Hall Of Fame Stats
Sav...@aol.com
records in our hall of fame, and about some artists not being
represented with a song that is inducted, I thought I'd do a little
accounting work on the breakdowns.
So far there have been 118 songs inducted into the "Great Singles" wing
of the HOF.
BY GENRE:
Rock & Roll - 45
Doo-Wop - 30
R & B - 22
Rockabilly - 8
Country - 7
Blues - 3
Pop - 3
Naturally some records can fall into two or more genres, so I went with
what I felt was the most appropriate genre for each song. Many of the
doo-wops could also be called R & B, for instance, and many of the R &
B could also be rock and roll, and vice versa. Some vocal group records
were not counted as doo-wops, but as R & B (Sixty Minute Man & others)
or rock & roll (Yakety Yak & others).
It seems like we should be more concerned with the lack of pop or blues
singles that have been recognized than we should be with the vocal
groups or doo-wops.
MAKEUP OF ACT
Single Artists or rock groups - 67
Vocal Groups - 39
Duets - 2
I only counted groups where the group is named on the record and the
frontman is in the group, so even with that conservative system there
are now 39 songs inducted by vocal groups (33%), which is more than
representative, although this year's inductees (11 of 16) helped bring
that percentage up.
RACE
Black - 82
White - 35
Mexican - 1
Nothing much to say here.
BY YEAR (of release)
1950 - 3
1951 - 3
1952 - 2
1953 - 6
1954 - 15
1955 - 14
1956 - 26
1957 - 25
1958 - 17
1959 - 7
As usual, the early years and the last year are underepresented,
although in this case 1959 is clearly a much weaker year than the 5
years prior to that. Only 8 singles from the first three years of the
decade seems a little light though, although a few early things (How
High The Moon, Glory Of Love) came close this year. One glaring
omission from those earlier years is "One Mint Julep" by the Clovers,
which was not even a nominee this past year. For all the talk about R &
B around here, we seem to still be much more centered on the rock and
roll of the mid-50s. There's also as many rockabilly songs (8) inducted
as the total of songs from '50 to '52, and that's with Jerry Lee Lewis
and Gene Vincent NOT being considered as rockabilly (or Johnny Cash, of
course).
Below are those who have been inducted as artists, but who do not have
a single inducted yet:
Ruth Brown
Five Royales
Wynonie Harris
Ricky Nelson
LaVern Baker
Five Keys
Jimmy Reed
Jack Scott
Frank Sinatra
The Clovers, who have been in since the second year, finally had their
first induction of a single this year, with one of their more pop
records, "Devil Or Angel."
I expect Sinatra to have a song inducted when Bob runs a "Greatest
Album Tracks" vote soon. I don't really see a great candidate for an
induction by Jimmy Reed, Wynonie Harris or Ricky Nelson, who all had
records in other decades.
Some artists are like the Eddie Murrays of 50s music. No real great
seasons, but numerous very good seasons. hall of famers as artists for
sure, but no blockbuster indicvidual songs, or maybe just one or two,
in the case of some other artists.
Dean F.
<Sav...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> Since Bill was worried about there not being enough vocal groups
> records in our hall of fame, and about some artists not being
> represented with a song that is inducted, I thought I'd do a little
> accounting work on the breakdowns.
Well thanks, Bruce!
Sav...@aol.com
You're welcome, pal.
Sav...@aol.com
Sav...@aol.com wrote:
> BY YEAR (of release)
> 1952 - 2
> 1953 - 6
Sorry, this is wrong. It should be:
1952 - 3
1953 - 5
So there's three singles in each of the first three years of the
decade, and only 5 from 1953.
Money Honey - Drifters featuring Clyde McPhatter
Your Cheating Heart - Hank Williams
Gee - Crows
Honey Hush - Joe Turner
Sunday Kind Of Love - Harptones
Glaring omissions from 1953 include "Crying In The Chapel" by the
Orioles and "Shake A Hand" by Faye Adams.
Sharx35
> records in our hall of fame, and about some artists not being
> represented with a song that is inducted, I thought I'd do a little
> accounting work on the breakdowns.
