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Bwana Don

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I'm going thru my old WIXY-Sixty, Cleveland, surveys here (1967-1969),
and am going to list the songs that I believe are really obscure, and
most I never heard, but may joggle someone's memory in some fashion.
Some just seem unusual, Del Shannon "Under My Thumb", etc. Perhaps some
are a pre-cursor name of a later more famous group, or a regional hit
long forgotten. I'll weed out the ones I know for sure that are local
Cleveland. Most of these did not crack the Top 40 here in Cleveland at
least. No labels were given in the surveys. I'll start in early '67:

Tomorrow May Be Too Late-Classels
Love's Gone Bad-Underdogs
High Time-Paul Jones
Shades of Gray-Willo-Bees
Under My Thumb-Del Shannon
I Want to Go Back There Again-Chrisn Clark
A Good Thing Going-Phil Coulter

Spring '67
I've Got No More to Say-Thomas Group
I Won't Tell-Conlon & the Crawlers
California Sunshine Girl-Shackelfords
February Sunshine-Giant Sunflower
The Collector-#1
No More Running About-Lamp of Childhood
Somone Else's Arms-Rick Coyne
My World Fell Down-Sagittarius
For Your Precious Love-Oscar Toney Jr.
Bowling Green-Everly Bros.
Everybody Dance Now-Little Caeser & the Empire
You Make Me Feel Like Someone-Babies
Is It Time-City Squires

Summer '67
I Dig Your Mind-Nervous Breakdown
Try, Try, Try-Jim Valley

Fall '67
Meter Reader Maid-Bocephus
It'll Never Happen Again-Jerry Sharrell
Karate Boo-Ga-Loo--Jerry O.
Window Shopping-Messangers
As Long As You're Here-Zal Zanovsky
From the Underground-The Herd
You Mean the World to Me-David Houston
Land of Oz-Le Cirque
Georgia Pines-The Candymen
Paint It Black-Chris Farlowe
Keep On Dancin'-Harper and Rowe
South End Incident-The Beacon Street Union
You Haven't Seen My Love-The Ones
Go 'Way Little Girl-The Shames (Cryan' Shames???)
A Little Rain Must Fall-Epic Splendor

Winter '67-'68
So It Goes-Anders and Poncia
Pretty Girls Everywhere/Little Bitty Pretty One-Jesse Lopez
In the Morning-Status Cymbal
Here's To You-Hamilton Camp
Lickin' Stick-George Terrence

Spring '68
Love in Them There Hills-Vibrations
Hey Baby-Where You Gonna Go?--Richie Luvworth
A Stop Along the Way-Timothy Carr
With Pen In Hand-Johnny Darrell
Sally Had A Party-Flavor
Independent Me-Grapevine
Sandcastles-31st of February

Summer '68
Hey There, Little Miss Mary-The Convention
I Need Love-Third Booth
Sunday Morning 6 O'Clock-The Camel Drivers
Love Heals-The Colours
Per-So-Na-lly--Bobby Paris
The Sun Ain't Gonna Shine-Fuzzy Bunnies
Hole In My Pocket-Barry Goldberg

Fall '68
You Got the Love-Prof. Morrison's Lollipops
Golden Gate Park-Rejoice!
Sanctuary-The Yankee Dollar
Love Is Here-Bo Gentry & Richie Cordell
Smell of Incense-Southwest F.O.B.
Let's Dance-Richie Luvworth
Run to Him-Pat Shannon
You're So Young-Shane Martin
I Can't Stand It-Pacific Ocean
Reason to Believe-Dilliards
Eloise-Barry Ryan
Will You Be Staying After Sunday?-Fuzzie Bunnies

Winter '68-'69
If I Only Had Time-Nick DeCaro
Purple Haze-Dion (are you kidding?)
Kum Ba Yah-Tommy Leonetti
I'm the Urban Spaceman-Bonzo Dog Doo Dah Band
Mr. Poor Man-Cartoone
Look Homeward Angel-Velvet Crest
Red Balloon-Cook E. Jar
Toy-The British Casuals
Maybe Tomorrow-Iveys
Sweet Sweet Lovin' You-Jerry and Jeff
No Not Much-Smoke Ring
Day After Day-Shango
You Are the Circus-C and the Shells
I Don't Know Why-Superlatives

Spring '69
Where Did You Go To-Peter Sarstedt
Ice Cream Song-Dynamics
Home To You-Earth Opera
We Can't Go On This Way-Unchained Minds
Muddy River Water-Richard Kim Milford
Truck Stop-Jerry Smith
Let's Dance-Ola and the Janglers
It's In Your Power-Joe Odom
Brown Arms in Houston-Orpheus

Summer '69
Reconsider Me-Johnny Adams
Take Your Love and Shove It-Kane's Cousins
Curly-Jimmy Clanton (the "Just a Dream" guy???)
Maybe the Rain Will Fall-Cascades ("Rhythm of the Rain" ones???)
Looky Looky-Georgio (Didn't they do "Son of my Father"???)
All God's Children Got Soul-Dorothy Morrison
Can't Find the Time-Orpheus
Jealous Kind of Fella-Garland Green
Life and Death in G and A-Abaco Dream
Echo Park-Keith Barbour
I Guess the Lord Must be in New York City-Sagittarius
Jesus Is A Soul Man-Lawrence Reynolds

Fall '69
The Word Is Love-Thomas and Richard Frost
In The Peaceful Valley-Steve Duboff
Where Do I Go-Julius La Rosa
Sweet Lady Love-The Frost
Good Morning Love-Blues
I Gotta Have You-Horatio
Hey Girl-Panhandle
The Sun Shines For You-Guild
Get It From The Bottom-Steelers
Ain't No Mountain High Enough-California Rock Choir

Winter '69
Night Owl-Bad habits

Guess that's it for now!


Dan the Man
Cleveland, Ohio
The Rock'n'Roll Hall of Fame City

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with Billy. Hear Linda tattle. See Billy run. See Billy and his
playmates, Kathleen, Monica, Paula, and Gennifer, at
http://www.geocities.com/BourbonStreet/6951/enter.html

Brian Harvey

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Bwan...@webtv.net (Bwana Don) writes:
>Looky Looky-Georgio (Didn't they do "Son of my Father"???)

Giorgio Moroder isn't a "they"; he's a he. And yes, he had a string
of European hits, of which only "Son of My Father" made any dent in
the US, despite the heavy airplay I gave "Looky Looky" and "Moody Trudy"
and "Happy Birthday" and "Arizona Man" on my college radio station!
There was even a US album release also called _Son of My Father_,
although I think they probably only pressed one copy and sold it
directly to me. :-)

Later on he did some disco stuff, and also had some success scoring
incidental music for movies. (There was a much-hyped re-release of
"Metropolis" with digitally enhanced video and a Giorgio score
in the late 1980s I think.)

Sundazed or Varese or somebody: I'd sure buy a CD if there were one!


P.S. A couple of the other allegedly obscure songs on that list
were monster hits in Britain, most notably "From the Underworld"
by the Herd, featuring Peter Frampton before his solo success.

Bugfree99

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Well, at least I knew one of them: Maybe Tomorrow, by the Iveys! The Iveys
recorded, as far as I know, only one single, this one. I have/had the single,
but can't remember the "b" side song. You may recognize them under the name
they used for all subsequent recordings - Badfinger.

Bugfree99

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Wasn't Moroder involved with Donna Summer in her early career?

Andrew Rogers

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In article <6f7jkh$qj5$1...@newsd-199.bryant.webtv.net> Bwan...@webtv.net (Bwana Don) writes:
>I'm going thru my old WIXY-Sixty, Cleveland, surveys here (1967-1969),
>and am going to list the songs that I believe are really obscure, and
>most I never heard, but may joggle someone's memory in some fashion.

Some of these were much bigger hits nationally than you think - one hit
#20, another hit #23, and several more hit the Top 40:

>Love's Gone Bad-Underdogs

White rock band from somewhere around Detroit, signed to Motown's V.I.P.
subsidiary. Bubbled Under nationally.

>High Time-Paul Jones

The former Manfred Mann singer gone solo - I dimly recall that this was
a major hit in England.

>Under My Thumb-Del Shannon

Major hit on WPTR (Albany, NY); sounds pretty much like the Stones'
version. Bubbled Under for a single week.

