Famous 50's American records that were DIFFERENT in England
Roger Ford
contemporary English pressings
JOHNNY BOND - "HOT ROD LINCOLN" 1960
On the UK London issue the title became "Hot Rod Jalopy".
I don't have the UK pressing so can't say if the song itself was
re-recorded or not.
EDDIE COCHRAN - "TWENTY FLIGHT ROCK" 1957
Another really famous different record----the UK single (that was
issued first) is the complete soundtrack version as heard in "The Girl
Can't Help It" whereas the US Liberty single is a much weaker,less
punchy version with chorus.
GEORGE HAMILTON IV - "A ROSE AND A BABY RUTH" 1956
Was'nt a "Baby Ruth" a chocolate bar in the USA?
They were never sold here which makes it all the more incredible that
the title was altered here to remove the offending brand
name---becoming "A Rose And A CANDY BAR".
I don't have the UK pressing to know if the song itself was altered or
if Hamilton did a UK re-recording
JOHNNY HORTON - "THE BATTLE OF NEW ORLEANS" 1959
One of the most famous "different" records of all time," the BBC here
predictably refused to play the original because of the unflattering
references to the "bloody British" threatening to deprive Columbia
(Philips here) of a major UK hit.
The US company did no more than order Horton back into the studio to
recut the song----not only removing the offending "bloody British"
references but also rewriting history (..."in 1814 we took a little
trip along with Colonel PAKENHAM....."Pakenham being the BRITISH
commander!) and placing Horton on the wrong side in the battle!
Truly amazing stuff!
But the resulting record (which otherwise is a very faiithful
copy,difficult to tell apart from the original (other than lyricwise)
was accepted by the BBC and became a big UK chart hit (although it was
swamped by a UK cover from Lonnie Donegan)
PEE WEE KING - "SLOW POKE" 1951
Aftwer the BBC objected the title (which here is a slang term meaning
exactly what you think it means! :-) was altered to the less offensive
"Slow Coach".Not sure if the actiual song was re-recorded for the UK.
THE PLAYMATES - "BEEP BEEP" 1958
The Playmates fell foul of the BBC on this one with the car brand name
references---not allowed here at that time.Not wishing to risk a total
ban on the record Morris Levy had The Playmates recut the song
removing the "Cadillac" and "Nash Rambler" references and replacing
them with "limousine" and "little bubble car" in all the right
places.The record otherwise sounds identical.
ELVIS PRESLEY - "I GOT A WOMAN" 1956
The song was included on his debut LP here too but under the curious
title "I Got A Sweetie" (no I don't know why either!).The lyrics are
otherwise the same as the US issue.
My guess is that it had something to do with the earlier Jo Stafford
version of the song that WAS titled "I Got A Sweetie".
The Ray Charles original was never issued here at this time.
JIMMIE RODGERS - "HONEYCOMB" 1957
I don't have a UK copy to verify this but I believe several times it
has been mentioned on here that this record whilst not entirely banned
by the BBC was on their "heavily restricted" list (due to the
so-called "flippant" references to the Almighty in the song).The
partial ban was enough to deprive Rodgers of a major hit here and
consign the record to a meagre #30 for one week spot.
Mention was made that Rodgers seems to have recorded the song for UK
release.
ROSIE & THE ORIGINALS - "ANGEL BABY" 1960
Another famous one----not sure why there are two released versions of
this---but the UK issue is a drastically different take leased from
Highland---much shorter (a full minute!) and minus most of the superb
sax solo (!) tho Rosie sounds in marginally better voice.The original
US issue appears to have an extra verse.
CONWAY TWITTY - "DANNY BOY" 1959
Totally banned here for reasons I'm still not completely sure
of----requiring Twitty to go back in the studio to re-record the
song---this time with compleyely new lyrics (tho the same "Londonderry
Air" tune) which was now marketed in the UK as "Rosaleena"
I'd be grateful to hear from anyone who can answer any of the
questions raised in the comments on these records or who has any
(there are more!) they wish to add----or who,of course has any other
comments .
ROGER FORD
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Bob Moke
Ford) wrote:
>All the following American 50's records DIFFERED in some way on their
>contemporary English pressings
>PEE WEE KING - "SLOW POKE" 1951
>After the BBC objected the title (which here is a slang term meaning
>exactly what you think it means! :-) was altered to the less offensive
>"Slow Coach".Not sure if the actiual song was re-recorded for the UK.
Are you perhaps thinking of King's "Slow Bloke," the
re-recording-for-UK version?
It was close to the original except for the inclusion of the ticking
clock at the very beginning and substitution of "bloke" for "poke."
"Bloke" is included on the Bear Fambly box set, but no "coach."
