Want to hear a good song that sounds like it was from the 60's?

[Jeff]

Check this out. Sounds like a Lennon/McCartney song from "Abbey Road".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUsTLo_pA6s&feature=related

[The Bloomfield Bloviator]

On Aug 27, 5:12 pm, Jeff <quickservice...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Check this out. Sounds like a Lennon/McCartney song from "Abbey Road".
>
>  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUsTLo_pA6s&feature=related

I hear it more as a Bee Gees sound, like "Words."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JECTUQVrvzE

It's no big surprise that a record from 1972 sounds like it could be a
few years older.

[Jeff]

I didn't post it for it to older. I posted it cause it sounds like a
Beatles song from the 60's, in my opinion. I don't care for
the Bee Gees except for their 1960's songs.

[BobbyM]

It reminds me more of The Marmalade with a Small Faces' ending. I do
hear a similarity between this & Carmen's huge solo hit, "All By Myself".

[Taliesyn]

Jeff <quickse...@gmail.com> wrote in news:fb62b58e-535b-48e2-bbd8-
cc1eb2...@q22g2000vbx.googlegroups.com:

> Check this out. Sounds like a Lennon/McCartney song from "Abbey Road".
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUsTLo_pA6s&feature=related

This is old hat. Much of what The Raspberries recorded was Beatle-like in
sound. It helped sell a lot of records. And I was one of those buyers -
bought all their albums. Today only 3 of their songs made my mp3 player.

Dig this one, very pretty - called "Waiting". It's as close to The
Beatles classic "Yesterday" as you can get. They even used the word
"yesterday" in the song just in case we didn't get the connection. Subtle
at copying The Beatles they certainly weren't.

-Taliesyn

[Taliesyn]

Jeff <quickse...@gmail.com> wrote in news:fb62b58e-535b-48e2-bbd8-
cc1eb2...@q22g2000vbx.googlegroups.com:

> Check this out. Sounds like a Lennon/McCartney song from "Abbey Road".
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUsTLo_pA6s&feature=related

[SORRY, I forgot to include the YouTube link at bottom ]

This is old hat. Much of what The Raspberries recorded was Beatle-like in
sound. It helped sell a lot of records. And I was one of those buyers -
bought all their albums. Today only 3 of their songs made my mp3 player.

Dig this one, very pretty - called "Waiting". It's as close to The
Beatles classic "Yesterday" as you can get. They even used the word
"yesterday" in the song just in case we didn't get the connection. Subtle
at copying The Beatles they certainly weren't.

Raspberries "Waiting"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=modtrEhHfiE

[The Bloomfield Bloviator]

"Words" is a 60s song.

[Inyo]

"Jeff" <quickse...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:fb62b58e-535b-48e2...@q22g2000vbx.googlegroups.com...

> Check this out. Sounds like a Lennon/McCartney song from "Abbey Road".
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUsTLo_pA6s&feature=related

Ah, yes, the Raspberries, with lead singer Eric Carmen.

Speaking of The Raspberries, here's a song called "It's Cold Outside" from a
group called The Choir that actually rose to #68 US Billboard in 1967,
although it had originally been released as early as September, 1966, on
another label. Three of the fellows who played in The Choir--and performed
on "It's Cold Outside"-- later joined Eric Carmen to form The Raspberries:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1PbbKQmA1E&feature=related

There are several uploads of "It's Cold Outside" available on YouTube, of
course...but I chose this particular example because the audio seems
crisper, and you can really hear (at least I can, anyhow) that wonderful
creative bass-line that James Skeen generates.

http://inyo.coffeecup.com/site/guitar/inyoguitar4.html
My solo, acoustic, instrumental 6-string guitar version of the Barry
Gibb-Robin Gibb composition "Holiday," #16 US Billboard for The Bee Gees,
1967.

[The Bloomfield Bloviator]

On Aug 27, 8:01 pm, "Inyo" <i...@altavista.com> wrote:
> "Jeff" <quickservice...@gmail.com> wrote in message

>
> news:fb62b58e-535b-48e2...@q22g2000vbx.googlegroups.com...
>
> > Check this out. Sounds like a Lennon/McCartney song from "Abbey Road".
>
> >  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUsTLo_pA6s&feature=related
>
> Ah, yes, the Raspberries, with lead singer Eric Carmen.
>
> Speaking of The Raspberries, here's a song called "It's Cold Outside" from a
> group called The Choir that actually rose to #68 US Billboard in 1967,
> although it had originally been released as early as September, 1966, on
> another label.

