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LOS ANGELES (AP) - Tony Martin, the romantic singer who appeared in
movie musicals from the 1930s to the 1950s and sustained a career in
records, television and nightclubs from the Depression era into the
21st century, has died. He was 98.
Martin died of natural causes Friday evening at his West Los Angeles
home, his friend and accountant Beverly Scott said Monday.
A peer of Bing Crosby and Frank Sinatra, Martin sang full voice in a
warm baritone that carried special appeal for his female audience.
Among his hit recordings were "I Get Ideas," ''To Each His Own,"
''Begin the Beguine" and "There's No Tomorrow."
"He's the ultimate crooner who outlasted all is contemporaries,"
musician and longtime friend Gabriel Guerrero said from his Oregon
home. Martin recently sang to Guerrero over the telephone.
"He has truly remained the butterscotch baritone until he was 98,"
Guerrero added.
Although he never became a full-fledged movie star, he was featured
in
25 films, most of them made during the heyday of the Hollywood
musicals. A husky 6 feet tall and dashingly handsome, he was often
cast as the romantic lead.
He also married two movie musical superstars, Alice Faye and Cyd
Charisse, and the latter union lasted 60 years, until her death in
2008.
Martin found his escape through music while growing up in San
Francisco and Oakland amid a poor, close-knit Russian Jewish family,
enduring taunts and slights from gentile classmates.
"I always sang," he wrote. "I always played some instrument or other,
real or imagined. ... At first, of course, my music was just for my
own fun. I didn't recognize it right away as my passport away from
poverty."
Performing on radio led to his break into the film business. His
first
singing role came in the 1936 "Sing Baby Sing," which starred future
wife Faye and introduced the Ritz Brothers to the screen as a more
frenetic version of the Marx Brothers.
As a contract player at Twentieth Century-Fox, Martin also appeared
in
"Pigskin Parade" (featuring young Judy Garland), "Banjo on My Knee"
(Barbara Stanwyck, Joel McCrea) "Sing and Be Happy," ''You Can't Have
Everything" (Faye, Don Ameche) "Ali Baba Goes to Town" (comedian
Eddie
Cantor) and "Sally, Irene and Mary."
In 1940 he shifted to MGM and sang in such films as "The Ziegfeld
Girl" (James Stewart, Lana Turner, Judy Garland), "The Big
Store" (the
Marx Brothers), "Till the Clouds Roll By," ''Easy to Love" (Esther
Williams) and "Deep in My Heart."
In 1948, he produced and starred in "Casbah," a well-received film
musical version of "Algiers" with a fine score by Harold Arlen and
Leo
Robin. He made singing tours of Europe and had a yearly contract at
London's Palladium.
Martin had fallen in love with Faye while at Fox, where she was one
of
the studio's biggest stars. Married in 1937, the newlyweds were
considered one of Hollywood's handsomest couples. But the marriage
eroded because of career conflicts and his distaste for becoming
known
as Mr. Alice Faye. They divorced after two years.
Martin met Charisse, then a rising dance star at MGM, when they were
dinner partners at a party given by their mutual agent. Just returned
from the war, Martin was busy greeting old friends and paid her
little
attention.
They didn't meet until a year later, when the persistent agent
arranged another date. This time they clicked, and they married in
1948. She had a son Nicky, born of her first marriage to dance
director Nico Charisse. She gave birth to Tony Jr. in 1950.
Charisse became a star at MGM during the 1950s, dancing with Fred
Astaire in "The Band Wagon" and "Silk Stockings" and Gene Kelly in
"Singin' in the Rain" and "Brigadoon."
In later years, Martin and Charisee put out a 1976 double
autobiography, "The Two of Us," and often toured in a singing and
dancing shows. He continued appearances into his 90s, his voice only
slightly tarnished by time.
"His voice is more or less intact," a New York Times critic wrote
when
he appeared at a New York club in early 2008. "Time has certainly
taken its toll. He no longer belts. ... But the essential Tony Martin
sound was still discernible."
Martin was born Dec. 25, 1913. His parents divorced when he was an
infant.
"I was a Christmas present in a family that didn't believe in
Christmas," Martin wrote. "The name they gave me when I was born on
Christmas Day, 1913, was Alvin Morris. Tony Martin wasn't born for a
long time after that."
He attended St. Mary's College of California, where he and other
students formed a popular jazz combo, The Five Red Peppers. After
college, he formed Al Morris and His Orchestra, and played in San
Francisco nightclubs like the Chez Paree, often appearing on
late-night national radio.
MGM chief Louis B. Mayer heard the bandleader sing "Poor Butterfly"
on
radio and ordered a screen test. It was a failure, but an agent
landed
Morris a contract at RKO, where he got a new name. He had enjoyed the
music of Freddie Martin at the Coconut Grove, so he borrowed the
name.
"Tony" came from a magazine story.
His career at RKO was notable for a one-line bit in the 1936 "Follow
the Fleet," which starred Astaire and Ginger Rogers. He had better
luck at Fox, but nightclubbing every night with a succession of film
beauties detracted from his work.
"I was so busy having fun that I didn't even learn my lines," he
admitted in 1955. "I muffed a wonderful chance, and that was the end
of me for a while."
World War II brought the one big scandal in his life. He enlisted in
the Navy in 1941 and was given a specialist ranking. A year later, a
Navy officer who facilitated Martin's enlistment was court-martialed,
accused of accepting a $950 automobile from him. The singer was not
charged but was dismissed from the Navy for unfitness. He asked his
draft board for immediate induction into the Army and served three
years in Asia.
The scandal lingered over Martin's head after the war, but he managed
to rebuild his career with radio, films, personal appearances and
records.
He is survived by stepson Nico Charisse.
Hillside Memorial Park in Culver City was handling funeral
arrangements.
Ray Arthur
movie musicals from the 1930s to the 1950s and sustained a career in
records, television and nightclubs from the Depression era into the
21st century, has died. He was 98.
Martin died of natural causes Friday evening at his West Los Angeles
home, his friend and accountant Beverly Scott said Monday.
A peer of Bing Crosby and Frank Sinatra, Martin sang full voice in a
warm baritone that carried special appeal for his female audience.
Among his hit recordings were "I Get Ideas," ''To Each His Own,"
''Begin the Beguine" and "There's No Tomorrow."
"He's the ultimate crooner who outlasted all is contemporaries,"
musician and longtime friend Gabriel Guerrero said from his Oregon
home. Martin recently sang to Guerrero over the telephone.
"He has truly remained the butterscotch baritone until he was 98,"
Guerrero added.
Although he never became a full-fledged movie star, he was featured
in
25 films, most of them made during the heyday of the Hollywood
musicals. A husky 6 feet tall and dashingly handsome, he was often
cast as the romantic lead.
He also married two movie musical superstars, Alice Faye and Cyd
Charisse, and the latter union lasted 60 years, until her death in
2008.
Martin found his escape through music while growing up in San
Francisco and Oakland amid a poor, close-knit Russian Jewish family,
enduring taunts and slights from gentile classmates.
"I always sang," he wrote. "I always played some instrument or other,
real or imagined. ... At first, of course, my music was just for my
own fun. I didn't recognize it right away as my passport away from
poverty."
Performing on radio led to his break into the film business. His
first
singing role came in the 1936 "Sing Baby Sing," which starred future
wife Faye and introduced the Ritz Brothers to the screen as a more
frenetic version of the Marx Brothers.
As a contract player at Twentieth Century-Fox, Martin also appeared
in
"Pigskin Parade" (featuring young Judy Garland), "Banjo on My Knee"
(Barbara Stanwyck, Joel McCrea) "Sing and Be Happy," ''You Can't Have
Everything" (Faye, Don Ameche) "Ali Baba Goes to Town" (comedian
Eddie
Cantor) and "Sally, Irene and Mary."
In 1940 he shifted to MGM and sang in such films as "The Ziegfeld
Girl" (James Stewart, Lana Turner, Judy Garland), "The Big
Store" (the
Marx Brothers), "Till the Clouds Roll By," ''Easy to Love" (Esther
Williams) and "Deep in My Heart."
In 1948, he produced and starred in "Casbah," a well-received film
musical version of "Algiers" with a fine score by Harold Arlen and
Leo
Robin. He made singing tours of Europe and had a yearly contract at
London's Palladium.
Martin had fallen in love with Faye while at Fox, where she was one
of
the studio's biggest stars. Married in 1937, the newlyweds were
considered one of Hollywood's handsomest couples. But the marriage
eroded because of career conflicts and his distaste for becoming
known
as Mr. Alice Faye. They divorced after two years.
Martin met Charisse, then a rising dance star at MGM, when they were
dinner partners at a party given by their mutual agent. Just returned
from the war, Martin was busy greeting old friends and paid her
little
attention.
They didn't meet until a year later, when the persistent agent
arranged another date. This time they clicked, and they married in
1948. She had a son Nicky, born of her first marriage to dance
director Nico Charisse. She gave birth to Tony Jr. in 1950.
Charisse became a star at MGM during the 1950s, dancing with Fred
Astaire in "The Band Wagon" and "Silk Stockings" and Gene Kelly in
"Singin' in the Rain" and "Brigadoon."
In later years, Martin and Charisee put out a 1976 double
autobiography, "The Two of Us," and often toured in a singing and
dancing shows. He continued appearances into his 90s, his voice only
slightly tarnished by time.
"His voice is more or less intact," a New York Times critic wrote
when
he appeared at a New York club in early 2008. "Time has certainly
taken its toll. He no longer belts. ... But the essential Tony Martin
sound was still discernible."
Martin was born Dec. 25, 1913. His parents divorced when he was an
infant.
"I was a Christmas present in a family that didn't believe in
Christmas," Martin wrote. "The name they gave me when I was born on
Christmas Day, 1913, was Alvin Morris. Tony Martin wasn't born for a
long time after that."
He attended St. Mary's College of California, where he and other
students formed a popular jazz combo, The Five Red Peppers. After
college, he formed Al Morris and His Orchestra, and played in San
Francisco nightclubs like the Chez Paree, often appearing on
late-night national radio.
MGM chief Louis B. Mayer heard the bandleader sing "Poor Butterfly"
on
radio and ordered a screen test. It was a failure, but an agent
landed
Morris a contract at RKO, where he got a new name. He had enjoyed the
music of Freddie Martin at the Coconut Grove, so he borrowed the
name.
"Tony" came from a magazine story.
His career at RKO was notable for a one-line bit in the 1936 "Follow
the Fleet," which starred Astaire and Ginger Rogers. He had better
luck at Fox, but nightclubbing every night with a succession of film
beauties detracted from his work.
"I was so busy having fun that I didn't even learn my lines," he
admitted in 1955. "I muffed a wonderful chance, and that was the end
of me for a while."
World War II brought the one big scandal in his life. He enlisted in
the Navy in 1941 and was given a specialist ranking. A year later, a
Navy officer who facilitated Martin's enlistment was court-martialed,
accused of accepting a $950 automobile from him. The singer was not
charged but was dismissed from the Navy for unfitness. He asked his
draft board for immediate induction into the Army and served three
years in Asia.
The scandal lingered over Martin's head after the war, but he managed
to rebuild his career with radio, films, personal appearances and
records.
He is survived by stepson Nico Charisse.
Hillside Memorial Park in Culver City was handling funeral
arrangements.
Ray Arthur
Dean F.
Jul 30, 2012, 8:49:48 PM7/30/12
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Meanwhile, Abe Vigoda remains alive! Go figure.
Sharx35
Jul 30, 2012, 11:26:42 PM7/30/12
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Tony was a 100 times a better singer than whack jobs like LIttle
Whacker, the howling whatzit, wynoonie etc..
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Whacker, the howling whatzit, wynoonie etc..
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Roger Ford
Jul 31, 2012, 10:03:16 AM7/31/12
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On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 17:49:48 -0700 (PDT), "Dean F."
<soule...@gmail.com> wrote:
>Meanwhile, Abe Vigoda remains alive! Go figure.
The traitor Tessio in "The Godfather" right?