>
> So far there have been 118 songs inducted into the "Great Singles" wing
> of the HOF.
>
> BY GENRE:
> Rock & Roll - 45
> Doo-Wop - 30
> R & B - 22
> Rockabilly - 8
> Country - 7
> Blues - 3
> Pop - 3
The presence of ONLY 3 pop entries in a 50's list shows exactly what a load
of fucking bullshit the HOF is.
Sharx35
Bullshit. The black and white figures should be reversed in a HOF list for
the 50's that REALLY represents REALITY.
xpen...@earthlink.net
<snip>
>
>RACE
>Black - 82
>White - 35
>Mexican - 1
>
Who is the Mexican? BTW Mexican isn't a race, Cleo.
Shoo-Bop-Shoo-Bop
I would imagine it's Ritchie Valens, though it's too much work wading
throught the various years on Cappy's site to confirm it.
--
Bill Bugge
"Are the stars out tonight?
I don't know if it's cloudy or bright."
xpen...@earthlink.net
<wlas...@optonline.net.invalid> wrote:
>xpen...@earthlink.net wrote:
>> On 25 Jan 2006 16:15:57 -0800, Sav...@aol.com wrote:
>>
>> <snip>
>>>
>>> RACE
>>> Black - 82
>>> White - 35
>>> Mexican - 1
>>>
>>
>> Who is the Mexican? BTW Mexican isn't a race, Cleo.
>
>I would imagine it's Ritchie Valens, though it's too much work wading
>throught the various years on Cappy's site to confirm it.
Valens was born in California so it couldn't be him. So Mr. Historian
who is the Mexican?
Intheway
Shoo-Bop-Shoo-Bop wrote:
> >>
> >> RACE
> >> Black - 82
> >> White - 35
> >> Mexican - 1
> >>
> >
> > Who is the Mexican? BTW Mexican isn't a race, Cleo.
>
> I would imagine it's Ritchie Valens, though it's too much work wading
> throught the various years on Cappy's site to confirm it.
I'm more surprised Cappy didn't use "Come Go With Me" as an opportunity
to use decimal points.
Shoo-Bop-Shoo-Bop-Do-Wah
news:SS3Cf.699$WT6...@fe12.lga:
> xpen...@earthlink.net wrote:
>> On 25 Jan 2006 16:15:57 -0800, Sav...@aol.com wrote:
>>
>> <snip>
>>>
>>> RACE
>>> Black - 82
>>> White - 35
>>> Mexican - 1
>>>
>>
>> Who is the Mexican? BTW Mexican isn't a race, Cleo.
>
> I would imagine it's Ritchie Valens, though it's too much work wading
> throught the various years on Cappy's site to confirm it.
>
>
Hey Coward
You asked me for a response.
I gave you one.
You Plonked.
So far, no harm no foul.
Then, after plonking, you
DERIDE ME REGARDING MY DAUGHTERS DEATH
all the while thinking you are hiding behind the plonk.
Come out of your sewer and face me like a man
You are a sniveling coward, a low life, hiding behind a plonk to make
insulting comments regarding the death of a child.
What a man. Cowardly man.
I can change my id faster than you can plonk
Im not going away.
Face me you weasel.
I really find it interesting that you decide Im a lunatic (which is your
right), then you troll me, then plonk, then continue to deride.
If I am a lunatic, I am one that knows who you are.
You must be nuts.
Sav...@aol.com
Rocky, don't let these trolls bother you. Bugge gets all bent out of
shape when somebody posts a curse word, but has no problem accusing you
of lying about your daughter's death, all because he doesn't like your
political beliefs. He fits right in with all of the weird right wing
fanatics in this country.
Intheway
Shoo-Bop-Shoo-Bop-Do-Wah wrote:
>
> I can change my id faster than you can plonk
Which is the signature move of the troll around here, as is the
adaptation of someone else's screen name. You're starting to fit right
in. We have several people who are very proud of being trolls. One
more won't change things much, even though it isn't going to be an
improvement.
