'Oldest musical instrument' found
SleepyHead
Hans Aberg
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/8117915.stm
And the funny thing is that it sounds just as Western music when played.
Hans
Joey Goldstein
Is that true?
Have they figured out what scale it was tuned to?
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Jon Slaughter
"Hans Aberg" <haberg_...@math.su.se> wrote in message
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More evidence that the OT series is real?
Although of course it will sound western if a western person plays it?
Hans Aberg
>>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/8117915.stm
>>
>> And the funny thing is that it sounds just as Western music when played.
> Is that true?
It was a joke :-). There is a "reconstruction" performance on that page.
> Have they figured out what scale it was tuned to?
It can be hard, because even if they find a complete pipe with holes,
pitches can be bent. And the picture suggests they only found a part of
a pipe.
On a Bulgarian kaval, all articulation takes place by fingering. By
lifting the finger partially, many intermediate pitches to the closed
hole pitches can be produced.
Hans
Hans Aberg
>>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/8117915.stm
>> And the funny thing is that it sounds just as Western music when played.
> More evidence that the OT series is real?
What do you mean by this? Pitched instruments usually need to have at
least a few of the lowest partials in order to sound pitched, especially
when the fundamental is suppressed (as on timpani). - The exception is
that pure sine wave but that does not appear naturally.
The OTS theory says that these are necessary for producing scales,
specifically the Western system, sometimes even E12. But that is mostly
useful for producing harmonic convergence. CPP imposes the condition
that harmony should be resolved through harmonic convergence.
But when playing pipes, harmony is not very important. There are some
regional flutes, with tunings that are hard to explain from the point of
OTS theory.
> Although of course it will sound western if a western person plays it?
Yes, that is what I joked about. :-)
Hans
SleepyHead
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/8117915.stm
The article referred to on the BBC is here:
http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/vaop/ncurrent/full/nature08169.html
... but you won't get to read it unless you've a subscription to
Nature.
Is the OTS real?
If it isn't there are a great many sound engineers who have been using
an entirely imaginary phenomenon as part of their working lives.
Danny Schorr
<simonh...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>Is the OTS real?
>
>If it isn't there are a great many sound engineers who have been using
>an entirely imaginary phenomenon as part of their working lives.
I caught OP's quote, too. The great debate isn't whether or not the OTS is
real - of course it is- but rather how much influence it played in the
development of music. ( I know you know this, SH - just pointing out the
obvious).
Danny
LJS
> On Fri, 26 Jun 2009 07:04:26 -0700 (PDT), SleepyHead
>
> >Is the OTS real?
>
> >If it isn't there are a great many sound engineers who have been using
> >an entirely imaginary phenomenon as part of their working lives.
>
> I caught OP's quote, too. The great debate isn't whether or not the OTS is
> real - of course it is- but rather how much influence it played in the
> development of music. ( I know you know this, SH - just pointing out the
> obvious).
>
> Danny
lol
As I remember, that was not so obvious by some of the posters to the
original discussion!
LJS
btw- Hello to all from Croatia.