<soule...@gmail.com> wrote:
>Meanwhile, Abe Vigoda remains alive! Go figure.
>
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Jul 31, 2012, 10:23:34 AM7/31/12
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In article <5017e53d...@news.virginmedia.com>, Roger Ford
the Tessio role into enduring fame as Sgt. Fish on the excellent
cop-comedy "Barney Miller." (Excellent by sitcom standards means I used
to watch it regularly.) Vigoda was erroneously reported dead twice
which I assume explains Dean's comment. (I mean, who doesn't like Abe
Vigoda?)
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<mari...@bblueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
> On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 17:49:48 -0700 (PDT), "Dean F."
> <soule...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >Meanwhile, Abe Vigoda remains alive! Go figure.
>
> The traitor Tessio in "The Godfather" right?
That's the guy, if your rhetorical question needs an answer. He rode
> On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 17:49:48 -0700 (PDT), "Dean F."
> <soule...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >Meanwhile, Abe Vigoda remains alive! Go figure.
>
> The traitor Tessio in "The Godfather" right?
the Tessio role into enduring fame as Sgt. Fish on the excellent
cop-comedy "Barney Miller." (Excellent by sitcom standards means I used
to watch it regularly.) Vigoda was erroneously reported dead twice
which I assume explains Dean's comment. (I mean, who doesn't like Abe
Vigoda?)
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Jul 31, 2012, 1:34:48 PM7/31/12
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mini-series "Witness To The Mob" (that also had Frankie Valli in it)
that related the rise (and fall) of "The Teflon Don" John Gotti
Steve Mc
Jul 31, 2012, 8:51:23 PM7/31/12
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was jumping fences to aprehend a prep. No visual, just him describing it.
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Dean F.
Jul 31, 2012, 10:27:22 PM7/31/12
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On Jul 31, 10:23 am, Mark Dintenfass <mdintenf...@xxnew.rr.com> wrote:
> He rode
> the Tessio role into enduring fame as Sgt. Fish on the excellent
> cop-comedy "Barney Miller." (Excellent by sitcom standards means I used
> to watch it regularly.) Vigoda was erroneously reported dead twice
> which I assume explains Dean's comment. (I mean, who doesn't like Abe
> Vigoda?)
One of my favorite "Barney Miller" moments:
> He rode
> the Tessio role into enduring fame as Sgt. Fish on the excellent
> cop-comedy "Barney Miller." (Excellent by sitcom standards means I used
> to watch it regularly.) Vigoda was erroneously reported dead twice
> which I assume explains Dean's comment. (I mean, who doesn't like Abe
> Vigoda?)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhl6fO5jxfQ
The Bloomfield Bloviator
Jul 31, 2012, 10:39:18 PM7/31/12
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they became that way accidentally.
BobbyM
Jul 31, 2012, 10:46:54 PM7/31/12
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street corner demeaning a drug user.
Dean F.
Jul 31, 2012, 10:56:37 PM7/31/12
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On Jul 31, 10:46 pm, BobbyM <masseybNOS...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Probably the best skit that Richard Pryor did was as a wino on the
> street corner demeaning a drug user.
Not to mention when he imitated a pimp on coke!
> Probably the best skit that Richard Pryor did was as a wino on the
> street corner demeaning a drug user.
Dean F.
Jul 31, 2012, 10:56:01 PM7/31/12
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On Jul 31, 10:39 pm, The Bloomfield Bloviator <Savo...@aol.com> wrote:
> I hate humor that's based on people being drunk or stoned, even if
> they became that way accidentally.
Who gives a fuck *what* you hate?
> I hate humor that's based on people being drunk or stoned, even if
> they became that way accidentally.
The Bloomfield Bloviator
Jul 31, 2012, 11:26:44 PM7/31/12
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Barney Miller moments is.
Diane and I were discussing this recently. Neither of us can
understand why people think it's funny when some no talent boob like
Foster Brooks pretends to be drunk. Or when somebody pretends to be
stoned.
Wasn't your father a drinker? Why would you think it's funny to see
someone pretending to be under the influence of something?
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BobbyM
Jul 31, 2012, 11:37:56 PM7/31/12
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would not have worked as well if Johnny Bond had delivered that song in
his normal voice.
The Bloomfield Bloviator
Aug 1, 2012, 12:19:45 AM8/1/12
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Bob Roman
Aug 1, 2012, 12:22:22 AM8/1/12
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On Jul 31, 11:37 pm, BobbyM <masseybNOS...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On 01-Aug-12 12:26 PM, The Bloomfield Bloviator wrote:
> > Neither of us can
> > understand why people think it's funny when some no talent boob like
> > Foster Brooks pretends to be drunk.
>
> On 01-Aug-12 12:26 PM, The Bloomfield Bloviator wrote:
> > Neither of us can
> > understand why people think it's funny when some no talent boob like
> > Foster Brooks pretends to be drunk.
>
> I've never found Foster Brooks to be funny.
Incorrect statement: Foster Brooks wasn't funny because he relied on
his drunk gag.
Correct statement: Foster Brooks relied on his drunk gag because he
wasn't particularly funny.
Playing drunk is not inherently funny or unfunny, but like anything it
can be funny if done well.
--
BR
The Bloomfield Bloviator
Aug 1, 2012, 12:38:20 AM8/1/12
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never been drunk.
BobbyM
Aug 1, 2012, 12:44:26 AM8/1/12
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Here's one of those bits; it starts off with the wino & the junkie is
introduced at about 1:45 into the clip:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PMR7i7pk8po
BobbyM
Aug 1, 2012, 12:52:59 AM8/1/12
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The Bloomfield Bloviator
Aug 1, 2012, 12:47:42 AM8/1/12
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The Bloomfield Bloviator
Aug 1, 2012, 12:56:56 AM8/1/12
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0zy8_u2j45E
BobbyM
Aug 1, 2012, 1:02:19 AM8/1/12
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The Bloomfield Bloviator
Aug 1, 2012, 1:17:26 AM8/1/12
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positive about intentionally ingesting poison to altar your brain.
BobbyM
Aug 1, 2012, 1:47:53 AM8/1/12
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of this song awhile back.
Back to the Bond song, I liked it a lot more as a kid than I do know.
But my first comment above about the song still stands. Whether you
like it or hate it, do you think the song would have sold had he sung it
straight? Maybe that's not a fair question, since you don't listen to
lyrics :>)
Roger Ford
Aug 1, 2012, 2:06:53 AM8/1/12
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On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 11:42:54 -0700 (PDT), "tr...@iwvisp.com"
<tr...@iwvisp.com> wrote:
>LOS ANGELES (AP) - Tony Martin, the romantic singer who appeared in
>movie musicals from the 1930s to the 1950s and sustained a career in
>records, television and nightclubs from the Depression era into the
>21st century, has died. He was 98.
>
>
<tr...@iwvisp.com> wrote:
>LOS ANGELES (AP) - Tony Martin, the romantic singer who appeared in
>movie musicals from the 1930s to the 1950s and sustained a career in
>records, television and nightclubs from the Depression era into the
>21st century, has died. He was 98.
>
>
>In 1940 he shifted to MGM and sang in such films as "The Ziegfeld
>Girl" (James Stewart, Lana Turner, Judy Garland), "The Big
>Store" (the
>Marx Brothers),
Every review I ever read slated his appearance in The Marx's movie
>Girl" (James Stewart, Lana Turner, Judy Garland), "The Big
>Store" (the
>Marx Brothers),
"The Big Store" and particularly the song he sings there---"Tenement
Symphony".
It's always been one of my favorite "New York City songs".
The Bloomfield Bloviator
Aug 1, 2012, 2:07:32 AM8/1/12
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people do.
If Bond had done that record straight it probably would be about as
popular as non alcoholoic beer.
Dean F.
Aug 1, 2012, 2:04:50 AM8/1/12
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On Jul 31, 11:26 pm, The Bloomfield Bloviator <Savo...@aol.com> wrote:
> On Jul 31, 10:56 pm, "Dean F." <soulexpr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Jul 31, 10:39 pm, The Bloomfield Bloviator <Savo...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > > I hate humor that's based on people being drunk or stoned, even if
> > > they became that way accidentally.
>
> > Who gives a fuck *what* you hate?
>
> Just as many people as who give a fuck what one of your favorite
> Barney Miller moments is.
The discussion was about Barney Miller. I figured linking to one of my
> On Jul 31, 10:56 pm, "Dean F." <soulexpr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Jul 31, 10:39 pm, The Bloomfield Bloviator <Savo...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > > I hate humor that's based on people being drunk or stoned, even if
> > > they became that way accidentally.
>
> > Who gives a fuck *what* you hate?
>
> Just as many people as who give a fuck what one of your favorite
> Barney Miller moments is.
favorite moments from the show was appropriate.
> Diane and I were discussing this recently. Neither of us can
> understand why people think it's funny when some no talent boob like
> Foster Brooks pretends to be drunk. Or when somebody pretends to be
> stoned.
Personally, I never thought Dean Martin was a "funny drunk," and it
was exceedingly rare that Cheech & Chong got a laugh out of me.
> Wasn't your father a drinker? Why would you think it's funny to see
> someone pretending to be under the influence of something?
"They're Coming To Take Me Away" is hilarious. So what?
Geez, Bruce. I never thought you, of all people, would succumb to
political correctness!
The Bloomfield Bloviator
Aug 1, 2012, 2:29:09 AM8/1/12
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driving beat and the phonetic sound of the words, but I've never
laughed at the song,
> Geez, Bruce. I never thought you, of all people, would succumb to
> political correctness!
should not be made, or that people should not pretend to be drunk if
the schmucks in the audience think it's funny. I'm just saying, I
don't see it as funny.
I think that things like "Move Them Niggers North" are funny. I'm
laughing at the ignorance of the people who actually feel that way,
and the way that they express it.
But I just don't find drug or alcohol humor to be funny.
Jim Colegrove
Aug 1, 2012, 8:51:57 AM8/1/12
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have been drunk before. Wonder what kind of a drunk you would be if
you ever were? Funny or mean? Or perhaps, just the same?
Jim Colegrove
www.thecoolgroove.com
Bob Roman
Aug 1, 2012, 11:20:08 AM8/1/12
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On Aug 1, 12:44 am, BobbyM <masseybNOS...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On 01-Aug-12 1:22 PM, Bob Roman wrote:
> > Playing drunk is not inherently funny or unfunny, but like anything it
> > can be funny if done well.
>
> Richard Pryor's wino skit was a satire which was both funny and poignant.
Alcohol and other drugs have historically been part of the human
> On 01-Aug-12 1:22 PM, Bob Roman wrote:
> > Playing drunk is not inherently funny or unfunny, but like anything it
> > can be funny if done well.
>
> Richard Pryor's wino skit was a satire which was both funny and poignant.
experience. Any part of the human experience can be played as comedy
or tragedy, or (as you note) both.
--
BR
Bob Roman
Aug 1, 2012, 11:23:09 AM8/1/12
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On Aug 1, 1:17 am, The Bloomfield Bloviator <Savo...@aol.com> wrote:
> There's no way that I'm ever gonna believe that there's anything
> positive about intentionally ingesting poison to altar your brain.
I guess you haven't been keeping up with the latest research
> There's no way that I'm ever gonna believe that there's anything
> positive about intentionally ingesting poison to altar your brain.
http://www.sciencenews.org/view/generic/id/338406/title/Vodka_delivers_shot_of_creativity/
http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/244065.php
http://healthland.time.com/2012/03/22/how-getting-tipsy-may-inspire-creativity/
--
BR
Bob Roman
Aug 1, 2012, 11:28:54 AM8/1/12
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> Geez, Bruce. I never thought you, of all people, would succumb to
> political correctness!
"That's Not Funny" is the mating call of the tight-ass.
> political correctness!
--
BR
The Bloomfield Bloviator
Aug 1, 2012, 11:56:05 AM8/1/12
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> Alcohol and other drugs have historically been part of the human
> experience. Any part of the human experience can be played as comedy
> or tragedy, or (as you note) both.
How often do you get drunk?
