TIN|A TURNER DEAD

[Roger Ford]

Tina Turner has died aged 83 in Switzerlanddoed 9in Swiitzerland

Details to follow

ROGER FORD
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[Roger Ford]

On Wed, 24 May 2023 19:09:14 GMT, mari...@bblueyonder.co.uk (Roger
Ford) wrote:

>Tina Turner has died aged 83 in Switzerlanddoed 9in Swiitzerland
>
>Details to follow
>

Apologies for the keyboard failure

[Bruce]

https://www.billboard.com/music/music-news/tina-turner-dead-obituary-7318783/

[Bill B]

On Wednesday, May 24, 2023 at 4:34:55 PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
> https://www.billboard.com/music/music-news/tina-turner-dead-obituary-7318783/


Never one of my favorites. Too frenetic.

[RWC]

On Wed, 24 May 2023 13:37:29 -0700 (PDT), Bill B <bb...@optonline.net>
wrote:

>On Wednesday, May 24, 2023 at 4:34:55?PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
>> https://www.billboard.com/music/music-news/tina-turner-dead-obituary-7318783/
>

>... Too frenetic.

noted, Bill ...

[Bruce]

I only liked the real frenetic records, did not like the later pop stuff after she left Ike.

[RWC]

On Wed, 24 May 2023 19:12:33 GMT, mari...@bblueyonder.co.uk (Roger

Ford) wrote:

>On Wed, 24 May 2023 19:09:14 GMT, mari...@bblueyonder.co.uk (Roger
>Ford) wrote:
>
>>Tina Turner has died aged 83 in Switzerland
>>

>>Details to follow
>>
BARD said:

Tina Turner's first recording{, as Little Anna Mae Bullock, b. Nov
1939,} was a song called "Boxtop" in 1958. She was 16{?} years old at
the time and was singing {in the background} with Ike Turner's Kings
of Rhythm. The song was not a commercial success, but it did help to
launch Turner's career.

Boxtop [Tune Town 501]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8YN1AB5snUQ
Tina's vocal contribution can certainly be heard

[Dean F.]

On Wednesday, May 24, 2023 at 4:37:30 PM UTC-4, Bill B wrote:

> Never one of my favorites. Too frenetic.

Nobody asked you.

[Dean F.]

I'll be paying tribute to her on this Friday's "Soul Express."

[Roger Ford]

On Wed, 24 May 2023 14:00:04 -0700 (PDT), Bruce <Sav...@aol.com>
wrote:

>On Wednesday, May 24, 2023 at 4:37:30=E2=80=AFPM UTC-4, Bill B wrote:
>> On Wednesday, May 24, 2023 at 4:34:55=E2=80=AFPM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:=20
>> > https://www.billboard.com/music/music-news/tina-turner-dead-obituary-73=
>18783/=20
>>=20
>>=20

>> Never one of my favorites. Too frenetic.
>

>I only liked the real frenetic records, did not like the later pop stuff af=
>ter she left Ike.

I guess my feelings about Tina on record are pretty similar

But what's your take on "River Deep Mountain High" which is the one
that usually causes the most arguments amongst fans

[Bill B]

And nobody asked you to object.

[Jim Colegrove]

On Wed, 24 May 2023 14:00:04 -0700 (PDT), Bruce <Sav...@aol.com>

wrote:

>On Wednesday, May 24, 2023 at 4:37:30?PM UTC-4, Bill B wrote:

>> On Wednesday, May 24, 2023 at 4:34:55?PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
>> > https://www.billboard.com/music/music-news/tina-turner-dead-obituary-7318783/
>>
>>
>> Never one of my favorites. Too frenetic.
>
>I only liked the real frenetic records, did not like the later pop stuff after she left Ike.

I agree with that. I once saw the Ike and Tina Turner Reviiew at
Basiin Street West, San Francisco in 1969. It was a grest show.

[Bruce]

On Thursday, May 25, 2023 at 2:53:38 AM UTC-4, Roger Ford wrote:
> On Wed, 24 May 2023 14:00:04 -0700 (PDT), Bruce <Sav...@aol.com>
> wrote:
>
> >On Wednesday, May 24, 2023 at 4:37:30=E2=80=AFPM UTC-4, Bill B wrote:
> >> On Wednesday, May 24, 2023 at 4:34:55=E2=80=AFPM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:=20
> >> > https://www.billboard.com/music/music-news/tina-turner-dead-obituary-73=
> >18783/=20
> >>=20
> >>=20
> >> Never one of my favorites. Too frenetic.
> >
> >I only liked the real frenetic records, did not like the later pop stuff af=
> >ter she left Ike.
>
> I guess my feelings about Tina on record are pretty similar
>
> But what's your take on "River Deep Mountain High" which is the one
> that usually causes the most arguments amongst fans

It's nothing special. I even like the Supremes/Tops hit version a little better.

