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40th Anniversary of Lennon's One to One Concert

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marcus60s

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Aug 20, 2012, 9:30:46 PM8/20/12
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My 40th anniversary remembrance of John and Yoko's "One to One
Concert" at Madison Square Garden will appear in this month's
Beatlefan Magazine. With permission from the editor, I have posted it
on my website

Just click below to read:

http://marccatone.webs.com/onetooneconcert.htm

Marc

The Bloomfield Bloviator

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Aug 20, 2012, 9:43:08 PM8/20/12
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> It was the second time I had been to Madison Square Garden

Big sports fan, huh?


Who edited this fucking thing?

> He performed “Superstition”...his #1 hit single that summer.

His number one hit, THAT SUMMER....ROFLMAO

Nice research, numb nuts.

The single was not even released until November and was not #1 until
late January of 1973. Even the album it was on was not released until
November, YOU FUCKING JACKASS.

marcus60s

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Aug 20, 2012, 10:25:25 PM8/20/12
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I knew the song when I saw him sing it on August 30, 1972...and so did
everyone else in the Garden.

Were we all psychic?

The Bloomfield Bloviator

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marcus60s

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Travis_Trite

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Aug 21, 2012, 10:53:27 AM8/21/12
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Ha, ha. Good one, Marcus.

I was thinking about the fact that Stevie Wonder had promised Superstition
to Jeff Beck, but then did it himself, as well, because the song was just
too good. But that suggests that the song was "around" for awhile before
Wonder recorded it.

Bruce thinks chart positions and record releases tell all. He once lied to
me and told me his first exposure to Al Green was from hearing Green's first
hit, Tired of Being Alone, when it was first a hit. If the charts say it was
playing on the radio, it must have been playing on the radio, right?




The Bloomfield Bloviator

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On Aug 21, 10:53 am, "Travis_Trite" <Travis_Tr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Bruce thinks chart positions and record releases tell all. He once lied to
> me and told me his first exposure to Al Green was from hearing Green's first
> hit, Tired of Being Alone, when it was first a hit. If the charts say it was
> playing on the radio, it must have been playing on the radio, right?

Hey cock choker. Where do you get off claiming that I "lied" to you
there?

In 1971 I listened almost exclusively to WABC. I was turning 14 that
year in September.

Here's the WABC survey, right around my 14th birthday, where "Tired Of
Being Alone" entered the top 10.

http://www.musicradio77.com/Surveys/1971/surveyoct571.html

WABC Music Power Survey for Week of 5 October 1971


TW LW
1. Maggie May - Rod Stewart (Mercury) *2 weeks #1* 1
2. Superstar - The Carpenters (A&M) 4
3. Go Away Little Girl - Donny Osmond (MGM) 2
4. Uncle Albert/Admiral Halsey -
Paul & Linda McCartney (Apple) 3
5. Ain't No Sunshine - Bill Withers (Sussex) 7
6. Yo-Yo - The Osmonds (MGM) 12
7. The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down - Joan Baez (Vanguard) 5
8. Thin Line Between Love and Hate - The Persuaders (Atco) 15
9. Do You Know What I Mean - Lee Michaels (A&M) 13
10. Tired of Being Alone - Al Green (Hi) 18
11. Theme from Shaft - Isaac Hayes (Enterprise) --
12. I Woke Up In Love This Morning -
The Partridge Family (Bell) 19
13. If You Really Love Me - Stevie Wonder (Tamla) 16
14. Stick-Up - The Honey Cone (Hot Wax) 6
-----------------------------------------------------------------
15. Trapped By a Thing Called Love - Denise LaSalle (Westbound)--
17. Smiling Faces Sometimes - The Undisputed Truth (Gordy) 8
20. So Far Away - Carole King (Ode) 21
22. Sweet City Woman - The Stampeders (Bell) 27
38. I've Found Someone of My Own - The Free Movement (Decca) --
39. Birds of a Feather - The Raiders (Columbia) 41
50. Gypsys, Tramps and Thieves - Cher (Kapp) --
51. Long Ago and Far Away - James Taylor (Warner Brothers) --
59. Peace Train - Cat Stevens (A&M) 61
68. Never My Love - The 5th Dimension (Bell) 62


And just where do you think that people became familiar with
"Superstition" months before it was ever released and played on the
radio?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superstition_(song)

I say that people heard the song for the first time at the concert,
then a few short months later it was all over the radio, and now 40
years later their mind plays tricks on them and they think that they
were well aware of the song at the time of the concert.

The Bloomfield Bloviator

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Aug 21, 2012, 11:46:28 AM8/21/12
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> http://www.wolfgangsvault.com/stevie-wonder/concerts/madison-square-g...

No one is denying that he performed that song at the concert, schmuck.
I'm ridiculing your claim that it was his "number one single from that
summer."



Travis_Trite

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Aug 21, 2012, 12:24:25 PM8/21/12
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> Where do you get off claiming that I "lied" to you
> there?

> In 1971 I listened almost exclusively to WABC. I was turning
> 14 that year in September.

> Here's the WABC survey, right around my 14th birthday, where
> "Tired Of Being Alone" entered the top 10.


Your "proof" that you heard it was that the charts say it was on the radio
at the time. Right now you know you're lying again, and seeing if you can
pull it off.

You could provide an anecdote about hearing the song, similar to Marcus's
anecdote about hearing Superstition at the concert and thinking he knew it
already.* The fact that you provide no anecdote means it didn't happen.

*Marcus's anecdote is given thickness by the detail he added, that many in
the audience were also familiar with Superstition. (Perhaps the audience
cheered when Superstition started.) If you tried to fake a Tired of Being
Alone anecdote now, I don't think you could fabricate an
"extra-believability" wrinkle like that.


The Bloomfield Bloviator

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Aug 21, 2012, 12:36:02 PM8/21/12
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On Aug 21, 12:24 pm, "Travis_Trite" <Travis_Tr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Where do you get off claiming that I "lied" to you
> > there?
> > In 1971 I listened almost exclusively to WABC. I was turning
> > 14 that year in September.
> > Here's the WABC survey, right around my 14th birthday, where
> >  "Tired Of Being Alone" entered the top 10.
>
> Your "proof" that you heard it was that the charts say it was on the radio
> at the time. Right now you know you're lying again, and seeing if you can
> pull it off.

LOL.....maybe marcus is lying about being at that concert.....why
would you take his word for it?