The Bloomfield Bloviator
Aug 1, 2012, 11:58:46 AM8/1/12
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The fact that people would even care to speculate as to what "kind of
drunk" someone would be shows a deep problem within our society. The
fact that it's acceptable to get drunk.
Roger Ford
Aug 1, 2012, 12:26:04 PM8/1/12
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how being drunk felt. Nothing happened. I never drank again.
I tried marijuana once to check how that felt. Again nothing happened
except this time I got a splitting headache. And I hated the smell of
grass. I never used drugs again.
The Bloomfield Bloviator
Aug 1, 2012, 10:22:22 AM8/1/12
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On Aug 1, 8:51 am, Jim Colegrove <co...@thecoolgroove.com> wrote:
shows a deep rooted problem within our society. It's pretty much a
tacit acceptance of the fact that it's okay to get drunk.
The Bloomfield Bloviator
Aug 1, 2012, 11:54:17 AM8/1/12
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normal about that.
> Any part of the human experience can be played as comedy
> or tragedy, or (as you note) both.
Mark Dintenfass
Aug 1, 2012, 12:43:23 PM8/1/12
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In article
<e5edfd01-f4d7-4af9...@fj14g2000vbb.googlegroups.com>,
So you must dislike all the great r&b and blues songs what are
about--and often glorify-- getting drinking. Here's a few random
examples, but the list is endless:
Jimmy Liggins, Drunk
Tampa Red & His Chicago Five, Let's Get Drunk And Truck
Louis Jordan - Whiskey Do Your Stuff
Big Bill Broonzy, Whiskey And Good Times
Fats Domino - Whiskey Heaven
Al Jackson, Let's Drink Some Whiskey
Wyonie Harris, Who Threw The Whiskey The Well
Floyd Dixon - Hey Bartender
Sticks McGhee - Drinkin' Wine Spo-Dee-O-Dee
Calvin Boze, Stinkin' from Drinkin'
And the fact that you'll say you don't listen to lyrics is a copout
since you do read song titles.
--
--md
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<e5edfd01-f4d7-4af9...@fj14g2000vbb.googlegroups.com>,
about--and often glorify-- getting drinking. Here's a few random
examples, but the list is endless:
Jimmy Liggins, Drunk
Tampa Red & His Chicago Five, Let's Get Drunk And Truck
Louis Jordan - Whiskey Do Your Stuff
Big Bill Broonzy, Whiskey And Good Times
Fats Domino - Whiskey Heaven
Al Jackson, Let's Drink Some Whiskey
Wyonie Harris, Who Threw The Whiskey The Well
Floyd Dixon - Hey Bartender
Sticks McGhee - Drinkin' Wine Spo-Dee-O-Dee
Calvin Boze, Stinkin' from Drinkin'
And the fact that you'll say you don't listen to lyrics is a copout
since you do read song titles.
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Michael Pendragon
Aug 1, 2012, 12:46:54 PM8/1/12
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Michael Pendragon
Aug 1, 2012, 12:48:30 PM8/1/12
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Roger Ford
Aug 1, 2012, 1:04:44 PM8/1/12
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On Wed, 1 Aug 2012 09:48:30 -0700 (PDT), Michael Pendragon
<michaelmalef...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Aug 1, 12:26=A0pm, maria...@bblueyonder.co.uk (Roger Ford) wrote:
>> On Wed, 01 Aug 2012 07:51:57 -0500, Jim Colegrove
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> <co...@thecoolgroove.com> wrote:
>> >On Tue, 31 Jul 2012 21:38:20 -0700 (PDT), The Bloomfield Bloviator
>> ><Savo...@aol.com> wrote:
>>
>> >>On Aug 1, 12:22 am, Bob Roman <robertjro...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>> On Jul 31, 11:37 pm, BobbyM <masseybNOS...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >>> > On 01-Aug-12 12:26 PM, The Bloomfield Bloviator wrote:
>> >>> > > Neither of us can
>> >>> > > understand why people think it's funny when some no talent boob l=
>e
>> >>never been drunk.
>>
>> >Now, that's interesting. =A0Even a lot of folks who are tea-totalers
>> >have been drunk before. =A0Wonder what kind of a drunk you would be if
>> >you ever were? =A0Funny or mean? Or perhaps, just the same?
newsgroup. Maybe THE very richest.
<michaelmalef...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Aug 1, 12:26=A0pm, maria...@bblueyonder.co.uk (Roger Ford) wrote:
>> On Wed, 01 Aug 2012 07:51:57 -0500, Jim Colegrove
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> <co...@thecoolgroove.com> wrote:
>> >On Tue, 31 Jul 2012 21:38:20 -0700 (PDT), The Bloomfield Bloviator
>> ><Savo...@aol.com> wrote:
>>
>> >>On Aug 1, 12:22 am, Bob Roman <robertjro...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>> On Jul 31, 11:37 pm, BobbyM <masseybNOS...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >>> > On 01-Aug-12 12:26 PM, The Bloomfield Bloviator wrote:
>> >>> > > Neither of us can
>ike
>> >>> > > Foster Brooks pretends to be drunk.
>>
>> >>> > I've never found Foster Brooks to be funny.
>>
>> >>> Incorrect statement: Foster Brooks wasn't funny because he relied on
>> >>> his drunk gag.
>> >>> Correct statement: Foster Brooks relied on his drunk gag because he
>> >>> wasn't particularly funny.
>>
>> >>> Playing drunk is not inherently funny or unfunny, but like anything i=
>> >>> > > Foster Brooks pretends to be drunk.
>>
>> >>> > I've never found Foster Brooks to be funny.
>>
>> >>> Incorrect statement: Foster Brooks wasn't funny because he relied on
>> >>> his drunk gag.
>> >>> Correct statement: Foster Brooks relied on his drunk gag because he
>> >>> wasn't particularly funny.
>>
>t
>> >>> can be funny if done well.
>>
>> >>I've never seen it be funny. =A0I see it as sad. Maybe it's because I'v=
>> >>> can be funny if done well.
>>
>e
>> >>never been drunk.
>>
>> >Now, that's interesting. =A0Even a lot of folks who are tea-totalers
>> >have been drunk before. =A0Wonder what kind of a drunk you would be if
>> >you ever were? =A0Funny or mean? Or perhaps, just the same?
>>
>> I drank and drank and drank once when I was about 17 years old to see
>> how being drunk felt. Nothing happened. I never drank again.
>>
>> I tried marijuana once to check how that felt. Again nothing happened
>> except this time I got a splitting headache. And I hated the smell of
>> grass. I never used drugs again.
>
>Proof positive that quitters never prosper.
Don't be an idiot. If I wanted to I could be among the richest on this
>> I drank and drank and drank once when I was about 17 years old to see
>> how being drunk felt. Nothing happened. I never drank again.
>>
>> I tried marijuana once to check how that felt. Again nothing happened
>> except this time I got a splitting headache. And I hated the smell of
>> grass. I never used drugs again.
>
>Proof positive that quitters never prosper.
newsgroup. Maybe THE very richest.
Ray Arthur
Aug 1, 2012, 1:08:55 PM8/1/12
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On Jul 31, 9:22 pm, Bob Roman <robertjro...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jul 31, 11:37 pm, BobbyM <masseybNOS...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On 01-Aug-12 12:26 PM, The Bloomfield Bloviator wrote:
> > > Neither of us can
> > > understand why people think it's funny when some no talent boob like
> On Jul 31, 11:37 pm, BobbyM <masseybNOS...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On 01-Aug-12 12:26 PM, The Bloomfield Bloviator wrote:
> > > Neither of us can
> > > Foster Brooks pretends to be drunk.
>
> > I've never found Foster Brooks to be funny.
>
> Incorrect statement: Foster Brooks wasn't funny because he relied on
> his drunk gag.
> Correct statement: Foster Brooks relied on his drunk gag because he
> wasn't particularly funny.
>
> Playing drunk is not inherently funny or unfunny, but like anything it
>
> > I've never found Foster Brooks to be funny.
>
> Incorrect statement: Foster Brooks wasn't funny because he relied on
> his drunk gag.
> Correct statement: Foster Brooks relied on his drunk gag because he
> wasn't particularly funny.
>
> can be funny if done well.
>
> --
>
> BR
A couple of thoughts, while alcoholism was certainly recognized in the
'60's and '70's, the town drunk character was a long standing prop for
humor and, when written sharply, many times was funny, in both
physical comedy as well as intellectually witty. And some drunk gags
couldn't be translated to other character types. Secondly, while I
agree that Brooks' drunk act was a weak prop, I remember some of his
material being very funny. Many of his jokes could have stood alone
without the drunk act.
Ray Arthur
Michael Pendragon
Aug 1, 2012, 1:14:00 PM8/1/12
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Roger Ford
Aug 1, 2012, 2:06:46 PM8/1/12
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On Wed, 1 Aug 2012 10:14:00 -0700 (PDT), Michael Pendragon
<michaelmalef...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Aug 1, 1:04=A0pm, maria...@bblueyonder.co.uk (Roger Ford) wrote:
>> On Wed, 1 Aug 2012 09:48:30 -0700 (PDT), Michael Pendragon
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> <michaelmaleficapendra...@gmail.com> wrote:
>b l=3D
>on
>> >> >>> his drunk gag.
>> >> >>> Correct statement: Foster Brooks relied on his drunk gag because h=
>g i=3D
>e I'v=3D
>> >e
>> >> >>never been drunk.
>>
>> >> >Now, that's interesting. =3DA0Even a lot of folks who are tea-totaler=
>s
>> >> >have been drunk before. =3DA0Wonder what kind of a drunk you would be=
> if
>> >> >you ever were? =3DA0Funny or mean? Or perhaps, just the same?
<michaelmalef...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Aug 1, 1:04=A0pm, maria...@bblueyonder.co.uk (Roger Ford) wrote:
>> On Wed, 1 Aug 2012 09:48:30 -0700 (PDT), Michael Pendragon
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> <michaelmaleficapendra...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >On Aug 1, 12:26=3DA0pm, maria...@bblueyonder.co.uk (Roger Ford) wrote:
>> >> On Wed, 01 Aug 2012 07:51:57 -0500, Jim Colegrove
>>
>> >> <co...@thecoolgroove.com> wrote:
>> >> >On Tue, 31 Jul 2012 21:38:20 -0700 (PDT), The Bloomfield Bloviator
>> >> ><Savo...@aol.com> wrote:
>>
>> >> >>On Aug 1, 12:22 am, Bob Roman <robertjro...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >>> On Jul 31, 11:37 pm, BobbyM <masseybNOS...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >> >>> > On 01-Aug-12 12:26 PM, The Bloomfield Bloviator wrote:
>> >> >>> > > Neither of us can
>> >> >>> > > understand why people think it's funny when some no talent boo=
>> >> On Wed, 01 Aug 2012 07:51:57 -0500, Jim Colegrove
>>
>> >> <co...@thecoolgroove.com> wrote:
>> >> >On Tue, 31 Jul 2012 21:38:20 -0700 (PDT), The Bloomfield Bloviator
>> >> ><Savo...@aol.com> wrote:
>>
>> >> >>On Aug 1, 12:22 am, Bob Roman <robertjro...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >>> On Jul 31, 11:37 pm, BobbyM <masseybNOS...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >> >>> > On 01-Aug-12 12:26 PM, The Bloomfield Bloviator wrote:
>> >> >>> > > Neither of us can
>b l=3D
>> >ike
>> >> >>> > > Foster Brooks pretends to be drunk.
>>
>> >> >>> > I've never found Foster Brooks to be funny.
>>
>> >> >>> Incorrect statement: Foster Brooks wasn't funny because he relied =
>> >> >>> > > Foster Brooks pretends to be drunk.
>>
>> >> >>> > I've never found Foster Brooks to be funny.
>>
>on
>> >> >>> his drunk gag.
>> >> >>> Correct statement: Foster Brooks relied on his drunk gag because h=
>e
>> >> >>> wasn't particularly funny.
>>
>> >> >>> Playing drunk is not inherently funny or unfunny, but like anythin=
>> >> >>> wasn't particularly funny.