[Bruce]

Just like old times, Bill & Dean bickering!

[Bruce]

> Basiin Street West, San Francisco in 1969. It was a great show.

Samp rates them as a top 10 all time live act in rock and roll.

https://digitaldreamdoor.com/pages/best_liveband.html

[DianeE]

Someone on the news was telling a story about an interview Ike gave
later in his life. Ike said that in the 1950s he was writing songs he
needed someone like Little Richard to sing. When he met Tina, he said,
"Tina was my Little Richard."

This struck me as an extremely odd thing to say, but I guess it makes
sense from a business point of view. Maybe. I don't know.

[Mark D.]

I can see a comparison between Tina and Little Richard as performers. Rough
voices, turning the volume up, shouting as a form of singing, lots of body
movement, a grounding in the rough edges and near-hysteria of a lot of the
emotional highs gospel often reaches for, etc. I'm sure Ike telling Tina to
imitate Little Richard (plus the live gospel she would have heard in church)
had a lot to do with Tina's singular "frenetic" early style. As a CCR fan, I
think her verson of "Rollin' On The River" is a very distant second to the
original. And I also think "Mountain High, River Low" is a work of
genius--Spector's not Tina's. There, I've paid my respects.

--md

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[Bruce]

On Thursday, May 25, 2023 at 2:48:19 PM UTC-4, Mark D. wrote:
> On May 25, 2023 at 12:50:10 PM CDT, "DianeE" <Dia...@NoSpam.net> wrote:
>
> > Someone on the news was telling a story about an interview Ike gave
> > later in his life. Ike said that in the 1950s he was writing songs he
> > needed someone like Little Richard to sing. When he met Tina, he said,
> > "Tina was my Little Richard."
> >
> > This struck me as an extremely odd thing to say, but I guess it makes
> > sense from a business point of view. Maybe. I don't know.
> I can see a comparison between Tina and Little Richard as performers. Rough
> voices, turning the volume up, shouting as a form of singing, lots of body
> movement, a grounding in the rough edges and near-hysteria of a lot of the
> emotional highs gospel often reaches for, etc. I'm sure Ike telling Tina to
> imitate Little Richard (plus the live gospel she would have heard in church)
> had a lot to do with Tina's singular "frenetic" early style. As a CCR fan, I
> think her verson of "Rollin' On The River"

I assume you know that "Rollin On The River" is not the actual title, but just part of the chorus?

[Roger Ford]

On Thu, 25 May 2023 08:19:31 -0700 (PDT), Bruce <Sav...@aol.com>
wrote:

>On Thursday, May 25, 2023 at 2:53:38=E2=80=AFAM UTC-4, Roger Ford wrote:
>> On Wed, 24 May 2023 14:00:04 -0700 (PDT), Bruce <Sav...@aol.com>=20
>> wrote:=20
>>=20
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>te:=20
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>ote:=3D20=20
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>> >> Never one of my favorites. Too frenetic
>> >

>> >I only liked the real frenetic records, did not like the later pop stuff

> after she left Ike.=20

>
>> I guess my feelings about Tina on record are pretty similar
>
>> But what's your take on "River Deep Mountain High" which is the one
>> that usually causes the most arguments amongst fans
>
>It's nothing special.

My all time favorite Ike & Tina is the scorching "A Fool In Love" but
"River Deep...." is well up there in my bunch of I & T ffaves
following that one and is also one of Spector's best productions

I can understand him being miffed when the record didn't do that well
on the US charts failing to reach anywhere near the chart heights it
achieved here in UK

> even like the Supremes/Tops hit version a little better.

Pale shadow of the classic original

[Roger Ford]

On Thu, 25 May 2023 18:46:17 +0000, Mark D. <mdint...@xxnew.rr.com>
wrote:

"Mountain HIgh, River Low".........LOL

[Bruce]

Not according to American record buyers.