So you're claiming that I did not hear "Tired Of Being Alone" in 1971,
because I have not relayed a specific memory of hearing it on a
certain day?

I still have a notebook somewhere where I wrote down the WABC Survey
every week. They used to play the new survey every Tuesday. Would my
hand written copy of the survey be proof?

Travis_Trite

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Aug 21, 2012, 1:17:45 PM8/21/12
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> LOL.....maybe marcus is lying about being at that concert.....why
> would you take his word for it?


You enjoy seeing if you can bluff your way out of challenges like the one
I'm making here. I haven't seen Marcus do that.


> So you're claiming that I did not hear "Tired Of Being Alone" in 1971,
> because I have not relayed a specific memory of hearing it on a
> certain day?
>
> I still have a notebook somewhere where I wrote down the WABC Survey
> every week. They used to play the new survey every Tuesday. Would my
> hand written copy of the survey be proof?


This is all bluffing.

Are you saying, WABC played its countdown (starting at what number, pray
tell?) on Tuesday nights, and that you listened, all Tuesday night, and
wrote down the songs, as they were played, week after week? Why not just get
the station's published weekly playlist from your local record store, or
whatever? This bluff, weakens, rather than strengthens, your claim.

If you'd been so stupid as to write down, when you could have picked up, the
station's published countdown, it might be believable that you heard the
song. But when we discussed this before, you claimed that the songs on a
station's countdown were also played, during the week, on the station. I
said, though the station might have had a countdown of 30, only songs 1-12,
or 1-8, or 1-15 would have actually been played during the week. You denied
there was a difference between the station's stated countdown and what they
actually played. That ignorance on your part indicated to me that you
*hadn't* been thinking about the countdown in the careful way implied by
your having written down the countdown, as you're claiming here.

At this point, rather than fighting your way through the thicket of
arguments implied in the two paras above, it would be easier for you to just
cough up the anecdote. However, since you didn't hear the song, you have no
anecdote to cough up.




The Bloomfield Bloviator

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Aug 21, 2012, 12:49:39 PM8/21/12
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marcus probably was not at the concert at all, but he saw the movie...

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1446694/

...like the rest of us. By then "Superstition" was a huge record, and
may have been #1 depending upon how soon he saw the movie. The movie
was released in mid-December 1972.

He could laso have been at the concert, and THEN saw the movie a few
times over the years, and of course as he sees the movie, he then
knows "Superstition" well, as it was a huge hit. His "memory" of the
concert, at this point 40 years later, may come more from the movie
than the actual concert, whether he was there or not.

Doesn't change the main point, that there's a glaring error in his
article saying that "Superstition" was a number one single in the
summer of 1972.



The Bloomfield Bloviator

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Aug 21, 2012, 1:51:50 PM8/21/12
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On Aug 21, 1:17 pm, "Travis_Trite" <Travis_Tr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > LOL.....maybe marcus is lying about being at that concert.....why
> > would you take his word for it?
>
> You enjoy seeing if you can bluff your way out of challenges like the one
> I'm making here. I haven't seen Marcus do that.
>
> > So you're claiming that I did not hear "Tired Of Being Alone" in 1971,
> > because I have not relayed a specific memory of hearing it on a
> > certain day?
>
> > I still have a notebook somewhere where I wrote down the WABC Survey
> > every week. They used to play the new survey every Tuesday. Would my
> > hand written copy of the survey be proof?
>
> This is all bluffing.
>
> Are you saying, WABC played its countdown (starting at what number, pray
> tell?) on Tuesday nights, and that you listened, all Tuesday night, and
> wrote down the songs, as they were played, week after week? Why not just get
> the station's published weekly playlist from your local record store, or
> whatever? This bluff, weakens, rather than strengthens, your claim.

A - It was fun to listen to it and write the songs down as you heard
them. Sometimes I even recorded the whole survey on a little cassette
recorder.

B - I never aaw a printed WABC survey until years later. The stores I
went to in 1971 (Grand Way, Packard Babmbersgers_ did not have them. I
wasn't exactly driving yet in 1971 nwhen I was 14. I only went to a
couple stores that I could walk to.

> If you'd been so stupid as to write down, when you could have picked up, the
> station's published countdown, it might be believable that you heard the
> song.

I did not even know that they had a printed copy of their survey at
that time.


< But when we discussed this before, you claimed that the songs on a
> station's countdown were also played, during the week, on the station.

And they were.


I said, though the station might have had a countdown of 30, only
songs 1-12,
> or 1-8, or 1-15 would have actually been played during the week. You denied
> there was a difference between the station's stated countdown and what they
> actually played.

They only counted down the top 15 or so on Tuesdays when the new
survey came out. Those songs were all played during the week, but the
were never played in order like that. I was interested in the new
survey every week.


> That ignorance on your part indicated to me that you
> *hadn't* been thinking about the countdown in the careful way implied by
> your having written down the countdown, as you're claiming here.

Huh?


> At this point, rather than fighting your way through the thicket of
> arguments implied in the two paras above, it would be easier for you to just
> cough up the anecdote. However, since you didn't hear the song, you have no
> anecdote to cough up.

Do you have an anecdote for every songs that you ever heard and became
familiar with? I certainly don't. I don't have an anecdote for even
5% of them.

So, according to you, I never heard "Tired Of Being Alone" in 1971.

Do you think that I heard "Let's Stay Together" at the start of 1972,
when it was a number one national hit on the pop chart? I have no
anecdote about hearing it.

It only reached #2 on WABC.

Did I also not hear this song then, according to you?

WABC Music Power Survey for Week of 25 January 1972



TW LW
1. American Pie - Don McLean (United Artists) *4 weeks #1* 1
2. Let's Stay Together - Al Green (Hi) 2
3. Brand New Key - Melanie (Neighborhood) 3
4. Day After Day - Badfinger (Apple) 9
5. You Are Everything - The Stylistics (Avco) 5
6. Clean-Up Woman - Betty Wright (Alston) 4
7. Sunshine - Jonathan Edwards (Capricorn) 7
8. Sugar Daddy - The Jackson 5 (Motown) 6
9. I'd Like to Teach the World to Sing -
The New Seekers (Elektra) 8
10. Never Been to Spain - Three Dog Night (Dunhill) 31
11. Drowning in the Sea of Love - Joe Simon (Spring) 16
12. Scorpio - Dennis Coffey & the Detroit Guitar Band (Sussex) 11
13. Down By the Lazy River - The Osmonds (MGM) 21
14. One Monkey Don't Stop No Show - The Honey Cone (Hot Wax) 12
-----------------------------------------------------------------
15. I'd Like to Teach the World to Sing -
The Hillside Singers (Metromedia) 15
16. Without You - Nilsson (RCA) --
17. Family Affair - Sly & the Family Stone (Epic) 13
18. Cherish - David Cassidy (Bell) 14
20. Precious and Few - Climax (Carousel) --
25. Fire and Water - Wilson Pickett (Atlantic) --
29. Stay With Me - The Faces (Warner Brothers) --
30. Hurting Each Other - The Carpenters (A&M) 36
36. The Way of Love - Cher (Kapp) HP






Travis_Trite

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>
> < But when we discussed this before, you claimed that the songs on a
> > station's countdown were also played, during the week, on the station.
>
> And they were.