>>
>g i=3D
>> >t
>> >> >>> can be funny if done well.
>>
>> >> >>I've never seen it be funny. =3DA0I see it as sad. Maybe it's becaus=
>> >> >>> can be funny if done well.
>>
>e I'v=3D
>> >e
>> >> >>never been drunk.
>>
>> >> >Now, that's interesting. =3DA0Even a lot of folks who are tea-totaler=
>s
>> >> >have been drunk before. =3DA0Wonder what kind of a drunk you would be=
> if
>> >> >you ever were? =3DA0Funny or mean? Or perhaps, just the same?
>>
>> >> I drank and drank and drank once when I was about 17 years old to see
>> >> how being drunk felt. Nothing happened. I never drank again.
>>
>> >> I tried marijuana once to check how that felt. Again nothing happened
>> >> except this time I got a splitting headache. And I hated the smell of
>> >> grass. I never used drugs again.
>>
>> >Proof positive that quitters never prosper.
>>
>> Don't be an idiot. If I wanted to I could be among the richest on this
>> newsgroup. Maybe THE very richest.
>
>I wasn't talking about money.
>
It's clear you don't know what you're talking about
>> >> I drank and drank and drank once when I was about 17 years old to see
>> >> how being drunk felt. Nothing happened. I never drank again.
>>
>> >> I tried marijuana once to check how that felt. Again nothing happened
>> >> except this time I got a splitting headache. And I hated the smell of
>> >> grass. I never used drugs again.
>>
>> >Proof positive that quitters never prosper.
>>
>> Don't be an idiot. If I wanted to I could be among the richest on this
>> newsgroup. Maybe THE very richest.
>
>I wasn't talking about money.
>
The Bloomfield Bloviator
Aug 1, 2012, 2:21:43 PM8/1/12
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On Aug 1, 12:43 pm, Mark Dintenfass <mdintenf...@xxnew.rr.com> wrote:
> In article
> <e5edfd01-f4d7-4af9-8160-9eb3e0959...@fj14g2000vbb.googlegroups.com>,
No, I love lots of those songs, because I have no interest in the
lyrics.
> In article
> <e5edfd01-f4d7-4af9-8160-9eb3e0959...@fj14g2000vbb.googlegroups.com>,
lyrics.
The Bloomfield Bloviator
Aug 1, 2012, 2:24:39 PM8/1/12
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http://www.ebay.com/sch/rnbrecords-44/m.html?_ipg&_from&_nkw&_armrs=1&_sop=1
The Bloomfield Bloviator
Aug 1, 2012, 2:22:15 PM8/1/12
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On Aug 1, 12:46 pm, Michael Pendragon
Two drunks finally find some common ground.
Michael Pendragon
Aug 1, 2012, 2:55:08 PM8/1/12
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On Aug 1, 2:06 pm, maria...@bblueyonder.co.uk (Roger Ford) wrote:
> On Wed, 1 Aug 2012 10:14:00 -0700 (PDT), Michael Pendragon
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, 1 Aug 2012 10:14:00 -0700 (PDT), Michael Pendragon
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
You claim that you tried alcohol and marijuana once, were disappointed
with the results, and never tried either one again.
Because you gave up after only one attempt, you've missed out on two
potentially enjoyable experiences that you were admittedly interested
in.
Had you persisted with 2nd, 3rd, and even a 10th attempt, you might
have gotten the desired results.
Therefore you prove the old adage that quitters never prosper.
Roger Ford
Aug 1, 2012, 3:07:30 PM8/1/12
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On Wed, 1 Aug 2012 11:24:39 -0700 (PDT), The Bloomfield Bloviator
<Sav...@aol.com> wrote:
>On Aug 1, 1:04=A0pm, maria...@bblueyonder.co.uk (Roger Ford) wrote:
>> On Wed, 1 Aug 2012 09:48:30 -0700 (PDT), Michael Pendragon
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> <michaelmaleficapendra...@gmail.com> wrote:
>b l=3D
>on
>> >> >>> his drunk gag.
>> >> >>> Correct statement: Foster Brooks relied on his drunk gag because h=
>g i=3D
>e I'v=3D
>> >e
>> >> >>never been drunk.
>>
>p=3D1
>
R&B Records eh? I've heard that name before somewhere...ah well,it
will come to me shortly..............
<Sav...@aol.com> wrote:
>On Aug 1, 1:04=A0pm, maria...@bblueyonder.co.uk (Roger Ford) wrote:
>> On Wed, 1 Aug 2012 09:48:30 -0700 (PDT), Michael Pendragon
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> <michaelmaleficapendra...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >On Aug 1, 12:26=3DA0pm, maria...@bblueyonder.co.uk (Roger Ford) wrote:
>> >> On Wed, 01 Aug 2012 07:51:57 -0500, Jim Colegrove
>>
>> >> <co...@thecoolgroove.com> wrote:
>> >> >On Tue, 31 Jul 2012 21:38:20 -0700 (PDT), The Bloomfield Bloviator
>> >> ><Savo...@aol.com> wrote:
>>
>> >> >>On Aug 1, 12:22 am, Bob Roman <robertjro...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >>> On Jul 31, 11:37 pm, BobbyM <masseybNOS...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >> >>> > On 01-Aug-12 12:26 PM, The Bloomfield Bloviator wrote:
>> >> >>> > > Neither of us can
>> >> >>> > > understand why people think it's funny when some no talent boo=
>> >> On Wed, 01 Aug 2012 07:51:57 -0500, Jim Colegrove
>>
>> >> <co...@thecoolgroove.com> wrote:
>> >> >On Tue, 31 Jul 2012 21:38:20 -0700 (PDT), The Bloomfield Bloviator
>> >> ><Savo...@aol.com> wrote:
>>
>> >> >>On Aug 1, 12:22 am, Bob Roman <robertjro...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >>> On Jul 31, 11:37 pm, BobbyM <masseybNOS...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >> >>> > On 01-Aug-12 12:26 PM, The Bloomfield Bloviator wrote:
>> >> >>> > > Neither of us can
>b l=3D
>> >ike
>> >> >>> > > Foster Brooks pretends to be drunk.
>>
>> >> >>> > I've never found Foster Brooks to be funny.
>>
>> >> >>> Incorrect statement: Foster Brooks wasn't funny because he relied =
>> >> >>> > > Foster Brooks pretends to be drunk.
>>
>> >> >>> > I've never found Foster Brooks to be funny.
>>
>on
>> >> >>> his drunk gag.
>> >> >>> Correct statement: Foster Brooks relied on his drunk gag because h=
>e
>> >> >>> wasn't particularly funny.
>>
>> >> >>> Playing drunk is not inherently funny or unfunny, but like anythin=
>> >> >>> wasn't particularly funny.
>>
>g i=3D
>> >t
>> >> >>> can be funny if done well.
>>
>> >> >>I've never seen it be funny. =3DA0I see it as sad. Maybe it's becaus=
>> >> >>> can be funny if done well.
>>
>e I'v=3D
>> >e
>> >> >>never been drunk.
>>
>> >> >Now, that's interesting. =3DA0Even a lot of folks who are tea-totaler=
>s
>> >> >have been drunk before. =3DA0Wonder what kind of a drunk you would be=
> if
>> >> >you ever were? =3DA0Funny or mean? Or perhaps, just the same?
>s
>> >> >have been drunk before. =3DA0Wonder what kind of a drunk you would be=
> if
>>
>> >> I drank and drank and drank once when I was about 17 years old to see
>> >> how being drunk felt. Nothing happened. I never drank again.
>>
>> >> I tried marijuana once to check how that felt. Again nothing happened
>> >> except this time I got a splitting headache. And I hated the smell of
>> >> grass. I never used drugs again.
>>
>> >Proof positive that quitters never prosper.
>>
>> Don't be an idiot. If I wanted to I could be among the richest on this
>> newsgroup. Maybe THE very richest.
>
>Speaking of this, did you see who is the newest seller on EBay?
>
>http://www.ebay.com/sch/rnbrecords-44/m.html?_ipg&_from&_nkw&_armrs=3D1&_so=
>> >> I drank and drank and drank once when I was about 17 years old to see
>> >> how being drunk felt. Nothing happened. I never drank again.
>>
>> >> I tried marijuana once to check how that felt. Again nothing happened
>> >> except this time I got a splitting headache. And I hated the smell of
>> >> grass. I never used drugs again.
>>
>> >Proof positive that quitters never prosper.
>>
>> Don't be an idiot. If I wanted to I could be among the richest on this
>> newsgroup. Maybe THE very richest.
>
>Speaking of this, did you see who is the newest seller on EBay?
>
>p=3D1
>
R&B Records eh? I've heard that name before somewhere...ah well,it
will come to me shortly..............
Jim Colegrove
Aug 1, 2012, 4:50:13 PM8/1/12
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OK to go around drunk. Especially when one has access to automobiles,
guns or other weaponry or becomes violent in any way when intoxicated.
Jim Colegrove
http://www.jukejumpers.com
Mark Dintenfass
Aug 1, 2012, 5:24:54 PM8/1/12
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In article
<99753147-eb4e-4e0b...@y1g2000vbx.googlegroups.com>, The
So you have no problem with "Drinking Wine Spo-Dee-O-Dee," but you
disapprove of comedy routines depicting drinking?
<99753147-eb4e-4e0b...@y1g2000vbx.googlegroups.com>, The
disapprove of comedy routines depicting drinking?
Travis_Trite
Aug 1, 2012, 5:34:22 PM8/1/12
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> > >> Playing drunk is not inherently funny or unfunny, but like anything
> > >> it
> > >> can be funny if done well.
> >
> > >I've never seen it be funny. I see it as sad. Maybe it's because I've
> > >never been drunk.
> >
> > Now, that's interesting. Even a lot of folks who are tea-totalers
> > have been drunk before. Wonder what kind of a drunk you would be if
> > you ever were? Funny or mean? Or perhaps, just the same?
>
> The fact that people even wonder what "kind of drunk" someone would be
> shows a deep rooted problem within our society. It's pretty much a
> tacit acceptance of the fact that it's okay to get drunk.
>
It IS okay to drink. Whether that means it's okay to "get drunk" would be
> > >> it
> > >> can be funny if done well.
> >
> > >I've never seen it be funny. I see it as sad. Maybe it's because I've
> > >never been drunk.
> >
> > Now, that's interesting. Even a lot of folks who are tea-totalers
> > have been drunk before. Wonder what kind of a drunk you would be if
> > you ever were? Funny or mean? Or perhaps, just the same?
>
> The fact that people even wonder what "kind of drunk" someone would be
> shows a deep rooted problem within our society. It's pretty much a
> tacit acceptance of the fact that it's okay to get drunk.
>
something that would need to be defined.
Most social occasions of adults involve some amount of drinking. Weddings,
parties, awards dinners, backyard cookouts, sporting events. Music
performance, and the culture of music, in particular, has always gone hand
in hand a certain amount of drinking.
There are understandable, if not necessarily good, reasons for this, which
is that most people are uptight idiots who need to drink some to loosen up
so that they can RELATE to each other.
People like Roger and Bruce who don't and have never drunk at all, are
simply at a disadvantage for understanding their fellow adult humans, most
of whom drink. I've met very few people who don't drink at all, and most of
them don't because they are recovering from alcohol/drug abuse. They wish
they could find a way to drink manageably.
As always, socially stunted Bruce leading a discussion like this is
tiresome.
Jim's point, about drinking and driving or drinking and *violence,* is kind
of a grade-school problem where the whole class gets punished for the
irresponsible behavior of the few.
The Bloomfield Bloviator
Aug 1, 2012, 5:44:21 PM8/1/12
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> <99753147-eb4e-4e0b-b032-4a94b4860...@y1g2000vbx.googlegroups.com>, The
Where do you get "disapprove" from?
I don't find routines about drinking to be comedic. I find them to be
pathetic. The fact that they want people to laugh at somebody who is
drunk is very telling about the conviluted attitudes about alcohol in
this country.
As for the Sticks McGhee record.....