Bob
pen...@earthlink.net
>GEORGE HAMILTON IV - "A ROSE AND A BABY RUTH" 1956
>
>Was'nt a "Baby Ruth" a chocolate bar in the USA?
and it still is. Yummy Yum!!!!!
>
>They were never sold here which makes it all the more incredible that
>the title was altered here to remove the offending brand
>name---becoming "A Rose And A CANDY BAR".
>
>I don't have the UK pressing to know if the song itself was altered or
>if Hamilton did a UK re-recording
<snip>
Mark Dintenfass
at pen...@earthlink.net wrote on 2/20/02 7:58 PM:
>> GEORGE HAMILTON IV - "A ROSE AND A BABY RUTH" 1956
>>
>> Was'nt a "Baby Ruth" a chocolate bar in the USA?
>
> and it still is. Yummy Yum!!!!!
>>
It was named in honor of Babe Ruth.
Now I wonder if Roger is going to ask us who Babe Ruth was. :-)
--md
Roger Ford
wrote:
No,it was definitely titled "Slow Coach" here on original 1952 issue.
HMV B 10203 PEE WEE KING Slow Coach
b/w HANK SNOW Down The Trail Of Achin Hearts
I don't have the record so I am unable to say whether the actual
recording was the original US "Slow Poke" or whether it was the
re-recording you mention above.
Roger Ford
><snip>
>>GEORGE HAMILTON IV - "A ROSE AND A BABY RUTH" 1956
>>
>>Was'nt a "Baby Ruth" a chocolate bar in the USA?
>
>and it still is. Yummy Yum!!!!!
>>
I remember seeing them advertised in the imported American "Superman"
comics I used to collect!
Roger Ford
I was'nt aware that Ruth Brown was that well known when she was a
baby?
Marc Dashevsky
> in article 61087usel620qlo5l...@4ax.com, pen...@earthlink.net
> at pen...@earthlink.net wrote on 2/20/02 7:58 PM:
>
> >> GEORGE HAMILTON IV - "A ROSE AND A BABY RUTH" 1956
> >>
> >> Was'nt a "Baby Ruth" a chocolate bar in the USA?
> >
> > and it still is. Yummy Yum!!!!!
>
> It was named in honor of Babe Ruth.
The is some dispute over whether it was named for the Babe or for
the daughter of President Grover Cleveland.
http://www.urbanlegends.com/products/baby.ruth/baby_ruth_candy_bar.html
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Len Blanks
> In article <B8996526.8549%dint...@lawrence.edu>, dint...@lawrence.edu says...
>> in article 61087usel620qlo5l...@4ax.com, pen...@earthlink.net
>> at pen...@earthlink.net wrote on 2/20/02 7:58 PM:
>>
>> >> GEORGE HAMILTON IV - "A ROSE AND A BABY RUTH" 1956
>> >>
>> >> Was'nt a "Baby Ruth" a chocolate bar in the USA?
>> >
>> > and it still is. Yummy Yum!!!!!
>>
>> It was named in honor of Babe Ruth.
> The is some dispute over whether it was named for the Babe or for
> the daughter of President Grover Cleveland.
> http://www.urbanlegends.com/products/baby.ruth/baby_ruth_candy_bar.html
There is a minority opinion with some support that both were named for
the chocolate bar or something like it.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/briefings/20010129.html
--
Len
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Marc Dashevsky
> Marc Dashevsky <m_...@world.std.com> writes:
> > In article <B8996526.8549%dint...@lawrence.edu>, dint...@lawrence.edu says...
> >> in article 61087usel620qlo5l...@4ax.com, pen...@earthlink.net
> >> at pen...@earthlink.net wrote on 2/20/02 7:58 PM:
> >>
> >> >> GEORGE HAMILTON IV - "A ROSE AND A BABY RUTH" 1956
> >> >>
> >> >> Was'nt a "Baby Ruth" a chocolate bar in the USA?
> >> >
> >> > and it still is. Yummy Yum!!!!!
> >>
> >> It was named in honor of Babe Ruth.
>
> > The is some dispute over whether it was named for the Babe or for
> > the daughter of President Grover Cleveland.
>
> > http://www.urbanlegends.com/products/baby.ruth/baby_ruth_candy_bar.html
>
> There is a minority opinion with some support that both were named for
> the chocolate bar or something like it.
>
> http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/briefings/20010129.html
I found an earlier reference:
http://www.carm.org/kjv/Ruth/Ruth_1.htm
Bob Moke
Ford) wrote regarding "Slow Bloke" by Pee Wee King
>On Wed, 20 Feb 2002 19:49:33 GMT, Bob Moke <themus...@comcast.net>
>wrote:
>
>>It was close to the original except for the inclusion of the ticking
>>clock at the very beginning and substitution of "bloke" for "poke."