I only listened to the countdowns on my stations occasionally, and
occasionally looked at my stations' published lists. That's why it's so
clear to me that songs between 15 and 30 on my stations' countdowns
(countdown was usually Sunday eve; Tuesday seems a little strange) didn't
play during the daytime hours of the week.

Really songs 11 - 15 seldom played, if at all. I don't believe my stations
would have been that different from yours. And since your mind seizes on the
minutia of data like this, your claim that the songs were played equally
seems like a lie, a bluff. You could say, the lower numbers were played less
frequently, but you know that would be a dangerous admission, making Tired
of Being Alone *less* likely to have been heard, at the time, by you.


> > At this point, rather than fighting your way through the thicket of
> > arguments implied in the two paras above, it would be easier for you to
> > just
> > cough up the anecdote. However, since you didn't hear the song, you have
> > no
> > anecdote to cough up.
>
> Do you have an anecdote for every songs that you ever heard



Roughly, I do. Doesn't have to be much of an anecdote. For example, could
be, "when Let's Stay Together was such a big hit, I put it together that it
was by the same artist who'd done Tired of Being Alone, which I hadn't made
much note of before."

But I knew many songs that were on the charts long before I started
listening to the radio, so I must have heard them *after* their initial
chart run. This is the part of your story I'm disbelieving. If you don't
have specific ordering-like memories, you might have heard Tired of Being
Alone after Let's Stay Together.

Here are some from your Let's Stay Together chart that were chart hits from
before I listened to the radio. For me to have known them, they would have
been played as some form of "legacy" play. I wouldn't, and couldn't, make a
claim about when I first heard them.


> 7. Sunshine - Jonathan Edwards (Capricorn) 7
> 16. Without You - Nilsson (RCA) --
> 17. Family Affair - Sly & the Family Stone (Epic) 13
> 20. Precious and Few - Climax (Carousel) --




These below were too well-known; very well might have heard them in the
grocery store with my mother

> 1. American Pie - Don McLean (United Artists) *4 weeks #1* 1
> 3. Brand New Key - Melanie (Neighborhood) 3
> 9. I'd Like to Teach the World to Sing - The New Seekers (Elektra) 8
> 15. I'd Like to Teach the World to Sing - The Hillside Singers
> (Metromedia) 15

Don't know which of the last two I was hearing.






Tim

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Aug 21, 2012, 7:41:10 PM8/21/12
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A bit heavy with the OCD, aye jackass. One trip to a therapist's
office might change your whole self-promoting all knowing dickwad life.

Travis_Trite

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Aug 21, 2012, 8:55:59 PM8/21/12
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> B - I never aaw a printed WABC survey until years later. The stores I
> went to in 1971 (Grand Way, Packard Babmbersgers_ did not have them. I
> wasn't exactly driving yet in 1971 nwhen I was 14. I only went to a
> couple stores that I could walk to.

Ever hear of a bicycle? More lies



> > If you'd been so stupid as to write down, when you could have picked up,
> > the
> > station's published countdown, it might be believable that you heard the
> > song.
>
> I did not even know that they had a printed copy of their survey at
> that time.

Smart guy like you. 152 IQ? More lies





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Travis_Trite

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"poisoned rose" <pro...@poisonedrose.com> wrote in message
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> "Travis_Trite" <Travis...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> You enjoy seeing if you can bluff your way out of challenges like the one
>> I'm making here. I haven't seen Marcus do that.
>
> Oh really? Did you see Marcus bluff his way out of detailing his
> allegedly voluminous writing about a contemporary bias against British
> rock?

I would like to see Marcus explain the Superstition thing.

And kudos to Mr. Bloviator for a very good catch.


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The Bloomfield Bloviator

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> >http://rateyourmusic.com/release/single/stevie_wonder/superstition___...
> > _it_bad_girl/
>
> Given the way Marcus has been polishing and embellishing the same
> handful of nostalgic anecdotes for decades, pretty much in self-involved
> seclusion with no "bullshit detector" to keep him honest, I think it's
> entirely plausible that he's bending the truth here. Not
> intentionally...it's just that he has spent so many years breathlessly
> mythologizing that era that he can't remember what is hard reality
> anymore.
>
> I mean, at the very least, "everyone else in the Garden" is a delirious
> hyperbole. How trustable is a witness who writes something like that?
> And he's indisputably wrong in claiming "Superstition" was a #1 single
> in the summer of 1972.
>
> And then he pretends the issue is whether the song was played at all,
> rather than whether the song was recognized by himself and "everyone
> else."
>
> The comparison of concert and vinyl-release dates seems like quite
> convincing evidence to me.

Interesting that you care about HIS error, but that you don't care
when your error on calling "All Summer Long" a single is pointed out.
Here you analyze the evidence and come to a proper conclusion, but
there you claim it's just anal retentiveness.

Sound like sour grapes to me.

Why can't you just admit your careless error and thank me for the
correction, like a mature journalist would do. When I send Tris McCall
emails correcting mistakes in his column, that's what he
does.....thanks me for the correction, and changes it in the online
version of the column. He's not an immature twat like you, who instead
of being thankful that someone is catching an error, has to "shoot the
messenger."

marcus60s

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On Aug 22, 10:46 am, "Travis_Trite" <Travis_Tr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> "poisoned rose" <pro...@poisonedrose.com> wrote in message
>
> news:prose9-10D816....@news.eternal-september.org...
>
> > "Travis_Trite" <Travis_Tr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> You enjoy seeing if you can bluff your way out of challenges like the one
> >> I'm making here. I haven't seen Marcus do that.
>
> > Oh really? Did you see Marcus bluff his way out of detailing his
> > allegedly voluminous writing about a contemporary bias against British
> > rock?
>
> I would like to see Marcus explain the Superstition thing.
>
> And kudos to Mr. Bloviator for a very good catch.