You've got to get this into your head already. When I listen to music,
I do not process the meaning of the words. I have no interest in what
the words mean. I only am interested in how they sound phonetically.
The subject matter of a song is not of any interest to me. I listen
for the beat, the harmony, the melody, chord structure, sax breaks,
etc......and the emotion being conveyed by the vocalist(s).
Most people in America who listened to Caruso, for interest, had no
idea what the words meant, but could still hear the emotion in his
voice.
I have lots of favorite records where I cannot even make out what the
actual words are. I like them for how the words SOUND, NOT WHAT THEY
MEAN.
I don't find routines about drinking to be comedic. I find them to be
pathetic. The fact that they want people to laugh at somebody who is
drunk is very telling about the conviluted attitudes about alcohol in
this country.
As for the Sticks McGhee record.....
You've got to get this into your head already. When I listen to music,
I do not process the meaning of the words. I have no interest in what
the words mean. I only am interested in how they sound phonetically.
The subject matter of a song is not of any interest to me. I listen
for the beat, the harmony, the melody, chord structure, sax breaks,
etc......and the emotion being conveyed by the vocalist(s).
Most people in America who listened to Caruso, for interest, had no
idea what the words meant, but could still hear the emotion in his
voice.
I have lots of favorite records where I cannot even make out what the
actual words are. I like them for how the words SOUND, NOT WHAT THEY
MEAN.
The Bloomfield Bloviator
Aug 1, 2012, 5:58:59 PM8/1/12
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On Aug 1, 5:34 pm, "Travis_Trite" <Travis_Tr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >> Playing drunk is not inherently funny or unfunny, but like anything
> > > >> it
> > > >> can be funny if done well.
>
> > > >I've never seen it be funny. I see it as sad. Maybe it's because I've
> > > >never been drunk.
>
> > > Now, that's interesting. Even a lot of folks who are tea-totalers
> > > have been drunk before. Wonder what kind of a drunk you would be if
> > > you ever were? Funny or mean? Or perhaps, just the same?
>
> > The fact that people even wonder what "kind of drunk" someone would be
> > shows a deep rooted problem within our society. It's pretty much a
> > tacit acceptance of the fact that it's okay to get drunk.
>
> It IS okay to drink. Whether that means it's okay to "get drunk" would be
> something that would need to be defined.
I say it's NOT okay to drink.
> > > >> Playing drunk is not inherently funny or unfunny, but like anything
> > > >> it
> > > >> can be funny if done well.
>
> > > >I've never seen it be funny. I see it as sad. Maybe it's because I've
> > > >never been drunk.
>
> > > Now, that's interesting. Even a lot of folks who are tea-totalers
> > > have been drunk before. Wonder what kind of a drunk you would be if
> > > you ever were? Funny or mean? Or perhaps, just the same?
>
> > The fact that people even wonder what "kind of drunk" someone would be
> > shows a deep rooted problem within our society. It's pretty much a
> > tacit acceptance of the fact that it's okay to get drunk.
>
> It IS okay to drink. Whether that means it's okay to "get drunk" would be
> something that would need to be defined.
> Most social occasions of adults involve some amount of drinking.
Many social occasions of adults involve the use of drugs like cocaine,
Is that okay too?
> Weddings, parties, awards dinners, backyard cookouts, sporting events. Music
> performance, and the culture of music, in particular, has always gone hand
> in hand a certain amount of drinking.
events.
> There are understandable, if not necessarily good, reasons for this, which
> is that most people are uptight idiots who need to drink some to loosen up
> so that they can RELATE to each other.
> People like Roger and Bruce who don't and have never drunk at all, are
> simply at a disadvantage for understanding their fellow adult humans, most
> of whom drink. I've met very few people who don't drink at all, and most of
> them don't because they are recovering from alcohol/drug abuse. They wish
> they could find a way to drink manageably.
> As always, socially stunted Bruce leading a discussion like this is
> tiresome.
advanced and the people who don't drink are considered socially
stunted.
> Jim's point, about drinking and driving or drinking and *violence,* is kind
> of a grade-school problem where the whole class gets punished for the
> irresponsible behavior of the few.
Alcohol-Related Deaths Kill More Than AIDS, TB Or Violence, WHO
Reports
Alcohol causes nearly 4 percent of deaths worldwide, more than AIDS,
tuberculosis or violence, the World Health Organization warned on
Friday.
Rising incomes have triggered more drinking in heavily populated
countries in Africa and Asia, including India and South Africa, and
binge drinking is a problem in many developed countries, the United
Nations agency said.
Yet alcohol control policies are weak and remain a low priority for
most governments despite drinking's heavy toll on society from road
accidents, violence, disease, child neglect and job absenteeism, it
said.
Approximately 2.5 million people die each year from alcohol related
causes, the WHO said in its "Global Status Report on Alcohol and
Health."
"The harmful use of alcohol is especially fatal for younger age groups
and alcohol is the world's leading risk factor for death among males
aged 15-59," the report found.
In Russia and the Commonwealth of Independent States (CIS), every
fifth death is due to harmful drinking, the highest rate.
Binge drinking, which often leads to risky behavior, is now prevalent
in Brazil, Kazakhstan, Mexico, Russia, South Africa and Ukraine, and
rising elsewhere, according to the WHO.
"Worldwide, about 11 percent of drinkers have weekly heavy episodic
drinking occasions, with men outnumbering women by four to one. Men
consistently engage in hazardous drinking at much higher levels than
women in all regions," the report said.
Health ministers from the WHO's 193 member states agreed last May to
try to curb binge drinking and other growing forms of excessive
alcohol use through higher taxes on alcoholic drinks and tighter
marketing restrictions.
DISEASE AND INJURY
Alcohol is a causal factor in 60 types of diseases and injuries,
according to WHO's first report on alcohol since 2004.
Its consumption has been linked to cirrhosis of the liver, epilepsy,
poisonings, road traffic accidents, violence, and several types of
cancer, including cancers of the colorectum, breast, larynx and liver.
"Six or seven years ago we didn't have strong evidence of a causal
relationship between drinking and breast cancer. Now we do," Vladimir
Poznyak, head of WHO's substance abuse unit who coordinated the
report, told Reuters.
Alcohol consumption rates vary greatly, from high levels in developed
countries, to the lowest in North Africa, sub-Saharan Africa, and
southern Asia, whose large Muslim populations often abstain from
drinking.
Homemade or illegally produced alcohol -- falling outside governmental
controls and tax nets -- accounts for nearly 30 percent of total
worldwide adult consumption. Some is toxic.
In France and other European countries with high levels of adult per
capita consumption, heavy episodic drinking is rather low, suggesting
more regular but moderate drinking patterns.
Light to moderate drinking can have a beneficial impact on heart
disease and stroke, according to the WHO. "However, the beneficial
cardio-protective effect of drinking disappears with heavy drinking
occasions," it said.
One of the most effective ways to curb drinking, especially among
young people, is to raise taxes, the report said. Setting age limits
for buying and consuming alcohol, and regulating alcohol levels in
drivers, also reduce abuse if enforced.
Some countries restrict marketing of alcoholic beverages or on the
industry's sponsorship of sporting events.
"Yet not enough countries use these and other effective policy options
to prevent death, disease and injury attributable to alcohol
consumption," the WHO said.
Alcohol producers including Diageo and Anheuser Busch InBev have said
they recognize the importance of industry self-regulation to address
alcohol abuse and promote curbs on drunk drinking and illegal underage
drinking.
But the brewer SABMiller has warned that policy measures like minimum
pricing and high excise taxes on alcohol could cause more public
health harm than good by leading more people to drink homemade or
illegally produced alcohol.
Alcohol causes nearly 4 percent of deaths worldwide, more than AIDS,
tuberculosis or violence, the World Health Organization warned on
Friday.
Alcohol causes nearly 4 percent of deaths worldwide, more than AIDS,
tuberculosis or violence, the World Health Organization warned on
Friday.
Alcohol causes nearly 4 percent of deaths worldwide, more than AIDS,
tuberculosis or violence, the World Health Organization warned on
Friday.
Alcohol causes nearly 4 percent of deaths worldwide, more than AIDS,
tuberculosis or violence, the World Health Organization warned on
Friday.
Alcohol causes nearly 4 percent of deaths worldwide, more than AIDS,
tuberculosis or violence, the World Health Organization warned on
Friday.
Alcohol causes nearly 4 percent of deaths worldwide, more than AIDS,
tuberculosis or violence, the World Health Organization warned on
Friday.
Alcohol causes nearly 4 percent of deaths worldwide, more than AIDS,
tuberculosis or violence, the World Health Organization warned on
Friday.
Alcohol causes nearly 4 percent of deaths worldwide, more than AIDS,
tuberculosis or violence, the World Health Organization warned on
Friday.
Alcohol causes nearly 4 percent of deaths worldwide, more than AIDS,
tuberculosis or violence, the World Health Organization warned on
Friday.
Alcohol causes nearly 4 percent of deaths worldwide, more than AIDS,
tuberculosis or violence, the World Health Organization warned on
Friday.
Alcohol causes nearly 4 percent of deaths worldwide, more than AIDS,
tuberculosis or violence, the World Health Organization warned on
Friday.
Alcohol causes nearly 4 percent of deaths worldwide, more than AIDS,
tuberculosis or violence, the World Health Organization warned on
Friday.
Alcohol causes nearly 4 percent of deaths worldwide, more than AIDS,
tuberculosis or violence, the World Health Organization warned on
Friday.
Alcohol causes nearly 4 percent of deaths worldwide, more than AIDS,
tuberculosis or violence, the World Health Organization warned on
Friday.
Alcohol causes nearly 4 percent of deaths worldwide, more than AIDS,
tuberculosis or violence, the World Health Organization warned on
Friday.
Alcohol causes nearly 4 percent of deaths worldwide, more than AIDS,
tuberculosis or violence, the World Health Organization warned on
Friday.
DianeE
Aug 1, 2012, 8:02:31 PM8/1/12
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"Jim Colegrove" <co...@thecoolgroove.com> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 31 Jul 2012 21:38:20 -0700 (PDT), The Bloomfield Bloviator
> <Sav...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>>On Aug 1, 12:22 am, Bob Roman <robertjro...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Jul 31, 11:37 pm, BobbyM <masseybNOS...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> > On 01-Aug-12 12:26 PM, The Bloomfield Bloviator wrote:
>>> > > Neither of us can
>>> > > understand why people think it's funny when some no talent boob like
>>> > > Foster Brooks pretends to be drunk.
>>>
>>> > I've never found Foster Brooks to be funny.
>>>
>>> Incorrect statement: Foster Brooks wasn't funny because he relied on
>>> his drunk gag.
>>> Correct statement: Foster Brooks relied on his drunk gag because he
>>> wasn't particularly funny.
>>>
> <Sav...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>>On Aug 1, 12:22 am, Bob Roman <robertjro...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Jul 31, 11:37 pm, BobbyM <masseybNOS...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> > On 01-Aug-12 12:26 PM, The Bloomfield Bloviator wrote:
>>> > > Neither of us can
>>> > > understand why people think it's funny when some no talent boob like
>>> > > Foster Brooks pretends to be drunk.
>>>
>>> > I've never found Foster Brooks to be funny.
>>>
>>> Incorrect statement: Foster Brooks wasn't funny because he relied on
>>> his drunk gag.
>>> Correct statement: Foster Brooks relied on his drunk gag because he
>>> wasn't particularly funny.
>>>
>>> Playing drunk is not inherently funny or unfunny, but like anything it
>>> can be funny if done well.
>>
>>I've never seen it be funny. I see it as sad. Maybe it's because I've
>>never been drunk.
>>
>>
>
>
> Now, that's interesting. Even a lot of folks who are tea-totalers
> have been drunk before. Wonder what kind of a drunk you would be if
> you ever were? Funny or mean? Or perhaps, just the same?
--------------
>>> can be funny if done well.
>>
>>I've never seen it be funny. I see it as sad. Maybe it's because I've
>>never been drunk.