Here's my Ike & Tina list:

IKE & TINA TURNER
1. Rocket 88 (Jackie Brenston)
2. Poor Fool
3. Chicken Shack
4. I'm Gonna Do All I Can (To Do Right By My Man)
5. A Fool In Love
6. I'm Tore Up (Billy Gayles)
7. The Hunter
8. My Real Gone Rocket (Jackie Brenston)
9. Do Right Baby (Billy Gayles)
10. I'm Blue (The Gong-Gong Song) (Ikettes)
11. Night Howler (Billy Gayles)
12. Fat Meat Is Greasy (Jackie Brenston)
13. Proud Mary
14. I'm Jealous
15. I Idolize You
16. It's Gonna Work Out Fine
17. Juiced (Jackie Brenston)
18. Please Don't Hurt Me
19. Peaches And Cream (Ikettes)
20. Tina's Dilemma
21. I Want To Take You Higher
22. Come Together
23. I'm So Thankful (Ikettes)
24. You Shoulda Treated Me Right
25. Tell Her I'm Not Home

[Roger Ford]

I encountered Ike Turner in person once here in London and
straightaway mentally awarded him the title of the most menacing
person I've ever met in my life which still stands

Incidentally he took the title from Larry Williams

[Roger Ford]

On Thu, 25 May 2023 13:28:44 -0700 (PDT), Bruce <Sav...@aol.com>
wrote:

>On Thursday, May 25, 2023 at 4:25:08=E2=80=AFPM UTC-4, Roger Ford wrote:
>> On Thu, 25 May 2023 08:19:31 -0700 (PDT), Bruce <Sav...@aol.com>=20
>> wrote:=20
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>> following that one and is also one of Spector's best productions=20
>>=20
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>> achieved here in UK
>> > even like the Supremes/Tops hit version a little better.
>> Pale shadow of the classic original
>
>Not according to American record buyers

Why should the actions of American record buyers have any bearing on
my opinion?

[Bruce]

Did somebody say it should?

[Mark D.]

Yes.

[Roger Ford]

On Thu, 25 May 2023 13:52:47 -0700 (PDT), Bruce <Sav...@aol.com>
wrote:

>On Thursday, May 25, 2023 at 4:42:25=E2=80=AFPM UTC-4, Roger Ford wrote:
>> On Thu, 25 May 2023 13:28:44 -0700 (PDT), Bruce <Sav...@aol.com>=20
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>
>Did somebody say it should?

Nope

Which makes your original statement doubly irrelevant to the
discussion

[Bruce]

Why would your opinion, as one person, be relevant, but the opinion of the entire American public not be relevant?

[Bruce]

My original statement was (answering Bill)

[Roger Ford]

On Thu, 25 May 2023 23:23:35 -0700 (PDT), Bruce <Sav...@aol.com>
wrote:

>On Friday, May 26, 2023 at 1:41:25=E2=80=AFAM UTC-4, Roger Ford wrote:
>> On Thu, 25 May 2023 13:52:47 -0700 (PDT), Bruce <Sav...@aol.com>=20
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In that case that argument must presumably apply equally to you when
you say Ike & Tina's "River Deep Mountain High" is "nothing special"
when a large section of the UK record buyers would disagree

[Roger Ford]

On Thu, 25 May 2023 23:25:10 -0700 (PDT), Bruce <Sav...@aol.com>
wrote:

>On Friday, May 26, 2023 at 1:41:25=E2=80=AFAM UTC-4, Roger Ford wrote:
>> On Thu, 25 May 2023 13:52:47 -0700 (PDT), Bruce <Sav...@aol.com>=20
>> wrote:=20
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>> discussion
>
>My original statement was (answering Bill)
>

I was referring to your original statement to me

[Bruce]

On Friday, May 26, 2023 at 2:44:13 AM UTC-4, Roger Ford wrote:
> >
> I was referring to your original statement to me

"Not according to American record buyers."

So again, why are our individual feelings about the record relevant but not followups about the record's popularity in various countries?

To me the Spector version is totally overdone and over the top, trying too hard to make something new and different and dazzling. Some people feel the same way about "Good Vibrations." Given your major preference for the older sound, I would think you might be among those who frowned on attempts to make real progressive music and get away from that older sound. Frankie C is like that, not a big fan of either record, and he was very against the late 60s and early 70s Motown sound when they went progressive and socially conscious with things like "War" and "Cloud Nine" and the "What's Going On" album.