I had heard Wonder's "Superstition" before hearing him sing it at the
MSQ.

My only error was confusing "Higher Ground" with "Superstition" in
terms of being on the charts before the concert.

The Bloomfield Bloviator

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On Aug 22, 11:04 am, poisoned rose <pro...@poisonedrose.com> wrote:
> So I guess this is your latest, all-important "anniversary
> commemoration" that you wanted us to anticipate with such nostalgic
> fervor.
>
> And, naturally, it's just more redundant Beatle-drooling.
>
> Since you submitted this article for feedback, I will offer some. I know
> your pride won't allow you to give anything I say a moment of
> consideration -- no matter how much it might benefit your lousy writing
> -- but that's life.
>
> I started to offer itemized proofreading notes, but then I realized
> that, literally, almost every sentence had something grammatically wrong
> or at least clumsy that I would change. My reply would be hundreds of
> lines long. So I'll just post a "fixed" version of your article later.
> Much easier.
>
> There is one error I'd really like to underscore, however. One that is
> totally unforgivable.
>
> You wrote (in the opening paragraph, no less!):
> "His series of reports caught the eyes of the entire New York
> metropolitan area, and eventually led to the passage of the Civil Rights
> of Institutional Patients Act of 1980."
>
> It was actually the Civil Rights of INSTITUTIONALIZED PERSONS Act of
> 1980. This is a wholly inexcusable error, and if you feel any sense of
> responsibility as a writer, you should be in AGONY about getting this
> wrong. That's just horrible, horrible, horrible.

But a rock critic naming an album track as a single is not?


> If this appeared in Beatlefan uncorrected, this says a lot about the
> quality of the editorial staff.

We agree on that. If they are not even chceking on his "summer" claim
about "Superstition," what else are they missing?


> If this error appeared in a real magazine, it probably would require a
> correction note in the following issue.

What makes this not a "real" magazine, as opposed to some of the mags
that you have written for?


> While getting the #1 Billboard date of "Superstition" wrong is dumb,
> this is far worse.

I don't know, the one you found can be seen as a typo, a few letters
missing from a word. He may have been typing the word and looked away
for a second and it seemed like it was done when he looked back. To
me, the "Superstition" thing is far worse. Rearranging dates like that
changes history and clearly shows his lack of research and also calls
into question his credibility of the entire remembrance of the
concert, if he was even really there. Spelling Institutionalized wrong
doesn't change anything. If he said it instead of writing it, it would
just an amusing gaffe.



marcus60s

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On Aug 22, 10:46 am, "Travis_Trite" <Travis_Tr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> "poisoned rose" <pro...@poisonedrose.com> wrote in message
>
> news:prose9-10D816....@news.eternal-september.org...
>
> > "Travis_Trite" <Travis_Tr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> You enjoy seeing if you can bluff your way out of challenges like the one
> >> I'm making here. I haven't seen Marcus do that.
>
> > Oh really? Did you see Marcus bluff his way out of detailing his
> > allegedly voluminous writing about a contemporary bias against British
> > rock?
>
> I would like to see Marcus explain the Superstition thing.
>
> And kudos to Mr. Bloviator for a very good catch.

In an earlier post I said "Higher Ground", I meant "Keep On Running"

The Bloomfield Bloviator

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On Aug 22, 11:33 am, poisoned rose <pro...@poisonedrose.com> wrote:
>
> It became too tedious to go line by line beyond this. I'll just rewrite
> it for you.

So, you're anally retentive enough to rewrite this entire thing, but
not to care about naming album tracks as singles?

You're splitting hairs here with some of these comments much more than
I ever did. I get it though, it's marcus's (cough, cough) work, so you
want to pick it apart as much as possible....LOL


Travis_Trite

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Aug 22, 2012, 1:28:48 PM8/22/12
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> > > Oh really? Did you see Marcus bluff his way out of detailing his
> > > allegedly voluminous writing about a contemporary bias against British
> > > rock?
> >
> > I would like to see Marcus explain the Superstition thing.
> >
> > And kudos to Mr. Bloviator for a very good catch.
>
> I had heard Wonder's "Superstition" before hearing him sing it at the
> MSQ.

I'm not doubting your memory. Just curious. Do you think you'd maybe seen
him do it on tv or some other way like that? The release date of the single
seems to have been October.


> My only error was confusing "Higher Ground" with "Superstition" in
> terms of being on the charts before the concert.

Higher Ground is even after that. I think of them just in terms of the albs,
but Higher Ground is on the next alb Innervisions



marcus60s

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On Aug 22, 1:28 pm, "Travis_Trite" <Travis_Tr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > Oh really? Did you see Marcus bluff his way out of detailing his
> > > > allegedly voluminous writing about a contemporary bias against British
> > > > rock?
>
> > > I would like to see Marcus explain the Superstition thing.
>
> > > And kudos to Mr. Bloviator for a very good catch.
>
> > I had heard Wonder's "Superstition" before hearing him sing it at the
> > MSQ.
>
> I'm not doubting your memory. Just curious. Do you think you'd maybe seen
> him do it on tv or some other way like that? The release date of the single
> seems to have been October.

I suppose it's possible, or I maybe I saw a snippet of film(on TV)
from the Rolling Stones tour that was going on that summer with Stevie
as the opening act...I think he did it there too.

All I know is that I, and my two concert companions, recognized the
song. We had heard before, as did everyone sitting around me.
>
> > My only error was confusing "Higher Ground" with "Superstition" in
> > terms of being on the charts before the concert.
>
> Higher Ground is even after that. I think of them just in terms of the albs,
> but Higher Ground is on the next alb Innervisions

I did a correction earlier in another post where i explained that I
meant "Keep On Running", not "Higher Ground".

One must remember that the purpose of my article was the major part of
the concert, which was John Lennon, Yoko Ono, and Elephant's Memory.
My memories of every song by him are much stronger, and detailed.
Wonder, Flack, and Sha Na Na were on briefly and only did about 3
songs each.

