Great Singles YEAR FOUR - Rec.Music.Rock-Pop-R&B.1960s Hall of Fame
Bob Roman
1960s Singles for our Rec.Music.Rock-Pop-R&B.1960s Hall of
Fame. Now is time to vote on a fourth class of Great 1960s Singles.
Everyone is invited to nominate up to twenty-five (25) titles. You can
post your list here, but please also send your nominations to me
so you can be sure I see them.
Any single released or on the charts in the 1960s (and not already
inducted) is eligible.
All submissions sent by midnight (EST) of the evening of January 22,
2005 will be considered. The most mentioned names--approximately fifty
(50)--will be our final nominees. On January 23 we will begin the
final vote.
The Great Singles inducted so far in our local HoF can be found in a
post of mine titled "GREAT SINGLES inducted so far in our local HoF."
The complete list of inductees in all categories can be found on the
page Bruce made:
http://hometown.aol.com/nghalloffame/myhomepage/index.html
The following were non-inducted finalists a year ago. They will each
be given a half-vote "head start" this year (this "head start" mostly
functions as a tie breaker):
Along Comes Mary - The Association
Baby What You Want Me to Do - Jimmy Reed
Can't Buy Me Love - The Beatles
Day Tripper - The Beatles
Girl Don't Come - Sandie Shaw
Hanky Panky - Tommy James & the Shondells
Heroes And Villains - The Beach Boys
It's All Right - The Impressions
Let's Go, Let's Go, Let's Go - Hank Ballard & the Midnighters
Mony Mony - Tommy James & The Shondells
Pipeline - The Chantays
Promised Land - Chuck Berry
Revolution - The Beatles
River Deep Mountain High - Ike And Tina Turner
Save the Last Dance for Me - The Drifters
Shop Around - The Miracles
Shotgun - Junior Walker and the All-Stars
Somebody To Love - The Jefferson Airplane
Stay - Maurice Williams & the Zodiacs
Surfin' Bird - The Trashmen
Surfin' USA - The Beach Boys
Talk Talk - The Music Machine
There Is - The Dells
Walk On By - Dionne Warwick
Whole Lotta Love - Led Zeppelin
You've Really Got A Hold On Me - The Miracles
Thanks.
Bob Roman
SavoyBG
Along Comes Mary - The Association
Baby What You Want Me to Do - Jimmy Reed
Can't Buy Me Love - The Beatles
Hanky Panky - Tommy James & the Shondells
It's All Right - The Impressions
Let's Go, Let's Go, Let's Go - Hank Ballard & the Midnighters
Mony Mony - Tommy James & The Shondells
Revolution - The Beatles
Shop Around - The Miracles
Shotgun - Junior Walker and the All-Stars
Somebody To Love - The Jefferson Airplane
Surfin' USA - The Beach Boys
There Is - The Dells
Whole Lotta Love - Led Zeppelin
I Saw Her Standing There - Beatles
Where Did Our Love Go - Supremes
You've Really Got A Hold On Me - The Miracles
Sunshine Of Your Love - Cream
My Generation - The Who
Honky Tonk Women - Rolling Stones
Nights In White Satin - Moody Blues (single in UK)
Time Of The Season - Zombies
The Letter - Box Tops
The Loco-Motion - Little Eva
Psychotic Reaction - Count Five
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>
> Now is time to vote on a fourth class of Great 1960s Singles.
>
>
> Any single released or on the charts in the 1960s (and not
> already inducted) is eligible.
My 2005 nominees for the 1960s are:
Along Comes Mary - The Association
Break On Through - The Doors
Hello I Love You - The Doors
Heroes And Villains - The Beach Boys
Hungry - Paul Revere And The Raiders
I Got A Line On You - Spirit
I Had Too Much To Dream Last Night - The Electric Prunes
In-A-Gadda-Da-Vida - Iron Butterfly
Incense And Peppermints - Strawberry Alarm Clock
Journey To The Center Of The Mind - The Amboy Dukes
Just Dropped In - The First Edition
People Are Strange - The Doors
Pleasant Valley Sunday - The Monkees
Pushin' Too Hard - The Seeds
River Deep Mountain High - Ike And Tina Turner
Seven And Seven Is - Love
Shape Of Things To Come - Max Frost And The Troopers
She Is Still A Mystery - The Lovin' Spoonful
Society's Child - Janis Ian
Somebody To Love - Jefferson Airplane
Talk Talk - The Music Machine
Time Has Come Today - The Chambers Brothers
We Ain't Got Nothin' Yet - The Blues Magoos
White Rabbit - Jefferson Airplane
You Keep Me Hanging On - Vanilla Fudge
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Roger Ford
<robert...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>It has been year since we voted in the third induction class of Great
>1960s Singles for our Rec.Music.Rock-Pop-R&B.1960s Hall of
>Fame. Now is time to vote on a fourth class of Great 1960s Singles.
>
Here's mine :-
Baby What You Want Me to Do - Jimmy Reed
Hello Stranger - Barbara Lewis
Cloud Nine - The Temptations
Cry Baby - Garnet Mimms & The Enchanters
I Found A Love - The Falcons
I'd Rather Go Blind - Etta James
It Will Stand - The Showmen
It's All Right - The Impressions
Jackson - Johnny Cash & June Carter
Let's Go, Let's Go, Let's Go - Hank Ballard & the Midnighters
New Orleans - U.S Bonds
Promised Land - Chuck Berry
River Deep Mountain High - Ike And Tina Turner
Save the Last Dance for Me - The Drifters
Shop Around - The Miracles
Shotgun - Junior Walker and the All-Stars
Stay - Maurice Williams & the Zodiacs
Surfin' USA - The Beach Boys
There Is - The Dells
Think - Aretha Franklin
Where Did Our Love Go - The Supremes
Wish Someone Would Care - Irma Thomas
You've Really Got A Hold On Me - The Miracles
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The Animals - We've Gotta Get Out Of This Place
Arthur Alexander - You Better Move On
The Box Tops - The Letter
Buffalo Springfield - For What It's Worth
The Doors - People Are Strange
The Easybeats - Friday On My Mind
Eddie Floyd - Knock On Wood
Elvis Presley - In The Ghetto
Ike & Tina Turner - River Deep, Mountain High
The Impressions - It's All Right
Jan & Dean - Surf City
Jefferson Airplane - Somebody To Love
The Kinks - Sunny Afternoon
The Lovin' Spoonful - Daydream
The Mamas & Papas - Monday, Monday
The Miracles - You've Really Got A Hold On Me
The Music Machine - Talk Talk
The Rolling Stones - Have You Seen Your Mother Standing In The Shadow
Shangri Las - Leader Of The Pack
The Small Faces - All Or Nothing
Spencer Davis Group - I'm A Man
Spirit - I Got A Line On You
Trashmen - Surfin' Bird
The Troggs - Wild Thing
The Turtles - Happy Together
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SavoyBG
>In-A-Gadda-Da-Vida - Iron Butterfly
Wouldn't this be better served to be inducted as an album cut?
The single was not why the record was well known.
Mark Dintenfass
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Mine:
Hey Jude - Beatles
Can't Buy Me Love - The Beatles
Day Tripper - The Beatles
It's All Right - The Impressions
Let's Go, Let's Go, Let's Go - Hank Ballard & the Midnighters
Promised Land - Chuck Berry
Revolution - The Beatles
River Deep Mountain High - Ike And Tina Turner
There Is - The Dells
Anna - Arthur Alexander
You Better Move On- Arthur Alexander
Postively Fourth Street - Bob Dylan
Up Around the Bend - CCR
Rag Doll - Four Seasons
Sunshine Superman - Donovan
Save the Last Dance for Me - The Drifters
Stay - Maurice Williams & the Zodiacs
White Rabbit - Jefferson Airplane
Baby What You Want Me to Do - Jimmy Reed
Cry Baby - Garnet Mimms & The Enchanters
New Orleans - U.S Bonds
Wish Someone Would Care - Irma Thomas
Ooh Baby Baby - Miracles
A Well-Respected Man - Kinks
The Turtles - Happy Together
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Jim Colegrove
<robert...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>Everyone is invited to nominate up to twenty-five (25) titles. You can
>post your list here, but please also send your nominations to me
>so you can be sure I see them.
>
In no order:
Along Comes Mary - The Association
Baby What You Want Me to Do - Jimmy Reed
Can't Buy Me Love - The Beatles
Day Tripper - The Beatles
Heroes And Villains - The Beach Boys
It's All Right - The Impressions
Let's Go, Let's Go, Let's Go - Hank Ballard & the Midnighters
Pipeline - The Chantays
Promised Land - Chuck Berry
Revolution - The Beatles
Save the Last Dance for Me - The Drifters
Shop Around - The Miracles
Shotgun - Junior Walker and the All-Stars
Somebody To Love - The Jefferson Airplane
Stay - Maurice Williams & the Zodiacs
Surfin' Bird - The Trashmen
Surfin' USA - The Beach Boys
Talk Talk - The Music Machine
Whole Lotta Love - Led Zeppelin
You've Really Got A Hold On Me - The Miracles
New Orleans - U.S Bonds
The Lovin' Spoonful - Daydream
The Mamas & Papas - Monday, Monday
Arthur Alexander - You Better Move On
Tossin' n Turnin' - Bobby Lewis
Jim Colegrove
TODD TAMANEND CLARK
>
> > In-A-Gadda-Da-Vida - Iron Butterfly
>
> Wouldn't this be better served to be inducted as an album cut?