I'm a big fan of the down and dirty Tina records, and when they attempt to suck the grittiness out of her sound I don't like it. You saw my list of favorites, there's no pop sounding stuff there.

[Roger Ford]

On Fri, 26 May 2023 08:50:21 -0700 (PDT), Bruce <Sav...@aol.com>
wrote:

>On Friday, May 26, 2023 at 2:44:13=E2=80=AFAM UTC-4, Roger Ford wrote:
>> >
>> I was referring to your original statement to me
>
>"Not according to American record buyers."
>

>So again, why are our individual feelings about the record relevant but not=

> followups about the record's popularity in various countries?
>

Because in the case of the Ike & Tina record I am voicing my (long
held) opinion that the Supremes/Temps version is a plale shadow
compared to the original which IMO is an excellent record

That the American record buyers much preferred the Motown version is a
a matter of historical record and is of course correct----but it is
irrelevant in the fact that it has ABSOLUTELY NO BEARING on my opinion
which remains as already stated.

>To me the Spector version is totally overdone and over the top, trying too =

>hard to make something new and different and dazzling.

We disagree totally on this record which I list among their best and
certainly one of the greatest of the Spector recording experiments

>Some people feel the ame way about "Good Vibrations." Given your major preference
>for the oldr sound, I would think you might be among those who frowned on attempts to
>make real progressive music and get away from that older sound. Frankie C i=
>s like that, not a big fan of either record, and he was very against the la=
>te 60s and early 70s Motown sound when they went progressive and socially c=
>onscious with things like "War" and "Cloud Nine" and the "What's Going On" =
>album.
>
I never cared for "War" very much (I like several of Starr's other
records) but I liked "Good Vibrations" and "Cloud Nine" very much and
"What's Going On" is my #1 favorite record of 1971

[Bruce]

On Friday, May 26, 2023 at 3:35:41 PM UTC-4, Roger Ford wrote:
> On Fri, 26 May 2023 08:50:21 -0700 (PDT), Bruce <Sav...@aol.com>
> wrote:
> >On Friday, May 26, 2023 at 2:44:13=E2=80=AFAM UTC-4, Roger Ford wrote:
> >> >
> >> I was referring to your original statement to me
> >
> >"Not according to American record buyers."
> >
> >So again, why are our individual feelings about the record relevant but not=
> > followups about the record's popularity in various countries?
> >
> Because in the case of the Ike & Tina record I am voicing my (long

> held) opinion that the Supremes/Temps version is a pale shadow

> compared to the original which IMO is an excellent record

So once you voice your opinion nobody else as permitted to mention any other facts or opinions about the record?

[Bob Roman]

On Friday, May 26, 2023 at 2:23:36 AM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:

> Why would your opinion, as one person, be relevant, but the opinion of the entire American public not be relevant?

Probably for the same reason why you put a personal 1-10 rating next to the songs you hear instead of simply checking how they charted.

--
BR

[Bob Roman]

TIL, Tina Turner hated Aretha Franklin

https://www.towleroad.com/2023/05/tina-turner-planned-her-funeral-years-back-aimed-to-outdo-aretha-franklins-service-sources/

--
BR

[Bruce]

I do both. But most of them did not chart.

[Roger Ford]

On Fri, 26 May 2023 13:04:13 -0700 (PDT), Bruce <Sav...@aol.com>
wrote:

>On Friday, May 26, 2023 at 3:35:41=E2=80=AFPM UTC-4, Roger Ford wrote:
>> On Fri, 26 May 2023 08:50:21 -0700 (PDT), Bruce <Sav...@aol.com>=20
>> wrote:
>> >On Friday, May 26, 2023 at 2:44:13=3DE2=3D80=3DAFAM UTC-4, Roger Ford wr=
>ote:=20
>> >> >=20
>> >> I was referring to your original statement to me=20
>> >=20
>> >"Not according to American record buyers."=20
>> >
>> >So again, why are our individual feelings about the record relevant but =
>not=3D
>> > followups about the record's popularity in various countries?=20
>> >
>> Because in the case of the Ike & Tina record I am voicing my (long=20
>> held) opinion that the Supremes/Temps version is a pale shadow=20
>> compared to the original which IMO is an excellent record=20
>
>So once you voice your opinion nobody else as permitted to mention any othe=

>r facts or opinions about the record?

As Monty Python's Army officer would say "Stop the sketch! This is
getting rsilly"

[Bruce]

Early picture:

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