And as for your incredible reaction to Bill's original post, can you
direct me to the Usenet rule that says the absolute truth is required
in every post?
You claim there has been tragedy in your life. As the father of two
daughters I can only begin to comprehend what I would do to me if one
of them were to die. However, you will have to admit that you are not
the first person to tell a tale of hardships on the Internet, and you
wouldn't be the first to lie about it. The death of a child is as sure
fire a way as there is to garner immediate sympathy, but, to be honest,
we have no way to know if it is true or not.
Frankly, the speed with which you found it appropriate to bring your
daughter's death into the conversation, and doing so in an attempt to
validate what you had already posted, is enough to make me skeptical.
Speaking as a father, referring to the death of your daughter to
justify a Usenet post cheapens the impact of her death to a truly
insensible level. That's just my opinion, but it certainly raises
doubts in my mind about your credibility. Acting like a troll with
multiple screen names, and threatening to add more names just to
harrass one person, doesn't improve my estimation.
Cappy may choose to believe you outright. That's his prerogative.
He's got a history of making up all sorts of things himself, so maybe
he thinks that believing you will encourage you to believe things he
says without questioning them. His motive really doesn't matter,
because it only applies to him. (He may also be playing you for a sap.
He's proud of his lack of compassion. His display of concern for you
is not really his style.)
You appear to have a substantial amount of knowledge about music, and,
Mariah Carey aside, you seem have something to contribute here.
However, right now, the signal to noise ratio in your posts is pretty
damned low.
And just so you know, in the event you feel you have to react to me in
the same way, I don't killfile anyone, so you don't need to invent a
new screen name to harrass me because I choose to reserve judgment on
what you say about your personal life.
RocketMan
> shape when somebody posts a curse word, but has no problem accusing you
> of lying about your daughter's death, all because he doesn't like your
> political beliefs. He fits right in with all of the weird right wing
> fanatics in this country.
As you know, I can get down and dirty with the best of them, and let it all
roll off.
Talk of my daughter is different. You realized that certain things were off
limits, and transcend the everyday argument, disagreement, flame war, and
other inane things that takes place on usenet.
I agree with you that my political post is the one that set him off. There
were myriad opportunities prior to that that he ignored.
His pointing out that he was uneasy with me is a prejudice. Hes not used to
conversing with us project folks. He's is afraid of my roots and the
culture I came from, and thats the prejudice that scares him.
It probably confuses the shit out of him that we have fairly similar
musical tastes. How can he possibly have similar musical tastes as a
lowlife like me?
No wonder he's in hiding. He doesnt like himself.
Intheway
RocketMan wrote:
> Talk of my daughter is different. You realized that certain things were off
> limits, and transcend the everyday argument, disagreement, flame war, and
> other inane things that takes place on usenet.
>
If it was truly off-limits, you wouldn't have brought the subject up
just to justify a post.
>
> His pointing out that he was uneasy with me is a prejudice. Hes not used to
> conversing with us project folks. He's is afraid of my roots and the
> culture I came from, and thats the prejudice that scares him.
>
Is this the same guy who told us his life history because he said
someone made some inaccurate presumptions about his life?
Pot. Kettle.
> It probably confuses the shit out of him that we have fairly similar
> musical tastes. How can he possibly have similar musical tastes as a
> lowlife like me?
>
You and Cappy are going to get along famously. He reads minds, too.
RocketMan
news:1138296737.1...@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
>
> Shoo-Bop-Shoo-Bop-Do-Wah wrote:
>
>>
>> I can change my id faster than you can plonk
>
> Which is the signature move of the troll around here, as is the
> adaptation of someone else's screen name. You're starting to fit
right
> in.
Except for this instance, I only post under RocketMan. Do I sound like
Im holding back, or trying to maintain whatever rep RocketMan has by
changing IDs? Please. Ill tell you anything under my RocketMan id.
Im not trolling, nor am I changing IDs in an attempt to hide.
EVERYONE knew it was RocketMan by the content of the post.
Your comparing with ID changing trolls is incorrect.