>
> The single was not why the record was well known.
Point acknowledged.
Please change my vote to:
Lightning's Girl - Nancy Sinatra
Len Blanks
> It has been year since we voted in the third induction class of
> Great 1960s Singles for our Rec.Music.Rock-Pop-R&B.1960s Hall of
> Fame. Now is time to vote on a fourth class of Great 1960s Singles.
> Everyone is invited to nominate up to twenty-five (25) titles. You
> can post your list here, but please also send your nominations to me
> so you can be sure I see them.
Baby What You Want Me to Do - Jimmy Reed
Day Tripper - The Beatles
Heroes And Villains - The Beach Boys
Promised Land - Chuck Berry
Save the Last Dance for Me - The Drifters
Stay - Maurice Williams & the Zodiacs
You've Really Got A Hold On Me - The Miracles
You Better Move On - Arthur Alexander
Anna - Arthur Alexander
Positively Fourth Street - Bob Dylan
Sunshine Superman - Donovan
White Rabbit - Jefferson Airplane
New Orleans - U.S Bonds
Wish Someone Would Care - Irma Thomas
A Well-Respected Man - Kinks
--
Len
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your root chakra leaked sweet hot mucus.
-- Hiroyuki Nishigaki, 'How to Good-Bye Depression: If You Constrict
Anus 100 Times Everyday. Malarkey? or Effective Way?' (available from
amazon.com and fine booksellers everywhere)
Greg Ioannou
Bee Gees -- Massachusetts
Davie Bowie -- Space Oddity
Eric Burdon -- Sky Pilot
Glen Campbell - Galveston
Dave Clark Five -- Bits and Pieces
Dave Dee Dozy Beaky Mick and Tich -- Bend It
Spencer Davis Group -- I'm a Man
Desmond Dekker -- Israelites
Easybeats - Friday On My Mind
Chris Farlowe -- Out of Time
Gun -- Race With the Devil
Hollies -- He Ain't Heavy
Honeycombs -- Have I the Right?
Tommy James -- Mony Mony
Jan & Dean - Surf City
Jefferson Airplane - Somebody To Love
The Kinks - Sunny Afternoon
Love Sculpture -- Sabre Dance
Manfred Mann -- Do Wah Diddy Diddy
Marmalade -- Reflections of My Life
Move -- Blackberry Way
Nilsson -- Everybody's Talking
Edith Piaf -- Milord
The Troggs - Wild Thing
The Turtles - Happy Together
Greg
Greg Ioannou
Was going to put this on my list -- but isn't it from 1970?
Greg
Tregembo
"Bob Roman" <robert...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> It has been year since we voted in the third induction class of Great
> 1960s Singles for our Rec.Music.Rock-Pop-R&B.1960s Hall of
> Fame. Now is time to vote on a fourth class of Great 1960s Singles.
My noms:
Along Comes Mary - The Association
Can't Buy Me Love - The Beatles
Cara, Mia - Jay & the Americans
Do You Love Me - Contours
Hanky Panky - Tommy James & the Shondells
Happy Together - Turtles
I Can't Turn You Loose - Otis Redding
It's All Right - The Impressions
Just Like Me - Paul Revere & the Raiders
Lightnin' Strikes - Lou Christie
Little Latin Lupe Lu - Righteous Brothers
Loco-Motion - Little Eva
Mony Mony - Tommy James & The Shondells
Poetry In Motion - Johnny Tillotson
Promised Land - Chuck Berry
Quarter To Three - Gary U. S. Bonds
Revolution - The Beatles
Save the Last Dance for Me - The Drifters
Shop Around - The Miracles
Shotgun - Junior Walker and the All-Stars
Stay - Maurice Williams & the Zodiacs
Suite: Judy Blue Eyes - Crosby, Stills & Nash
Sunshine of Your Love - Cream
What Am I Living For - Conway Twitty
You've Really Got A Hold On Me - The Miracles
Ray Arthur
SavoyBG
>What Am I Living For - Conway Twitty
Where did this come from Ray?
A decent remake of the Willis classic, but hall of fame?
Sav...@aol.com
Nice list Ludovic, although I'm rooting against the Trashmen. I think
that's the first nomination for Arthur Alexander.
Sav...@aol.com
Yes, Mark made the same error recently in another post. "Up Around The
Bend" is from 1970.
Tregembo
"SavoyBG" <sav...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> >From: "Tregembo"
>
> >What Am I Living For - Conway Twitty
>
> Where did this come from Ray?
>
> A decent remake of the Willis classic, but hall of fame?
It came from me thinking it's one of the best singles of the '60's, as good
as or better than the original; which was a great record that I nominated in
the '50's contest.
Ray Arthur
PhillyGuy
1) Ask The Lonely - 4 Tops
2) Baby I Need Your Loving - 4 Tops
3) Can't Buy Me Love - The Beatles
4) Heat Wave - Martha & The Vandellas
5) Heroes And Villains - The Beach Boys
6) Hypnotized - Linda Jones
7) I Do Love You - Billy Stewart (1965)
8) I Don't Want To Cry - Chuck Jackson
9) I'd Rather Go Blind - Etta James
10) Lodi - Creedance Clearwater Revival
11) Look Through Any Window - The Hollies
12) Oh No, Not My Baby - Maxine Brown
13) Peace Of Mind - The Magnificent Men (Capitol)
14) Revolution - The Beatles
15) Rock and Roll Woman - Buffalo Springfield
16) Since I Lost My Baby - The Temptations
17) Solitary Man - Neil Diamond (Bang, 1966 - original folk-rock
version without slick chorus)
18) Somebody To Love - The Jefferson Airplane
19) There Is - The Dells
20) This Is My Prayer - Theola Kilgore (Serock, 1963)
21) Touch Me - The Doors
22) Walk Like A Man - 4 Seasons
23) Walk On By - Dionne Warwick
24) You Didn't Have To Be So Nice - The Lovin' Spoonful
25) You've Really Got A Hold On Me - The Miracles
end comment: Some of these may be lost causes, but for me that is way
too much beside the point. These records are so way beyond excellent,
each and every one, that really, really deserve on merit to be included
in any exclusive list of the best of the 60's.
My greatest disappointment, year after year, will be if one
Philadelphia's 5 most loved all-time records does not get in:
"Heat Wave" perhaps Motown's greatest recording after My Girl and I
Heard It Through The Grapevine.
-Tom Blumenthal
PhillyGuy
Greg Ioannou wrote:
> Davie Bowie -- Space Oddity
> Greg
'Scuse me, isn't this from the 70's?
-tom b.
Ludovic Delamare
This one is from 1959 actually. May I suggest "Non Je Ne Regrette Rien"
from 1961 ?
Mark Dintenfass
<ludovic.rl.d...@free.fr> wrote:
> > Edith Piaf -- Milord
>
> This one is from 1959 actually. May I suggest "Non Je Ne Regrette Rien"
> from 1961 ?
It's a great record, too.
Is Piaf still huge in France, Ludovic?
Len Blanks
> Greg Ioannou wrote:
>> Davie Bowie -- Space Oddity
> 'Scuse me, isn't this from the 70's?
No. Space Oddity/The Wild-Eyed Boy From Freecloud released in July
1969.
--
Len
Kill them all, God will know His own. -- Bishop of Angouleame, when asked how
to tell 'true believers' from 'heretics', during the Albigensian Crusades
SavoyBG
>"Heat Wave" perhaps Motown's greatest recording after My Girl and I
>Heard It Through The Grapevine.
>
perhaps not.
It's not even the greatest recording by that artist, "Dancing In The Street" is
much more significant.
SavoyBG
>PhillyGuy <tomfro...@yahoo.com> writes:
>
>> Greg Ioannou wrote:
>
>>> Davie Bowie -- Space Oddity
>
>> 'Scuse me, isn't this from the 70's?
>
>No. Space Oddity/The Wild-Eyed Boy From Freecloud released in July
>1969.
And a huge hit in England in 1969. It also made the "Bubbbling Under" chart on
Billboard in 1969, on the original US label, Mercury.
Greg Ioannou
"PhillyGuy" <tomfro...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Entered the British charts September 1969.
Greg
Greg Ioannou
"Mark Dintenfass" <mdint...@xxnew.rr.com> wrote in message
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> In article <mn.88ea7d511...@free.fr>, Ludovic Delamare
> <ludovic.rl.d...@free.fr> wrote:
>
> > > Edith Piaf -- Milord
> >
> > This one is from 1959 actually. May I suggest "Non Je Ne Regrette Rien"
> > from 1961 ?
>
> It's a great record, too.
>
> Is Piaf still huge in France, Ludovic?
Well, she's been dead a while now. But Milord is one of the most amazing
recordings of all. I never tire of it.
Greg
Greg Ioannou
"Ludovic Delamare" <ludovic.rl.d...@free.fr> wrote in message
news:mn.88ea7d511...@free.fr...
> > Edith Piaf -- Milord
>
> This one is from 1959 actually. May I suggest "Non Je Ne Regrette Rien"
> from 1961 ?
wow, I actually picked one that was too early?
No, that's the last of her hits that does anything for me.
Last song I cut was Helen Shapiro's "Not Responsible". I'll make it my 25th.
Greg
Ludovic Delamare
> In article <mn.88ea7d511...@free.fr>, Ludovic Delamare
> <ludovic.rl.d...@free.fr> wrote:
>
>>> Edith Piaf -- Milord
>>
>> This one is from 1959 actually. May I suggest "Non Je Ne Regrette Rien"
>> from 1961 ?
