
>> "Steve Latham" <lla...@verizon.net> wrote in message
>> news:h0%Uj.1720$5Y1.120@trnddc04...
>>>
>>> "Danny Schorr" <.@.> wrote in message
>>> news:kbd7241s8dkq2u92v...@4ax.com...
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Is that true? I have never qualifiers such as +1.
>>>>
>>>> I guess Bach's prelude in E major from the third partita would be +2,
>>>> since it suggest three separate strands?
>>>> 1 ( melody) + 2 ... what? Threads?
>>>> Seems unnecessarily terminological to me.
>>>> Compound melody seems to be enough to denote what's going on.
>>>>
>>>> Danny
>>>
>>> "+1" is net speak for "that's another vote for..." - compound melody in
>>> this case.
>>>
>>
>> Steve, from what I've observed, the confusion might have been avoided by
>> quoting the post which said "compound melody" and then simply saying +1 in
>> your post.
>
>+1 [ !! :-) ]

-1

Kevin Collins

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May 10, 2008, 11:09:54 AM5/10/08
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On May 9, 3:24 pm, "Tom K." <tkor...@spamspamcomcast.net> wrote:
> "Steve Latham" <llat...@verizon.net> wrote in message

So the proper term is "Compound Melody For the Win LOL", then. The
internet comes through for me again!

-Kevin

Steve Latham

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May 10, 2008, 1:55:15 PM5/10/08
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"Danny Schorr" <.@.> wrote in message
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>
> -1
>

Damn, you beat me to it.

Steve


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