The only reason I posted under the new id, is to bypass the plonk and
bring the weasel out of hiding.
We have several people who are very proud of being trolls. One
> more won't change things much, even though it isn't going to be an
> improvement.
>
> And as for your incredible reaction to Bill's original post, can you
> direct me to the Usenet rule that says the absolute truth is required
> in every post?
>
> You claim there has been tragedy in your life. As the father of two
> daughters I can only begin to comprehend what I would do to me if one
> of them were to die.
You have no friggin idea. If you did, you wouldnt have posted this.
However, you will have to admit that you are not
> the first person to tell a tale of hardships on the Internet, and you
> wouldn't be the first to lie about it.
So, any claim of a childs death needs to be supported with, what, an
obit? Funeral pictures? Newspaper photos of the wreck?
And once proven, then what? Does that then make comments like his off
limits?
Look. I dont care if you or anyone takes me on regarding music,
politics, history, any subject at all. Im game, and nothings personal.
This one, however, digs to the heart, the memory I have of my daughter,
and is very personal for me. I cant even put it into words. Im reading
what i just wrote and it doesnt convey the pain, nor does it portray my
disdain.
You totally miss the point. He trolled, then hid, then made comments
which to me are beyond the pale. This is the only way I can call him out
to face me like a man.
The death of a child is as sure
> fire a way as there is to garner immediate sympathy, but, to be
honest,> we have no way to know if it is true or not.
Fuck sympathy. I dont need your sympathy.
And, I WILL NOT let anyone who in any way brings up my daughter in a
negative or insulting light slide by. You talk above about your two
daughters, stating that I can only begin to comprehend
However, your post certainly tells me you dont have the first clue of
what its like, otherwise you would say nothing.
>
> Frankly, the speed with which you found it appropriate to bring your
> daughter's death into the conversation, and doing so in an attempt to
> validate what you had already posted, is enough to make me skeptical.
He asked me why I was so nasty. Its my lifes experiences that makes me
who I am. I talked about Vietnam, growing up in the inner city, and my
daughter, the three most significant happenings in my life. My
implication was that perhaps thats why Im sometimes nasty.
There was no bringing up her death in an attempt to validate whatI had
already said, as you have posted.
SHOW ME WHAT YOU ARE REFERRING TO HERE, because it simply never
happened.
> Speaking as a father, referring to the death of your daughter to
> justify a Usenet post
Explain what you mean here. I wasnt justifying any post. I was answering
his question to me.
cheapens the impact of her death to a truly
> insensible level. That's just my opinion, but it certainly raises
> doubts in my mind about your credibility.
Believe what you like. I dont really care anymore.
Acting like a troll with
> multiple screen names, and threatening to add more names just to
> harrass one person, doesn't improve my estimation.
What would you do? Assume for a moment that your daughter died.
Never mind. You just couldnt possibly know.
> Cappy may choose to believe you outright. That's his prerogative.
Cappy knows what lines not to cross.
> He's got a history of making up all sorts of things himself, so maybe
> he thinks that believing you will encourage you to believe things he
> says without questioning them. His motive really doesn't matter,
> because it only applies to him. (He may also be playing you for a
sap.
> He's proud of his lack of compassion.
I think you confuse some other character trait he may have with
compassion. IMO, hes the only one here capable of compassion.
His display of concern for you
> is not really his style.)
>
> You appear to have a substantial amount of knowledge about music, and,
> Mariah Carey aside, you seem have something to contribute here.
> However, right now, the signal to noise ratio in your posts is pretty
> damned low.
> And just so you know, in the event you feel you have to react to me in
> the same way, I don't killfile anyone, so you don't need to invent a
> new screen name to harrass me
Have I harrassed you? Why would I want to? Just keep off the topic of my
daughter, and Im fine.
because I choose to reserve judgment on
> what you say about your personal life.
Then dont ask the question that he did.
RocketMan
> If it was truly off-limits, you wouldn't have brought the subject up
> just to justify a post.
You are now becoming tedious. You already made your opinion on the
subject know.