>
> It's a great record, too.
>
> Is Piaf still huge in France, Ludovic?
She's still admired and hugely respected. She's like a national legend
but clearly
a legend of the past. There is an Edith Piaf museum in Paris, a place
as well etc.
But you can rarely hear her songs on the radio. So I guess a lot of
young people
don't even know who she was. But the songs survive through cover
versions by other singers.
There was a trend a few years ago with singers releasing albums of
songs from the 40s and 50s
(a bit like Linda Ronstadt did) and of course, there are a few Piaf
songs included each time.
There was a lot of media coverage in 2003 for the 40th anniversary of
her death and a big marketing
campaign to sell a double CD compilation with 4 unreleased songs on it.
A researcher had found 6
unreleased songs lying in a library somewhere, 50 years after they've
been recorded !
The other two unreleased songs were available only in a limited edition
complete set featuring
413 songs. Don't know if the marketing campaign succeeded anyway.
PhillyGuy
Jerry Blavat, Joe "Butterball" Tamburro, Dick Fennesey, Jimmy Bishop
(well, he's not around anymore to ask), Joe Niagra (see Bishop
comment), Bob Charger, Tommy McCarthy, Georgie Woods, or any of the
guys that knew Philly's oldies, or those attending their record hops
THEN, and even now.
There is NO question which is the most played M&TV song ever in
Philadelphia. On Holiday's old soul show in the 70's and 80's on WDAS,
I'm pretty sure Love Makes Me Do Foolish Things, Nowhere To Run, and
probably Quicksand got more airplay than Dancin' In The Street too.
Quicksand was usually the stand in for a Martha & The Vandellas oldies
spin when Heat Wave may have been played too much that day or recently
on old Wibbage as well.
I pretty sure these would be the most played M&TV songs in oldie-dom as
well as newie-dom combined, by all Philadelphia programmers:
Heat Wave
Jimmy Mack
Quicksand
Nowhere To Run
Love Makes Me Do Foolish Things
in most of the decades where I listened. Then maybe you heard DITS,
then Third Finger, Left Hand, and then maybe something like My Baby
Loves Me or In My Lonely Room.
Heat Wave is a brilliant original work of creative genius. The energy
that scorching tempo is positively unique.
By the way, I believe HW may have been a #1 on WABC, whereas DITS
certainly never got higher than #4 or #5. I may be willing to go into
77 radio nostalgia site to verify that for you.
Naturally, in the movie "Standing In The Shadows Of Motown", there are
good reasons why "Heat Wave" was chosen to be recreated there (with all
the loyal panache and verve worthy of the original and sung by a more
than ready Joan Osborne) by the Funk Brothers. It's something they
are quite proud of.
-tb
Bob Roman
Baby I Need Some Loving - The Four Tops
Baby It's Cold Outside - Ray Charles & Betty Carter
Cold Sweat - James Brown
Dancing In the Streets - Martha & the Vandellas
He's a Rebel - The Crystals
Hey Jude - The Beatles
Homeward Bound - Simon & Garfunkel
I Got You (I Feel Good) - James Brown
I've Been Loving You Too Long - Otis Redding
It's All Right - The Impressions
My Generation - The Who
(You Make Me Feel Like) A Natural Woman - Aretha Franklin
Ode To Billie Joe - Bobbie Gentry
On Broadway - The Drifters
Ooo Baby Baby - The Miracles
Pinball Wizard - The Who
Pipeline - The Chantays
Positively 4th Street - Bob Dylan
Promised Land - Chuck Berry
There Is - The Dells
Think - Aretha Franklin
Ticket to Ride - The Beatles
Time Is Tight - Booker T & the MG's
Try a Little Tenderness - Otis Redding
Unchain My Heart - Ray Charles
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SavoyBG
>Try telling that to any of the major Philly jocks of yore (Hy Lit,
>Jerry Blavat, Joe "Butterball" Tamburro, Dick Fennesey, Jimmy Bishop
>(well, he's not around anymore to ask), Joe Niagra (see Bishop
>comment), Bob Charger, Tommy McCarthy, Georgie Woods, or any of the
>guys that knew Philly's oldies, or those attending their record hops
>THEN, and even now.
>
>There is NO question which is the most played M&TV song ever in
>Philadelphia. On Holiday's old soul show in the 70's and 80's on WDAS,
>I'm pretty sure Love Makes Me Do Foolish Things, Nowhere To Run, and
>probably Quicksand got more airplay than Dancin' In The Street too.
>
>Quicksand was usually the stand in for a Martha & The Vandellas oldies
>spin when Heat Wave may have been played too much that day or recently
>on old Wibbage as well.
>
>I pretty sure these would be the most played M&TV songs in oldie-dom as
>well as newie-dom combined, by all Philadelphia programmers:
>
>Heat Wave
>Jimmy Mack
>Quicksand
>Nowhere To Run
>Love Makes Me Do Foolish Things
When you start a Philadelphia radio hall of fame it might be a different story,
but in most circles "Dancing In The Street" is the much more respected record.
On the recent Rolling Stone top 500, voted on by a few huindred musicians,
industry people, critics, etc.."Dancing In The Street" is # 40, and "Heat Wave"
is NOT even on the list.
I'm well familiar with how big "Heat Wave" is in Philly, but things have always
been unique there.
SavoyBG
>Dancing In the Streets - Martha & the Vandellas
Why does everybody think that it's "Streets?"
It's "Dancing In The Street."
Rolling Stone has it wrong too.
>I've Been Loving You Too Long - Otis Redding
Have you ever even heard the single version of this.....very different from the
LP version that's on most CDs nowadays. Not sure if even the Stax box set has
the correct 45 version.
>Pipeline - The Chantays
Here's one that I just don't get. It's not much different than "Popcorn" by Hot
Butter.
Len Blanks
>> From: Bob Roman
>> Dancing In the Streets - Martha & the Vandellas
> Why does everybody think that it's "Streets?"
> It's "Dancing In The Street."
> Rolling Stone has it wrong too.
They probably thought it was a reference to Mike Skinner.
--
Len
You play someone a great record and they don't react to it; you know
it's time to get them out of your house -- Miriam Linna
JL
Along Comes Mary - The Association
Day Tripper - The Beatles
Girl Don't Come - Sandie Shaw
Heroes And Villains - The Beach Boys
It's All Right - The Impressions
Let's Go, Let's Go, Let's Go - Hank Ballard & the Midnighters
Revolution - The Beatles
River Deep Mountain High - Ike And Tina Turner
Surfin' Bird - The Trashmen
Talk Talk - The Music Machine
Space Oddity - David Bowie
My Generation - The Who
The Letter - The Box Tops
Hungry - Paul Revere And The Raiders
I Had Too Much To Dream Last Night - The Electric Prunes
Journey To The Center Of The Mind - The Amboy Dukes
Pushin' Too Hard - The Seeds
Alone Again Or - Love
Ask The Lonely - Four Tops
Hypnotized - Linda Jones
Hit The Road Jack - Ray Charles
2+2=? - Bob Seger System
Bernadette - Four Tops
God Only Knows - Beach Boys
Laugh, Laugh - Beau Brummels
alternate choice:
Sugar Mountain - Neil Young
That's It!
Julio
Bob Roman
>>From: Bob Roman
>>Pipeline - The Chantays
>
>Here's one that I just don't get. It's not much different than "Popcorn" by Hot
>Butter.
Really? I don't hear it. "Popcorn" sounds like a novelty.
"Pipeline" sounds like the perfect '60s R&R instrumental.
Bob Roman
Mark Dintenfass
<ludovic.rl.d...@free.fr> wrote:
Thank you.
> 413 songs. Don't know if the marketing campaign succeeded anyway.
--
SavoyBG
>Really? I don't hear it. "Popcorn" sounds like a novelty.
>"Pipeline" sounds like the perfect '60s R&R instrumental.
That's just it, "Pipeline" sounds like a novelty to me. It sounds like
something that you hear in the background of an action movie or something.
"Green Onions" is by far the best 60s rock and roll instrumental, but if you
want to eliminate the R & B oriented records I'd go with "Walk Don't Run" or
"Wild Weekend" or "Memphis" by Lonnie Mack or "Wipe Out" as being much better
rock and roll instrumentals than the dull "Pipeline."
Bob Roman
>That's just it, "Pipeline" sounds like a novelty to me. It sounds like
>something that you hear in the background of an action movie or something.
The background music of an action movie is supposed to be exciting and
get your blood pulsing. "Pipeline" does that.
>"Green Onions" is by far the best 60s rock and roll instrumental, but if you
>want to eliminate the R & B oriented records I'd go with "Walk Don't Run" or
>"Wild Weekend" or "Memphis" by Lonnie Mack or "Wipe Out" as being much better
>rock and roll instrumentals than the dull "Pipeline."
"Green Onions" is beyond perfection.
I like the others you mention, but not as much as "Pipeline." "Wipe
Out" sounds closer to the novelty status you talked about, even
without the demented opening.
Bob Roman
Sav...@aol.com
Bob Roman wrote:
> On 17 Jan 2005 15:53:01 GMT, sav...@aol.com (SavoyBG) wrote:
>
> >That's just it, "Pipeline" sounds like a novelty to me. It sounds
like
> >something that you hear in the background of an action movie or
something.
>
> The background music of an action movie is supposed to be exciting
and
> get your blood pulsing. "Pipeline" does that.