The Bloomfield Bloviator

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On Aug 22, 12:10 pm, marcus60s <marcus...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Aug 22, 10:46 am, "Travis_Trite" <Travis_Tr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > "poisoned rose" <pro...@poisonedrose.com> wrote in message
>
> >news:prose9-10D816....@news.eternal-september.org...
>
> > > "Travis_Trite" <Travis_Tr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > >> You enjoy seeing if you can bluff your way out of challenges like the one
> > >> I'm making here. I haven't seen Marcus do that.
>
> > > Oh really? Did you see Marcus bluff his way out of detailing his
> > > allegedly voluminous writing about a contemporary bias against British
> > > rock?
>
> > I would like to see Marcus explain the Superstition thing.
>
> > And kudos to Mr. Bloviator for a very good catch.
>
> I had heard Wonder's "Superstition" before hearing him sing it at the
> MSQ.

You did not hear shit. The record was not released until the album
came out on Oct. 27, and the single a week later. Since you already
cliamed that this was the first time that you had ever seen Wonder
live, where exactly do you claim to have heard a song that was not on
a record yet?


> My only error was confusing "Higher Ground" with "Superstition" in
> terms of being on the charts before the concert.

ROFLMAO

You're a fucking moron. "Higher Ground" wasn't released until 10
months AFTER "Superstition."

Have you ever thought of reseraching something before you make an
absurd claim like this? It's pretty easy in the internet age.

"Higher Ground" wasn't released at all until August of 1973 on the
"Innervisions" album and on a single. Both were released in early
August of 1973.



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> > > > I would like to see Marcus explain the Superstition thing.
> >
> > > > And kudos to Mr. Bloviator for a very good catch.
> >
> > > I had heard Wonder's "Superstition" before hearing him sing it at the
> > > MSQ.
> >
> > I'm not doubting your memory. Just curious. Do you think you'd maybe
> > seen
> > him do it on tv or some other way like that? The release date of the
> > single
> > seems to have been October.


> I suppose it's possible, or I maybe I saw a snippet of film(on TV)
> from the Rolling Stones tour that was going on that summer with Stevie
> as the opening act...I think he did it there too.


> All I know is that I, and my two concert companions, recognized the
> song. We had heard before, as did everyone sitting around me.


Thank you. I'm satisfied. The clavinet intro to Superstition is instantly
recognizable. How many times would you have (and others in the audience)
needed to hear it to recognize it?

Reminds me of ANOTHER inane, chart-driven argument I had with Bloviator,
where he said Isley Brothers Shout was obscure, not widely known before
being resurrected in 1978's Animal House movie. Because Shout hadn't charted
well in its original chart run his robot-mind can see no path for it to have
become a "known" song before Animal House, apparently, put it back on the
charts.



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On Aug 22, 2:01 pm, marcus60s <marcus...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> One must remember that the purpose of my article was the major part of
> the concert, which was John Lennon, Yoko Ono, and Elephant's Memory.
> My memories of every song by him are much stronger, and detailed.
> Wonder, Flack, and Sha Na Na were on briefly and only did about 3
> songs each.

Opposite.

The fact that they only did three songs each should make your memories
of those songs STRONGER than your memories of Lennon's songs, because
there are way fewer songs to remember from the other acts.

How about just admitting that you were not all that interested in the
oter acts, and THAT'S why your memories of their performances is not
strong.

marcus60s

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> August of 1973.-

See my earlier post in this thread at 12:24 PM

marcus60s

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On Aug 22, 2:19 pm, The Bloomfield Bloviator <Savo...@aol.com> wrote:
> On Aug 22, 2:01 pm, marcus60s <marcus...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > One must remember that the purpose of my article was the major part of
> > the concert, which was John Lennon, Yoko Ono, and Elephant's Memory.
> > My memories of every song by him are much stronger, and detailed.
> > Wonder, Flack, and Sha Na Na were on briefly and only did about 3
> > songs each.
>
> Opposite.
>
> The fact that they only did three songs each should make your memories
> of those songs STRONGER than your memories of Lennon's songs, because
> there are way fewer songs to remember from the other acts.

That's just plain nonsense.
>
> How about just admitting that you were not all that interested in the
> oter acts, and THAT'S why your memories of their performances is not
> strong.

I was interested in all the performers, but obviously had more
interest in Lennon and Ono.

Travis_Trite

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> > > I would like to see Marcus explain the Superstition thing.
> >
> > > And kudos to Mr. Bloviator for a very good catch.
> >
> > I had heard Wonder's "Superstition" before hearing him sing it at the
> > MSQ.
>
> You did not hear shit. The record was not released until the album
> came out on Oct. 27, and the single a week later. Since you already
> cliamed that this was the first time that you had ever seen Wonder
> live, where exactly do you claim to have heard a song that was not on
> a record yet?
>


You know way more about this stuff than I do, but radio stations would never
have advance copies of singles to play, in advance of release dates?

Summer is a big time for singles with urban appeal, like Superstition would
have had.





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On Aug 22, 2:37 pm, "Travis_Trite" <Travis_Tr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > I would like to see Marcus explain the Superstition thing.
>
> > > > And kudos to Mr. Bloviator for a very good catch.
>
> > > I had heard Wonder's "Superstition" before hearing him sing it at the
> > > MSQ.
>
> > You did not hear shit. The record was not released until the album
> > came out on Oct. 27, and the single a week later. Since you already
> > cliamed that this was the first time that you had ever seen Wonder
> > live, where exactly do you claim to have heard a song that was not on
> > a record yet?
>
> You know way more about this stuff than I do, but radio stations would never
> have advance copies of singles to play, in advance of release dates?

Not two wonths+ in advance, no. I doubt the record was even recorded
and fully mixed and mastered yet in August.

Here's the first time that it is mentioned on the WABC survey....a
full FOUR MONTHS after the concert.

WABC MusicRadio 77 Survey for Week of 12 December 1972



TW SUPER SINGLES: LW
1. Me and Mrs. Jones - Billy Paul (Phil. Int'l) *1 week #1* 5
2. Papa Was a Rollin' Stone - The Temptations (Gordy) 3
3. I Am Woman - Helen Reddy (Capitol) 1
4. Clair - Gilbert O'Sullivan (MAM) 7
5. If You Don't Know Me By Now -
Harold Melvin & the Blue Notes (Philadelphia International) 4
6. I Can See Clearly Now - Johnny Nash (Epic) 2
7. It Never Rains in Southern California -
Albert Hammond (Mums) 10
8. Summer Breeze - Seals & Crofts (Warner Brothers) 8
9. I'm Stone In Love With You - The Stylistics (Avco) 9
10. I'd Love You to Want Me - Lobo (Big Tree) 6
11. You're So Vain - Carly Simon (Elektra) ??
12. You Ought to Be With Me - Al Green (Hi) 11
13. Ventura Highway - America (Warner Brothers) ??
14. Rockin' Pneumonia - Boogie Woogie Flu - Johnny Rivers (UA) ??