>I Want to Go Back There Again-Chris Clark

Yet another white act on V.I.P.; she did the original version of the
aforementioned "Love's Gone Bad". This also Bubbled Under nationally.

>Spring '67
>I've Got No More to Say-Thomas Group

Another major hit on WPTR. The Thomas Group were led by - or at least named
after - Danny Thomas' son Tony, making at least four comedians' sons who
played drums in rock bands: Gary Lewis, Desi Arnaz Jr., Hunt Sales, and
Tony Thomas. From what I hear, they released seven or eight singles - most,
if not all, written by Sloan and Barri, no less - and *still* never had a hit.

>I Won't Tell-Conlon & the Crawlers

Heard this a few times on 'PTR too - this was Nightcrawlers leader Chuck
Conlon after they split up. Was there a line in there about "a long snake
eats more than a short one", or am I thinking of some other rant?

>My World Fell Down-Sagittarius

Highlight of the original "Nuggets", although it doesn't have a whole lot
in common with most of the other tracks. Peaked at #70 nationally.

>For Your Precious Love-Oscar Toney Jr.

Major national hit, peaking at #23.

>Bowling Green-Everly Bros.

Their final appearance in the US Top 40 - just barely, peaking *at* #40.

>Summer '67
>Try, Try, Try-Jim Valley

"Harpo" from Paul Revere and the Raiders.

>Fall '67
>Karate Boo-Ga-Loo--Jerry O.

#51 nationally, although I don't recall ever having heard it myself.

>As Long As You're Here-Zal Yanovsky

Big hit on 'PTR for the former Lovin' Spoonful guitarist; just missed the
Hot 100 nationally.

>From the Underground-The Herd

Huge hit in England for the teenybop sensations featuring future star
Peter Frampton.

>Georgia Pines-The Candymen

Roy Orbison's backup band (see the label of "Pretty Woman"), some of whom
eventually became the Atlanta Rhythm Section and/or joined later lineups of
the Classics IV. #81 nationally.

>Paint It Black-Chris Farlowe

Apparently another Stones cover from the same guy who had had a major
UK hit with "Out Of Time".

>A Little Rain Must Fall-Epic Splendor

#87 nationally.

>Winter '67-'68


>Here's To You-Hamilton Camp

#76 nationally - I remember seeing him perform this on the Smothers
Brothers.

>Spring '68


>With Pen In Hand-Johnny Darrell

Never heard this version, but this weeper became a major hit for both Vikki
Carr and Billy Vera.

>Sally Had A Party-Flavor

#95 nationally, although I recall hearing this on different stations over
the course of nearly a year so it probably would have charted higher if it
had caught on everywhere at once. Flavor guitarist Dimitri Callas went on
to replace Tommy DeVito in the Four Seasons.

>Sandcastles-31st of February

Included a couple future members of the Allman Brothers Band.

>Summer '68

>The Sun Ain't Gonna Shine-Fuzzy Bunnies

Just mentioned this in another thread - another major hit on 'PTR; peaked
at #115 nationally.

>Fall '68
>Smell of Incense-Southwest F.O.B.

#56 nationally, as far as I know the only real hit on Stax-Volt's "rock"
subsidiary, Hip.

>Will You Be Staying After Sunday?-Fuzzie Bunnies
>
>Winter '68-'69

>Purple Haze-Dion (are you kidding?)

Followup to "Abraham, Martin, and John" - peaked at #63. Slower acoustic
version, radically different from the Hendrix original.

>I'm the Urban Spaceman-Bonzo Dog Doo Dah Band

Yet another big hit in England - produced by Beatles bassist Paul McCartney
as "Apollo C. Vermouth".

>Maybe Tomorrow-Iveys

Fledgling Badfinger; peaked at #67 nationally.

>No Not Much-Smoke Ring

#85 nationally.

>Day After Day-Shango

#57 nationally.

>You Are the Circus-C and the Shells

Formerly the Sandpebbles.

>Spring '69
>Where Did You Go To-Peter Sarstedt

It's "Where Do You Go To (My Lovely)", and it peaked at #70 nationally.

>Ice Cream Song-Dynamics

#59 nationally.

>Home To You-Earth Opera

#97 nationally - EO guitarist/singer Peter Rowan went on to front Seatrain
(who remade "HTY" on one of their albums) and is now a successful producer
in Nashville.

>Brown Arms in Houston-Orpheus

#91 nationally.

>Summer '69
>Reconsider Me-Johnny Adams

#28 nationally.

>Take Your Love and Shove It-Kane's Cousins

I heard this song a couple years earlier, but I forget who it was by - I
also heard the Blues Magoos performed it live in mid-67 although I don't
recall it having been on any of their albums.

>All God's Children Got Soul-Dorothy Morrison

#95 nationally. She had been with the Edwin Hawkins Singers and sang
the featured parts on "Oh Happy Day".

>Can't Find the Time-Orpheus

#80 nationally, although it actually predated "Brown Arms In Houston" -
it had Bubbled Under for a while in 1968 and charted its second time
around.

>Jealous Kind of Fella-Garland Green

Another major national hit - peaked at #20.

>Life and Death in G and A-Abaco Dream

#74 nationally.

>Echo Park-Keith Barbour

#40 nationally.

>Jesus Is A Soul Man-Lawrence Reynolds

#28 nationally.

>Fall '69

>Get It From The Bottom-Steelers

#56 nationally.

Andrew

Chris Mezzolesta

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On 24 Mar 1998 10:46:39 -0500, rog...@star.Hi.COM (Andrew Rogers)
wrote:

>>I'm the Urban Spaceman-Bonzo Dog Doo Dah Band
>
>Yet another big hit in England - produced by Beatles bassist Paul McCartney
>as "Apollo C. Vermouth".

Like to mention here that we are on the verge of a dedicated Bonzo Dog
Band newsgroup, support is good for alt.fan.bonzo-dog, so stay tuned!

C

Ed Chipp

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Bwana Don wrote:

> I'm going thru my old WIXY-Sixty, Cleveland, surveys here (1967-1969),
> and am going to list the songs that I believe are really obscure, and
> most I never heard, but may joggle someone's memory in some fashion.
> Some just seem unusual, Del Shannon "Under My Thumb", etc. Perhaps some
> are a pre-cursor name of a later more famous group, or a regional hit
> long forgotten. I'll weed out the ones I know for sure that are local
> Cleveland. Most of these did not crack the Top 40 here in Cleveland at
> least. No labels were given in the surveys. I'll start in early '67:

That's quite an extensive yet interesting list, and as I read it I tried to
compareit to some of the obscurities I've heard or heard about here on the
west coast.
In the interest of saving bandwidth I'll snip most from your list I've heard

nothing about.

> Love's Gone Bad-Underdogs

Never heard this one, but I definitely did hear Chris Clark's version on
thesame VIP label. Others in this ng have mentioned they know the
Underdogs'.

> Shades of Gray-Willo-Bees

I've heard "It's Not Easy" by the Will-O-Bees, but not this one. Same as
Monkees?

> I Want to Go Back There Again-Chrisn Clark

This has been mentioned by me in past posts. Another great, underrated song
by Clark.

> Spring '67
> My World Fell Down-Sagittarius

I believe this song was played fairly well in some markets. Their "Another
Time" wasa beautiful love ballad I heard on radio.

> For Your Precious Love-Oscar Toney Jr.

I've only heard 'of' this song.

> Bowling Green-Everly Bros.

Bright and cheery. Loved it.

> As Long As You're Here-Zal Zanovsky

Mentioned fairly recently here by myself and others. A funky, good-timetune
by the Spoonful member (Yanovsky, BTW). Trivia note: the b-side
is the same song recorded backwards.

> A Little Rain Must Fall-Epic Splendor

I remember this, but forget how it goes since I last heard it in '67.

> Here's To You-Hamilton Camp

A good, bouncy pop song.

> Love Heals-The Colours

I remember it well but don't like or dislike it.

> Hole In My Pocket-Barry Goldberg

Haven't heard this since '68. I recall the artist being fully credited
asBarry Goldberg Reunion.

> You Got the Love-Prof. Morrison's Lollipops

This is one that I've heard a lot about, but have yet to hear.

> Golden Gate Park-Rejoice!

One of those light sunshine-pop, west coast productions.

> Smell of Incense-Southwest F.O.B.

This was a comparatively large song but somehow escaped by earswhen it was
popular. I acquired it recently in a tape trade and its OK
by me. Sounds like it and "Incense and Peppermints" may have
inspired each other.