But the background music in an action movie is almost never "rcok and
roll," and I don't see any difference with "Pipeline."
It certainly doesn't "rock" nearly as much as "Wipe Out" or "Walk,
Don't Run."
You said ""Pipeline" sounds like the perfect '60s R&R instrumental."
I don't really see it as astrong "rock and roll" record. It's closer
to "Peter Gunn" by Mancini than it is to rock and roll.
Todd Lucas
Let's Go Let's Go Let's Go - Hank Ballard & the Midnighters
Shakin' All Over - Johnny Kidd & the Pirates
New Orleans - U.S. Bonds
You Can't Sit Down - Philip Upchurch Combo
Mercy Mercy - Don Covay & the Goodtimers
Do You Love Me - The Contours
Surfin' Bird - The Trashmen
California Sun - The Rivieras
I Saw Her Standing There - The Beatles
I'll Feel A Whole Lot Better - The Byrds
Land of 1000 Dances - Wilson Pickett
You Didn't Have To Be So Nice - The Lovin' Spoonful
The Kids Are Alright - The Who
I'm A Man - The Yardbirds
Psychotic Reaction - The Count Five
Talk Talk - The Music Machine
Let's Spend The Night Together - The Rolling Stones
Friday On My Mind - The Easybeats
Hanky Panky - Tommy James & the Shondells
Shotgun - Jr. Walker & the All-Stars
Tell Her No - The Zombies
Pushin' Too Hard - The Seeds
Darlin' - The Beach Boys
Just Like Me - Paul Revere & the Raiders
Double Shot - The Swingin' Medallions
Todd
Todd Lucas
>roll instrumental, but if you want to eliminate the
>R & B oriented records I'd go with "Walk Don't
>Run" or "Wild Weekend" or "Memphis" by
>Lonnie Mack or "Wipe Out" as being much
>better rock and roll instrumentals than the dull
>"Pipeline."
I think "Pipeline" is a pretty good record, although I agree there are
lots better 60's instros, even surf releated ones, "Miserlou" for
example. Of his hits, I'd take "Wham!" from Lonnie Mack.
Todd
Todd Lucas
Yow, good choice. Sorry I didn't think of it.
Todd
Eric Ramon
SavoyBG wrote:
> That's just it, "Pipeline" sounds like a novelty to me. It sounds
like
> something that you hear in the background of an action movie or
something.
'Cause it's been copied to the point where the original sounds like a
cliche.
Here are mine. I'm shocked that Ticket To Ride isn't already in. Maybe
it is and I missed it....
Ticket To Ride - The Beatles
Talk Talk - Music Machine
Girl Don't Come - Sandie Shaw
Save the Last Dance for Me - Drifters
Function at the Junction - Shorty Long
Gee Baby I'm Sorry - The Three Degrees
I'm Alive - The Hollies
I Say a Little Prayer - Aretha Franklin
You Were on My Mind - We Five
Shop Around - The Miracles
Beechwood 4-5789 - The Marvelettes
Walk On By - Dionne Warwick
Baby Please Don't Go - Them
-Eric
PhillyGuy
I will modify what I previously said. Heat Wave was #34 for 1963 on
WABC (this is New York only we're talking about - but it did make an
electrifying jump from #18 to #5 from one week to the next on its way
up the charts), but Dancin' In The Street was #19 in the year of its
season on the 77's charts.
Point #2 I'll concede, is that now in this way past the original era of
oldies, in the revival, where out of town jocks (and programmers who
don't program it like it used to be on old Wibbage) and those who did
not grow up in Philly have been brought in, WOGL-FM's sound is much
more generic and less Philly-centric more than ever before and more and
more. Hy Lit is just about retired. Harvey Holiday has an influence,
but not much beyond his show, and Robert Pantano even less so. Even
Mike St. John, who was a Johnny-come-lately to Philly's particulars in
oldies in the 70's did learn and respect the local tastes very well but
was given the boot a few years ago. I requested RB's
very-large-in-Philly "Just Once In My Life" a while back one time, and
was told it's not approved for airplay, so they couldn't play if for
me, even by McCarthy. Mike St. John would have played that record.
WOGL is becoming cookie-cutter. Do it have to sound like any other CBS
outlet? Is Philly's station supposed to be programmed like WCBS in NY
now?
So now, since 1987, it is possible that Dancin' In The Streets is
played as if it were the 2nd most popular record ever by M&TV in
Philadelphia, because we don't have jockeys that play 'em like Niagra,
Lit, and yes, Holiday, and all the others, on WDAS and WHAT and
especially as it was on old Wibbage, which once garnered 45% of the
entire radio listening audience as late as 1965, which went its own
way, for better or worse, as the main white station back in the 60's.
The Philly sounds I made of list of (in comparison to WABC-favored
records a few weeks ago), are heard less and less. WOGL is resembling
WABC of old more and more - conservative, and limited. It even plays
WABC type oldies like "You Didn't Have To Be So Nice" a lot (which I
admit I love), but that was not a top 10 record on Wibbage. Only
Philly-centric oldie they seem to play is God Only Knows (major
rotation for an oldie) by the Hawthorne kids. Good luck if you want to
hear "Maybe You'll Be There" by Billy & The Essentials. Maybe on the
forgotten record of the day feature. You never hear major Seasons hit
here "Marlena" (which sure got a lot of airplay back in the 60's, even
as a 60's oldie), but you can here "Who Loves You" till it's coming out
your ear. "Bila" by The Versatones, a huge oldie for years,
fuhgettaboutitt. For intents and purposes, Philly radio, as we knew
it, is dead.
Point #3 Rolling Stone magazine list is only relatively hip. Phil
Spector, back in days when he may have been a little less insane (the
60's) than now, always thought Philadelphia was a remarkable place to
hear hip sounds, and admired jockeys like Jerry Blavat because they
made listening interesting. A record is not better because they chose
it. They are not the last word in hip, and you know that Bruce. The
only thing that can be said is that it is more influential,
and their endorsement of DITS makes that record more influential.
People hear what they hear, even famous critics.
Even stations that play very hip records like "Tears Of A Clown" do not
necessarily have a hip format. A few hip records (even the large
masses of listeners get a few things right once in awhile - the
mathematical odds are against EVERY hip record being passed over by the
public) do NOT a hip radio station make.
WPEN-AM is a slight improvement on WOGL, but not much. Much is lost.
Oh, by the way, "Heat Wave" is easily, and no contest the way better
record. DITS, a great record in a general way, is not in its class.
End of discussion.
-Tom
"He who has ears to hear, let him hear" - Jesus
Sav...@aol.com
Eric Ramon wrote:
> SavoyBG wrote:
> > That's just it, "Pipeline" sounds like a novelty to me. It sounds
> like
> > something that you hear in the background of an action movie or
> something.
>
> 'Cause it's been copied to the point where the original sounds like a
> cliche.
What records would you consider to be "copies" of "Pileline?"
If you mean it was copied as in similar styled instrumentals being used
in movies, than it illustrates my point about the record not really
being rock and roll.
Sav...@aol.com
PhillyGuy wrote:
> Oh, by the way, "Heat Wave" is easily, and no contest the way better
> record. DITS, a great record in a general way, is not in its class.
> End of discussion.
No quite the end Tom.
Outside of Philadelphia's unique dance scene, where all white crowds
dance to all black music in pretty much segregated dances still to this
day, I don't see any evidence that "Heat Wave" is thought of as a
better record than "Dancing In The Street." (Street, not streets, Tom)
What you or I personally think doesn't mean much here, in fact, IMO,
the best Vandellas record BY FAR is "Come And Get These Memories."
Tregembo
<Sav...@aol.com> wrote
>
> What you or I personally think doesn't mean much here,
Is that in the Charter? That needs to be in the damn charter :)
Ray Arthur
Eric Ramon
Savo...@aol.com wrote:
>
> What records would you consider to be "copies" of "Pileline?"
>
> If you mean it was copied as in similar styled instrumentals being
used
> in movies, than it illustrates my point about the record not really
> being rock and roll.
Yes, generic "surf" sound in a minor key. I'd agree it's not rock 'n
roll like Little Richard or Rolling Stones but I don't know what else
to call it. It's not pop exactly. It's some kind of mood piece.
One big advantage of the tune is that it could be played by just about
all bands, for those gigs at high school and junior highs.
-Eric
PhillyGuy
We also need the levity and wit of this type of thing, and the people
who supply it, Ray, which deflates the pompous around here.
That should be in charter, if it could be, 2. :)
P.S. - gotta like your name Ray, reminds me of one Doug Arthur, former
WIBG air jockey, although of before R&R format flip. A Wibbage
reminder nonetheless.
SavoyBG
> I'd agree it's not rock 'n
>roll like Little Richard or Rolling Stones but I don't know what else
>to call it. It's not pop exactly. It's some kind of mood piece.
A "mood piece" sounds like a better description to me than Roman's terming it
the "perfect 60s rock and roll instrumental."
Whatever it is, I don't see anything great about it, it's a rather ordinary
instrumental that is no better than hundreds of other hit instrumentals from
the 60s IMO.
>One big advantage of the tune is that it could be played by just about
>all bands, for those gigs at high school and junior highs.
So it's easy to play for even novice musicians.
SavoyBG
>P.S. - gotta like your name Ray, reminds me of one Doug Arthur, former
>WIBG air jockey, although of before R&R format flip. A Wibbage
>reminder nonetheless.