>>
>>
>
>
> Now, that's interesting. Even a lot of folks who are tea-totalers
> have been drunk before. Wonder what kind of a drunk you would be if
> you ever were? Funny or mean? Or perhaps, just the same?
Bruce does drink alcohol at social functions that seem to require it. On
one such occasion I watched him knock back several cocktails. There was no
noticeable alteration in the way he walked, talked, or (gulp) drove. So I
personally think he's never been drunk because he essentially has a hollow
leg.
In case anyone's wondering what kind of drunk *I* would be, I'll tell you.
In order: I dance, fight, pass out, wake up, and spend the rest of the night
vomiting. That's why I haven't been drunk since 1981.
DianeE
The Bloomfield Bloviator
Aug 1, 2012, 9:10:45 PM8/1/12
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known me. I think in 12 years that you've known me that you've seen me
have more than one alcoholic drink maybe twice or three times at the
most. Most of the time I have nothing. I think it's currently been a
few years since I had ANY alcohol at all.
The "hollow leg" comment makes it seem like I've had several drinks
many times over the years. Just not true.
People used to insist on buying me drinks when I was DJing. I would
rarely drink any of them. Usually I would get rid of them when the
buyer wasn't looking anymore.
Michael Pendragon
Aug 1, 2012, 10:13:45 PM8/1/12
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marcus60s
Aug 1, 2012, 10:20:20 PM8/1/12
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On Aug 1, 2:06 am, maria...@bblueyonder.co.uk (Roger Ford) wrote:
> On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 11:42:54 -0700 (PDT), "t...@iwvisp.com"
>
> <t...@iwvisp.com> wrote:
> >LOS ANGELES (AP) - Tony Martin, the romantic singer who appeared in
> >movie musicals from the 1930s to the 1950s and sustained a career in
> >records, television and nightclubs from the Depression era into the
> >21st century, has died. He was 98.
>
> >In 1940 he shifted to MGM and sang in such films as "The Ziegfeld
> >Girl" (James Stewart, Lana Turner, Judy Garland), "The Big
> >Store" (the
> >Marx Brothers),
>
> Every review I ever read slated his appearance in The Marx's movie
> "The Big Store" and particularly the song he sings there---"Tenement
> Symphony".
>
> It's always been one of my favorite "New York City songs".
>
> ROGER FORD
> -----------------------
Tenement As a big Marx Bros fan, I always found Tenement Symphony to
be too corny. It's an ode to a NYC that was almost gone by the time
the movie was made. I enjoy Martin's "If It's You", which he records
live for the customer asking for his new record.
Marc
> On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 11:42:54 -0700 (PDT), "t...@iwvisp.com"
>
> <t...@iwvisp.com> wrote:
> >LOS ANGELES (AP) - Tony Martin, the romantic singer who appeared in
> >movie musicals from the 1930s to the 1950s and sustained a career in
> >records, television and nightclubs from the Depression era into the
> >21st century, has died. He was 98.
>
> >In 1940 he shifted to MGM and sang in such films as "The Ziegfeld
> >Girl" (James Stewart, Lana Turner, Judy Garland), "The Big
> >Store" (the
> >Marx Brothers),
>
> Every review I ever read slated his appearance in The Marx's movie
> "The Big Store" and particularly the song he sings there---"Tenement
> Symphony".
>
> It's always been one of my favorite "New York City songs".
>
> ROGER FORD
> -----------------------
Tenement As a big Marx Bros fan, I always found Tenement Symphony to
be too corny. It's an ode to a NYC that was almost gone by the time
the movie was made. I enjoy Martin's "If It's You", which he records
live for the customer asking for his new record.
Marc
marcus60s
Aug 1, 2012, 10:21:46 PM8/1/12
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The Bloomfield Bloviator
Aug 1, 2012, 10:34:25 PM8/1/12
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On Aug 1, 10:13 pm, Michael Pendragon
I'd like to be able to count cards like the Rain Man.
marcus60s
Aug 1, 2012, 10:29:35 PM8/1/12
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On Jul 31, 10:39 pm, The Bloomfield Bloviator <Savo...@aol.com> wrote:
> On Jul 31, 10:27 pm, "Dean F." <soulexpr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Jul 31, 10:23 am, Mark Dintenfass <mdintenf...@xxnew.rr.com> wrote:
>
> > > He rode
> > > the Tessio role into enduring fame as Sgt. Fish on the excellent
> > > cop-comedy "Barney Miller." (Excellent by sitcom standards means I used
> > > to watch it regularly.) Vigoda was erroneously reported dead twice
> > > which I assume explains Dean's comment. (I mean, who doesn't like Abe
> > > Vigoda?)
>
> > One of my favorite "Barney Miller" moments:
>
> >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhl6fO5jxfQ
>
> I hate humor that's based on people being drunk or stoned, even if
> they became that way accidentally.
It's a good thing you don't hate music based on people being drunk or
stoned, or you would hate most R&B and Rock.
> On Jul 31, 10:27 pm, "Dean F." <soulexpr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Jul 31, 10:23 am, Mark Dintenfass <mdintenf...@xxnew.rr.com> wrote:
>
> > > He rode
> > > the Tessio role into enduring fame as Sgt. Fish on the excellent
> > > cop-comedy "Barney Miller." (Excellent by sitcom standards means I used
> > > to watch it regularly.) Vigoda was erroneously reported dead twice
> > > which I assume explains Dean's comment. (I mean, who doesn't like Abe
> > > Vigoda?)
>
> > One of my favorite "Barney Miller" moments:
>
> >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhl6fO5jxfQ
>
> I hate humor that's based on people being drunk or stoned, even if
> they became that way accidentally.
It's a good thing you don't hate music based on people being drunk or
stoned, or you would hate most R&B and Rock.
The Bloomfield Bloviator
Aug 1, 2012, 11:05:38 PM8/1/12
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environment, but like I've been telling you about John Lennon, what
these musicians were like as people means nothing to me. It's all
about what their records sound like.
Bob Roman
Aug 1, 2012, 11:22:58 PM8/1/12
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On Aug 1, 11:56 am, The Bloomfield Bloviator <Savo...@aol.com> wrote:
Less often than you if Diane can be believed.
--
BR
> On Aug 1, 11:28 am, Bob Roman <robertjro...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > "That's Not Funny" is the mating call of the tight-ass.
>
> How often do you get drunk?
> > "That's Not Funny" is the mating call of the tight-ass.
>
Less often than you if Diane can be believed.
--
BR
The Bloomfield Bloviator
Aug 1, 2012, 11:29:15 PM8/1/12
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How about you?
SixStringStu
Aug 1, 2012, 11:37:28 PM8/1/12
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"The Bloomfield Bloviator" <Sav...@aol.com> wrote in message
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I had you pegged for over 60!
You chat about music that predates "our" generation.
I'm only 51 btw.
Bob Roman
Aug 1, 2012, 11:19:32 PM8/1/12
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On Aug 1, 11:54 am, The Bloomfield Bloviator <Savo...@aol.com> wrote:
> On Aug 1, 11:20 am, Bob Roman <robertjro...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Any part of the human experience can be played as comedy
> > or tragedy, or (as you note) both.
>
> So, according to you, child rape can be played as a comedy.
At Penn State they put up a statue.
--
BR
> On Aug 1, 11:20 am, Bob Roman <robertjro...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Any part of the human experience can be played as comedy
> > or tragedy, or (as you note) both.
>
> So, according to you, child rape can be played as a comedy.
At Penn State they put up a statue.
--
BR
The Bloomfield Bloviator
Aug 1, 2012, 11:55:02 PM8/1/12
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Just admit that there are parts of the human experience that cannot be
played as a
comedy.
Dean F.
Aug 2, 2012, 12:05:09 AM8/2/12
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Michael Pendragon
Aug 2, 2012, 12:00:40 AM8/2/12
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Dean F.
Aug 2, 2012, 12:05:57 AM8/2/12
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top - even for you, Bruce.
The Bloomfield Bloviator
Aug 2, 2012, 12:09:05 AM8/2/12
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On Aug 2, 12:00 am, Michael Pendragon
When was child rape played as a comedy?
The Bloomfield Bloviator
Aug 1, 2012, 11:39:14 PM8/1/12
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On Aug 1, 11:37 pm, "SixStringStu" <hawkinnc45REM...@hotmail.com>
wrote:
> "The Bloomfield Bloviator" <Savo...@aol.com> wrote in messagenews:7a8e55d3-8c48-47f9...@y1g2000vbx.googlegroups.com...
I was born in Sep of 1957.
wrote:
> "The Bloomfield Bloviator" <Savo...@aol.com> wrote in messagenews:7a8e55d3-8c48-47f9...@y1g2000vbx.googlegroups.com...
The Bloomfield Bloviator
Aug 2, 2012, 12:38:00 AM8/2/12
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Roman claimed that......
> > > > On Aug 1, 11:20 am, Bob Roman <robertjro...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > Any part of the human experience can be played as comedy
> > > > > or tragedy, or (as you note) both.
experience can be played as a comedy.
I never said that people being drunk can't be played as a comedy. It
happens all the time. I merely said that I don't find that funny.
Dean F.
Aug 2, 2012, 12:40:23 AM8/2/12
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On Aug 2, 12:09 am, The Bloomfield Bloviator <Savo...@aol.com> wrote:
> When was child rape played as a comedy?
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0088461/plotsummary
> When was child rape played as a comedy?
Plot Summary for
"What Have I Done to Deserve This?" (1984)
A dysfunctional family in Madrid: Gloria is a cleaning lady, hooked on
No-Doze, living in a crowded flat with Antonio, her surly husband, a
cabby who adores an aging German singer he used to chauffeur; he's
also a forger. One teen son sells heroin, the other sleeps with men.
Her mother-in-law keeps bottled water and cupcakes under lock and key,
selling them to the family. Two alcoholic writers cook up a plot to
sell a manuscript as Hitler's memoirs, if Antonio will transcribe it
in Hitler's hand. He agrees, so they ask the German singer to play the
role of the original owner since her past affinity for Nazi
memorabilia makes her a likely candidate.
***Meanwhile, Gloria has sold one son to a sex-crazed dentist (because
she needed money for a curling iron),***
and grandma picks up a pet lizard. Can this chaos be tamed?
BobbyM
Aug 2, 2012, 12:48:28 AM8/2/12
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Regardless of how many turns this thread has taken, it's all been more
interesting than discussing Tony Martin.
Now if only Nick can find an actual clip of Andy Rooney dancing with a
woman much taller than himself, or better yet one of him shaving his
eyebrows.
interesting than discussing Tony Martin.
Now if only Nick can find an actual clip of Andy Rooney dancing with a
woman much taller than himself, or better yet one of him shaving his
eyebrows.
The Bloomfield Bloviator
Aug 2, 2012, 12:48:19 AM8/2/12
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Do I have to qualify what I said as "pre teen rape?"
Show me somewhere where they tried to make comedy out of a YOUNG boy
being raped.
Bob Roman
Aug 2, 2012, 12:56:16 AM8/2/12
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My money is on "hollow leg."
--
BR
Dean F.
Aug 2, 2012, 1:02:45 AM8/2/12
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On Aug 2, 12:48 am, BobbyM <masseybNOS...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Regardless of how many turns this thread has taken, it's all been more
> interesting than discussing Tony Martin.
I think we can all agree on that! :-D
> Regardless of how many turns this thread has taken, it's all been more
> interesting than discussing Tony Martin.
The Bloomfield Bloviator
Aug 2, 2012, 1:02:53 AM8/2/12
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wager?
BobbyM
Aug 2, 2012, 1:04:48 AM8/2/12
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funny.
Bob Roman
Aug 2, 2012, 1:06:45 AM8/2/12
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your buddy Dennis hasn't made at least one.
--
BR
Q: What was Jerry Sandusky's defensive philosophy at Penn State?
A: Get penetration and always cover the tight end.
The Bloomfield Bloviator
Aug 2, 2012, 12:50:02 AM8/2/12
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> Regardless of how many turns this thread has taken, it's all been more
> interesting than discussing Tony Martin.