> Eloise-Barry Ryan

An overproduced piece of drama that had limited airplay because ofits
length, 5 minutes or so. I discovered that he recorded a lot of songs in
this vein. His songs remind me of solo stage plays.

> Purple Haze-Dion (are you kidding?)

No kidding, this was for real. From what I remember of this song,
itdragged, especially after getting to know Hendrix' version.

> I'm the Urban Spaceman-Bonzo Dog Doo Dah Band

I actually heard OF this song. I would like to hear it someday, the
ersatztitle and artist pique my interest.

> Look Homeward Angel-Velvet Crest

Never heard, but I'm guessing this is the same as the Monarchs' version.

> Red Balloon-Cook E. Jar

Wow! I had forgotten about this. I heard it for a few weeks on radio,
havenever since seen it in collectors' stores. Wonder if its on CD
somewhere.

> Maybe Tomorrow-Iveys

Yes! Good song by the band to become known as Badfinger.

> Sweet Sweet Lovin' You-Jerry and Jeff

I did hear this, but didn't like it. On the Lizard label.

> No Not Much-Smoke Ring

Very nice song, in my opinion, and rather popular as a group vocalin the
style of the Vogues' later stuff.

> Day After Day-Shango

As one might suspect, this ode to earthquakes was popular here.

> Where Did You Go To-Peter Sarstedt

I've always loved this one.

> Brown Arms in Houston-Orpheus

Never got to hear this. I do like their "Can't Find the Time", though.

> Maybe the Rain Will Fall-Cascades ("Rhythm of the Rain" ones???)

Same ones. I thought this was a well-done ballad that deserved better.

> Looky Looky-Georgio (Didn't they do "Son of my Father"???)

Yes, they did, but I never heard of Looky Looky.

> All God's Children Got Soul-Dorothy Morrison

This is interesting. In the early 70's, there was an obscure song
called"Together (Body and Soulin')" by the Mission featuring Dorothy
Morrison.
"Together" had a slow-moving, haunting vocal harmony. I wonder if "All
God's Children" is in the same vein, assuming its the same D. Morrison.

> Can't Find the Time-Orpheus

Always loved this soft ballad.

> Echo Park-Keith Barbour

For some reason, I associate this song with "Eloise" by Barry Ryan. I
thinkits because of the lengthiness of both songs and the dramatic, almost
gut-
wrenching styles of both. "Echo Park" was rather depressing, though.

> Jesus Is A Soul Man-Lawrence Reynolds

Now here's a forgotten song. This actually made Top 5 on KGB, San Diego,but
since then its been long gone. A lot of the 1968-1970 songs with
references to religion have been lost, with notable exception to biggies
like
"My Sweet Lord" and "Spirit in the Sky".

> The Word Is Love-Thomas and Richard Frost

Don't know this one, but I do know their "She's Got Love".

> Guess that's it for now!

> Dan the Man
> Cleveland, Ohio
> The Rock'n'Roll Hall of Fame City

This was fun, Dan, and if I were to pull out my late 60's surveys we'd
probably
see a similar list. I'll be interested to see the comments from other songs
on your
list from the other newsgroup readers.

--
Ed
In reply, please delete '123' from my e-mail name.

Roger Shouse

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In article <6f8kgv$n...@star.Hi.COM> rog...@star.Hi.COM (Andrew Rogers) writes:
>From: rog...@star.Hi.COM (Andrew Rogers)
>Subject: Re: How's These for Obscure?
>Date: 24 Mar 1998 10:46:39 -0500

>In article <6f7jkh$qj5$1...@newsd-199.bryant.webtv.net> Bwan...@webtv.net (Bwana Don) writes:
>>I'm going thru my old WIXY-Sixty, Cleveland, surveys here (1967-1969),
>>and am going to list the songs that I believe are really obscure, and
>>most I never heard, but may joggle someone's memory in some fashion.

>Some of these were much bigger hits nationally than you think - one hit
>#20, another hit #23, and several more hit the Top 40:

>>Love's Gone Bad-Underdogs

>White rock band from somewhere around Detroit, signed to Motown's V.I.P.
>subsidiary. Bubbled Under nationally.


"I feel a poundin' in my brain
Ice cold water oozin' through my veins
Bad taste in my mouth from bitter tears
I'm feelin sad cuz LOVE'S GONE BAD!

I see a rainbow, all black!
Must be a sign that you ain't comin' back

Every time sweet love I choose
I always seem to be the one to lose..."


and that's where my memory runs out!

Roger Shouse


Bill Vermillion

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In article <6f8g9q$hr7$1...@agate.berkeley.edu>,
Brian Harvey <b...@anarres.CS.Berkeley.EDU> wrote:

>Bwan...@webtv.net (Bwana Don) writes:
>>Looky Looky-Georgio (Didn't they do "Son of my Father"???)

>Giorgio Moroder isn't a "they"; he's a he. And yes, he had a string


>of European hits, of which only "Son of My Father" made any dent in
>the US, despite the heavy airplay I gave "Looky Looky" and "Moody Trudy"
>and "Happy Birthday" and "Arizona Man" on my college radio station!
>There was even a US album release also called _Son of My Father_,
>although I think they probably only pressed one copy and sold it
>directly to me. :-)

Was he the same Georgio who recorded "Stop, the train came in".?

>Later on he did some disco stuff, and also had some success scoring
>incidental music for movies. (There was a much-hyped re-release of
>"Metropolis" with digitally enhanced video and a Giorgio score
>in the late 1980s I think.)

It may have been hyped, but it had film elements that hadn't been
seen since the days of the first release. A welcome addition to
the film, IMO.

>Sundazed or Varese or somebody: I'd sure buy a CD if there were one!

My LD of the film nor the CD of the soundtrack aren't for sale :-)
There are a couple of really good tracks on the CD along with a lot
of other artists recordings used in the film.

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Bill Vermillion

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In article <6f8kgv$n...@star.Hi.COM>, Andrew Rogers <rog...@star.Hi.COM> wrote:

>>Paint It Black-Chris Farlowe

>Apparently another Stones cover from the same guy who had had a major
>UK hit with "Out Of Time".

Great recording. Discovered it by accident. I seem to remember
the label as Immediate. I listend to ???? and liked it, and
labeled the other copy and put it in the CR for on-the-air use.
Turned it was Paint It Black with a wrong label. There was an LP
issued with that on it too as I recall.

>>Sandcastles-31st of February

>Included a couple future members of the Allman Brothers Band.

Or the Allman Joys as they used to be called when they were just
another local Florida band.

>>I'm the Urban Spaceman-Bonzo Dog Doo Dah Band

>Yet another big hit in England - produced by Beatles bassist Paul McCartney
>as "Apollo C. Vermouth".

I have four of the Bonzo Dog LPs. Eric Idle of later Monty Python
fame was in that group.

>>Maybe Tomorrow-Iveys

>Fledgling Badfinger; peaked at #67 nationally.

Great record IMO.

>>Where Did You Go To-Peter Sarstedt

>It's "Where Do You Go To (My Lovely)", and it peaked at #70 nationally.

Another good record that didn't do as well as it should.

Brian Harvey

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bi...@bilver.magicnet.net.REMOVETHIS (Bill Vermillion) writes:
>Was he the same Georgio who recorded "Stop, the train came in".?

No, I think that was the later one. Very confusing, sort of like
having two Nirvanas.

BTW I'm pretty sure there's no "e" in either Giorgio. (Nor in
Giorgio Gomelsky (-ski?), who produced some of the Yardbirds
stuff if I'm remembering correctly.) (Sorry for being so vague
about these things but I'm 3000 miles away from my record
collection at the moment.)

>>Sundazed or Varese or somebody: I'd sure buy a CD if there were one!
>My LD of the film nor the CD of the soundtrack aren't for sale :-)

No, sorry, I meant I want a CD of his early work, up to and including
the "Son of My Father" period.

Chris Mezzolesta

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On Tue, 24 Mar 1998 20:49:40 GMT, bi...@bilver.magicnet.net.REMOVETHIS
(Bill Vermillion) wrote:
>>>I'm the Urban Spaceman-Bonzo Dog Doo Dah Band

>I have four of the Bonzo Dog LPs. Eric Idle of later Monty Python


>fame was in that group.