However, you are again in error. What post do you claim I was trying to
justify. It didnt happen that way, but dont let the facts stand in the
way of a good insult.
> Is this the same guy who told us his life history because he said
> someone made some inaccurate presumptions about his life?
I have no idea what you are trying to say here.
I answered the question he asked. what inaccurate presumptions are you
talking about. give a post number.
> Pot. Kettle.
Ivory tower, condescending, misrepresenting, rewriter of history
>> It probably confuses the shit out of him that we have fairly similar
>> musical tastes. How can he possibly have similar musical tastes as a
>> lowlife like me?
>>
>
> You and Cappy are going to get along famously. He reads minds, too.
It didnt take you very long to jump to the defense of a friend, did it?
Thanks for showing me your true colors.
Sharx35
<Sav...@aol.com> wrote in message
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You faggot loving lefties have nothing to crow about.
>
Sharx35
"Intheway" <fred.w...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> RocketMan wrote:
>
>> Talk of my daughter is different. You realized that certain things were
>> off
>> limits, and transcend the everyday argument, disagreement, flame war, and
>> other inane things that takes place on usenet.
>>
>
> If it was truly off-limits, you wouldn't have brought the subject up
> just to justify a post.
Excellent point.
Intheway
RocketMan wrote:
> > If it was truly off-limits, you wouldn't have brought the subject up
> > just to justify a post.
>
> You are now becoming tedious.
The truth is often tedious.
Talking about you is very tedious, too. Yet here we are, discussing
you again.
How clever of you.
You already made your opinion on the
> subject know.
But you keep bringing it back up yourself. Give me something new to
work with, Rocky. You're going over plowed ground here.
>
> However, you are again in error. What post do you claim I was trying to
> justify. It didnt happen that way, but dont let the facts stand in the
> way of a good insult.
>
This one, (edited)
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From: RocketMan <Rocket...@hotmail.com> - Find messages by this author
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 20:44:28 GMT
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When I think about
the death of my 15 year old daughter, I get mad.
This is usenet, not sunday school. You're in the gutter,
looking down at me. I may be looking up at you, but we're both still in
the gutter, like it or not.
---end of post---
That's a pathetic tribute to your daughter. If it's true. Using her
death to justify a shitty attitude on Usenet. That's despicable.
And don't let the archives stand in the way of some phony outrage, OK?
>
> > Is this the same guy who told us his life history because he said
> > someone made some inaccurate presumptions about his life?
>
> I have no idea what you are trying to say here.
Your ignorance is bliss.
Here's that post (edited) to refresh your memory. This was in response
to some conclusions drawn about your life (by your new buddy Cappy, no
less).
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Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 20:13:34 GMT
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This is a perfect example of you talking authoritatively about things
you know absolutely nothing about. Thanks for proving my point, with
all
your normal schmuckitude. You are indeed the epitome of schmuckology,
one to be studied for decades.
----end of post---
LMAO
Well, it looks now as if there will be several texts in that syllabus.
You know, you could have saved yourself the embarrassment of me having
to quote you by admitting you said this stuff yourself without me
having to repost it. But that might have required an admission that
your Usenet self-image was less than perfect. If this is really all
you have to go on to feel good about yourself, forget I brought up your
own words to correct you. You really don't need my permission, either.
You've shown yourself capable of forgetting what you said without me
playing a part in it.
>
> I answered the question he asked. what inaccurate presumptions are you
> talking about. give a post number.
>
> > Pot. Kettle.
>
> Ivory tower
Ouch.
>, condescending,
I admit it, I can be condescending to those who are patently
disingenuous and then lie about it when challenged.
> misrepresenting,
Those were your words in those posts, not mine.
You'll have to tell me what I misrepresented.
rewriter of history
>
Prove it, Rocky.
>
> It didnt take you very long to jump to the defense of a friend, did it?
No, it didn't. It never does. Especially when a friend been jumped by
a troll. Every once in a while, I like shooting fish in a barrel.
You've turned yourself into a pretty big barrel.
>
> Thanks for showing me your true colors.