>
Tom, you go on and on about Philly radio as though there's something noble
about it.
Most of those guys were crooks, and of course Blavat is a knowm mafia
associate.
I know you grew up with these guys and have emotional ties to them, but let's
be honest here, Philadelphia is a shit city, one of the most racist places to
live down through the years, and there's no big nobility about a song being
popular there.
There's a big world out there outside of your Hy Lits, Joe Niagras, and Geaters
witrh the Heaters.
Blavat wasn't too happy with me one night in his club in Margate, after I
corrected him on the air during a live broadcast. He had asked a trivia
question about the song "Twist And Shout" and then incorrectly stated that the
Beatles single was issued on Capitol Records. I shouted out that he was wrong,
that the record was on Tollie. When he went to a commercial he stormed past me
and stared me down with real nasty look on his face.
Tregembo
"SavoyBG" <sav...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20050117231019...@mb-m26.aol.com...
What's next Bruce, are you going to start denigrating the marvelous Philly
talents of Frankie, Bobby, Fabian and Ernest?
Ray Arthur
SavoyBG
>What's next Bruce, are you going to start denigrating the marvelous Philly
>talents of Frankie, Bobby, Fabian and Ernest?
I'm surprised that Tom isn't blasting Fabian rather than the Monkees. Talk
about a non-musician making records.
pa...@perfectmail.com
A Well-Respected Man - Kinks
Always Something There to Remind Me - Sandie Shaw
Anyway, Anyhow, Anywhere - The Who
Come See About Me - The Supremes
Dead End Street - Kinks
(Do I Figure) In Your Life - Honeybus
Don't Bring Me Down - Pretty Things
Don't Let Me Be Misunderstood - Animals
Here Comes the Night - Them
Heroes And Villains - The Beach Boys
I Can't See Nobody - Bee Gees
I Know a Place - Petula Clark
It's My Life - Animals
Lady Madonna - Beatles
Postively Fourth Street - Bob Dylan
Psychotic Reaction - Count Five
See Emily Play - Pink Floyd
Sorrow - Merseys
Sunny Afternoon - The Kinks
Surfin' Bird - The Trashmen
Tell Me Why - The Beatles
The First Cut Is The Deepest - P. P. Arnold
The Sun Ain't Gonna Shine Anymore - Walker Bros
Time Has Come Today - Chamber Bros
Walk Away Renee - Left Banke
------------------------------------------------
Tregembo
"SavoyBG" <sav...@aol.com> wrote
>
> Tom, you go on and on about Philly radio as though there's something noble
> about it.
There's nothing "noble" about R & R radio anywhere, not just Phila. But
there was something special about Philly radio in the '50's - '70's.
> Most of those guys were crooks, and of course Blavat is a knowm mafia
> associate.
There were a couple of crooks but no more than in any other major market,
and quite frankly they all learned payola from the esteemed Alan Freed.
As for Blavat's mob ties he's never been closer than the average South
Philly bartender or James Gandolfini. He's a wannabe. He tried to arrange
a hit on Hy Lit and they laughed at him.
<snip>
> Blavat wasn't too happy with me one night in his club in Margate, after
I
> corrected him on the air during a live broadcast. He had asked a trivia
> question about the song "Twist And Shout" and then incorrectly stated that
the
> Beatles single was issued on Capitol Records. I shouted out that he was
wrong,
> that the record was on Tollie. When he went to a commercial he stormed
past me
> and stared me down with real nasty look on his face.
I'd put a couple of pebbles on the hood of my car at night if I were you
Bruce :)
Ray Arthur
SavoyBG
pa...@perfectmail.com
Stupid Beatles, it would have been a surefire hit. In that case, I'll
substitute Jackie DeShannon's "When You Walk in the Room."
-- Parry
jgmc...@my-dejanews.com
Bob Roman wrote:
> Now is time to vote on a fourth class of Great 1960s Singles.
Hey, are we voting for "singles" or "songs", here? What are you doing
with double-sided singles, particularly Hey Jude/Revolution?
Assuming we are talking songs, here are my nominees:
Build Me Up Buttercup - Foundations
Cherry, Cherry - Neil Diamond
Da Doo Ron Ron - Crystals
Down on the Corner - CCR
Fever - Peggy Lee
Fingerprints, pt. 2 - Stevie Wonder
Grazing in the Grass - Hugh Masekela
Help! - The Beatles
Honky Tonk Women - Rolling Stones
I Can't Get Next to You - Temptations
I Got You (I Feel Good) - James Brown
I Want You Back - Jackson Five
I'm A Believer - Monkees
Loco-Motion - Little Eva
Memphis - Johnny Rivers
Mrs. Robinson - Simon and Garfunkel
My Generation - The Who
Piece of My Heart - Janis Joplin (Big Brother & the Holding Company)
Revolution - The Beatles
Runaround Sue - Dion
Sugar Sugar - Archies
The Sound of Silence - Simon and Garfunkel
Ticket to Ride - The Beatles
Wichita Lineman - Glen Campbell
Wipeout - Surfaris
JGM
SavoyBG
>Fever - Peggy Lee
This is from 1958.
>The Sound of Silence - Simon and Garfunkel
This is already inducted.
PhillyGuy
Bruce,
Blavat is yes a known crime associate with the local mob. I don't know
him personally, and I don't have so much a personal vestiture in those
individuals on radio, but he was the only one I heard of being a crook
- with the exception of Dick Clark (who could rightly be said to be a
disc (record) jockey in his own right in Philadelphia) and his brush
with the Payola scandal back in 1959. My vestiture is with the music.
Harvey Holiday seems pretty clean by all appearances, and Joe Niagara
was a nice guy. You seem to like to tar with a pretty broad brush.
Holiday took on Blavat exactly opposite him in a time slot for a major
oldies (soul and doo-wop mainly) show and beat him badly in the ratings
so that Jerry's show was dropped. He used to mention (slightly brag)
about that back in the 70's and early 80's, but Blavat didn't have him
bummped off
or even have Sylvester Stallone break his thumb. A co-worker once told
me he was the biggest creep you wanted to meet. It may all be true;
I've heard too many things. Joe "Butterball" Tamburro seems like a
genuine humanitarian, a white guy with a black wife who has embraced
black causes in the city, although he is a businessman first. Holiday
has been friends of sorts (I don't know what sorts) with Blavat long
after their radio duel days of the early 70's. They both collaborated
on putting out (locally) an oldies album together of rare (then) old
soul, one side his and the other side Blavat's picks. Lit and Blavat
had a major public spat that made the Inquirer front page in the early
90's.
But Jerry has always played records you could hear nowhere else. I
have no brief to promote their enterprises of any of them. I just
liked the way they all educated the greater Philly listening public on
sounds you weren't getting on other stations. My only major beef with
Wibbage, as I said, was their tendency to receive with way too much
skepticism the first record or two of many acts on the way to stardom,
and underplay or even downplay them, and most of all for playing and
promoting music so unbecoming of their own personal tastes, that of
Herman's Hermits way beyond what was necessary. Maybe it was their sop
to the young teenage girls that made up their listening audience,
uncharacteristically frequent among some the heavier soul and British
invasion records of the day (read: Stones, etc.).
You can find racism in Chicago (the late Martin Luther King made that
the main target city of his mission outside of the South - spending
more time there than anywhere else in the north, whenever he carried
his mission outside of the South(why, because he felt the work was
needed there, apparently); Los Angeles has had 3 major MAJOR urban
riots since the mid-60's to present day to Detroit's one in 1967, all
of which were searing events lasting days with an unbelievable scale of
destruction and scarring of race relations. Why does a predominantly
black NBA team, the Pistons, have its new arena built in the suburbs
(Auburn Hills, Michigan). Wouldn't whites come downtown to Cobo Hall
or a downtown arena? Or wouldn't (won't) they? When LA last erupted
in a major urban riot in the 90's, many other cities erupted on a
smaller scale of unrest, like Atlanta and Seattle, to name only a
couple, but there were several "sympathy riot zones" across the country
in other major cities, but not Philadelphia. Philly was quiet while LA
rioted for days, in large part due to good police-community relations
work, it was attributed to at the time. There was no "sympathy" riot
here.
Sure Philly has a large number of murders every year; but last year
the rate dropped for NY, Philly and Chicago, maybe even Los Angeles.
But the Associated Press reports murder is up in Detroit, St. Louis,
and Baltimore for 2004. Washington, D.C. has the largest per capita
murder rate in the nation. Los Angeles is the original home of the
Crips and Bloods, and still has the largest gang problem in the nation.
Houston has historically had the worst police brutality rep in the
nation. Atlanta's subways and elevated trains have to stop at the
Fulton County lines, because its suburbs (unlike Washington, DC's)
don't want the subways bringing "urban problems" to their counties. In
Minneapolis, some when asked about the living in the nation's most
frigid (lower 48) state, like to say that (that kind of) the cold keeps
out the "riff-raff". Cleveland, it was pointed out during the recent
Presidential debates, by the moderator in the Cleveland series for the
VP's, stated that Cleveland was the nation's poorest big city. Don't
the suburbs want to share the wealth there? Hmmm? Cincinnati
has huge problems, and had the nation's last major urban riot, when the
police
killed a black man under questionable (was it necessary or needed)
circumstances.