SINGLES:
15. Something's Wrong With Me - Austin Roberts (Chelsea) 19
16. Superstition - Stevie Wonder (Tamla) --
17. Superfly - Curtis Mayfield (Curtom) 13
18. Sweet Surrender - Bread (Elektra) 24
19. Funny Face - Donna Fargo (Dot) 39
20. Keeper of the Castle - The Four Tops (Dunhill) 23
21. I Wanna Be With You - The Raspberries (Capitol) 29
28. Your Mama Don't Dance -
Kenny Loggins & Jim Messina (Columbia) --
30. Walk On Water - Neil Diamond (Uni) 37
43. Sitting - Cat Stevens (A&M) 49

ACTION ALBUMS:
Superfly - Curtis Mayfield (Curtom)
Seventh Sojourn - The Moody Blues (Threshold)
Catch Bull at Four - Cat Stevens (A&M)
All Directions - The Temptations (Gordy)
No Secrets - Carly Simon (Elektra)
Rhymes and Reasons - Carole King (Ode)



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On Aug 22, 12:24 pm, marcus60s <marcus...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> In an earlier post I said "Higher Ground", I meant "Keep On Running"

Keep On Running?

That was a bomb. Barely even cracked the top 100, and it did so a
month AFTER that concert. It was NOT on the charts in August of 1972.



marcus60s

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On Aug 22, 2:37 pm, "Travis_Trite" <Travis_Tr...@gmail.com> wrote:
The Rolling Stones played four concerts in a row over three days in
late July at MSQ. Stevie played "Superstition" for those concerts as
part of his opening act. NYC was a pretty savvy place for playing
bootlegged stuff. It's possible that I heard it on some FM station I
listened to, like WBAI or WNEW, or as I mentioned before, I heard it
on TV when the Stones were in NYC.

This from Wikipedia about the Stones 1972 tour:

"Opening for the tour's shows was Stevie Wonder; this placement, along
with his hard-edged hit of the time "Superstition" (released October
1972), did much to increase Wonder's visibility to rock audiences, at
this the beginning of his classic period. Wonder would also sometimes
join the Stones at the end of a night's performance."

The Bloomfield Bloviator

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On Aug 22, 3:07 pm, marcus60s <marcus...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> "Opening for the tour's shows was Stevie Wonder; this placement, along
> with his hard-edged hit of the time "Superstition" (released October
> 1972), did much to increase Wonder's visibility to rock audiences, at
> this the beginning of his classic period. Wonder would also sometimes
> join the Stones at the end of a night's performance."- Hide quoted text -

This placement

ALONG with "Superstition" (released October 1972),

So, the fact that he appeared with the Stones on their tour

AND

The fact that he had a "harf edged" hit late in the year.

It says nothing about him performing that song on the tour months
before its release.

The Bloomfield Bloviator

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Aug 22, 2012, 2:46:03 PM8/22/12
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Why?

Is Yoko Ono a better artist than Stevie Wonder?

John Lennon solo is not even in Wonder's league.

The Bloomfield Bloviator

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There's some set lists out there that claim that Stevie did
"Superstition" on the Stones tour in June, but they also claim he did
a cover of Billy Paul's "Me And Mrs. Jones" in June, and that record
was not even released untl October of 1972, so clearly the setlist is
just being made up by some schmuck like you who has a shit memory.

They also list "Killing Me Softly" in Stevie's June 1972 setlist.
Doubtful he would have done that song until 1973 when the Roberta
Flack version was released and became a huge hit.

We just have a case of guys fucking up memories form 40 years ago and
confusing them with other shows from 38 or 29 years ago.

marcus60s

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On Aug 22, 3:33 pm, The Bloomfield Bloviator <savo...@verizon.net>
wrote:
Wonder did "Superstition" at the One to One concert.

Based on what I've read on Wikipedia and elsewhere, he also did it on
the Stones tour.

That's all i have to say about Wonder's performance that night.

If someone wants to discuss the majority of the article, specifically
about John Lennon's performance, fine...but, no more about Wonder.
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On Aug 22, 3:55 pm, marcus60s <marcus...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Aug 22, 3:33 pm, The Bloomfield Bloviator <savo...@verizon.net>
> wrote:
>
> > There's some set lists out there that claim that Stevie did
> > "Superstition" on the Stones tour in June, but they also claim he did
> > a cover of Billy Paul's "Me And Mrs. Jones" in June, and that record
> > was not even released untl October of 1972, so clearly the setlist is
> > just being made up by some schmuck like you who has a shit memory.
>
> > They also list "Killing Me Softly" in Stevie's June 1972 setlist.
> > Doubtful he would have done that song until 1973 when the Roberta
> > Flack version was released and became a huge hit.
>
> > We just have a case of guys fucking up memories form 40 years ago and
> > confusing them with other shows from 38 or 29 years ago.
>
> Wonder did "Superstition" at the One to One concert.

Nobody is contesting that.


> Based on what I've read on Wikipedia and elsewhere, he also did it on
> the Stones tour.

Possibly.


> That's all i have to say about Wonder's performance that night.
>
> If someone wants to discuss the majority of the article, specifically
> about John Lennon's performance, fine...but, no more about Wonder.

You don't get to dictate what we discuss here, jackass.

Hopefully you got the schmuck who runs that magazine to edit out the
eggregious errors that are in your article.

The Bloomfield Bloviator

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On Aug 22, 3:59 pm, poisoned rose <pro...@poisonedrose.com> wrote:
> The Bloomfield Bloviator <Savo...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > > While getting the #1 Billboard date of "Superstition" wrong is dumb,
> > > this is far worse.
>
> > I don't know, the one you found can be seen as a typo, a few letters
> > missing from a word. He may have been typing the word and looked away
> > for a second and it seemed like it was done when he looked back. To
> > me, the "Superstition" thing is far worse. Rearranging dates like that
> > changes history and clearly shows his lack of research and also calls
> > into question his credibility of the entire remembrance of the
> > concert, if he was even really there. Spelling Institutionalized wrong
> > doesn't change anything. If he said it instead of writing it, it would
> > just an amusing gaffe.
>
> This reads like you didn't even comprehend that he got TWO of the words
> wrong.