I was thinking that as bad as Tony Martin was, he doesn't deserve to
> interesting than discussing Tony Martin.
have his name associated with the shit being discussed here.
The Bloomfield Bloviator
Aug 2, 2012, 1:27:40 AM8/2/12
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to the act of child rape being portrayed on stage or in a movie, like
the way being drunk or stoned was portrayed in the start of this
conversation, on an episode of a TV show, or on stage.
Sure, people can make up a sick joke about anything, but that's a far
cry from trying to depict certain things comedically.
There have been lots of Holacaust jokes, but has anybody ever depicted
Jews being taken into the ovens and tried to make it a comedy?
The Bloomfield Bloviator
Aug 2, 2012, 1:15:29 AM8/2/12
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Dean F.
Aug 2, 2012, 1:38:39 AM8/2/12
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On Aug 2, 1:06 am, Bob Roman <robertjro...@gmail.com> wrote:
> The internet is full on PSU/Jerry Sandusky jokes. I'd be stunned if
> your buddy Dennis hasn't made at least one.
>
> --
> BR
>
> Q: What was Jerry Sandusky's defensive philosophy at Penn State?
> A: Get penetration and always cover the tight end.
"The Aristocrats!"
> The internet is full on PSU/Jerry Sandusky jokes. I'd be stunned if
> your buddy Dennis hasn't made at least one.
>
> --
> BR
>
> Q: What was Jerry Sandusky's defensive philosophy at Penn State?
> A: Get penetration and always cover the tight end.
Travis_Trite
Aug 1, 2012, 6:47:43 PM8/1/12
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> > > > Now, that's interesting. Even a lot of folks who are tea-totalers
> > > > have been drunk before. Wonder what kind of a drunk you would be if
> > > > you ever were? Funny or mean? Or perhaps, just the same?
> >
> > > The fact that people even wonder what "kind of drunk" someone would be
> > > shows a deep rooted problem within our society. It's pretty much a
> > > tacit acceptance of the fact that it's okay to get drunk.
> >
> > It IS okay to drink. Whether that means it's okay to "get drunk" would
> > be
> > something that would need to be defined.
>
> I say it's NOT okay to drink.
>
>
> > Most social occasions of adults involve some amount of drinking.
>
> So, your argument is that because people do it, it must be okay?
>
[I sent a duplicate post, but it didn't show up]
> Many social occasions of adults involve the use of drugs like cocaine,
No they do not. I've brought plenty of 6-packs and bottles of wine to
parties. I've never done cocaine and the parties I was at where it was going
on the people were acting pretty icky.
> Is that okay too?
>
>
> > Weddings, parties, awards dinners, backyard cookouts, sporting events.
> > Music
> > performance, and the culture of music, in particular, has always gone
> > hand
> > in hand a certain amount of drinking.
>
> There is no alcohol served at any high school or NCAA sporting
> events.
>
>
> > There are understandable, if not necessarily good, reasons for this,
> > which
> > is that most people are uptight idiots who need to drink some to loosen
> > up
> > so that they can RELATE to each other.
>
> Pathetic.
Whatever. You think adults who drink are pathetic. It's hard to imagine you
not letting on you think so if you were around them. Therefore, since adult
drinking is very pervasive, I imagine you avoid social situations. In your
case, it's your intellectual rigidity that's what's preventing YOU from
being able to relate to people.
> > People like Roger and Bruce who don't and have never drunk at all, are
> > simply at a disadvantage for understanding their fellow adult humans,
> > most
> > of whom drink. I've met very few people who don't drink at all, and most
> > of
> > them don't because they are recovering from alcohol/drug abuse. They
> > wish
> > they could find a way to drink manageably.
>
> So, l because most people want to do it, that makes it okay.
>
Yes. Responsible adults have been "testing" this issue for a long time, and
through consensus and laws they have come up with the right parameters for
it.
> > As always, socially stunted Bruce leading a discussion like this is
> > tiresome.
>
> It's very telling that the people who drink are considered socially
> advanced and the people who don't drink are considered socially
> stunted.
If someone invited you to a gathering where drinking was going on you could
beg off and say "no I don't drink." Your real reason for not going is fear
of having to relate to other people. Your rigid belief that drinking is
wrong says more about you than it does about the rightness or wrongness of
drinking.
> > Jim's point, about drinking and driving or drinking and *violence,* is
> > kind
> > of a grade-school problem where the whole class gets punished for the
> > irresponsible behavior of the few.
>
> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/02/11/alcohol-related-deaths-_n_821900.html
>
> Alcohol-Related Deaths Kill More Than AIDS, TB Or Violence, WHO
> Reports
> Or Violence
Gee whiz. Do you think they separated alcohol-involved violence from regular
old violence?
> AIDS, TB Or Violence
Dealing with Bruce is more deadening than those three lightweights
> > > > have been drunk before. Wonder what kind of a drunk you would be if
> > > > you ever were? Funny or mean? Or perhaps, just the same?
> >
> > > The fact that people even wonder what "kind of drunk" someone would be
> > > shows a deep rooted problem within our society. It's pretty much a
> > > tacit acceptance of the fact that it's okay to get drunk.
> >
> > It IS okay to drink. Whether that means it's okay to "get drunk" would
> > be
> > something that would need to be defined.
>
> I say it's NOT okay to drink.
>
>
> > Most social occasions of adults involve some amount of drinking.
>
> So, your argument is that because people do it, it must be okay?
>
[I sent a duplicate post, but it didn't show up]
> Many social occasions of adults involve the use of drugs like cocaine,
No they do not. I've brought plenty of 6-packs and bottles of wine to
parties. I've never done cocaine and the parties I was at where it was going
on the people were acting pretty icky.
> Is that okay too?
>
>
> > Weddings, parties, awards dinners, backyard cookouts, sporting events.
> > Music
> > performance, and the culture of music, in particular, has always gone
> > hand
> > in hand a certain amount of drinking.
>
> There is no alcohol served at any high school or NCAA sporting
> events.
>
>
> > There are understandable, if not necessarily good, reasons for this,
> > which
> > is that most people are uptight idiots who need to drink some to loosen
> > up
> > so that they can RELATE to each other.
>
> Pathetic.
Whatever. You think adults who drink are pathetic. It's hard to imagine you
not letting on you think so if you were around them. Therefore, since adult
drinking is very pervasive, I imagine you avoid social situations. In your
case, it's your intellectual rigidity that's what's preventing YOU from
being able to relate to people.
> > People like Roger and Bruce who don't and have never drunk at all, are
> > simply at a disadvantage for understanding their fellow adult humans,
> > most
> > of whom drink. I've met very few people who don't drink at all, and most
> > of
> > them don't because they are recovering from alcohol/drug abuse. They
> > wish
> > they could find a way to drink manageably.
>
> So, l because most people want to do it, that makes it okay.
>
Yes. Responsible adults have been "testing" this issue for a long time, and
through consensus and laws they have come up with the right parameters for
it.
> > As always, socially stunted Bruce leading a discussion like this is
> > tiresome.
>
> It's very telling that the people who drink are considered socially
> advanced and the people who don't drink are considered socially
> stunted.
If someone invited you to a gathering where drinking was going on you could
beg off and say "no I don't drink." Your real reason for not going is fear
of having to relate to other people. Your rigid belief that drinking is
wrong says more about you than it does about the rightness or wrongness of
drinking.
> > Jim's point, about drinking and driving or drinking and *violence,* is
> > kind
> > of a grade-school problem where the whole class gets punished for the
> > irresponsible behavior of the few.
>
> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/02/11/alcohol-related-deaths-_n_821900.html
>
> Alcohol-Related Deaths Kill More Than AIDS, TB Or Violence, WHO
> Reports
> Or Violence
Gee whiz. Do you think they separated alcohol-involved violence from regular
old violence?
> AIDS, TB Or Violence
Dealing with Bruce is more deadening than those three lightweights
Travis_Trite
Aug 1, 2012, 6:24:24 PM8/1/12
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> > > > Now, that's interesting. Even a lot of folks who are tea-totalers
> > > > have been drunk before. Wonder what kind of a drunk you would be if
> > > > you ever were? Funny or mean? Or perhaps, just the same?
> >
> > > The fact that people even wonder what "kind of drunk" someone would be
> > > shows a deep rooted problem within our society. It's pretty much a
> > > tacit acceptance of the fact that it's okay to get drunk.
> >
> > It IS okay to drink. Whether that means it's okay to "get drunk" would
> > be
> > something that would need to be defined.
>
> I say it's NOT okay to drink.
>
>
> > Most social occasions of adults involve some amount of drinking.
>
> So, your argument is that because people do it, it must be okay?
>
> > > > have been drunk before. Wonder what kind of a drunk you would be if
> > > > you ever were? Funny or mean? Or perhaps, just the same?
> >
> > > The fact that people even wonder what "kind of drunk" someone would be
> > > shows a deep rooted problem within our society. It's pretty much a
> > > tacit acceptance of the fact that it's okay to get drunk.
> >
> > It IS okay to drink. Whether that means it's okay to "get drunk" would
> > be
> > something that would need to be defined.
>
> I say it's NOT okay to drink.
>
>
> > Most social occasions of adults involve some amount of drinking.
>
> So, your argument is that because people do it, it must be okay?
>
> Many social occasions of adults involve the use of drugs like cocaine,
No they do not. I've brought plenty of 6-packs and bottles of wine to
parties. I've never done cocaine and the parties I was at where it was going
on the people were acting pretty icky.
> Is that okay too?
>
>
> > Weddings, parties, awards dinners, backyard cookouts, sporting events.
> > Music
> > performance, and the culture of music, in particular, has always gone
> > hand
> > in hand a certain amount of drinking.
>
> There is no alcohol served at any high school or NCAA sporting
> events.
>
>
> > There are understandable, if not necessarily good, reasons for this,
> > which
> > is that most people are uptight idiots who need to drink some to loosen
> > up
> > so that they can RELATE to each other.
>
> Pathetic.
Whatever. You think adults who drink are pathetic. It's hard to imagine you
not letting on you think so if you were around them. Therefore, since adult
drinking is so pervasive, I imagine you avoid social situations. In your
No they do not. I've brought plenty of 6-packs and bottles of wine to
parties. I've never done cocaine and the parties I was at where it was going
on the people were acting pretty icky.
> Is that okay too?
>
>
> > Weddings, parties, awards dinners, backyard cookouts, sporting events.
> > Music
> > performance, and the culture of music, in particular, has always gone
> > hand
> > in hand a certain amount of drinking.
>
> There is no alcohol served at any high school or NCAA sporting
> events.
>
>
> > There are understandable, if not necessarily good, reasons for this,
> > which
> > is that most people are uptight idiots who need to drink some to loosen
> > up
> > so that they can RELATE to each other.
>
> Pathetic.
Whatever. You think adults who drink are pathetic. It's hard to imagine you
not letting on you think so if you were around them. Therefore, since adult
about the whole class getting punished for the irresponsible behavior of the
few.
DianeE
Aug 2, 2012, 6:37:45 AM8/2/12
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On Aug 1, 8:02 pm, "DianeE" <TiredOfS...@SorryFolks.com> wrote:
> Bruce does drink alcohol at social functions that seem to require it. On
> one such occasion I watched him knock back several cocktails. There was no
> noticeable alteration in the way he walked, talked, or (gulp) drove. So I
> personally think he's never been drunk because he essentially has a hollow
> leg.
This makes it look like I've done this numerous times since you've
known me. I think in 12 years that you've known me that you've seen me
have more than one alcoholic drink maybe twice or three times at the
most. Most of the time I have nothing. I think it's currently been a
few years since I had ANY alcohol at all.
The "hollow leg" comment makes it seem like I've had several drinks
many times over the years. Just not true.
--------------
I never said it was "numerous times," but if you want a clarification I will
add that the occasion I described above took place in Metairie, LA in 2003.
DianeE
On Aug 1, 8:02 pm, "DianeE" <TiredOfS...@SorryFolks.com> wrote:
> Bruce does drink alcohol at social functions that seem to require it. On
> one such occasion I watched him knock back several cocktails. There was no
> noticeable alteration in the way he walked, talked, or (gulp) drove. So I
> personally think he's never been drunk because he essentially has a hollow
> leg.