There is a lot of unrest there. I don't have to tell you about New
York City's situation over the years if you read the local papers
there. About a man killed a few years back, run over on one of the
limited-access highways trying to run away from people of another race
chasing him. Even reverse racism in Brooklyn, where some young blacks
once boasted (in relation to some difficult relations between bordering
black and orthodox Jewish neighborhoods) that they "wanted to get
themselves a Jew!" I'm sure you may remember the innocent black
immigrant in the Bronx shot by nervous trigger-finger NY police,
subject to a Bruce Springsteen song, or the the torture of a black
interrogation subject anally by NY police.
Smaller cities in America are not immune to major problems, too, even
oft-complimented Boston, witness:
QUOTE from Christian Science Monitor last fall:
...............................................................................
Murder rates rising, cities respond
Cities urge vigilance and community interaction to stem rising gang
violence.
Article appeared in the August 11, 2004 edition.
By Sara B. Miller | Staff writer of The Christian Science Monitor
BOSTON - A recent spate of gun violence - including two incidents
that dozens of children at city parks witnessed - has shaken Boston
neighborhoods, leaving residents stunned and police and community
leaders scrambling for a solution.
Already this year, the city has recorded more homicides than last
year's total of 41. More worrisome still are the victims' ages: To
date, 23 people under age 24 have been killed. Experts say that gangs
and drugs are likely culprits.
"I don't know what kids are thinking - kids killing kids," says
Kathleen Jones, a resident of Boston's Roxbury neighborhood. She had
brought 6 of her 10 grandchildren to a ribbon-cutting ceremony of a
local playground last week. Hours earlier, a 15-year-old was grazed by
a bullet in a nearby park while waiting for a pizza.
Ms. Jones is not alone in her disbelief. Urban centers nationwide, from
Denver to Durham, N.C., are seeing a resurgence of gang activity and
are struggling for ways to cope.
According to a report released by "Fight Crime: Invest in Kids," a
group of 2,000 sheriffs, prosecutors, and crime survivors, youth-gang
related homicides were up more than 50 percent from 1999 to 2002, the
last year data is available.
In both Chicago and Los Angeles, gang activity accounts for
approximately half of all homicides. But there is growing evidence that
groups are also percolating in smaller urban areas, pushing up murder
rates.
· Denver recorded its 49th homicide Aug. 4, which represents a 69
percent increase from the same period a year ago. Tim Twining, chief
deputy of the gang unit in the district attorney's office in Denver,
says the city has seen a spike in newer and younger gang members. A
database currently lists 6,300 members in the area.
· In Durham, N.C., police say that at least half of the city's
murders can be attributed to gangs, which have an estimated 3,000
members. The police department recently increased the number of
officers in the gang resistance unit from seven to 20.
· Two months ago an antigang task force was established in northern
Virginia, where Capt. John Crawford of the Alexandria Police Department
says gang activity has been up throughout the region. The Northern
Virginia Regional Gang Task Force spans many suburbs outside Washington
D.C.
Prosecutors, community leaders, and academics say that less funding
and, perhaps more important, a settled complacency - since crime
numbers in many cities began to dip in the late 1990s - have left
fertile ground for gangs to develop and expand.
"Ceaseless vigilance is the only way to protect communities from the
destruction of gangs," says Mr. Twining. He says gang crime has
resurfaced in recent years as antigang initiatives have been stripped
back. Otherwise, he says, diminishing the destruction of gangs is like
trying to tackle a waterbed. "You push down on one side, and the other
side pops up. And you push down, and something else pops up."
A frightening scene for kids
In Boston, the daylight shooting of a basketball coach in front of his
team of 11- to 15-year-olds, and the wounding of an 11-year-old during
a tryout for a Pop Warner football team a week later, have been
particularly unnerving for city residents this summer. "These were not
kids involved in a rumble," says Sandy Martin, coordinator of the South
End/Lower Roxbury Youth Workers' Alliance. "Parents generally feel OK
if [their kids] are in at night, or with a large group. ....This is a
different level."
Many experts say they are not surprised by surges in gang activity
across the country. James Fox, a criminologist at Northeastern
University in Boston who provided data for the recent "Stop Crime:
Invest in Kids" report, says the confluence of many factors are at
play.
There are more "at-risk" youths in neighborhoods, gang members have
been released from prison back into society, more police resources go
to national security rather than neighborhood crime, and many young
people can't find jobs. "Young recruits weren't around 15 years ago, to
witness the fact that joining a gang could mean an early grave," Mr.
Fox says.
So they turn to the perceived security that gangs offer. "Gangs are
exciting, status-conferring. [Young people] get protection, notoriety,
a bond with other people," Fox says. "When you stop paying attention,
[crime] rebounds, particularly with youth violence. There's a new
generation of teenagers every five years."
In Durham, police have ratcheted up efforts to stem waves of gang
violence. On Monday, Police Chief Steve Chalmers announced a new
antigun effort aimed in part to thwart the increase in gang violence.
In Durham County, where 84 percent of the drug-trafficking is run by
gangs, finances are troubling. The sheriff loudly complained this
summer when a request to build a gang task force failed to make it into
the budget.
Cities across the country have tried different methods to bring
homicide rates, and gang violence, to a minimum. In Milwaukee, where
the murder rate to date is 54, compared to 61 at the same time last
year, a community police effort has been put in place, which is
intended to bridge the police to local residents, including the faith
community.
In Cincinnati, local authorities are experimenting with a show of force
in troubled neighborhoods. Since last year, the police department has
sent 100 extra cops to violent-prone spots across the city for a couple
days each month.
The move is a response to a homicide rate that has increased every year
since 2000. To date the city has recorded 46 homicides, up from 40 in
the same period the year before. Sgt. Lisa Thomas says most of it is
drug rather than gang-related.
Boston has tried its own version of community policing. In the late
1980s and early 1990s, when residents faced gun battles on the streets
all too often, David Kennedy of Harvard University helped create
"Operation Ceasefire." The strategy was simple, he says: Police and
street workers focused on, and punished, the whole group, instead of
going after certain individuals.
In 1990, the murder rate in Boston had spiked to 152. In 1999, it was
down to 31. And the youth homicide rate went down by two-thirds. The
strategy was later deemed a national model and as many as a dozen
cities, from Rochester, N.Y., to Stockton, Calif., have implemented
similar models since then. "Lots of other places have made this work,
and where you do stick with it, it pays off," he says.
Boston, like other cities, has backed down from those initiatives,
though. In response to recent violence, police announced "Operation
Neighborhood Shield" Friday night, in which state police, the FBI, and
other federal agencies have increased patrols across the city.
Fifty-four people were arrested over the weekend.
Meanwhile, Boston Mayor Thomas Menino is closing city parks down at 11
p.m., is working with community leaders to expand youth programs across
the city, and is planning on using camera surveillance to monitor
activity in the city's "hot spots," according to spokesman Seth Gitell.
Many community leaders call this a band-aid that, although welcome,
doesn't address deeper issues. Ms. Martin says that more youth
programs, especially those that break down "turf" issues for
neighborhood children, are needed to build the confidence in
adolescents to choose not to join gangs.
The community is also integral to help witnesses step forward, a
chronic problem for prosecutors of gang violence. "There is a fear of
retaliation, particularly if [residents] end up being called as
witnesses in a court trial," says Alfred Blumstein, a criminologist at
Carnegie Mellon University in Pittsburgh.
This silence is something the Rev. Ray Hammond, cofounder of the Ten
Point Coalition, which began intervening in Boston's gang problem in
1992, knows well. He is working with communities to increase efforts
begun in May, such as "cease-fire meetings" with potential gang members
and home visits with at-risk teens. On Friday night, he walked around
communities talking to residents outside, a weekly event that he hopes
more churches will become involved in.
"In the community, people know who is causing on the trouble," he says.
"What we learn is to be patient.... We are not going to be run off the
playground."
On the beat in Boston
At Ramsay Park, where the basketball coach was gunned down, Sgt. Karen
Ahren of the Boston Municipal Police says one of their major concerns
is getting the community to come forward.
"People are saying, 'It's hard for us to come forward and talk to you
guys, because then we'll get a knock on our door.'" Nearby a memorial
of candles, teddy bears, and letters draws passersby. On a tree a sign
reads, "Stop the Violence."
Alden Cadwell, a summer camp director at Carter Playground, where the
11-year-old was hit by a stray bullet, says some parents pulled their
children out of his camp immediately, but most did not.
On a recent afternoon, a police car patrolled the field where children
played kick ball and football. It was a typical summer day.
Almost.
· Patrik Jonsson contributed to this report from North Carolina.
www.csmonitor.com
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QUOTE.....
So when you want to say Philly is a this city or that city in your own
very excrementious way of putting it, we have problems no doubt, but so
do other places, some more, some less. What makes an (excrementious)
place to live? Maybe (excrementious) individuals. I'll say this, the
place you live is not enobled by crude or callous people, and would you
bet me you don't have racist individuals as well in your town, or
immediately surrounding ones? Oh, so we've been talking urban, haven't
we? Guess where Ku Klux Klan or White Supremacist Nation type of
activity takes place? Yes, right in the C&W heartland, be it North
Carolina or Idaho or Oregon for higher volume activity, especially
RURAL NC, ID, AL, TN, MT, etc. Those groups get a lot of opposition
and heat if and whenever they try to visit Philadelphia or its suburbs.
So your singling out Philadelphia for racism specifically, as if it
exists here worse than anywhere else in the United States, is bullcrap
of the first and highest order. Bruce leaves another big stinking mess
on the newsgroup floor. Aren't you proud of yourself?
jgmc...@my-dejanews.com
My mistake; was it first out on LP in '60?