Actually that'd be Neil Innes, who later teamed up with Idle and the
Pythons (and later became The Rutles). Innes has performed "Urban
Spaceman" as part of Python's stage show (while Carol Cleveland tap
dances)

Forgot if chart info was given in the original post - didn't this only
go #79 US? And did any other Bonzo singles chart (particularly "Mr.
Apollo")?

GUITARZ70

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Don.......i can help you with one of the songs listed under "spring of 69"
the song was "we can't go on this way" by the unchained minds this was a
local group from Appleton, Wisconsin and, i thought only got local air play
<around S.E. Wisconsin area> anyway, i believe this song was done origanally
by Paul Anka without much success <it was later covered by the unchained minds>
hope this helps Stan

BigStar303

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Not much new, but I'll add my comments:


My World Fell Down-Sagittarius
This got a lot of airplay on Dick Summer's "Nite Lite" show, and of course
was featured on the "Nuggets" compilation a few years later. Somewhere on one
of these groups recently, someone posted that the liner notes to the "Present
Tense" CD reissue credit Glen Campbell with singing lead on this. I simply
can't believe this is true. Can someone comment further? He may well have
played on it, but no way is that him singing lead.


As Long As You're Here-Zal Zanovsky

I actually have Zal's album that features this tune...in fact, the album
was issued twice, with different covers, and I've got both.


Go 'Way Little Girl-The Shames (Cryan' Shames???)

No. Not part of any discography on the Chicago lads I've ever seen.


So It Goes-Anders and Poncia

Better-known in their incarnations as The Tradewinds ("New York's a Lonely
Town," "Mind Excursion") and The Innocence ("There's Got To Be a Word!").


Hey Baby-Where You Gonna Go?--Richie Luvworth

I have this. It's on the Date label (Zombies, Distant Cousins, Clefs of
Lavender Hill).


With Pen In Hand-Johnny Darrell

Bobby Goldsboro wrote it. Vicki Carr's version is known to pop audiences,
but Johnny had a pretty substantial country hit with his.


Hole In My Pocket-Barry Goldberg

Chicago blues keyboard man, best friend to Mike Bloomfield. They cut an
album in the late 60s called "Two Jews Blues"!


You Got the Love-Prof. Morrison's Lollipops

I've got something by them, too. I believe it's on Laurie.


Smell of Incense-Southwest F.O.B.
Many have mentioned this, but I'm surprised no one has pointed out that
the band featured Dan Seals, later England Dan of John Ford Coley fame, and
still later a major country star of the 80s. Also brother to Jimmy Seals of
Seals and Crofts. The song was written and originally recorded by Bob Markley
and the West Coast Pop Art Experimental Band. Cool tune. I have SFOB's album,
too, which features naked hippie chicks on the cover!


Toy-The British Casuals
Had a fairly decent pop album on the Mainstream label called "Hour World,"
and had a member with a decided resemblance to Mick Jagger.


Maybe Tomorrow-Iveys
Many have pointed out who these guys were, but for the one poster who
couldn't recall the flip side, it was "And Her Daddy's a Millionaire." One of
the early releases on the Apple label, and a fine song.


Maybe the Rain Will Fall-Cascades ("Rhythm of the Rain" ones???)

Yes, same guys. This was on the UNI label (Neil Diamond, Strawberry Alarm
Clock, etc.) and I remember it getting a small amount of airplay. Good song.


Life and Death in G and A-Abaco Dream

It's possible I have this confused with another record, but I know I have
it and I think it's on A&M. And if I'm thinking straight, it was written by Sly
Stone.


Sweet Lady Love-The Frost
Detroit heavy/psyche band, with some similarities to MC5.

I'll close by saying that I recognize quite a few other names from albums I
nabbed for a dollar or less during the golden era of the cheapo cut-out LP in
the late 60s and early 70s. It's surprising how many of them actually made it
to long players.

Paul Sexton

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Bwana Don <Bwan...@webtv.net> wrote:
>I'm going thru my old WIXY-Sixty, Cleveland, surveys here (1967-1969),
>and am going to list the songs that I believe are really obscure, and
>most I never heard, but may joggle someone's memory in some fashion.
>Some just seem unusual, Del Shannon "Under My Thumb", etc. Perhaps some
>are a pre-cursor name of a later more famous group, or a regional hit
>long forgotten. I'll weed out the ones I know for sure that are local
>Cleveland. Most of these did not crack the Top 40 here in Cleveland at
>least. No labels were given in the surveys. I'll start in early '67:
>
>
>
>High Time-Paul Jones
>
This one reached No. 4 here in the UK in 1966.

>Under My Thumb-Del Shannon

It's just Del singing over a carbom-copy of the Rolling Stones backing
track. I've a Del Shannon LP called "10th Anniversary Album" containing
these tracks:

Runaway
Under My Thumb - the Jagger/Richard(s) song
When You Walk Into The Room - the Jackie de Shannon & Searchers song
Hats Off To Larry
Lightnin' Strikes - the Lou Christie somg
Red Rubber Ball - the Simon & Garfunkel? or Cyrkle? song
Little Town Flirt
Oh Pretty Woman - the Roy Orbison somg
Sunny - the Bobby Hebb song
Summer In The City - the Lovin' Spoonful song
The Big Hurt - the Toni Fisher song
The Pied Piper - the Crispian St. Peter song

To me, none of the covers/remakes sound as good as the original.

>My World Fell Down-Sagittarius
A Star track on the original "Nuggets" album.

>From the Underground-The Herd
UK No. 6 in 1967.

>Eloise-Barry Ryan
UK No. 2 in 1968

>If I Only Had Time-Nick DeCaro

John Rawles?

>Purple Haze-Dion (are you kidding?)

Good grief! I'd love to hear that.

>I'm the Urban Spaceman-Bonzo Dog Doo Dah Band

UK No. 5 in 1968

>Where Did You Go To-Peter Sarstedt

Do you mean "Where do you go to my lovely"? The worst song of 1969 apart
from the atrocity committed by Zager & Evans?

--
Paul Sexton Paul's Radio Museum
http://www.paulplu.demon.co.uk/radio/

Ed Chipp

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Brian Harvey wrote:

> bi...@bilver.magicnet.net.REMOVETHIS (Bill Vermillion) writes:
> >Was he the same Georgio who recorded "Stop, the train came in".?
>
> No, I think that was the later one. Very confusing, sort of like
> having two Nirvanas.
>
> BTW I'm pretty sure there's no "e" in either Giorgio. (Nor in
> Giorgio Gomelsky (-ski?), who produced some of the Yardbirds
> stuff if I'm remembering correctly.) (Sorry for being so vague
> about these things but I'm 3000 miles away from my record
> collection at the moment.)

Well, there indeed was a Georgio (with the "e") and I mistakenly bought
a single by him called "Tina Cherry", thinking it was the Giorgio of "Son
of my Father" fame. I'm sorry I did it, too! ..."Tina Cherry" was an 80's

song that was best left on the shelf.

Gary Myers

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>> ... "we can't go on this way" by the unchained minds ... this
was a local group from Appleton, Wisconsin and, i thought only
got local air play <around S.E. Wisconsin area> anyway, i
believe this song was done origanally by Paul Anka without much
success <it was later covered by the unchained minds> <<

I've got a couple of slight corrections to the above. The
Unchained Mynds were actually from La Crosse (rather than
Appleton). It was on three labels (one from La Crosse, one from
Milwaukee, then Buddah) and bubbled under at #115. They were a
very young group, and the song had originally bubbled under by
Teddy & the Pandas in '66. The Unchained Mynds are covered in my
book, "Do You Hear That Beat - Wisconsin Pop/Rock in the 50's &
60's." If interested, please visit my website:

http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/gem4777

Gary

John Frank

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bugf...@aol.com (Bugfree99) wrote:

>Wasn't Moroder involved with Donna Summer in her early career?

And with Blondie's "Call Me"?

To reply, first delete ".out" from address.

John Frank

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>Bwana Don wrote:
>
>> I'm going thru my old WIXY-Sixty, Cleveland, surveys here (1967-1969),
>> and am going to list the songs that I believe are really obscure, and
>> most I never heard, but may joggle someone's memory in some fashion.
>> Some just seem unusual, Del Shannon "Under My Thumb", etc. Perhaps some
>> are a pre-cursor name of a later more famous group, or a regional hit
>> long forgotten. I'll weed out the ones I know for sure that are local
>> Cleveland. Most of these did not crack the Top 40 here in Cleveland at
>> least. No labels were given in the surveys. I'll start in early '67:
>

Aaarghh!