This makes it look like I've done this numerous times since you've
known me. I think in 12 years that you've known me that you've seen me
have more than one alcoholic drink maybe twice or three times at the
most. Most of the time I have nothing. I think it's currently been a
few years since I had ANY alcohol at all.
The "hollow leg" comment makes it seem like I've had several drinks
many times over the years. Just not true.
--------------
I never said it was "numerous times," but if you want a clarification I will
add that the occasion I described above took place in Metairie, LA in 2003.
DianeE
Bob Roman
Aug 2, 2012, 8:58:39 AM8/2/12
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On Aug 2, 1:27 am, The Bloomfield Bloviator <savo...@verizon.net>
wrote:
> There have been lots of Holacaust jokes, but has anybody ever depicted
> Jews being taken into the ovens and tried to make it a comedy?
A couple times:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0068451/
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0118799/
--
BR
wrote:
> There have been lots of Holacaust jokes, but has anybody ever depicted
> Jews being taken into the ovens and tried to make it a comedy?
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0068451/
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0118799/
--
BR
Bob Roman
Aug 2, 2012, 9:09:23 AM8/2/12
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On Aug 2, 1:15 am, The Bloomfield Bloviator <savo...@verizon.net>
wrote:
> > Q: What was Jerry Sandusky's defensive philosophy at Penn State?
> > A: Get penetration and always cover the tight end.
>
> Are you saying that you find this funny?
Doesn't matter. What's "funny" is not the topic any more. When Dean
called you out for comparing drinkers to child rapists, you
backtracked and said the topic had changed -- the drinking topic
referred to what is funny but the buggery topic referred to whether it
could be used in comedy.
--
BR
wrote:
> > Q: What was Jerry Sandusky's defensive philosophy at Penn State?
> > A: Get penetration and always cover the tight end.
>
> Are you saying that you find this funny?
called you out for comparing drinkers to child rapists, you
backtracked and said the topic had changed -- the drinking topic
referred to what is funny but the buggery topic referred to whether it
could be used in comedy.
--
BR
Michael Pendragon
Aug 2, 2012, 9:35:21 AM8/2/12
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Whats the benefit of taking a shower with a 12 year old girl?
Slicking her hair back and pretending she's 8.
What's the worst thing about sex with a 12 year old? Getting the
blood off your clown suit.
A child molester and his unsuspecting victim are walking into a dark,
wooded area.
The kid says "gosh, mister, we sure are walking a long ways." The perv
says nothing.
Later, the kid says "Gee, mister it sure is dark and spooky in here."
The man stays quiet.
Still later, the kid, in a quivering voice, says "I...I'm really
scared out here in these scary woods."
Finally the man turns to the kid and yells, "What the fuck are you
complaining about? I'm the one that has to walk back by myself!"
Why does Michael Jackson loves 8 year olds? Their little hands make
his dick look huge.
What's black and blue and doesn't like sex? The little boy in my
trunk.
What's the difference between a dead baby and an apple? I don't cum
all over an apple before I eat it.
A priest, a rapist, and a child molester walk into a bar.... and
that's just the first guy.
What did the child molester say when his wife asked if he wanted
breakfast? No thanks, I'll grab a little something on the way to work!
I'm in court next week on child abuse charges. I guess Dora doesn't
like to explore.
The wife and I are going away this Christmas. Five years for child
abuse.
Day after day I read or hear about vast numbers of cases of sexual
child abuse.
Nothing like that ever happened to me as a kid. I'm beginning to
wonder - was I really that ugly?
The news depresses me. Rapes, child abuse, people being killed in
violent sexual games... Feels like everybody's getting laid but me!
If the two and only words your Daughter can say are, 'Yes' and
'Daddy,' does that still make it child abuse?
During a heated debate about paedophiles I was asked my position on
child abuse. I replied "missionary."
After seeing how Triple Velvet plant new trees when they chop old ones
down, I have decided to take the "Triple Velvet" approach when it
comes to my new hobby. Whenever I sexually abuse and murder I child,
I will rape and impregnate 3 young women to replace them.
My parents warned me about the dangers of child abuse when I was
younger. They were right - it's fucking addictive.
"President Bush spoke at a Catholic prayer breakfast, and you could
tell this was a Catholic prayer breakfast because it was in the
morning and he said 'I'm dying for a little joe' and they brought him
an altar boy."
The last one's attributed to Bill Maher.
Michael Pendragon
Aug 2, 2012, 9:37:22 AM8/2/12
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an opinion.
The Bloomfield Bloviator
Aug 2, 2012, 10:51:21 AM8/2/12
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On Aug 2, 6:37 am, "DianeE" <TiredOfS...@SorryFolks.com> wrote:
> "The Bloomfield Bloviator" <Savo...@aol.com> wrote in messagenews:58f7ea6e-cc58-446a...@f2g2000vbm.googlegroups.com...
Yes, that's the only one that I remember, when we saw Eddie Powers,
but where are you getting the "driving" part from? I thought we took
a taxi to and from that place.
> "The Bloomfield Bloviator" <Savo...@aol.com> wrote in messagenews:58f7ea6e-cc58-446a...@f2g2000vbm.googlegroups.com...
but where are you getting the "driving" part from? I thought we took
a taxi to and from that place.
The Bloomfield Bloviator
Aug 2, 2012, 10:56:10 AM8/2/12
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On Aug 2, 9:09 am, Bob Roman <robertjro...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Aug 2, 1:15 am, The Bloomfield Bloviator <savo...@verizon.net>
> wrote:
>
> > > Q: What was Jerry Sandusky's defensive philosophy at Penn State?
> > > A: Get penetration and always cover the tight end.
>
> > Are you saying that you find this funny?
>
> Doesn't matter.
That's a non responsive answer. Let's try again.
> On Aug 2, 1:15 am, The Bloomfield Bloviator <savo...@verizon.net>
> wrote:
>
> > > Q: What was Jerry Sandusky's defensive philosophy at Penn State?
> > > A: Get penetration and always cover the tight end.
>
> > Are you saying that you find this funny?
>
> Doesn't matter.
Do you find that joke funny?
> What's "funny" is not the topic any more. When Dean
> called you out for comparing drinkers to child rapists, you
> backtracked and said the topic had changed -- the drinking topic
> referred to what is funny but the buggery topic referred to whether it
> could be used in comedy.
Bob Roman
Aug 2, 2012, 10:56:44 AM8/2/12
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weight, a single drink could do it, and Diane said she saw you down
"several."
--
BR
The Bloomfield Bloviator
Aug 2, 2012, 10:54:22 AM8/2/12
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descriptions. Can you show us a scene on youtube maybe, where they are
putting people into the ovens and trying to get laughs?
The Bloomfield Bloviator
Aug 2, 2012, 10:57:56 AM8/2/12
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On Aug 2, 9:35 am, Michael Pendragon
stage, or a TV show. Can you cite a scene where a young boy is raped
and someone is trying to get laughs from it?
<michaelmaleficapendra...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Aug 2, 12:09 am, The Bloomfield Bloviator <Savo...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Aug 2, 12:00 am, Michael Pendragon
>
> > <michaelmaleficapendra...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > On Aug 1, 11:55 pm, The Bloomfield Bloviator <Savo...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On Aug 1, 11:19 pm, Bob Roman <robertjro...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > On Aug 1, 11:54 am, The Bloomfield Bloviator <Savo...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > On Aug 1, 11:20 am, Bob Roman <robertjro...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > Any part of the human experience can be played as comedy
> > > > > > > or tragedy, or (as you note) both.
>
> > > > > > So, according to you, child rape can be played as a comedy.
>
> > > > > At Penn State they put up a statue.
>
> > > > Is that the best you can do here?
>
> > > > Just admit that there are parts of the human experience that cannot be
> > > > played as a
> > > > comedy.
>
> > > I can't think of one part that hasn't been.
>
> > When was child rape played as a comedy?
>
> Plenty of times:
I'm referring to the act of child rape being depicted in a movie or on
> On Aug 2, 12:09 am, The Bloomfield Bloviator <Savo...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Aug 2, 12:00 am, Michael Pendragon
>
> > <michaelmaleficapendra...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > On Aug 1, 11:55 pm, The Bloomfield Bloviator <Savo...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On Aug 1, 11:19 pm, Bob Roman <robertjro...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > On Aug 1, 11:54 am, The Bloomfield Bloviator <Savo...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > On Aug 1, 11:20 am, Bob Roman <robertjro...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > Any part of the human experience can be played as comedy
> > > > > > > or tragedy, or (as you note) both.
>
> > > > > > So, according to you, child rape can be played as a comedy.
>
> > > > > At Penn State they put up a statue.
>
> > > > Is that the best you can do here?
>
> > > > Just admit that there are parts of the human experience that cannot be
> > > > played as a
> > > > comedy.
>
> > > I can't think of one part that hasn't been.
>
> > When was child rape played as a comedy?
>
> Plenty of times:
stage, or a TV show. Can you cite a scene where a young boy is raped
and someone is trying to get laughs from it?
Travis_Trite
Aug 2, 2012, 11:16:08 AM8/2/12
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> "The Bloomfield Bloviator" <Sav...@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:c1a86a3c-d8b2-4f1c...@a19g2000vba.googlegroups.com...
concentration camp prisoner Giancarlo Giannini saves himself from being
taken to the gas chamber by making love to an overweight, pasty female Nazi
commandant/guard. The tone of that and the other Wertmuller films I've seen
satirically, darkly comedic. The scene is quite funny. If you were to be
bitten by a vampire right now, that would be horrific and tragic, but that
doesn't mean vampirism can't be dealt with comedically.
Next topic, Bloomfield Belaborer ...
The Bloomfield Bloviator
Aug 2, 2012, 11:19:15 AM8/2/12
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On Aug 2, 11:16 am, "Travis_Trite" <Travis_Tr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > "The Bloomfield Bloviator" <Savo...@aol.com> wrote in message
Let's see something funny where the Jews are being marched into the
ovens.
> > "The Bloomfield Bloviator" <Savo...@aol.com> wrote in message
> >news:c1a86a3c-d8b2-4f1c...@a19g2000vba.googlegroups.com...
> > On Aug 2, 8:58 am, Bob Roman <robertjro...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > On Aug 2, 1:27 am, The Bloomfield Bloviator <savo...@verizon.net>
> > > wrote:
>
> > > > There have been lots of Holacaust jokes, but has anybody ever depicted
> > > > Jews being taken into the ovens and tried to make it a comedy?
>
> > > A couple
> > > times:http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0068451/http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0118799/
>
> > The Jerry Lewis film is listed as a drama. The other one has several
> > descriptions. Can you show us a scene on youtube maybe, where they are
> > putting people into the ovens and trying to get laughs?
>
> There's a scene in Lina Wertmuller's Seven Beauties where emaciated
> concentration camp prisoner Giancarlo Giannini saves himself from being
> taken to the gas chamber by making love to an overweight, pasty female Nazi
> commandant/guard.
Yeah, that could be funny, but that's avoiding going to the ovens.
> > On Aug 2, 8:58 am, Bob Roman <robertjro...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > On Aug 2, 1:27 am, The Bloomfield Bloviator <savo...@verizon.net>
> > > wrote:
>
> > > > There have been lots of Holacaust jokes, but has anybody ever depicted
> > > > Jews being taken into the ovens and tried to make it a comedy?
>
> > > A couple
> > > times:http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0068451/http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0118799/
>
> > The Jerry Lewis film is listed as a drama. The other one has several
> > descriptions. Can you show us a scene on youtube maybe, where they are
> > putting people into the ovens and trying to get laughs?
>
> There's a scene in Lina Wertmuller's Seven Beauties where emaciated
> concentration camp prisoner Giancarlo Giannini saves himself from being
> taken to the gas chamber by making love to an overweight, pasty female Nazi
> commandant/guard.
Let's see something funny where the Jews are being marched into the
ovens.
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