>>
>>"Bloke" is included on the Bear Fambly box set, but no "coach."
My bad. I had earlier looked at the box set contents on CDNOW and
completely missed "Slow Coach," which was sitting right there next to
"Slow Bloke."
>No,it was definitely titled "Slow Coach" here on original 1952 issue.
>
>HMV B 10203 PEE WEE KING Slow Coach
>b/w HANK SNOW Down The Trail Of Achin Hearts
Still, someone about three years ago (Norm, perhaps?) posted "Slow
Bloke" to the 50s group from vinyl (I still have the file....it's got
obvious surface noise that's not on the CD version), so "Bloke" was
plainly recorded for some country outside the U.S. Anyone know where?
I don't own the box set, so I can't check the discographical notes.
Thanks for the clarification, Roger.
Bob
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Cathy D
<mari...@bblueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
> GEORGE HAMILTON IV - "A ROSE AND A BABY RUTH" 1956
>
> Was'nt a "Baby Ruth" a chocolate bar in the USA?
>
> They were never sold here which makes it all the more incredible that
> the title was altered here to remove the offending brand
> name---becoming "A Rose And A CANDY BAR".
If they weren't sold in the UK perhaps the BBC felt that the reference
would confuse people or might lead them to draw the wrong conclusion?
Cathy :)
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Roger Ford
>In article <3c73efb5...@news.blueyonder.co.uk>, Roger Ford
><mari...@bblueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> GEORGE HAMILTON IV - "A ROSE AND A BABY RUTH" 1956
>>
>> Was'nt a "Baby Ruth" a chocolate bar in the USA?
>>
>> They were never sold here which makes it all the more incredible that
>> the title was altered here to remove the offending brand
>> name---becoming "A Rose And A CANDY BAR".
>
>If they weren't sold in the UK perhaps the BBC felt that the reference
>would confuse people or might lead them to draw the wrong conclusion?
>
I don't really see that.
For example,earlier in the 50's when the BBC was even more strict
several of the US "Hadacol" songs appeared here unaltered ("Hadacol
Boogie" etc) yet to my knowledge that wonderful concoction was never
sold here nor would most Britishers even have known what it was----any
more than they knew what a "Baby Ruth" was.
Likewise in "Beep Beep" I'm sure one of the other English guys will
correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think Nash Ramblers ever made it
over here----and in those days,although they *were* imported here (but
sparingly because of the enormous cost) you can just imagine how often
I encountered a Caddy on the poor working class London streets where I
lived.
Roger Ford
Ford) wrote:
>All the following American 50's records DIFFERED in some way on their
>contemporary English pressings
>
>ROSIE & THE ORIGINALS - "ANGEL BABY" 1960
>
>Another famous one----not sure why there are two released versions of
>this---but the UK issue is a drastically different take leased from
>Highland---much shorter (a full minute!) and minus most of the superb
>sax solo (!) tho Rosie sounds in marginally better voice.The original
>US issue appears to have an extra verse.
>
Anybody got the "Roots" album which I believe has John Lennon's
version of "Angel Baby" on it? I assume he was most familiar with the
different version as issued here by London in 1960 but I'm curious as
to which version he follows in his recording?
Roger Ford
<dint...@lawrence.edu> wrote:
I don't know that much about American sporting legends but I know just
a tad about this one :-)
But,putting the boot on the other foot how are you on telling me who
British sporting legend Stanley Matthews was?
Mark Dintenfass
<mari...@bblueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
> But,putting the boot on the other foot how are you on telling me who
> British sporting legend Stanley Matthews was?
The great dribbler? We all know about him. :-)
Roger Ford
wrote:
Bob,here's an old post from my files fdetailing an exchange I had with
Graeme Freeland in Australia about this record.Grame added some
pertinent info which may be of interest :-
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On Wed, 22 Jul 1998 22:38:29 +1000, Graeme Freeland
<graeme....@dwt.csiro.au> wrote:
<snipped>
>> >"Slowcoach" (the re-recorded "Slowpoke") was big for Pee Wee and
>> >Redd Stewart too.
>> >
>> Was it actually re-recorded? It was a big hit here too but I don't
>> really remember it and there were LOADS of versions.I thought they
>> simply retitled it.
>
>HMV EA-4021 Slow Coach/Strange Little Coach
>
Here the Pee Wee King record was HMV 10203 "Slow Coach" b/w Hank
Snow's "Down The Trail Of Achin' Hearts"
>I have the record. Re-recorded with "slow coach" in lyric.
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So from what he says looks like it was "Slow Coach" in Aussie too!