My server missed your initial post! (The above is copied from Ed
Chipp's thoughtful practice of QUOTING WHAT YOU'RE RESPONDING TO -- a
practice that more on this board might take a lesson from.) Anyway,
Bwana, could you perhaps e-mail me your initial message? I really love
obscure songs that made it on local charts -- hearing them, hearing
about them.

Thanks.

John

Chris Mezzolesta

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On 24 Mar 1998 22:59:24 GMT, bigst...@aol.com (BigStar303) wrote:

>Not much new, but I'll add my comments:

>As Long As You're Here-Zal Zanovsky

> I actually have Zal's album that features this tune...in fact, the album
>was issued twice, with different covers, and I've got both.

As has been mentioned here, this has another famous backwards Buddah
B-side, basically just the backing track, but all the label copy is in
reverse, not unlike Napoleon XIV.


>
>You Got the Love-Prof. Morrison's Lollipops

> I've got something by them, too. I believe it's on Laurie.

This one's on White Whale.


Bill Curran

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Bwana Don (Bwan...@webtv.net) wrote:
: I'm going thru my old WIXY-Sixty, Cleveland, surveys here (1967-1969),

: and am going to list the songs that I believe are really obscure, and
--- snip
: most I never heard, but may joggle someone's memory in some fashion.

: My World Fell Down-Sagittarius
Popular in Southern Ontario

: Fall '67
: From the Underground-The Herd
: Land of Oz-Le Cirque
: Paint It Black-Chris Farlowe
All heard in these parts, too.
: Summer '68

: Hey There, Little Miss Mary-The Convention
: I Need Love-Third Booth
: Sunday Morning 6 O'Clock-The Camel Drivers
: Love Heals-The Colours
: Per-So-Na-lly--Bobby Paris
: The Sun Ain't Gonna Shine-Fuzzy Bunnies
: Hole In My Pocket-Barry Goldberg

: Fall '68
: Smell of Incense-Southwest F.O.B.
This brings back lots of memories - and the smell of incense
filled her room.

: Winter '68-'69
: Maybe Tomorrow-Iveys
These guys morphed into Badfinger - great tune, I remember
the Green Apple (Apple Records)

: No Not Much-Smoke Ring
This is a remake of an earlier tune in the style of the Vogues'
"Turn Around" or the Lettermen.

: Spring '69
: Where Do You Go To (My Lovely)-Peter Sarstedt
Classic folk tune with definite european flavour. Some great lines,
in this tune, and it is available on CD.

: Summer '69
: Reconsider Me-Johnny Adams
: Echo Park-Keith Barbour
This hit the charts here in Ontario.
: I Guess the Lord Must be in New York City-Sagittarius
The Harry Nilson version charted here.

: Fall '69
: Sweet Lady Love-The Frost
Excellent Michigan band - had either Wagner or Hunter (or both)
of Lou Reed/Alice Cooper/Peter Gabriel, memory is so dim I can't recall
their first names (Steve and Dick?)

--
Bill Curran Sysprog - MVS OS/2 xNIX WINx DOS
email : bill....@ibm.net Rexx on every one of them!
http://www.hwcn.org/~aa131 All Standard Disclaimers Apply

Brian Harvey

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Well if we're listing our favorite obscure oldies, I would be glad to
learn more about (or find on CD) these:

Proctor Amusement Company,
"Call Out My Name" b/w "Heard You Went Away" (Laurie)

Spectrum, "Samantha's Mine" (RCA)

In Crowd, "Questions and Answers" (I forget the label)


Leonard Los

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On Tue, 24 Mar 1998 09:50:16 -0800, Ed Chipp <Ed.Ch...@gat.com>
wrote:

>
>> Shades of Gray-Willo-Bees
>
>I've heard "It's Not Easy" by the Will-O-Bees, but not this one. Same as
>Monkees?
>

This version has more of a "folk rock" feel to it. I prefer it to the
Monkees' version, which is not to take anything away from their
version, which I also like. The Monkees' version fits in very well
with the overall sound of the" HEADQUARTERS" album which, in my
opinion ,was their finest moment.

>

>> Spring '67
>> My World Fell Down-Sagittarius
>
>I believe this song was played fairly well in some markets. Their "Another
>Time" wasa beautiful love ballad I heard on radio.

A very underated group fronted by the late Gary Usher and Curt
Boettcher, their album "Present Tense" has been released on cd by
Sundazed Records and is worth seeking out. It includes 9 bonus cuts
including the 45 rpm version of "My World Fell Down" plus previously
unreleased material and single versions.

>> As Long As You're Here-Zal Zanovsky
>

This was included on his "Alive And Well In Argentina" solo album
which was available as a 2 for 1 cd along with the Lovin' Spoonful's
"Revelation: Revolution '69 " that featured Joe Butler (Japanese
import Victor Entertainment catalogue# VICP- 5349)

Bill Vermillion

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In article <35182cf9...@news.mindspring.com>,

Chris Mezzolesta <mezzo...@mindsproing.nospam> wrote:
>On Tue, 24 Mar 1998 20:49:40 GMT, bi...@bilver.magicnet.net.REMOVETHIS
>(Bill Vermillion) wrote:
>>>>I'm the Urban Spaceman-Bonzo Dog Doo Dah Band
>
>>I have four of the Bonzo Dog LPs. Eric Idle of later Monty Python
>>fame was in that group.

>Actually that'd be Neil Innes, who later teamed up with Idle and the
>Pythons (and later became The Rutles). Innes has performed "Urban
>Spaceman" as part of Python's stage show (while Carol Cleveland tap
>dances)

I think I'm losing my mind! Thanks for the correction.

Bill Vermillion

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In article <6f98dk$dds$1...@agate.berkeley.edu>,

Brian Harvey <b...@anarres.CS.Berkeley.EDU> wrote:
>bi...@bilver.magicnet.net.REMOVETHIS (Bill Vermillion) writes:
>>Was he the same Georgio who recorded "Stop, the train came in".?
>
>No, I think that was the later one. Very confusing, sort of like
>having two Nirvanas.

>BTW I'm pretty sure there's no "e" in either Giorgio. (Nor in
>Giorgio Gomelsky (-ski?), who produced some of the Yardbirds
>stuff if I'm remembering correctly.) (Sorry for being so vague
>about these things but I'm 3000 miles away from my record
>collection at the moment.)

(My mistake in spelling)

>>>Sundazed or Varese or somebody: I'd sure buy a CD if there were one!
>>My LD of the film nor the CD of the soundtrack aren't for sale :-)

>No, sorry, I meant I want a CD of his early work, up to and including
>the "Son of My Father" period.

I just dug out my Metropolis CD. It really is a great sampling of
home some of his production and/or writing. (some co-written and
or co-produced). Some of it really is rather simplistic in the
area of production values, but still enjoyable overall.

The instrumental "Machines" is one of my favorites , along with the
Freddy Mercury "Love Kills".


Also on the CD:

Pat Benatar - "Here's My Heart"
Jon Anderson - "Cage of Freedom"
Cycle V - "Blood From a Stone"
Giorgio - "The Legend of Babel" - instrumental
Bonnie Tyler - "Here She Comes"
Loverboy - "Destruction"
Billy Squiers - "On Your Own"
Adam Ant - "What Going On"

The latter reminds me of funny story, and I don't recall if I
mentioned it here before - but there are new readers here anyway
who haven't heard it.

As you may have notice most bathroom fixtures have the manufacturers
name in light gray or light blue on the ceramic, and often it's not
removed after installation. You'll notice names such as Kohler,
American Standard, Adamant, etc.

We were cutting the "Screamin' for Vengeance" LP.

I was in the men's room standing at the urinal and Rob Halford
walks in, looks at the name "Adamant" on the fixture and says
"I wonder if that's where Adam Ant got his name?"


We were recording the "Screamin

Paul Sexton

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Chris Mezzolesta <mezzo...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>On Tue, 24 Mar 1998 20:49:40 GMT, bi...@bilver.magicnet.net.REMOVETHIS
>(Bill Vermillion) wrote:
>>>>I'm the Urban Spaceman-Bonzo Dog Doo Dah Band
>
>>I have four of the Bonzo Dog LPs. Eric Idle of later Monty Python
>>fame was in that group.
>
>Actually that'd be Neil Innes, who later teamed up with Idle and the
>Pythons (and later became The Rutles). Innes has performed "Urban
>Spaceman" as part of Python's stage show (while Carol Cleveland tap
>dances)
>

Around 1968/69 in the UK there was a television show called "Do Not
Adjust Your Set". This show featured the Bonzo Dog Doo Dah Band together
with future pythons Eric Idle, Terry Jones, Micheal Palin & Terry
Gilliam.