The earlier label was also from 1967 as far as I can find.

It's the final song on my 1967 list of favorites.

176 ¦ It's Cold Outside ¦ Choir

[hislop]

On 28/08/2012 7:12 AM, Jeff wrote:
> Check this out. Sounds like a Lennon/McCartney song from "Abbey Road".
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUsTLo_pA6s&feature=related

It's more of an early 70s sound to me, to compare it with anything.

Then I checked on wikipedia, it's from 1972 and sounds like it.
Not that I would hold that against it, I like the early 70s sound
sometimes, but I can in no way call it 60s, and really don't want to.

[hislop]

As an aside Status Quo had a bit of a Bee Gees fetish in their early
days, trying to sound like them on a few songs.

[BobbyM]

> 176 Ś It's Cold Outside Ś Choir

I show the song was recorded in Dec 1966. Originally released on the
Canadian American label, in March 67 it started breaking out in the
Cleveland area & Roulette picked it up in mid-April.

[Jeff]

On Aug 27, 5:48 pm, Taliesyn <talies...@netscape.net> wrote:
> Jeff <quickservice...@gmail.com> wrote in news:fb62b58e-535b-48e2-bbd8-
> cc1eb231f...@q22g2000vbx.googlegroups.com:

>
> > Check this out. Sounds like a Lennon/McCartney song from "Abbey Road".
>
> >  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUsTLo_pA6s&feature=related
>
> This is old hat.

Not to the many people I've talked to. They thought "Go
all the way" was their biggest hit. For me I heard that
and Let's Pretend". I didn't hear the rest of their music
from 1972-73 until 1987. I was blown away by their
music.

Much of what The Raspberries recorded was Beatle-like in
> sound. It helped sell a lot of records. And I was one of those buyers -
> bought all their albums. Today only 3 of their songs made my mp3 player.

Really?

> Dig this one, very pretty - called "Waiting". It's as close to The
> Beatles classic "Yesterday" as you can get.

I think I heard it recently but it didn't impress me.

They even used the word
> "yesterday" in the song just in case we didn't get the connection. Subtle
> at copying The Beatles they certainly weren't.
>
> -Taliesyn

I don't think all of their music sounds like the Beatles.
"Go all the way" didn't, in my opinion.

[Jeff]

On Aug 27, 5:51 pm, Taliesyn <talies...@netscape.net> wrote:
> Jeff <quickservice...@gmail.com> wrote in news:fb62b58e-535b-48e2-bbd8-
> cc1eb231f...@q22g2000vbx.googlegroups.com:
>

I just had a listen. Yes "waiting" is a beautiful song. I had
mistaken it for another one.

[The Bloomfield Bloviator]

On Aug 27, 9:30 pm, Jeff <quickservice...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Aug 27, 5:48 pm, Taliesyn <talies...@netscape.net> wrote:
>
> > Jeff <quickservice...@gmail.com> wrote in news:fb62b58e-535b-48e2-bbd8-
> > cc1eb231f...@q22g2000vbx.googlegroups.com:
>
> > > Check this out. Sounds like a Lennon/McCartney song from "Abbey Road".
>
> > >  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUsTLo_pA6s&feature=related
>
> > This is old hat.
>
> Not to the many people I've talked to. They thought "Go
> all the way" was their biggest hit.

The thought correctly. "Go All The Way" WAS their biggest hit, by a
lot.

[BobbyM]

If you listen to The Choir stuff, you'll find they were influenced acts
other than The Beatles, most notably The Kinks (they recorded a version
of "David Watts"). Of course, Carmen wrote most of the songs & he was
probably influenced more by the Beatles. The Raspberries & Big Star
would later be pegged as major influences on the power pop artists that
popped up later in the decade.

[Travis_Trite]

> > > Check this out. Sounds like a Lennon/McCartney song from "Abbey Road".
> >
> > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUsTLo_pA6s&feature=related
> >
> > This is old hat.
>
> Not to the many people I've talked to. They thought "Go
> all the way" was their biggest hit. For me I heard that
> and Let's Pretend". I didn't hear the rest of their music
> from 1972-73 until 1987. I was blown away by their
> music.

I would have liked to have been blown away, but I'm not sure I was. However,
I didn't listen as thoroughly as I believe necessary. I only knew Go All the
Way and Overnight Sensation before listening to two studio albums. (OS I
think is later and isn't on them.) Let's Pretend I heard two or three times
5-8 years ago, but all memory of it is gone.