Okay, but whether it reads INSTITUTIONAL PATIENTS or INSTITUTIONALIZED
PERSONS , everybody who reads it knows what either phrase implies.
There's no confusion of the facts about what the act did, just in what
the proper name of the act is.

With the Stevie Wonder mistake the reader will actually think that
"Superstition" was a number one single that summer. To me, that's a
much worse error.

What would be worse? Mistakenly calling the CCR album Cosmic
Factories, or claiming that it was number one in the summer of 1969?

Everybody knows which album the person is talking about with the
incorrect name, but some people will now think that it was popular in
the summer of 1969, instead of 1970.

The first mistake is just careless ignorance, the second is actually
meaningful to changing history.




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On Aug 22, 4:01 pm, poisoned rose <pro...@poisonedrose.com> wrote:
> The Bloomfield Bloviator <Savo...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > > It became too tedious to go line by line beyond this. I'll just rewrite
> > > it for you.
>
> > So, you're anally retentive enough to rewrite this entire thing, but
> > not to care about naming album tracks as singles?
>
> As a casual comment in a forum with 25 readers, while making a point
> about something else? Yeah, I can't really fret about it. I can see how
> it would drive someone berserk whose whole musical world revolves around
> chart statistics and what's not coming out of the speakers, though.
>
> This is just another case of you bouncing subjects because you lost the
> initial one.

I didn't lose the initial one, I won it. A song that is only the 10th
most performed song by that artist cannot possible be confirmed as the
greatest pop song ever. And someone liking "H&V" better than "God Only
Knows" in 2012 is not at all unusual. Perhaps more than 50% of people
will like "GOK" better, but nowhere near the majority required for
someone to be shocked at it. It's probably like 65-35, or something
like that. Me and Travis both like "H&V" better.

Despite being released already, "God Only Knows" did not make either
"Best Of" or "Best of Volume 2," and finally got on to "Best of Volume
3" in the fall of 1968.

Neither song was on "Endless Summer" or "Spirit Of America."

So by 1975 "God Only Knows" was not considered important enough to
make either of two double albums of the band's greatest hits.




The Bloomfield Bloviator

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On Aug 22, 4:41 pm, poisoned rose <pro...@poisonedrose.com> wrote:
> The Bloomfield Bloviator <savo...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> > Okay, but whether it reads INSTITUTIONAL PATIENTS or INSTITUTIONALIZED
> > PERSONS , everybody who reads it knows what either phrase implies.
> > There's no confusion of the facts about what the act did, just in what
> > the proper name of the act is.
>
> It's in the lead paragraph. And it's emphasized as being something
> crucial. Stevie Wonder is much more peripheral to the article.
>
> > With the Stevie Wonder mistake the reader will actually think that
> > "Superstition" was a number one single that summer. To me, that's a
> > much worse error.
>
> It's a substantial error, but I think the other is worse.

You have to admit, it's fun to debate which one of marcus's egregious
errors was worse....LOL

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> Yes, but it would be more fun if he had enough integrity to admit he
> goofed.

You shouldn't be chastising him until you can do the same about "All
Summer Long."

How about thanking me for the correction?

BTW, if we can somehow find this obscure rag that published his
article, we should contact the editor and point out the mistakes.

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On Aug 22, 4:39 pm, The Bloomfield Bloviator <savo...@verizon.net>
wrote:
> On Aug 22, 4:01 pm, poisoned rose <pro...@poisonedrose.com> wrote:
>
> > The Bloomfield Bloviator <Savo...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > > > It became too tedious to go line by line beyond this. I'll just rewrite
> > > > it for you.
>
> > > So, you're anally retentive enough to rewrite this entire thing, but
> > > not to care about naming album tracks as singles?
>
> > As a casual comment in a forum with 25 readers, while making a point
> > about something else? Yeah, I can't really fret about it.

I guess this means I'm gonna now have to scour all your writings to
find other mistakes you made in more significant writings. Will you at
least admit your errors and thank me for the corrections if I take the
time to find them?



The Bloomfield Bloviator

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On Aug 22, 4:41 pm, poisoned rose <pro...@poisonedrose.com> wrote:
> The Bloomfield Bloviator <savo...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> > Okay, but whether it reads INSTITUTIONAL PATIENTS or INSTITUTIONALIZED
> > PERSONS , everybody who reads it knows what either phrase implies.
> > There's no confusion of the facts about what the act did, just in what
> > the proper name of the act is.
>
> It's in the lead paragraph. And it's emphasized as being something
> crucial. Stevie Wonder is much more peripheral to the article.
>
> > With the Stevie Wonder mistake the reader will actually think that
> > "Superstition" was a number one single that summer. To me, that's a
> > much worse error.
>
> Not everyone is as consumed with chart numbers as you are.

It's not the chart number, it's the time reference.


> It's a substantial error, but I think the other is worse.
>
> > What would be worse?  Mistakenly calling the CCR album Cosmic
> > Factories, or claiming that it was number one in the summer of 1969?
>
> If I saw one person make the first error and another person make the
> second error, I'd think the "Cosmic Factories" guy was dumber.

Granted, but the "dumb" mistake is not necessarily the "more
significant" mistake.


> The second error is "Jeez, careless fact-checking" but the first one is "How
> the hell could the guy not know that??"

There's lots of people around who mess up words harmlessly, but
changing the historical order of dates is much worse IMO.

What's worse, messing up name like Roberto Clemente and referring to
him as "Umberto Clemente" or doing what Cousin Brucie did a few years
ago and asking his son, "So how's dad," when his dad had been dead for
over 30 years already?



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On Aug 22, 5:20 pm, poisoned rose <pro...@poisonedrose.com> wrote:
> The Bloomfield Bloviator <savo...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> > You shouldn't be chastising him until you can do the same about "All
> > Summer Long."
>
> > How about thanking me for the correction?
>
> If it had been in a published article rather than in a conversational
> Usenet post, I would have.

Okay, see the errors in your "published articles" that I point out in
the exciting new "Broome Errors" thread.


> > BTW, if we can somehow find this obscure rag that published his
> > article, we should contact the editor and point out the mistakes.
>
> That's the sort of activity where I draw the line.