Mr Action

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Bugfree99 wrote in message
<199803241531...@ladder01.news.aol.com>...

there is a whole Ivey Lp put out by Sundazed Records, by the way.
i hear that its pretty good, but I havent heard it myself.

Mr Action

Bill Fish

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BigStar303 <bigst...@aol.com> wrote:


: Smell of Incense-Southwest F.O.B.


: Many have mentioned this, but I'm surprised no one has pointed out that
: the band featured Dan Seals, later England Dan of John Ford Coley fame, and
: still later a major country star of the 80s. Also brother to Jimmy Seals of
: Seals and Crofts. The song was written and originally recorded by Bob Markley
: and the West Coast Pop Art Experimental Band. Cool tune. I have SFOB's album,
: too, which features naked hippie chicks on the cover!

I loved this song,mostly because it had such a great organ part.In
those days organ players rarely got to play anything of import except for
the mind numbing "96 tears" riff .This,and Vanilla Fudge's "Keep me Hangin
On" were always the hilite of the set for me,when I got to outshine the
lead guitarist for a few minutes.
I nominate "Smell of Incense" for leadoff track on that yet to be
released compilation,"Farfisa's greatest hits"
The lyrics were cool too: "She stood,in the everpresent fullness,of
expectation.What happened to those childhood dreams? The sidewalk smothers
us tomorrow."Ah,i love it.


________________________________________________________

bill...@clark.net
"It is time for you to stop all of your sobbing"
-Ray Davies


Nick Durutta

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I was listening to this record the other day and got to thinking --
did the Iveys get their name to be a "companion" to group to the
Hollies? (Holly and Ivy, get it?) Knowing what a big Buddy Holly fan
Paul McCartney is, it makes sense. Anybody know the truth?

Paul Scott

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Bwana Don wrote:

> I'm going thru my old WIXY-Sixty, Cleveland, surveys here (1967-1969),
> and am going to list the songs that I believe are really obscure,

You could hardly call the country hits
"You Mean The World To Me" by the late DH as obscure (it went to number one)

With Pen In Hand by Eddie Ray White (deceased) went to number two
Truck Stop by JS got into top 50.

Eloise
Kum Bah Yuh
and Where Do You Go My Luverly

all secured chart success outside the US

We still play Bowling Green as a gold

LGEvilEye

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>>Smell of Incense-Southwest F.O.B.<<
I have a video of these guys performing 'The Smell Of Incense' on the Larry
Kane Show (out of Houston, TX I think) circa 1968. They're wearing some of the
most hideous pant-suits I've ever seen. Great song though.
LG


Bob Price

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Might as well throw in my 2 cents....


>Try, Try, Try-Jim Valley

Got this on Dunhill but never played it (blush)


>As Long As You're Here-Zal Zanovsky

Pretty wacky stuff, an early Buddah release. I find this record often
with picture sleeve.


>From the Underground-The Herd

Is this the group that Peter Frampton came from?


>Georgia Pines-The Candymen

ABC records. So-so stab at country-rock. The b-side, "Movies of My
Mind" is better.


>South End Incident-The Beacon Street Union

I believe this group was part of MGMs push to promote Boston-based
bands. I b-e-l-i-e-v-e that Ultimate Spinach was the most succesful
of these groups. This act was pretty dry.


>Here's To You-Hamilton Camp

Haven't played this one yet, but this WB release made the Billboard
pop charts.


>Sally Had A Party-Flavor

This Columbia release was pretty popular in my area, unfortunately.
An attempt at Young Rascals-style blue-eyed soul.


>Love Heals-The Colours

I kinda liked this Dot single. It got some airplay on the underground
stations here in Baltimore, as I recall.


>Hole In My Pocket-Barry Goldberg

O.K. rock/pop, better than your average Buddah release.


>You Got the Love-Prof. Morrison's Lollipops

White Whale.


>Golden Gate Park-Rejoice!

Dunhill. A genuine hippie anthem.

>Purple Haze-Dion (are you kidding?)

Laurie. Actually a credible, nicely done ballad arrangement of the
Hendrix number. Didn't this chart?


>I'm the Urban Spaceman-Bonzo Dog Doo Dah Band

The LPs are definately worth seeking. Especially Urban Spaceman,
which was issued under a different title in England. One of the best,
most creative bands of the sixties, they appeared in the tent show
sequence of the Beatles' Magical Mystery Tour doing "Death-Cab For
Cutie" from their first album, Gorilla. The other (American) albums
are Tadpoles, Keysham (a mock-rock opera), and their seventies
"revival" album, Let's Make Up And Be Friendly. All are highly
recommended. All but the last were on Imperial in the U.S.


>No Not Much-Smoke Ring

Another Buddah. It's the old Four Lads number, unimaginatively
redone. Blah.

>Home To You-Earth Opera

Elektra. Great number by a classic 60s group, best known for the
anthemic "American Eagle Tragedy" which also was released as a
single. Home To You charted briefly.

>It's In Your Power-Joe Odom

1-2-3, a division of Capitol. One of the better releases on this
usually dull label. A slow, bluesy R&B ballad.

>Brown Arms in Houston-Orpheus

Soft-rock number on MGM in the same vein as their hit Can't Find The
Time, which means its pretty good.


>Reconsider Me-Johnny Adams

Nice R&B "pleading" ballad from classic Ron label artist. On SSS
International. Charted.


>Curly-Jimmy Clanton (the "Just a Dream" guy???)

Yes. Laurie.

>Life and Death in G and A-Abaco Dream

A&M. The flip, Cat Woman, is a pretty funky affair, too.


>Jesus Is A Soul Man-Lawrence Reynolds

M-e-l-l-o-w pop hit from WB, catchy but (yawn)


>
>Guess that's it for now!
>
>
>

yeah me too....zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz


Bob Price

Regina Litman

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Brian Harvey wrote:
>
> Well if we're listing our favorite obscure oldies, I would be glad to
> learn more about (or find on CD) these:
>
> In Crowd, "Questions and Answers" (I forget the label)

I recall hearing this one. I think it was in the fall of 1966. I think
I may have even seen the group singing (or more likely, lip-synching)
this one on TV. If so, it was on either the nationally-televised _Where
the Action Is_ or _American Bandstand_ or the Washington, DC, dance
party show, _Wingding_.

Regina Litman

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Bwana Don wrote:
>
> I'm going thru my old WIXY-Sixty, Cleveland, surveys here (1967-1969),
> and am going to list the songs that I believe are really obscure, and

> most I never heard, but may joggle someone's memory in some fashion.
> Some just seem unusual, Del Shannon "Under My Thumb", etc. Perhaps some
> are a pre-cursor name of a later more famous group, or a regional hit
> long forgotten. I'll weed out the ones I know for sure that are local
> Cleveland. Most of these did not crack the Top 40 here in Cleveland at
> least. No labels were given in the surveys. I'll start in early '67:

I'm responding late. Some (a lot) of what I'm saying has been said
already, but I'll try to say it differently. I'm going to concentrate
on songs I actually heard on a Washington, DC, area Top 40 station -
WPGC, WEAM, or WINX - but I actually heard or heard of some of these
songs back then via other means - out-of-town stations pulled in at
night, easy-listening stations my parents put on in the car, mentions in
trade publications a friend brought me from New York in 1968, TV
appearances by these performers, or just seeing the record in stores.

> Love's Gone Bad-Underdogs

Played on WEAM briefly. It was mentioned that this was a Motown song.
I did not learn for another 20 years that the group was white or that
another white Motown act (a phrase that would have been an oxymoron to
me back in 1967 - "white Motown act") named Chris Clark had also done a
version around that time.

> A Good Thing Going-Phil Coulter

Don't know this song, and don't remember others' comments on it - but
now I wonder if this is the same song as "We Had a Good Thing Going", my
second favorite Cyrkle single (behind "Red Rubber Ball"), which came out
in the spring of 1967. I learned in 1993 that the Cyrkle song was
written by Neil Sedaka and Howard Greenfield.