> Much of what The Raspberries recorded was Beatle-like in
> > sound. It helped sell a lot of records. And I was one of those buyers -
> > bought all their albums. Today only 3 of their songs made my mp3 player.
>
> Really?
>
> > Dig this one, very pretty - called "Waiting". It's as close to The
> > Beatles classic "Yesterday" as you can get.
>
> I think I heard it recently but it didn't impress me.

I'll see if I have Waiting.

Eric Carmen's two solo hits from the 70s and his two big hits from the AC
late 80s (Hungry Eyes and Make Me Lose Control) -- all four are wicked
awesome.

[Jeff]

On Aug 27, 7:01 pm, "Inyo" <i...@altavista.com> wrote:
> "Jeff" <quickservice...@gmail.com> wrote in message

>
> news:fb62b58e-535b-48e2...@q22g2000vbx.googlegroups.com...
>
> > Check this out. Sounds like a Lennon/McCartney song from "Abbey Road".
>
> >  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUsTLo_pA6s&feature=related
>
> Ah, yes, the Raspberries, with lead singer Eric Carmen.
>
> Speaking of The Raspberries, here's a song called "It's Cold Outside" from a
> group called The Choir that actually rose to #68 US Billboard in 1967,
> although it had originally been released as early as September, 1966, on
> another label. Three of the fellows who played in The Choir--and performed
> on "It's Cold Outside"-- later joined Eric Carmen to form The Raspberries:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1PbbKQmA1E&feature=related
>
> There are several uploads of "It's Cold Outside" available on YouTube, of
> course...but I chose this particular example because the audio seems
> crisper, and you can really hear (at least I can, anyhow) that wonderful
> creative bass-line that James Skeen generates.

I like it. Thanks for the link.

[Jeff]

On Aug 27, 7:01 pm, "Inyo" <i...@altavista.com> wrote:

> "Jeff" <quickservice...@gmail.com> wrote in message

You did an excellent job on this song. Thanks for posting it. I
had heard the song many years ago, but had no info on it.

[Jeff]

Is it the way that the song is produced that makes it sound
like a 70's song?

[Jeff]

I really goofed there on what I meant to say. I meant to
say that many people that I talked to thought that "Go
All The Way" was the Raspberries only song.

[BobbyM]

About the closes thing I could tie it to on Abbey Road would be "Sun
King" but mostly for the softer vocal & the harmonies. The Raspberries'
song though sounds overproduced in comparison.

[The Bloomfield Bloviator]

What kind of a schmuck thinks that a band that had a huge hit never
made another song?

[Jeff]

I just think it would have been on side 2 of Abbey Road.

 The Raspberries'
> song though sounds overproduced in comparison.

I don't hear it overproduced any more than side 2 two of Abbey Road.

[Jeff]

Me for one cause I hadn't heard more than 2 of their songs up up till
1987. And people I have talked to since 1987 who thought "Go
All the Way" was their only song and hit. Their albums had been
out of print for many years.

[Travis_Trite]

> > I really goofed there on what I meant to say. I meant to
> > say that many people that I talked to thought that "Go
> > All The Way" was the Raspberries only song.

> What kind of a schmuck thinks that a band that had a huge hit never
> made another song?

What kind of a schmuck takes things too literally, and can be easily played
because of it?

What kind of a schmuck misses obvious things going on and needs to be told
to be on the trail for clues, the way certain tracking animals might? look
for clues, that is

[The Bloomfield Bloviator]

On Aug 28, 8:48 am, Jeff <quickservice...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Me for one cause I hadn't heard more than 2 of their songs up up till
> 1987. And people I have talked to since 1987 who thought "Go
> All the Way" was their only song and hit.

There's your problem. The people you were "talking to" were morons.

There's plenty of places where you could have checked on their
discography, even before the internet.

http://rateyourmusic.com/artist/raspberries

If one of these clowns had just owned a Joel Whitburn chart book they
could have told you that the band had SEVEN chart singles and FIVE
chart albums.

[hislop]

Soft rock, the sound of the guitars, the mix, the ambient effects:
reverb type, the way they record and mix vocal arrangements, the sound
of the drums, their concept of a rhythm track etc.
They couldn't go backwards, technology improved and the sound changed.

