OT - Ice Ice Baby - Vanilla Ice
Mr. M
liked. I know there was a lot of disdain for this song, but there
have ben far worse. Would he be ccnsidered the Pat Boone of rap?
Mr. M
Dean F.
> I've always liked this song - I think it's the first rap song I ever
> liked. I know there was a lot of disdain for this song, but there
> have ben far worse.
Like what?
> Would he be ccnsidered the Pat Boone of rap?
In a way; but Pat Boone wasn't a one-hit wonder.
50s
DCar...@aol.com
Because he deftly compared his subject matter to Pat Boone, Mr.
Joseph McCarthey Grossberg!!!!!
Dennis C from Tennessee
Mr. M
<soule...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Oct 31, 6:28 pm, Mr. M <m...@n.com> wrote:
>
>> I've always liked this song - I think it's the first rap song I ever
>> liked. I know there was a lot of disdain for this song, but there
>> have ben far worse.
>
>Like what?
>
I don't totally know. It's probably just about every rap song after
the early 90s. As the songs got more vulgar, they seemed to become
more popular and the rap artists sold more records. That doesn't say
much for the listeners. That's why a lot of people have turned to
toward Broadway shows and stuff. Some of it's kitchy but at least
it's not trash. And it's not a black thing, it's a music thing.
Almost everybody likes soul and r&b- most rap is not soul or r&b, it's
garbage. I could download every popular rap song from the last 4 or 5
years for free, but it's not worth the disk space.
John Wade
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The main reason for the disdain is that
the songs riff is a complete ripoff of the
Queen/David Bowie "Under Pressure"
number.
Hum the bassline to both and you'll see
what I mean.
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John Wade
ov...@triad.rr.com
~
50s
> Mr. M wrote:
> >I've always liked this song - I think it's the first rap song I ever
> >liked. I know there was a lot of disdain for this song, but there
> >have ben far worse. Would he be ccnsidered the Pat Boone of rap?
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------
> The main reason for the disdain is that
> the songs riff is a complete ripoff of the
> Queen/David Bowie "Under Pressure"
> number.
That's not the reason. Lots of big rap records are complete ripoffs of
some earlier record that was sampled.
Here's what the problem was....
"Ice's mic technique is actually stronger and more nimble than MC
Hammer's, and he really tries earnestly to show off the skills he does
have. Unfortunately, even if he can keep a mid-tempo pace, his flow is
rhythmically stiff, and his voice has an odd timbre; plus, he never
seems sure of the proper accent to adopt. He's able to overcome those
flaws somewhat in isolated moments, but they become all too apparent
over the course of an entire album."[17]
Van Winkle's second major release was the live album Extremely Live,
released in March 1991. It peaked at #30 on the Billboard 200.[30]
Reviews of the album were negative, with Entertainment Weekly reviewer
David Browne calling it "one of the most ridiculous albums ever
released", comparing it to The Best of Marcel Marceau, an album which
consisted of two sides of silence opened by brief applause.
During this period, Van Winkle received criticism from other hip hop
musicians. In 1991, 3rd Bass released a single called "Pop Goes the
Weasel", comparing Van Winkle unfavorably to Elvis Presley. The song's
music video featured Henry Rollins as Van Winkle, who is depicted as
being assaulted by 3rd Bass.[40] Del tha Funkee Homosapien referred to
Van Winkle as mocking hip hop in the lyrics of "Pissin' on Your
Steps", which appeared on his 1991 debut album I Wish My Brother
George Was Here.[41]
DCar...@aol.com
Bruce.please include footnotes and bibliography you samplin'
sumbitch you!
Dennis C from Tennessee
Evil Rev Returns
One of the managers thought that he was a hotshot DJ (in reality he
was just a drunk butt-head). During a break, he put the record on the
system. As I'd never heard this "tune" before (I avoided rap like the
plague that I believe that it is), the 1st words out of my mouth were
"what the f@#k is this crap (please substitute rhe word that i
actually used) ??
Hotshot DJ took offense to this & refused to hire my band again. The
only solace that I received was that 6 months later this bar was out
of business.
ER
ICE ICE, USA
Music Listener
> The main reason for the disdain is that
> the songs riff is a complete ripoff of the
> Queen/David Bowie "Under Pressure"
> number.
nah, sampling is just the issue which grouchy rap-haters like to unduly
fixate on. vanilla ice had a ridiculous haircut and clothes, danced
terribly and seemed totally full of himself despite his utterly
lightweight songs. and of course he was a white guy trying to rap. he
had a big target painted on his back.
calling the song a "ripoff" implies that the debt to "Under Pressure"
was hidden rather than openly pushed as a selling point. not the case.
actually, borrowing from that song was about the only thing which
Vanilla Ice did right.