Well, there ought to be some truth in every thread, and you haven't
been contributing. Let me know when you feel like reciprocating.
Does this mean you aren't my friend anymore? Just because you've
turned into another self-important boor who can't remember what he
says about himself from one post to the next? Who thinks that
aggressive language in a newsgroup impresses anybody? Who thinks his
daughter's death is just grist for the Usenet mill?
How sad.
RocketMan
news:1138302235.8...@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
> When I think about
> the death of my 15 year old daughter, I get mad.
>
Convenient of you. The clip job is out of context.
you fail to show the post that requested the response
you also fail to present the WHOLE response, for true context.
you further miss the thrust of the post, ie, anti war, anti bush.
Putting it in context, here it is once again (you forced this with your
cut and paste)
> Take your political garbage and shove it up your (or Dean's) ass.
And you call me the one thats nasty? I havent said anything this nasty,
to anyone here, and Im not claiming to be a saint, as you are. Go to the
mirror, boy.
Grow some balls and admit that the only reason you are responding this
way at all is because you disagree with my politics. Do you like Ann
Coulter? You're getting to be about as nasty as she.
> I'll wait a short time to read your expectedly vulgar response and
> then it's the killfile for you.
Typical republican coward. When confronted with things that make you
uncomfortable, run away. Ignore whats happening in the world around you,
hoping they arent real, at your peril. Maybe you would learn something
from the people you choose to killfile. Ill continue to read your posts
because I actually find myself agreeing with most of what you have to
say about music.
Now, you think Im nasty?
I was drafted into the other obscene war of my generation, Vietnam.
While there, I killed others, had friends killed, had friends maimed,
and was disabled myself. I vowed then to become an active member of
government and try to make sure nothing like vietnam ever happens again.
Yeah, I guess Im nasty. When I see what the current administration has
done and continues to do, I get mad. When my legs ache in the middle of
the night from my wounds, I get mad. When I attend funerals of by fellow
military brethren, I get mad. When i listen to the returning soldiers
and sailors at the American Legion Post, and the Disabled American
Veterans talk about the lack of armor while showing their stump of a
leg, I get really mad, because I worked for the DOD for 37 years, and I
know what its like going to war, unlike our current administration. They
cut the budget for armor, then plead ignorant when this war has 10 times
as many amputations per fighting man than Vietnam. When I think about
the death of my 15 year old daughter, I get mad. When I think about
growing up in the projects among the rats, gangs, dope, perverts, and
other lowlifes, I get mad, especially when the resident idiot jumps on
my every post and declares that i dont know anything about blacks, inner
city, poverty, racism, or I dont know what soul is. I dont look for
handouts from anybody, and I dont run away from confrontation. If I did,
I would have been killed long ago. You learn to take care of yourself
when you come from where I did. So, if I say something that offends your
sensibilities when defending myself or my position from attack, welcome
to the hood. This is usenet, not sunday school. You're in the gutter,
looking down at me. I may be looking up at you, but we're both still in
the gutter, like it or not.
I suspect you have never been in combat, and perhaps you have never
served in the military. Thats my educated guess. If discussions about
the obscene administration that runs this country hurt your
sensibilities, tough. If something I said is negative regarding this
administration and hurts your sensibilities, tough.
Im looking forward to your killfile. Im sure Ill run into some heroic
americans there.
Mark Dintenfass
Intheway <fred.w...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Acting like a troll with
> multiple screen names, and threatening to add more names just to
> harrass one person, doesn't improve my estimation.
Since I hurried to welcome Rocketman to the group, I'm now going to say
that I'm appalled by his using screen names as a means of attack. It's
about the lowest thing you can do on the Usenet.
--
--md
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RocketMan
> that I'm appalled by his using screen names as a means of attack. It's
> about the lowest thing you can do on the Usenet.
I did not use an alternate screen name as a means of attack.
He had killfiled me, then continued to insult me.
I changed the ID for that one post only, to bypass his killfilter.
In that post, I spoke as Rocketman. That is obvious due to the content.
There was nothing else sinister to read into it.