> >The Sound of Silence - Simon and Garfunkel
>
> This is already inducted.
I see it now. Spelled wrong on the website, though.
Bob, please substitute Homeward Bound for this one, and, um, Sunshine
Superman by Donovan for the other.
JGM
PhillyGuy
black-oriented stations like WDAS and WUSL, where he had the
highest-rated oldies or music show in town for many, many years, to
white stations like WOGL or WIOQ and WFIL before that, Harvey Holiday
never EVER played Chubby Checker. I have never heard a Chubby Checker
record EVER played by Blavat or Holiday on shows they had full control
of, on what they could play, in my whole life of listening in
Philadelphia.
Yes, we are proud of Sigma Sound Studios, Gamble and Huff, Thom Bell,
Linda Creed
and many native and outside the area acts who came to record with them.
The Dick Clark who promoted those guys you talk about left town in
1964 didn't he? Why drag up stuff that ended 40 years ago?
Tom
Bob Roman
>Hey, are we voting for "singles" or "songs", here? What are you doing
>with double-sided singles, particularly Hey Jude/Revolution?
This was discussed when the "singles wing" was first proposed. It was
decided that, technically, we are inducting SIDES of singles.
"Don't Be Cruel" and "Hound Dog" have since been inducted separately,
as have "Don't Worry Baby" and "I Get Around."
Bob Roman
jgmc...@my-dejanews.com
OK, great. When I pulled together my list (before looking at other
nominees) I figured "Hey Jude" would get a lot more nominations than
"Revolution" but they look to be about equal. Of the ones I nominated,
I think "Honky Tonk Women" had "You Can't Always Get What You Want" as
a B-Side, and I think "Down on the Corner" was also a B-side or part of
a double-A sider.
JGM
Greg Ioannou
<jgmc...@my-dejanews.com> wrote in message
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> Bob, please substitute Homeward Bound for this one, and, um, Sunshine
> Superman by Donovan for the other.
Interesting. They were the last two cuts from my list.
Greg
jgmc...@my-dejanews.com
"Sunshine Superman" got an unfair advantage with me because it
featured prominently in a great NPR feature last week on Jimmy Page's
studio work prior to Zeppelin, and it's been in my head ever since.
Plus I really think the '60s list needs some flower power. . .
I've been meaning to point out the NPR segment here, it looks like it
can be found at:
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4278540
>From the NPR blurb:
The Pre-Zeppelin Jimmy Page
by Ed Ward
Fresh Air from WHYY, January 11, 2005 · Before he played guitar for
Led Zeppelin, Jimmy Page was a session musician in London studios. Rock
historian Ed Ward looks back at Page's early career.
DianeE
> Let's Go, Let's Go, Let's Go - Hank Ballard & the Midnighters
> Save the Last Dance for Me - The Drifters
> Shotgun - Junior Walker and the All-Stars
> Somebody To Love - The Jefferson Airplane
> Stay - Maurice Williams & the Zodiacs
> Surfin' USA - The Beach Boys
> Walk On By - Dionne Warwick
> You've Really Got A Hold On Me - The Miracles
The Sir Douglas Quintet: She's About A Mover
The Four Tops: Can't Help Myself
Aaron Neville: Tell It Like It Is
Martha & The Vandellas: Dancing In The Street
Mary Wells: My Guy
Marvin Gaye: Can I Get A Witness
Neil Diamond: Cherry Cherry
Chuck Jackson: Any Day Now
The Youngbloods: Get Together
Billy Stewart: I Do Love You
The Doors: Roadhouse Blues
The Doors: Hello I Love You
The Marvelettes: Please Mr. Postman
Inez & Charlie Foxx: Mockingbird
The Jaynetts: Sally Go Round The Roses
Lee Dorsey: Working In The Coal Mine
Barry McGuire: Eve Of Destruction
DianeE
DianeE
"TODD TAMANEND CLARK" <tama...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1105874004....@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
>
> My 2005 nominees for the 1960s are:
>
> Along Comes Mary - The Association
> Break On Through - The Doors
> Hello I Love You - The Doors
> Heroes And Villains - The Beach Boys
> I Got A Line On You - Spirit
> I Had Too Much To Dream Last Night - The Electric Prunes
> In-A-Gadda-Da-Vida - Iron Butterfly
> Incense And Peppermints - Strawberry Alarm Clock
> Journey To The Center Of The Mind - The Amboy Dukes
> Just Dropped In - The First Edition
> People Are Strange - The Doors
> Pleasant Valley Sunday - The Monkees
> Pushin' Too Hard - The Seeds
> River Deep Mountain High - Ike And Tina Turner
> Seven And Seven Is - Love
> Shape Of Things To Come - Max Frost And The Troopers
> She Is Still A Mystery - The Lovin' Spoonful
> Society's Child - Janis Ian
> Somebody To Love - Jefferson Airplane
> Talk Talk - The Music Machine
> Time Has Come Today - The Chambers Brothers
> We Ain't Got Nothin' Yet - The Blues Magoos
> White Rabbit - Jefferson Airplane
> You Keep Me Hanging On - Vanilla Fudge
----------
I had to knock "Witchi-Tai-To" off my list at the last moment, but I was
sure that you would nominate it. Surprise, you didn't!
DianeE
DianeE
"PhillyGuy" <tomfro...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1106000851.6...@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
>
> Oh, by the way, "Heat Wave" is easily, and no contest the way better
> record. DITS, a great record in a general way, is not in its class.
> End of discussion.
Well, my favorite M & the V's song is and always was "Nowhere To Run." Back
in the 60s I played it so many times that my mother stormed into my room,
grabbed it off the turntable, threw it on the floor, and stomped on it till
it broke in pieces. I kid you not. So what could I do? Went out and
bought the album.
DianeE
Marc Dashevsky
dejanews.com says...
> "Sunshine Superman" got an unfair advantage with me because it
> featured prominently in a great NPR feature last week on Jimmy Page's
> studio work prior to Zeppelin, and it's been in my head ever since.
> Plus I really think the '60s list needs some flower power. . .
I heard that broadcast as well, and I had never before appreciated
the song as much.
> I've been meaning to point out the NPR segment here, it looks like
> it can be found at:
>
> http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4278540
It's only six minutes and it is a good story about early Page.
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SavoyBG
>> >The Sound of Silence - Simon and Garfunkel
>>
>> This is already inducted.
>
>I see it now. Spelled wrong on the website, though.
No it isn't, The original single says "The Sounds Of Silence."
plural -Sounds
SavoyBG
>The Doors: Roadhouse Blues
This is from 1970.
DianeE
> >From: Bob Roman
>
> >Really? I don't hear it. "Popcorn" sounds like a novelty.
> >"Pipeline" sounds like the perfect '60s R&R instrumental.
>
> That's just it, "Pipeline" sounds like a novelty to me. It sounds like
> something that you hear in the background of an action movie or something.
>
> "Green Onions" is by far the best 60s rock and roll instrumental, but if
you
> want to eliminate the R & B oriented records I'd go with "Walk Don't Run"
or
> "Wild Weekend" or "Memphis" by Lonnie Mack or "Wipe Out" as being much
better
> rock and roll instrumentals than the dull "Pipeline."
----------
How come no one ever mentions "Twine Time" (Alvin Cash & The Crawlers) in
these discussions? To me it comes pretty close to "Green Onions."
DianeE
DianeE
> >From: "DianeE"
>
> >The Doors: Roadhouse Blues
>
> This is from 1970.
All right. Here's my substitute:
Tommy Tucker: Hi-Heel Sneakers
DianeE
PhillyGuy
Dave Allen wrote:
> In article <1106075713....@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>,
> "PhillyGuy" <tomfro...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > Philly was quiet while LA rioted for days, in large part due to
good
> > police-community relations work, it was attributed to at the time.
> > There was no "sympathy" riot here.
>
> There'll be a riot in Philly if the Eagles lose to the Falcons in the
> NFC Championship game.
>
> Dave
I know what you're hoping for, putzkopf, even though I hope they win,
if we lose, we'll probably settle into taking it more docily like Cubs
baseball fans do their almost-gets-there team, even though from the
bottom of my heart I don't want to have to seen that point proved. Let
me say this, if we're disappointed, I hope you suffer as much
disappointment for your prediction. Whoever said "stupid is as stupid
does" - ? How about "stupid is as stupid says" - instead?
SavoyBG
>How come no one ever mentions "Twine Time" (Alvin Cash & The Crawlers) in
>these discussions? To me it comes pretty close to "Green Onions."
Because you're the only one who thinks so?
Sav...@aol.com
jgmc...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
Of the ones I nominated,
> I think "Honky Tonk Women" had "You Can't Always Get What You Want"
as
> a B-Side, and I think "Down on the Corner" was also a B-side or part
of
> a double-A sider.
"Down On The Corner" was the flip of "Fortunate Son."
The version of "You Can't Always Get" that's on a single is much
shorter than the LP version. That song might be better served to be
nominated as an LP track. The single version does not have the female
chorus that opens up the LP version.
Sav...@aol.com
That should go right in (right after Todd T. Clark nominates something
by Herman's Hermits).
DianeE
> >From: "DianeE"
>
> >How come no one ever mentions "Twine Time" (Alvin Cash & The Crawlers) in
> >these discussions? To me it comes pretty close to "Green Onions."
>
> Because you're the only one who thinks so?