I saw a telemovie about The Carpenters and showed how they advanced the
studio recording of multi-vocals. Things changed, other factors have to
matter if you want to care about the sound.

Then again, you could still go up to the mid 70s and hear something of
the influence of Sgt Peppers and so forth, but it wasn't the same.

I like early 70s music largely, but it is what it is. I remember
thinking in 1974 how music just wasn't the same as it was 2 years ago.

There's no way I'll say anything against The Raspberries, but I haven't
heard that much of them. Did you know that Brian Wilson's musical
'secretary' was highly influenced by The Raspberries?

There was a group called The Strawbs.

There's something else about that period I've realized recently. It's
about the 'big' guitar sound that probably got associated with 'power
pop'. I'm not sure, but it seems to have its actual beginning in the
Cream song Badge, which was co-written by George Harrison. From 1969.
It sounds like it's being introduced the way the song goes anyway.

[Travis_Trite]

> I like early 70s music largely, but it is what it is. I remember
> thinking in 1974 how music just wasn't the same as it was 2 years ago.

Tommy Ramone thought the same thing, invented punk, and trashed music for
the next 30 and counting years. Thanks a lot.

Just kidding, but that is an idea I've kicked around in the past.

> There's no way I'll say anything against The Raspberries, but I haven't
> heard that much of them. Did you know that Brian Wilson's musical
> 'secretary' was highly influenced by The Raspberries?
>
> There was a group called The Strawbs.

I got PR to listen to Blue Angel. He didn't like Dave Cousins' voice. Putz

> There's something else about that period I've realized recently. It's
> about the 'big' guitar sound that probably got associated with 'power
> pop'. I'm not sure, but it seems to have its



actual beginning in the
> Cream song Badge,

Thanks for reminding me about this. College bull sessions about the origins
of power pop at (what we perceived) was the time of the "discovery" of Big
Star -- 83-84.

A record store guy I questioned back then stated, and I believed him, that
*he'd* known about Big Star all along.

And I currently have an "older-brother source" who says *he* knew about Big
Star all along.

Again, I believe him, but if these folks knew all along about Big Star,
why'd it take til the early 80s to be discovered? (Some folks my age and
younger might think Love was rediscovered that way, but I think there's a
thin line of "known-ness" for Love. Love was off progressive/classic rock
radio by the time I started listening in 75-76. However, I've surmised
they'd been played there nearly up to the time I started listening. I have
no real confirmation of that though.)

[Taliesyn]

Jeff <quickse...@gmail.com> wrote in
news:ebf2a4c0-506d-4103...@u15g2000yql.googlegroups.com:

I know for sure I heard the following US nationally charted hits on our
local Top 40 station here in Canada. That would include:

Go All The Way (#5)
I Wanna Be With You (#16)
Let's Pretend (#35)
Overnight Sensation (#18)
Tonight (#69)
I'm A Rocker (#94)
Ecstasy (#--)

Not sure if "Don't Want To Say Goodbye" (#90) was played as it preceded
their first hit, though it may have been played later. Too far back to
remember. I know I played it a lot when I began buying their albums.

These days the only Raspberries songs I wanna hear are 3 of their
one-word titled songs: "Ecstasy", "Waiting" and "Tonight".

-Taliesyn

[hislop]

On 29/08/2012 1:02 AM, Travis_Trite wrote:
>> I like early 70s music largely, but it is what it is. I remember
>> thinking in 1974 how music just wasn't the same as it was 2 years ago.
>
>
> Tommy Ramone thought the same thing, invented punk, and trashed music for
> the next 30 and counting years. Thanks a lot.
>
> Just kidding, but that is an idea I've kicked around in the past.

Everything in pop seemed reset by the end of the 70s and it really can't
seem to get back. Is rock and roll dead, has it done everything it
could? Questions from the 70s.

There was an episode of The Simpsons where Homer said the best year in
music was 1974, I've wondered about that. Did someone read posts of
mine years ago trying to explain that year?

>
>
>> There's no way I'll say anything against The Raspberries, but I haven't
>> heard that much of them. Did you know that Brian Wilson's musical
>> 'secretary' was highly influenced by The Raspberries?
>>
>> There was a group called The Strawbs.
>
>
> I got PR to listen to Blue Angel. He didn't like Dave Cousins' voice. Putz

I know less about The Strawbs, I just remember their being at least one
single in the early 70s.