Thats it. Read no more into it.
Its he who is acting low, claiming plonk then continuing to flame.
Intheway
RocketMan wrote:
>
> Convenient of you. The clip job is out of context.
>
Of course. You never, ever mentioned your daughter in the middle of
that rant. I made her up out of context.
One question, Rocky:
Did you or did you not use the alleged death of your daughter as part
of your excuse for your shitty Usenet attitude?
Don't bother to answer. I might only take the lie of an answer out of
context.
> you fail to show the post that requested the response
>
Yep. I "failed" to include the post because you didn't write it, and
it didn't require you bring your daughter into it. But somehow you
managed to do just that. And that's what I took out of context.
Horseshit.
I thought you cheapened your daughter's death, but if that's OK by
you, then you've got nothing to worry about because I think you're scum
for doing so. That is, if you had a daughter, and if she's dead.
> you also fail to present the WHOLE response, for true context.
You already said that. God, you're repetitive when you're cornered.
Do you think repetition makes you less of a freak?
When you said this before, in this post (so you don't make me quote you
again), I asked:
Did you or did you not use the alleged death of your daughter as part
of your excuse for your Usenet attitude?
You don't need the whole post as "context" to answer. You don't even
need to answer, because you *did* use the alleged death of your alleged
daughter as an excuse for your attitude.
And once again, I thought that cheapened your daughter's death, but if
that's OK by you, then you've got nothing to worry about because I
think you're scum for doing so. That is, if you had a daughter, and if
she's dead.
You see, Rocky, repetition doesn't make your explanation any more
credible.
>
> you further miss the thrust of the post, ie, anti war, anti bush.
>
So Bush is responsible for your daughter's death?
> Putting it in context, here it is once again (you forced this with your
> cut and paste)
>
----long cut and paste edited out---
So what?
What's your alleged daughter's alleged death doing in the middle of
that rant?
We're supposed to understand you better because you mentioned it? Feel
sorry for you? What do you want from us, Rocky?
Moving on, I am glad to see that you didn't even bother to protest the
other post I quoted you on, so that the explanation Bill's life stands
exposed for the pathetic hypocrisy it is.
Or do you still claim that you just don't remember that post, either?
You are an immense creep for playing on everyone's sympathy just to
justify your Usenet behavior. If your story about your daughter isn't
true, you're one sick fuck for making it up and every father in the
world has the right to spit on you, and I would be happy to be first in
line. If it is true, then you are the saddest excuse for a real father
I have ever heard of. You dishonor your daughter's memory by using her
as an excuse for a pathetic display of obnoxious rhetoric.
Take it elsewhere.
Dean F.
Excuse me, I haven't even posted to this this thread! WTF?
Dean F.
"RocketMan" <Rock...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9757892EDF...@208.49.80.124...
> When i listen to the returning soldiers
> and sailors at the American Legion Post, and the Disabled American
> Veterans talk about the lack of armor while showing their stump of a
> leg, I get really mad, because I worked for the DOD for 37 years, and I
> know what its like going to war, unlike our current administration. They
> cut the budget for armor, then plead ignorant when this war has 10 times
> as many amputations per fighting man than Vietnam.
You forgot to mention that the Bush Junta has slashed veterans'
benefits--and in a time of war, no less!
Oh, well. Somebody has to pay for Bush's tax cuts to the wealthy. And who
better than our combat vets? After all, what have THEY ever done for the
country?
Dean F.
> Its he who is acting low, claiming plonk then continuing to flame.
Three years ago, Bill called me "naive" and "a loser" because I had the
audacity to oppose the upcoming Iraq war. Well, according to Bill, about 60%
of the country must now comprise naive losers, because 2239 dead soldiers
later, that's how many oppose the war--at least according to recent polls.
Why do you suppose Bill hates America so much?
RocketMan
You are aptly named.
I am almost wishing that one of your children dies, so that you will
finally know what its like, and finally realize what an asshole you were
here today.
God forgive me.
Sharx35
"Dean F." <NoS...@BiteMe.com> wrote in message
news:46aCf.125$IV2...@fe05.lga...