Roger Ford
Without looking him up in Google? Gee,I'm impressed!
Paul Sexton
<mari...@bblueyonder.co.uk> writes
>
>Likewise in "Beep Beep" I'm sure one of the other English guys will
>correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think Nash Ramblers ever made it
>over here----and in those days,although they *were* imported here (but
>sparingly because of the enormous cost) you can just imagine how often
>I encountered a Caddy on the poor working class London streets where I
>lived.
>
We didn't have Nash Ramblers but we did have a car that was made by
Austin in some deal with Nash. It was called the Metropolitan, it looked
like a small Nash Rambler & was sold on both sides of the Atlantic.
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Roger Ford
<Pa...@shut.up.bloody.vikings> wrote:
>In article <3c74871...@news.blueyonder.co.uk>, Roger Ford
><mari...@bblueyonder.co.uk> writes
>>
>>Likewise in "Beep Beep" I'm sure one of the other English guys will
>>correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think Nash Ramblers ever made it
>>over here----and in those days,although they *were* imported here (but
>>sparingly because of the enormous cost) you can just imagine how often
>>I encountered a Caddy on the poor working class London streets where I
>>lived.
>>
>
>We didn't have Nash Ramblers but we did have a car that was made by
>Austin in some deal with Nash. It was called the Metropolitan, it looked
>like a small Nash Rambler & was sold on both sides of the Atlantic.
>
"While riding in my Cadillac
Much to my surprise
A little Metropolitan was following me
About one third my size....."
Hmmmmm........does'nt *quite* scan,does it? :-)
Mark Dintenfass
<mari...@bblueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
> On Thu, 21 Feb 2002 06:04:08 -0600, Mark Dintenfass
> <roots...@root.com> wrote:
>
> >In article <3c74d18c...@news.blueyonder.co.uk>, Roger Ford
> ><mari...@bblueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> >> But,putting the boot on the other foot how are you on telling me who
> >> British sporting legend Stanley Matthews was?
> >
> >The great dribbler? We all know about him. :-)
>
> Without looking him up in Google? Gee,I'm impressed!
>
I wasn't allowed to use Google? Now you tell me! :-)
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>On Wed, 20 Feb 2002 23:09:54 -0400, Cathy D <cath...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>>In article <3c73efb5...@news.blueyonder.co.uk>, Roger Ford
>><mari...@bblueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> GEORGE HAMILTON IV - "A ROSE AND A BABY RUTH" 1956
>>>
>>> Was'nt a "Baby Ruth" a chocolate bar in the USA?
>>>
>>> They were never sold here which makes it all the more incredible that
>>> the title was altered here to remove the offending brand
>>> name---becoming "A Rose And A CANDY BAR".
>>
>>If they weren't sold in the UK perhaps the BBC felt that the reference
>>would confuse people or might lead them to draw the wrong conclusion?
>>
>I don't really see that.
>
>For example,earlier in the 50's when the BBC was even more strict
>several of the US "Hadacol" songs appeared here unaltered ("Hadacol
>Boogie" etc) yet to my knowledge that wonderful concoction was never
>sold here nor would most Britishers even have known what it was----any
>more than they knew what a "Baby Ruth" was.
>
>Likewise in "Beep Beep" I'm sure one of the other English guys will
>correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think Nash Ramblers ever made it
>over here----and in those days,although they *were* imported here (but
>sparingly because of the enormous cost) you can just imagine how often
>I encountered a Caddy on the poor working class London streets where I
>lived.
What about that Metropolitan?
Most of the Caddys I encountered involved tea.
>
>ROGER FORD
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>On Wed, 20 Feb 2002 14:37:26 +0000, Mark Dintenfass
><dint...@lawrence.edu> wrote:
>
>>in article 61087usel620qlo5l...@4ax.com, pen...@earthlink.net
>>at pen...@earthlink.net wrote on 2/20/02 7:58 PM:
>>
>>>> GEORGE HAMILTON IV - "A ROSE AND A BABY RUTH" 1956
>>>>
>>>> Was'nt a "Baby Ruth" a chocolate bar in the USA?
>>>
>>> and it still is. Yummy Yum!!!!!
>>>>
>>
>>It was named in honor of Babe Ruth.
>>
>>Now I wonder if Roger is going to ask us who Babe Ruth was. :-)
>>
>I don't know that much about American sporting legends but I know just
>a tad about this one :-)
>
>But,putting the boot on the other foot how are you on telling me who
>British sporting legend Stanley Matthews was?
>
>ROGER FORD
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>From: mari...@bblueyonder.co.uk (Roger Ford)
>Date: 2/20/02 12:58 PM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: <3c740b12...@news.blueyonder.co.uk>
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