Apparently I am the only one around here, but it did make its way into
Rhino's "Beg Scream and Shout" box set of 60s soul, so I guess I'm not the
only one on Earth.
DianeE
DianeE
<Sav...@aol.com> wrote in message
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In fact I gave this one a lot of thought. I wanted to include a blues
record, I was leaning toward Elmore James' "Shake Your Moneymaker," but then
I hit upon this one. It was more of a crossover record, I guess because it
was more danceable. Many artists and garage bands played and recorded it.
It even spawned a great answer record, "Slip In Mules" by Sugar Pie
DeSanto.
And furthermore...I bought this 45 in the 60s. About 2 years after it came
out, probably, but definitely during the 60s. Which means it wasn't one of
those records that were buried in obscurity until years later and then
rediscovered by the cognoscenti when it came out on CD with an endorsement
from Eric Clapton in the liner notes.
IMO it's a serious choice.
DianeE
Ludovic Delamare
> <Sav...@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:1106116261.4...@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> DianeE wrote:
>>> "SavoyBG" <sav...@aol.com> wrote in message
>>> news:20050118224856...@mb-m19.aol.com...
>>>>> From: "DianeE"
>>>>
>>>>> The Doors: Roadhouse Blues
>>>>
>>>> This is from 1970.
>>> ---------
>>> All right. Here's my substitute:
>>>
>>> Tommy Tucker: Hi-Heel Sneakers
>>
>> That should go right in (right after Todd T. Clark nominates something
>> by Herman's Hermits).
> -----------
> In fact I gave this one a lot of thought. I wanted to include a blues
> record, I was leaning toward Elmore James' "Shake Your Moneymaker," but then
> I hit upon this one. It was more of a crossover record, I guess because it
> was more danceable. Many artists and garage bands played and recorded it.
Including the Rolling Stones in an infamous 1964 BBC session.
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Did I write infamous ? I meant famous.
Bob Roman
<ludovic.rl.d...@free.fr> wrote:
>DianeE a émis l'idée suivante :
>>>> Tommy Tucker: Hi-Heel Sneakers
>> was more danceable. Many artists and garage bands played and recorded it.
>
>Including the Rolling Stones in an infamous 1964 BBC session.
And Elvis Presley & Stevie Wonder.
Bob Roman
SavoyBG
>> >How come no one ever mentions "Twine Time" (Alvin Cash & The Crawlers) in
>> >these discussions? To me it comes pretty close to "Green Onions."
>>
>> Because you're the only one who thinks so?
>------
>Apparently I am the only one around here, but it did make its way into
>Rhino's "Beg Scream and Shout" box set of 60s soul, so I guess I'm not the
>only one on Earth.
Just because it's on a box set that has over 100 songs does not mean that
ANYBODY thinks it's in the same league as "Green Onions." They have to fill the
set up with something, and "Twine Time" was probably an easy song to lease for
the set, as opposed to some other major label items,. like Motown or Atlantic
stuff.
Bob Roman
>> >"Pipeline"
>
>It certainly doesn't "rock" nearly as much as "Wipe Out" or "Walk,
>Don't Run."
Define "rock".
Bob Roman
SavoyBG
>-----------
>In fact I gave this one a lot of thought. I wanted to include a blues
>record, I was leaning toward Elmore James' "Shake Your Moneymaker," but then
>I hit upon this one.
What's wrong with one of Wolf's other 60s classics (Spoonful is in already),
like "Back Door man" or "The Red Rooster?"
There's also "Wang Dang Doodle" by Koko Taylor. You can kill two birds with one
stone there, with a blues record by a woman!
>Which means it wasn't one of
>those records that were buried in obscurity until years later and then
>rediscovered by the cognoscenti when it came out on CD with an endorsement
>from Eric Clapton in the liner notes.
You're the big Robert Johnson fan.
"Hi-Heel Sneakers" was a huge hit record, but I don't see it as having a good
shot to make this hall of fame any time soon.
You'd have a better chance with "The Thrill Is Gone" or "Part Time Love" or "I
Pity The Fool" or one of Jimmy Reed's hits, like "Bright Lights, Big City" or
"Big Boss Man."
WAIT!!!
How about you cover blues and instrumentals all at once with "Hideaway" by
Freddie King.
DianeE
>
> >Which means it wasn't one of
> >those records that were buried in obscurity until years later and then
> >rediscovered by the cognoscenti when it came out on CD with an
endorsement
> >from Eric Clapton in the liner notes.
>
> You're the big Robert Johnson fan.
I don't think the vinyl albums mentioned Clapton.
----------
>
> "Hi-Heel Sneakers" was a huge hit record, but I don't see it as having a
good
> shot to make this hall of fame any time soon.
>
------------
I THOUGHT THAT WAS ALREADY IN!!!!! Are you kidding me? How could it not be
in?
DianeE
DianeE
"Bob Roman" <robert...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:c2rsu05spsngcqohc...@4ax.com...
It's not exactly a rumpshaker.
DianeE
SavoyBG
>Define "rock".
Some folks don't understand it, that's why they don't demand it.
It's got a backbeat you can't lose it.
The beat of the drums loud and bold.
SavoyBG
>I don't think the vinyl albums mentioned Clapton.
The second album mentions the Rolling Stones and Johnny Winter in the brief
liner notes.
They mention the fact that the Stones did "Love In Vain" on their "Let It
Bleed" album.
One of the big selling points was that "It was even rumored that Johnny Winter
learned to play the slide guitar listening to Johnson."
The famous CD box set was also issued on vinyl at the time, with a big sticker
on the front that contained an endorsement from Clapton.
SavoyBG
>You'd have a better chance with "The Thrill Is Gone"....
>------------
>I THOUGHT THAT WAS ALREADY IN!!!!! Are you kidding me? How could it not be
>in?
ROFL!
SavoyBG
>> >> >"Pipeline"
>> >
>> >It certainly doesn't "rock" nearly as much as "Wipe Out" or "Walk,
>> >Don't Run."
>>
>> Define "rock".
>-----------
>It's not exactly a rumpshaker.
I think the one poster who called it "mood music" described it well. The record
doesn't rock at all. I put it in the same category as "Apache."
Ludovic Delamare
>> From: "DianeE"
>
>>>>>> "Pipeline"
>>>>
>>>> It certainly doesn't "rock" nearly as much as "Wipe Out" or "Walk,
>>>> Don't Run."
>>>
>>> Define "rock".
>> -----------
>> It's not exactly a rumpshaker.
>
> I think the one poster who called it "mood music" described it well. The
> record doesn't rock at all. I put it in the same category as "Apache."
Have you ever heard "Pipeline" played by Johnny Thunders and the
Heartbreakers ? Don't tell me
it doesn't *rock* !
Mark Dintenfass
<twod...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> In article <1106112322....@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
> "PhillyGuy" <tomfro...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > Dave Allen wrote:
> > > There'll be a riot in Philly if the Eagles lose to the Falcons in
> > > the NFC Championship game.
> >
> > I know what you're hoping for, putzkopf
>
> Actually, I'm hoping that the Eagles win. I really appreciated the
> shellacking they gave to the Vikings (being a Packers fans, I despise
> the Vikings).
Hey, great. And here I thought I was the only Packers fan around here.
And to bring this back on topic: is Michael Vick the first authentic
rock-and-roll quarterback?
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PhillyGuy
In The Streets).....more ummpphhh to it, in some way, I guess. I only
bought the single. I couldn't find my excitement level for DITS very
much stronger than what I felt for "Where Did Our Love Go" or
"Something About You". Remember a passage in Pete Guralnick's great
book on black popular music-making in the South (especially a la
Stax/Volt) in the 60's, "Sweet Soul Music", where one of the studio
hands is heard in a what seemed like complaint of amazement that they
(Motown) were using tire chains (of all things) to produce background
sounds for records? Well, for me, if that were really true, then on
Nowhere To Run that would probably be one example of that kind of
thing.
Someone wrote a strong-selling look at Motown back in the 80's, and
titled it "Nowhere To Run" also. Notice they could have called the
book by the better-selling record, "Dancing In The Streets", but they
didn't. Maybe they figured the title needed a little ummpphhh too, to
hook book-buyers into a look.
-T.
Sav...@aol.com
PhillyGuy wrote:
(much more so than Dancing > In The Streets
What's "Dancing In The Streets?"
There has never been a Motown song with that title.
The Martha & the Vandellas classic was called "Dancing In The Street."
Roger Ford
<mdint...@xxnew.rr.com> wrote:
>In article <twodorian-46232...@individual.net>, Dave Allen
><twod...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> In article <1106112322....@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
>> "PhillyGuy" <tomfro...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> > Dave Allen wrote:
>> > > There'll be a riot in Philly if the Eagles lose to the Falcons in
>> > > the NFC Championship game.
>> >
>> > I know what you're hoping for, putzkopf
>>
>> Actually, I'm hoping that the Eagles win. I really appreciated the
>> shellacking they gave to the Vikings (being a Packers fans, I despise
>> the Vikings).
>
>Hey, great. And here I thought I was the only Packers fan around here.
>
No way man! I LOVE the Packers.
"Hole In The Wall" is a great record
ROGER FORD
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> >> Actually, I'm hoping that the Eagles win. I really appreciated the
> >> shellacking they gave to the Vikings (being a Packers fans, I despise
> >> the Vikings).
> >
> >Hey, great. And here I thought I was the only Packers fan around here.
> >
> No way man! I LOVE the Packers.
Think Manchester United and you'll have the general idea.