>
>
>> There's something else about that period I've realized recently. It's
>> about the 'big' guitar sound that probably got associated with 'power
>> pop'. I'm not sure, but it seems to have its
>
>
>
> actual beginning in the
>> Cream song Badge,
>
>
> Thanks for reminding me about this. College bull sessions about the origins
> of power pop at (what we perceived) was the time of the "discovery" of Big
> Star -- 83-84.
>
> A record store guy I questioned back then stated, and I believed him, that
> *he'd* known about Big Star all along.
>
> And I currently have an "older-brother source" who says *he* knew about Big
> Star all along.
>
> Again, I believe him, but if these folks knew all along about Big Star,
> why'd it take til the early 80s to be discovered? (Some folks my age and
> younger might think Love was rediscovered that way, but I think there's a
> thin line of "known-ness" for Love. Love was off progressive/classic rock
> radio by the time I started listening in 75-76. However, I've surmised
> they'd been played there nearly up to the time I started listening. I have
> no real confirmation of that though.)

I still haven't discovered Big Star. I really didn't like their first
album.

I discovered Love so to speak quite late. Their jazzy sound or whatever
it is leaves me a bit flat. I saw an incarnation of them live several
yeas ago in aus, great night and supporting everything I say about the
60s compared with later years. 7 and 7 is live has to be experienced.

In Australia (or Melbourne really) alternative radio really began in
1977, with some broadcasts of a difficult to listen to station a couple
of years before that, all on FM. See the movie Dogs In Space about that
period. It was all top 40 and what the station deigned to play till
then. The Saints for example were entirely unknown in Melbourne through
all their early singles. But Blondie had success here in 1977 and came
over. There was one only Sex Pistols single played, Pretty Vacant, in
1977. Andy Gibb had the biggest selling single of 1977, enough said.
And I wondered for years why the single The In Crowd by Bryan Ferry came
and went quickly in 1974, one of the best things I have ever heard.
That's the 70s they wanted, but it didn't exist apparently. Schlock
horror like Living In The 70s by Skyhooks, with a badly mixed Electric
Prunes sound in there somewhere. That's the 70s I knew, a single from 1974.


>
>
>

[Travis_Trite]

>
> I still haven't discovered Big Star. I really didn't like their first
> album.
>
> I discovered Love so to speak quite late. Their jazzy sound or whatever
> it is leaves me a bit flat. I saw an incarnation of them live several
> yeas ago in aus, great night and supporting everything I say about the 60s
> compared with later years. 7 and 7 is live has to be experienced.
>
> In Australia (or Melbourne really) alternative radio really began in 1977,
> with some broadcasts of a difficult to listen to station a couple of years
> before that, all on FM. See the movie Dogs In Space about that period.
> It was all top 40 and what the station deigned to play till then. The
> Saints for example were entirely unknown in Melbourne through all their
> early singles. But Blondie had success here in 1977 and came over. There
> was one only Sex Pistols single played, Pretty Vacant, in 1977. Andy Gibb
> had the biggest selling single of 1977, enough said. And I wondered for
> years why the single The In Crowd by Bryan Ferry came and went quickly in
> 1974, one of the best things I have ever heard. That's the 70s they
> wanted, but it didn't exist apparently. Schlock horror like Living In The
> 70s by Skyhooks, with a badly mixed Electric Prunes sound in there
> somewhere. That's the 70s I knew, a single from 1974.

Great stuff. You're kind of convincing me about the dry-up.

I have a Skyhooks album

> a single from 1974

What? No love for Tokyo Joe :)

[Jeff]

On Aug 28, 9:27 am, The Bloomfield Bloviator <Savo...@aol.com> wrote:
> On Aug 28, 8:48 am, Jeff <quickservice...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Me for one cause I hadn't heard more than 2 of their songs up up till
> > 1987. And people I have talked to since 1987 who thought "Go
> > All the Way" was their only song and hit.
>
> There's your problem. The people you were "talking to" were morons.

If they were, they were. Not everyone knows everything, nor me
or you.Since you're so sensitive about what other people think,
why would you call these people morons? Would you do that to
their face? I mean, It wouldn't bother me, but it might some
people.

> There's plenty of places where you could have checked on their
> discography, even before the internet.

The thought just never occurred to me. I guess it wasn't that
important.

> http://rateyourmusic.com/artist/raspberries
>
> If one of these clowns had just owned a Joel Whitburn chart book they
> could have told you that the band had SEVEN chart singles and FIVE
> chart albums.