> Spring '67
> February Sunshine-Giant Sunflower

I may have heard this one. I confuse it with another song I see is
further down on your list, "Sandcastles" by the 31st of February.

> My World Fell Down-Sagittarius

Yes, I heard this one. I have it on the _Nuggets_ album that others
have mentioned, though I don't remember if it's the short version or the
long version. I have one of each version on CD - the short version on a
Sony/CBS/Legacy _Rock Artifacts_ CD and the long version on a Rhino CD
called something like _Summer of Love_.

> For Your Precious Love-Oscar Toney Jr.

In the spring of 1967, WINX, generally a Top 40 station, was playing
more "soul" songs in response to this type of music's popularity among
white teenagers in the county it mainly served, Montgomery County, MD.
One week, three songs I was totally unfamiliar with showed up in the
station's Top 10 that was printed in the Washington Star newspaper -
this one plus "Hypnotized" by Linda Jones and "A Woman Can Do Wrong" by
Helene Smith. I never heard the Smith song ever. I may have heard the
other two once or twice during their brief tenure on WINX - none of
those three lasted more than that one week in the Top 10. I eventually
got "Hypnotized" on a Rhino _Soul Shots_ cassette in the late 1980s and
am now familiar with it. As for the Oscar Toney song, I don't have any
recollection of it, but I now associate the title with Jerry Butler.
Maybe it's a remake of his hit.

> You Make Me Feel Like Someone-Babies

I am guessing that this is not the same group that did "Isn't it Time"
and "I Will Always Think of You" in the second half of the 1970s, due to
the large time lag. Besides, that group was spelled Babys.

> Fall '67
> Meter Reader Maid-Bocephus

Perhaps inspired by "Lovely Rita, Meter Maid" on the Beatles' big hit
album from the previous summer?

> As Long As You're Here-Zal Zanovsky

Spent a week as WPGC's Best Bet that September but then quickly
disappeared.

> Georgia Pines-The Candymen

Also played briefly, probably on WEAM. I remember hearing it on the
radio around Halloween.

> A Little Rain Must Fall-Epic Splendor

Played on WEAM. I liked it, but WEAM was the only local station playing
it, as brief as they played it, and after our move to a far northwestern
suburb the previous summer, I couldn't pick them up at night anymore.

> Winter '67-'68
> Lickin' Stick-George Terrence

I remember a song by this title done by James Brown later in 1968 or in
1969. As I've mentioned here before, the Washington area Top 40
stations repaid their gratitude to Brown for his peacekeeping efforts
during the April 1968 riots that they added his new songs to their
playlists for a year or two after that.

> Spring '68
> Sally Had A Party-Flavor

Big hit locally because the group was from the area. Great to have a
hit song from a local group on a major label, Columbia in this case. I
loved this record, which I haven't heard since the time it was a hit, or
maybe shortly after it. Another message here, from someone in Baltimore
who didn't care much for this song, thought it sounded like the Young
Rascals. The record it reminded me of was "Gimme Some Lovin'" by the
Spencer Davis Group. I saw the Four Seasons perform at Shady Grove
Music Fair in Gaithersburg, MD, around 1973, and a guy named Dmitri who
had been in Flavor was their keyboard player.

Both Philadelphia and Washington radio had a "Sally" hit song in the
late 1960s that those in the other city probably didn't get to hear. In
Washington, it was this song. In Philadelphia, it was "Sally's Saying
Something" by Billy Harner.

> Sandcastles-31st of February

This is the one that I get confused with "February Sunshine" by the
Giant Sunflower. Although I'm not sure if I ever heard that one, I know
I heard this one because I do recall a WEAM disk jockey saying something
silly like, "Gee, I can't find that date on my calendar." If I remember
correctly, this one had a Bee Gees' sound to it (1960s' Bee Gees, that
is, not 1970's disco Bee Gees). So, I was surprised to read in other
messages here that some members went on to be in the Allman Brothers
Band.

> Summer '68
> Hey There, Little Miss Mary-The Convention

I don't know this song or group, but I have a CD of Coke commercials
from the 1960s, and there's one by the Troggs in which they sing this
line. Did they do this song, too?

> Fall '68


> You Got the Love-Prof. Morrison's Lollipops

I remembered this one being on a bluish or purplish label, and others
have pointed out that it was on White Whale. That was it. However,
this record had some connection to the "bubblegum" hits of Buddah -
either the same producers or the same songwriters or even the same group
members (especially if they were really studio musicians).

Despite its possible "bubblegum" connection, I heard this record on
WHMC, an alternative or underground station on the AM dial that would
never touch a Buddah "bubblegum" record with a 100-foot pole. I did
not, however, hear it on WPGC, WEAM, or WINX. In addition to WHMC, I
heard it on some out-of-town stations.

> Winter '68-'69
> Maybe Tomorrow-Iveys

Played briefly on WINX.

> Sweet Sweet Lovin' You-Jerry and Jeff

I heard something by Jerry and Jeff once, but I don't remember what
station. They were Kasenetz and Katz, producers of the Buddah
"bubblegum" hits, going under their first names.

> No Not Much-Smoke Ring

Others have said that this sounded like the Vogues. I thought it WAS
the Vogues! In fact, I was not imagining things - I just checked my
Whitburn book, and they had a version out in early 1969, too.

> Day After Day-Shango

I heard this one on either an out-of-town or an easy listening station,
not on a Washington Top 40 station. It is not the same song later done
by the Iveys under a different name.

> Spring '69
> We Can't Go On This Way-Unchained Minds

I heard this one once or twice on WEAM. The song was familiar because I
had heard a version by Teddy and the Pandas back in 1966. I had
forgotten who was doing the later version, however. Thanks for
reminding me.

> Truck Stop-Jerry Smith

Only got to hear this one, an instrumental, in the past couple of years
when I got it on an instrumental collection CD. I like it.

> Brown Arms in Houston-Orpheus

Played briefly on WEAM. Seems that WEAM must have been the more
adventurous station, looking back in retrospect, though it didn't seem
this way at the time. After it was gone, I heard a new song by Dionne
Warwick called "The April Fool" or something like that, and when I heard
the introduction, I thought it was "Brown Arms in Houston" starting up -
similar horn playing.

> Summer '69
> Take Your Love and Shove It-Kane's Cousins

Never heard or heard of it before, but I wonder if this was an
inspiration for "Take this Job and Shove It" of several years later.

> Can't Find the Time-Orpheus

Played a lot on the radio in Washington. This is one of those songs
that I had always thought was a big hit record, but after I got on the
Internet and started being active in the oldies newsgroups, I found out
it wasn't such a big hit after all.

> Echo Park-Keith Barbour

Another one I heard on WEAM for a short time. Of two slow, plodding
songs about Los Angeles parks that were on the radio in the late 1960s,
this is the one I dislike. "MacArthur Park" by Richard Harris took some
getting used to, but I liked it eventually. I have "Echo Park" on a
_Rock Artifacts_ CD and ALWAYS hit the skip button when I reach it.

> Fall '69
> Where Do I Go-Julius La Rosa

Around that time, he did a cover of Neil Diamond's highly personal
"Brooklyn Roads", leaving the line, "Neil, go call your brother",
intact. I knew of its existence back then, but I never heard it until
last Memorial Day.

Bill Sharkey

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How about the single, "A question of Temperature" by the BALLOON FARM.
Great late '60s pop/rock tone. I just put it on the player. Great fuzz.

bill

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paul.kaczmarek

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bi...@bilver.magicnet.net.REMOVETHIS (Bill Vermillion) wrote:
>I have four of the Bonzo Dog LPs. Eric Idle of later Monty Python
>fame was in that group.
Eric wasn't ever in the Bonzos.
He was involved with Neil Innes in The Rutles though.

Incidentally - Legs Larry Smith used to live about 50 yards from me in
Brighton, and drank in my grandfather's pub.

Couldn't resisit one evening, and asked him 'Have you got a light,
Mac?' to which he didn't give the magnificent reply from 'Big Shot'
'No, but I've got a dark brown overcoat', but, 'Oh, bloody hell -
don't tell anyone who I am please, it's about the only place around
here I can get a good game of darts and a pint without being
recognised'.

paul.ka...@ukonline.co.uk

>
>>>Maybe Tomorrow-Iveys
>
>>Fledgling Badfinger; peaked at #67 nationally.
>
>Great record IMO.