I would too, if marcus was appeciative of us helping him spot
mistakes, instead of trying to justify/deny them.



The Bloomfield Bloviator

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On Aug 22, 5:35 pm, poisoned rose <pro...@poisonedrose.com> wrote:
> The Bloomfield Bloviator <savo...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> > I guess this means I'm gonna now have to scour all your writings to
> > find other mistakes you made in more significant writings. Will you at
> > least admit your errors and thank me for the corrections if I take the
> > time to find them?
>
> You really are psychotic, you know.

If you did the right thing in the first place, and thanked me for the
correction instead of trying to make it seem like I'm at fault for
caring about the mistake, rather than you being at fault for making
the mistake, I wouldn't have to stoop to this.

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On Aug 22, 5:53 pm, poisoned rose <pro...@poisonedrose.com> wrote:
> The Bloomfield Bloviator <savo...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> > I didn't lose the initial one, I won it. A song that is only the 10th
> > most performed song by that artist cannot possible be confirmed as the
> > greatest pop song ever.
>
> Well, that's only true if one believes popularity is the ultimate
> criteria of quality, as you do.
>
> And you made other rash statements about the song being remembered by
> very few people, etc.
>
> > And someone liking "H&V" better than "God Only
> > Knows" in 2012 is not at all unusual. Perhaps more than 50% of people
> > will like "GOK" better, but nowhere near the majority required for
> > someone to be shocked at it.
>
> "Shocked" represents restating my view in extreme terms. I was not
> "shocked."
>
> > Despite being released already, "God Only Knows" did not make either
> > "Best Of" or "Best of Volume 2," and finally got on to "Best of Volume
> > 3" in the fall of 1968.
>
> > Neither song was on "Endless Summer" or "Spirit Of America."
>
> > So by 1975 "God Only Knows" was not considered important enough to
> > make either of two double albums of the band's greatest hits.
>
> That's yet another time-capsule argument, and it's not fair at all
> because those albums had chronological restraints and were not pure
> greatest-hits compilations.
>
> Glancing at the band's Wiki page, I'm reminded of other missing pre-'75
> hits including "Sloop John B," "Do It Again," "Darlin'," "Wouldn't It Be
> Nice" and, of course, "Heroes and Villains."
>
> Scanning the Wiki discography info now, I note that "God Only Knows"
> reached #39 in the States, which is a higher position than what multiple
> Endless Summer/Spirit of America tracks reached.
>
> To be honest, I've never really studied the track listings of those
> albums before -- especially not since I became more of a "hardcore"
> Beach Boys fan. There are some strange picks on those collections,
> especially because Spirit of America makes a half-assed attempt at
> establishing a "car" motif. "Custom Machine"? "Drive-In"? "This Car of
> Mine"? Some oddball non-originals too, such as "Tell Me Why," "A Young
> Man Is Gone" and "Graduation Day."

They were likely saving a few big hits for the "Good Vibrations-Best
Of The Beach Boys" album from later in 1975. Both "God" and "Heroes"
are on that one.

Dean F.

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Aug 22, 2012, 6:05:32 PM8/22/12
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Ha-ha-ha-ha-ha!!! The wider Marc opens his mouth, the farther in goes
his foot!

Travis_Trite

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Aug 22, 2012, 6:22:53 PM8/22/12
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>
> > Keep On Running?
> >
> > That was a bomb. Barely even cracked the top 100, and it did so a
> > month AFTER that concert. It was NOT on the charts in August of 1972.


> Ha-ha-ha-ha-ha!!! The wider Marc opens his mouth, the farther in goes
> his foot!


> > That was a bomb.


I was gonna joke earlier that Bruce doesn't like that one because it strikes
too close to his deepest fears and paranoias:

they gonna jump right out the bushes and grab him


Dean F.

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Aug 22, 2012, 6:08:44 PM8/22/12
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On Aug 22, 3:33 pm, The Bloomfield Bloviator <savo...@verizon.net>
wrote:

> We just have a case of guys fucking up memories form 40 years ago and
> confusing them with other shows from 38 or 29 years ago.

A few years ago, when I was perhaps 42, I swore that a certain record
I liked from 1982 had gone top ten. However, when I looked it up in a
Whitburn book, I found that it never got any higher than #18.

If I could have such a mistaken memory of something from 25 or so
years before, it's entirely possible (even likely) than Marc's memory
is even more muddled than mine. And understandably so.
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The Bloomfield Bloviator

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Aug 22, 2012, 10:55:15 PM8/22/12
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On Aug 22, 10:48 pm, poisoned rose <pro...@poisonedrose.com> wrote:
> The Bloomfield Bloviator <Savo...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > They were likely saving a few big hits for the "Good Vibrations-Best
> > Of The Beach Boys" album from later in 1975. Both "God" and "Heroes"
> > are on that one.
>
> So now you're saying "God Only Knows" was saved for a collection of big
> hits? Oh dear.

I was saying they needed to save some Top 40 hits to help sell that
album, but maybe Capitol didn't own some of the later masters.


> But it looks like your research skills weren't so good, this time.
>
> From the Wikipedia page about the album: "Having temporarily received
> the licensing rights to all their Capitol albums from Pet Sounds
> onwards, the band was able to exclusively use post-1965 material...."

"Spirit Of America" contained some post 1965 material, including
"Break Away." There were apparently some contractual situations with
certain songs, I guess.

Tim

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On Aug 22, 11:19 am, The Bloomfield Bloviator <Savo...@aol.com> wrote:
> On Aug 22, 2:01 pm, marcus60s <marcus...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > One must remember that the purpose of my article was the major part of
> > the concert, which was John Lennon, Yoko Ono, and Elephant's Memory.
> > My memories of every song by him are much stronger, and detailed.
> > Wonder, Flack, and Sha Na Na were on briefly and only did about 3
> > songs each.
>
> Opposite.
>
> The fact that they only did three songs each should make your memories
> of those songs STRONGER than your memories of Lennon's songs, because
> there are way fewer songs to remember from the other acts.
>
> How about just admitting that you were not all that interested in the
> oter acts, and THAT'S why your memories of their performances is not
> strong.

I'm riding Marcus's recollections of the real 60's, time wise, just
like Slim Pickins on an H-bomb, baby!!

marcus60s

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Aug 23, 2012, 11:29:21 PM8/23/12
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Now, there's an image!

Marc

http://marccatone.webs.com/onetooneconcert.htm
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