I really didn't hang out with people who liked music that I did, or
by the Raspberries. They were either into country music, hard
rock, or the blues. I'm only 2 years older than you, and I never
knew any kids except for one who liked the Beatles, in high
school. Well, I did have another friend who liked 2 songs of
theirs, but that was it. I guess it wasn't cool back then to say
you liked the Beatles...for those that only liked hard rock.

I recently went into this music store and brought up the
Beatles to the owner, and he gave me the strangest look,
then said to me, You actually like the Beatles? He couldn't
believe it. He told me he liked guitar soling more. Oh yeah,
and I even talked to him more recently than that. He has
a CD out, and was very unhappy some people didn't like it.
Maybe I should give you his name so you can call him
and say you know someone who doesn't like it. (Sarcasm
intended)

[Jeff]

On Aug 28, 10:19 am, Taliesyn <talies...@netscape.net> wrote:

From what I've heard about the Raspberries, is that not all of their
songs were played in every city/state. It's like Tommy Roe and their
Dizzy song. It wasn't until our family took a trip to south Dakota
in 1968/69 that I heard the song "Jack n. Jill" and I loved it
the first time I heard it. They didn't play it were I lived.

[Jeff]

On Aug 28, 9:28 am, hislop <takecarebew...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 28/08/2012 12:48 PM, Jeff wrote:
>
> > On Aug 27, 7:41 pm, hislop<takecarebew...@gmail.com>  wrote:
> >> On 28/08/2012 7:12 AM, Jeff wrote:
>
> >>> Check this out. Sounds like a Lennon/McCartney song from "Abbey Road".
>
> >>>    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUsTLo_pA6s&feature=related
>
> >> It's more of an early 70s sound to me, to compare it with anything.
>
> >> Then I checked on wikipedia, it's from 1972 and sounds like it.
> >> Not that I would hold that against it, I like the early 70s sound
> >> sometimes, but I can in no way call it 60s, and really don't want to.
>
> > Is it the way that the song is produced that makes it sound
> > like a 70's song?
>
> Soft rock, the sound of the guitars, the mix, the ambient effects:
> reverb type, the way they record and mix vocal arrangements, the sound
> of the drums, their concept of a rhythm track etc.
> They couldn't go backwards, technology improved and the sound changed.

I guess I just don't hear what you do. I can tell though like with
songs
the Beatles did such as "I want you" that they had overdubbed to
the max, cause you can hear the tape hiss.

> I saw a telemovie about The Carpenters and showed how they advanced the
> studio recording of multi-vocals.

I wasn't aware the The Carpenters changed anything, though I've
always loved their music.

 Things changed, other factors have to
> matter if you want to care about the sound.
>
> Then again, you could still go up to the mid 70s and hear something of
> the influence of Sgt Peppers and so forth, but it wasn't the same.

I agree with you on this.

> I like early 70s music largely, but it is what it is.  I remember
> thinking in 1974 how music just wasn't the same as it was 2 years ago.
>
> There's no way I'll say anything against The Raspberries, but I haven't
> heard that much of them.  Did you know that Brian Wilson's musical
> 'secretary' was highly influenced by The Raspberries?

No.

> There was a group called The Strawbs.

I don't remember liking their music too much.


I've known for awhile that amps have gotten a lot smaller
to carry around if you're in a band, and they sound
better than ever, but I haven't kept up with it much
since I quit playing in bands in 1984, and that was
long ago.

[The Bloomfield Bloviator]

On Aug 28, 4:16 pm, Jeff <quickservice...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Aug 28, 9:27 am, The Bloomfield Bloviator <Savo...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > On Aug 28, 8:48 am, Jeff <quickservice...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > Me for one cause I hadn't heard more than 2 of their songs up up till
> > > 1987. And people I have talked to since 1987 who thought "Go
> > > All the Way" was their only song and hit.
>
> > There's your problem. The people you were "talking to" were morons.
>
> If they were, they were. Not everyone knows everything, nor me
> or you.Since you're so sensitive about what other people think,
> why would you call these people morons? Would you do that to
> their face?

Yes.

Please do. I'll also call him a moron for being surprised that
somebody liked the Beatles.