>
>>>Where Did You Go To-Peter Sarstedt
>

>>It's "Where Do You Go To (My Lovely)", and it peaked at #70 nationally.
>
>Another good record that didn't do as well as it should.

collector

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>> Well if we're listing our favorite obscure oldies, I would be glad to
>> learn more about (or find on CD) these:
>> In Crowd, "Questions and Answers" (I forget the label)

good song...the fipside is even better


Graeme Freeland

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Bwana Don wrote:

> I'm going thru my old WIXY-Sixty, Cleveland, surveys here (1967-1969),
> and am going to list the songs that I believe are really obscure, and
> most I never heard, but may joggle someone's memory in some fashion.

> Eloise-Barry Ryan

#2 in UK, #3 in Australia

> I'm the Urban Spaceman-Bonzo Dog Doo Dah Band

#5 in UK, #10 in Australia

> Where Did You Go To My Lovely-Peter Sarstedt

#1 (6 weeks) in Australia, #1 (4 wk) in UK and just about my all-time
favorite record.

> Jesus Is A Soul Man-Lawrence Reynolds

#13 in Australia.

Graeme Freeland

collector

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Over the last few days some nice obscurities were posted here (YAY!)
Finally my "prayers" have been heard...people are digging up some
unknown/less-known late 60's 45's :)
Then one day, "Bwana Don" posted a list of obscure 45's...
Fact is, who actually has the following songs which "Bwana" listed.:

I've Got No More to Say-Thomas Group
I Won't Tell-Conlon & the Crawlers
California Sunshine Girl-Shackelfords
Somone Else's Arms-Rick Coyne


For Your Precious Love-Oscar Toney Jr.

Everybody Dance Now-Little Caeser & the Empire


You Make Me Feel Like Someone-Babies

Is It Time-City Squires
I Dig Your Mind-Nervous Breakdown
Try, Try, Try-Jim Valley
Meter Reader Maid-Bocephus
It'll Never Happen Again-Jerry Sharrell
Karate Boo-Ga-Loo--Jerry O.
Window Shopping-Messangers


As Long As You're Here-Zal Zanovsky

You Mean the World to Me-David Houston
Land of Oz-Le Cirque
You Haven't Seen My Love-The Ones


So It Goes-Anders and Poncia

Pretty Girls Everywhere/Little Bitty Pretty One-Jesse Lopez


Here's To You-Hamilton Camp

Lickin' Stick-George Terrence
Love in Them There Hills-Vibrations
A Stop Along the Way-Timothy Carr
Sally Had A Party-Flavor
Independent Me-Grapevine


Hey There, Little Miss Mary-The Convention

I Need Love-Third Booth


Per-So-Na-lly--Bobby Paris
The Sun Ain't Gonna Shine-Fuzzy Bunnies

Hole In My Pocket-Barry Goldberg

Sanctuary-The Yankee Dollar
Love Is Here-Bo Gentry & Richie Cordell
Let's Dance-Richie Luvworth
You're So Young-Shane Martin
I Can't Stand It-Pacific Ocean
Reason to Believe-Dilliards
Look Homeward Angel-Velvet Crest


Sweet Sweet Lovin' You-Jerry and Jeff

You Are the Circus-C and the Shells
I Don't Know Why-Superlatives
Ice Cream Song-Dynamics


We Can't Go On This Way-Unchained Minds

It's In Your Power-Joe Odom

Reconsider Me-Johnny Adams
Jealous Kind of Fella-Garland Green
The Word Is Love-Thomas and Richard Frost
In The Peaceful Valley-Steve Duboff
Good Morning Love-Blues
I Gotta Have You-Horatio
Hey Girl-Panhandle
The Sun Shines For You-Guild
Get It From The Bottom-Steelers
Ain't No Mountain High Enough-California Rock Choir
Night Owl-Bad habits

Ron


Chris Mezzolesta

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On Sun, 29 Mar 1998 04:16:40 GMT, gi3...@glo.be (collector) wrote:
>Fact is, who actually has the following songs which "Bwana" listed.:

>As Long As You're Here-Zal Yanovsky

I have 2 copies of this one (one on green Buddah?!?!, one on red
Buddah?!?!, neither on the familiar marbled label), plus "You Got the
Love" - Prof. Morrison's Lollipop on White Whale. None in
extraordinary shape of course.....

RandyPNY

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Ron wrote:
>Over the last few days some nice obscurities were posted here (YAY!)
>Finally my "prayers" have been heard...people are digging up some
>unknown/less-known late 60's 45's :)
>Then one day, "Bwana Don" posted a list of obscure 45's...
>Fact is, who actually has the following songs which "Bwana" listed.:

I have these on LP and/or CD:

For Your Precious Love-Oscar Toney Jr.

Karate Boo-Ga-Loo--Jerry O.


You Haven't Seen My Love-The Ones

Here's To You-Hamilton Camp

Sally Had A Party-Flavor


The Sun Ain't Gonna Shine-Fuzzy Bunnies

Reconsider Me-Johnny Adams
Jealous Kind of Fella-Garland Green

- Randy

BustertheK

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>> Fall '67
>> Meter Reader Maid-Bocephus
>

This was actually Hank Williams Jr. trying for a rock career.
Produced by Huey P. Meaux and had a Sir Douglas Quintet type backing.
It's on the Box Set of his MGM years, along with his Meaux-produced version of
"Splish Splash".

BustertheK

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Mar 29, 1998, 3:00:00 AM3/29/98
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>> Summer '69
>> Take Your Love and Shove It-Kane's Cousins
>
>

The Hombres had a record out around the same time called
""Take My Overwhelming Love (And Cram It Up Your Heart)".
A much better variation on the same theme.

Regina Litman

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Mar 30, 1998, 3:00:00 AM3/30/98
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Some corrections to my original thoughts:

Regina Litman wrote:
>
> Bwana Don wrote:
> >
> > Winter '68-'69


> > Sweet Sweet Lovin' You-Jerry and Jeff
>
> I heard something by Jerry and Jeff once, but I don't remember what
> station. They were Kasenetz and Katz, producers of the Buddah
> "bubblegum" hits, going under their first names.

Actually, I do remember the station - WEAM again. What I meant to say
is that I don't remember the title.

> > Day After Day-Shango
>
> I heard this one on either an out-of-town or an easy listening station,
> not on a Washington Top 40 station. It is not the same song later done
> by the Iveys under a different name.

What I meant in that last sentence is that the Iveys had a different
name (Badfinger), not the song.

> > Fall '69
> > Where Do I Go-Julius La Rosa
>
> Around that time, he did a cover of Neil Diamond's highly personal
> "Brooklyn Roads", leaving the line, "Neil, go call your brother",
> intact. I knew of its existence back then, but I never heard it until
> last Memorial Day.

The Julius La Rosa recording whose existence I knew of around the time
it came out but which I didn't hear until May 26, 1997, was "Brooklyn
Roads". I never heard of his recording of "Where Do I Go" until the
message from Bwana Don. Now I wonder if this is the song called "Where
Do I Go" that was in the musical _Hair_ that was popular around this
time. The Happenings did a version of this song back around that time.

Regina Litman

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RandyPNY wrote:
>
> Ron wrote:
> >Over the last few days some nice obscurities were posted here (YAY!)
> >Finally my "prayers" have been heard...people are digging up some
> >unknown/less-known late 60's 45's :)
> >Then one day, "Bwana Don" posted a list of obscure 45's...
> >Fact is, who actually has the following songs which "Bwana" listed.:
>
> I have these on LP and/or CD:
>
> Sally Had A Party-Flavor

[other songs snipped]

What LP and/or CD is this one on?

collector

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Regina Litman <rsli...@philly.infi.net> wrote:

>RandyPNY wrote:
>>
>> Ron wrote:
>> >Over the last few days some nice obscurities were posted here (YAY!)
>> >Finally my "prayers" have been heard...people are digging up some
>> >unknown/less-known late 60's 45's :)
>> >Then one day, "Bwana Don" posted a list of obscure 45's...
>> >Fact is, who actually has the following songs which "Bwana" listed.:

this is what I wrote (still have the original post)
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------

>>
>> I have these on LP and/or CD:

---> this was not included in the above email
>> Sally Had A Party-Flavor

>What LP and/or CD is this one on?

To my knowdledge 'none', which is why I would like to hear it...
never heard it before....same as the others which Bwana Don listed...

Ron


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