[Jeff]

On Aug 28, 4:33 pm, The Bloomfield Bloviator <Savo...@aol.com> wrote:
> On Aug 28, 4:16 pm, Jeff <quickservice...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Aug 28, 9:27 am, The Bloomfield Bloviator <Savo...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Aug 28, 8:48 am, Jeff <quickservice...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > Me for one cause I hadn't heard more than 2 of their songs up up till
> > > > 1987. And people I have talked to since 1987 who thought "Go
> > > > All the Way" was their only song and hit.
>
> > > There's your problem. The people you were "talking to" were morons.
>
> > If they were, they were. Not everyone knows everything, nor me
> > or you.Since you're so sensitive about what other people think,
> > why would you call these people morons? Would you do that to
> > their face?
>
> Yes.

That doesn't surprise me.

I won't give you his name because you would invent someone
to say his music sucks, and that's not a nice thing to do.

[The Bloomfield Bloviator]

So, I guerss I called your bluff then.

[hislop]

They had a run of hits from 1974 to 1975, then decided to go overseas,
came back and tried to have a career again...it happens again.

[Jeff]

It was kind of the other way around but not really cause I
was joking with you. I never expected you to say yes.
Remember I said "sarcasm" at the end of my post?
Anyhow, I won't continue to rehash this subject, and
I'll just stick with the topic of music.

[hislop]

On 29/08/2012 2:06 AM, Travis_Trite wrote:
>>

blimey I never thought anyone would really think that for any length of time
"A US tour followed in March�April 1976, but critics described them as
imitators of Kiss due to the similarity of Symons' make-up & stage act
to that of Gene Simmons,[3] and despite limited success in Boston,
Massachusetts and Jacksonville, Florida they failed to make in-roads
into the general US market"

post glam rock, make up didn't really make you stand out.
I once heard a cover version of a Kiss song, very slowed down and
sounding quite impressive. Most post 60s songs probably lack emphasis
on the right part of the instrumentation and feel.

[Travis_Trite]

>>
>
> blimey I never thought anyone would really think that for any length of
> time

> "A US tour followed in March泡pril 1976, but critics described them as

> imitators of Kiss due to the similarity of Symons' make-up & stage act to
> that of Gene Simmons,[3] and despite limited success in Boston,
> Massachusetts and Jacksonville, Florida they failed to make in-roads into
> the general US market"

[too much 70s talk, but that's okay]

I first heard Kiss, same time I would guess most in U.S. did, with the
single of live Rock and Roll All Night (and part of ev-er-y day). I didn't
like it. Took me 15 more years to like them.

But reason I'm bringing up is, as a 12-year-old I remember reading about
Kiss's early history in NYC (I was in Chicago) and Kiss's supposed rivalry
with a group called the New York Dolls. My first exposure to that name.
Didn't hear them, meaningfully, until almost 1990. (I was satisfied by
knowing Johanson's solo hit Funky But Chic which I knew when it came out. I
liked Tim Curry's hit too. Iggy's Lust for Life satisfied my Stooges-need
til same time.)

Anyway, back to Kiss. I've tried to find a meaningful description of
whatever that "rivalry" was. I seem to remember from the article they may
have played the same club, or Gene Simmons in audience at Dolls club, or
Kiss copied Dolls but signed and meaningfully pushed in a way Dolls weren't.
Evening spent in bookstore scouring Kiss bios, but nothing found.

> post glam rock, make up didn't really make you stand out.
> I once heard a cover version of a Kiss song, very slowed down and sounding
> quite impressive.

Probably not the Replacements' Black Diamond. I think both versions are
about the same tempo.

[hislop]

On 30/08/2012 1:39 AM, Travis_Trite wrote:
>>>
>>
>> blimey I never thought anyone would really think that for any length of
>> time

>> "A US tour followed in March�April 1976, but critics described them as
>> imitators of Kiss due to the similarity of Symons' make-up& stage act to

>> that of Gene Simmons,[3] and despite limited success in Boston,
>> Massachusetts and Jacksonville, Florida they failed to make in-roads into
>> the general US market"
>
> [too much 70s talk, but that's okay]
>
> I first heard Kiss, same time I would guess most in U.S. did, with the
> single of live Rock and Roll All Night (and part of ev-er-y day). I didn't
> like it. Took me 15 more years to like them.
>
> But reason I'm bringing up is, as a 12-year-old I remember reading about
> Kiss's early history in NYC (I was in Chicago) and Kiss's supposed rivalry
> with a group called the New York Dolls. My first exposure to that name.
> Didn't hear them, meaningfully, until almost 1990. (I was satisfied by
> knowing Johanson's solo hit Funky But Chic which I knew when it came out. I
> liked Tim Curry's hit too. Iggy's Lust for Life satisfied my Stooges-need
> til same time.)

The New York Dolls are known to me by their connection to the producer
Shadow Morton in some way. I think I surprised someone by playing a
Shangri-las song that he knew from the Dolls. I mean cross reference
some kind of musical soul the Dolls were after, and the historical one
when the pretentions weren't the same.

>
> Anyway, back to Kiss. I've tried to find a meaningful description of
> whatever that "rivalry" was. I seem to remember from the article they may
> have played the same club, or Gene Simmons in audience at Dolls club, or
> Kiss copied Dolls but signed and meaningfully pushed in a way Dolls weren't.
> Evening spent in bookstore scouring Kiss bios, but nothing found.
>

I remember knowing Kiss fans in 1979 who I went and saw The Knack live with.

>
>> post glam rock, make up didn't really make you stand out.
>> I once heard a cover version of a Kiss song, very slowed down and sounding
>> quite impressive.
>
>
> Probably not the Replacements' Black Diamond. I think both versions are
> about the same tempo.

This was live in an alternative music spot way back when, unnameable and
untraceable. I can't quite think which song it was. But the bass line
stood out.

[hislop]

On 29/08/2012 7:13 AM, Jeff wrote:
> On Aug 28, 9:28 am, hislop<takecarebew...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 28/08/2012 12:48 PM, Jeff wrote:
>>
>>> On Aug 27, 7:41 pm, hislop<takecarebew...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On 28/08/2012 7:12 AM, Jeff wrote:
>>

>>>>> Check this out. Sounds like a Lennon/McCartney song from "Abbey Road"..

>>
>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUsTLo_pA6s&feature=related
>>
>>>> It's more of an early 70s sound to me, to compare it with anything.
>>
>>>> Then I checked on wikipedia, it's from 1972 and sounds like it.
>>>> Not that I would hold that against it, I like the early 70s sound
>>>> sometimes, but I can in no way call it 60s, and really don't want to.
>>
>>> Is it the way that the song is produced that makes it sound
>>> like a 70's song?
>>
>> Soft rock, the sound of the guitars, the mix, the ambient effects:
>> reverb type, the way they record and mix vocal arrangements, the sound
>> of the drums, their concept of a rhythm track etc.
>> They couldn't go backwards, technology improved and the sound changed.
>
> I guess I just don't hear what you do. I can tell though like with
> songs
> the Beatles did such as "I want you" that they had overdubbed to
> the max, cause you can hear the tape hiss.
>
>> I saw a telemovie about The Carpenters and showed how they advanced the
>> studio recording of multi-vocals.
>
> I wasn't aware the The Carpenters changed anything, though I've
> always loved their music.

Even they did, nothing left for anyone.

>
> Things changed, other factors have to
>> matter if you want to care about the sound.
>>
>> Then again, you could still go up to the mid 70s and hear something of
>> the influence of Sgt Peppers and so forth, but it wasn't the same.
>
> I agree with you on this.

I mostly think of some British film clip in the 70s of a song I only
heard once, that thing where they pretend they are monks, like the
British like to do.
But then again I remember whatshisname from Deep Purple in the late 70s,
Rio.

[Travis_Trite]

> Iggy's Lust for Life satisfied my Stooges-need

> til same time.) -- that is, 1990


I was mocked @ 1990 by the members of a clique from a different college than
mine for not having discovered Stooges in college

While my set at my college were discovering Big Star, they were at the other
college discovering Stooges. (Their clique was better than my clique in
almost every way, but we had more "beautiful losers")

[Travis_Trite]

>> I like early 70s music largely, but it is what it is. I remember
>> thinking in 1974 how music just wasn't the same as it was 2 years ago.
>
>
> Tommy Ramone thought the same thing, invented punk, and trashed music for
> the next 30 and counting years. Thanks a lot.
>
> Just kidding, but that is an idea I've kicked around in the past.




>> There's no way I'll say anything against The Raspberries, but I haven't
>> heard that much of them. Did you know that Brian Wilson's musical
>> 'secretary' was highly influenced by The Raspberries?
>>
>> There was a group called The Strawbs.
>
>
> I got PR to listen to Blue Angel. He didn't like Dave Cousins' voice. Putz

btw: This post was not me shedding my belief in, or regard for, poisoned
rose. I thought the Tommy Ramone part might provoke him into returning.

[Jeff]

I don't really know all of what went on here, but I hope PR returns.