Shove it up your faggot ass.
>
>
>
>
RocketMan
>> > Take your political garbage and shove it up your (or Dean's) ass.
>
> Excuse me, I haven't even posted to this this thread! WTF?
That was bugge in response to a political post I made. It wasnt me, dude.
The guy is just psycho. Came out of the blue like a bolt of lightning.
Manic Depressive I think, aka bipolar
probably off his lithium
RocketMan
> You forgot to mention that the Bush Junta has slashed veterans'
> benefits--and in a time of war, no less!
>
Amen. This subject hits home big time.
Intheway
RocketMan wrote:
> Except for this instance, I only post under RocketMan. Do I sound like
> Im holding back, or trying to maintain whatever rep RocketMan has by
> changing IDs? Please. Ill tell you anything under my RocketMan id.
>
> Im not trolling, nor am I changing IDs in an attempt to hide.
>
> EVERYONE knew it was RocketMan by the content of the post.
>
> Your comparing with ID changing trolls is incorrect.
>
Yep. Right. You didn't change IDs. Nor did you threaten to keep
changing your ID.
That's trolling.
>
> However, you will have to admit that you are not
> > the first person to tell a tale of hardships on the Internet, and you
> > wouldn't be the first to lie about it.
>
> So, any claim of a childs death needs to be supported with, what, an
> obit? Funeral pictures? Newspaper photos of the wreck?
Oh, please.
First of all, you start shifting IDs. You say you aren't being a
troll, but that's what trolls do.
Secondly, just because you say something happened, we're supposed to
take it at face value? How long have you been on the Internet? Do you
believe everything everyone says?
There are as many reasons to make stuff up in Newsgroups as there are
newsgroups. What makes you exempt from scrutiny?
>
> And once proven, then what? Does that then make comments like his off
> limits?
You brought the subject up. No one else.
You want a subject off limits? Don't bring it up in the first place.
You want a subject that you can bring up but without anyone questioning
what you say? Go set up your own moderated group.
Read the next line over and over until it sinks in:
NO ONE WOULD BE DISCUSSING THE DEATH OF YOUR DAUGHTER IF YOU HADN'T
OFFERED IT AS JUSTIFICATION FOR YOUR POST.
I still think that cheapens the memory of your daughter, if you really
had one, but then, I'm not looking to justify the way I say things
here.
>
> Look. I dont care if you or anyone takes me on regarding music,
> politics, history, any subject at all. Im game, and nothings personal.
> This one, however, digs to the heart, the memory I have of my daughter,
> and is very personal for me. I cant even put it into words.
Then why post about it at all? This just isn't consistent. It is OK
to keep secrets from Usenet.
Im reading
> what i just wrote and it doesnt convey the pain, nor does it portray my
> disdain.
Nor does it dispell any doubts.
>
> You totally miss the point. He trolled, then hid, then made comments
> which to me are beyond the pale.
He questioned whether or not you were telling the truth. To be frank,
we'll never know if you are, so I can't see why you're mad at Bill for
pointing this out.
This is the only way I can call him out
> to face me like a man.
Yep. Pixel to pixel combat. That's manly.
Get over yourself, Mortal Kombat Man.
>
> The death of a child is as sure
> > fire a way as there is to garner immediate sympathy, but, to be
> honest,> we have no way to know if it is true or not.
>
> Fuck sympathy. I dont need your sympathy.
>
> And, I WILL NOT let anyone who in any way brings up my daughter in a
> negative or insulting light slide by.
Then don't bring her up at all. You started this.
You talk above about your two
> daughters, stating that I can only begin to comprehend
>
> However, your post certainly tells me you dont have the first clue of
> what its like, otherwise you would say nothing.
>
You guess wrong. But then I really have two daughters.
You really shouldn't try mindreading on the Internet. Your received
obviously doesn't have enough wattage.
> >
> > Frankly, the speed with which you found it appropriate to bring your
> > daughter's death into the conversation, and doing so in an attempt to
> > validate what you had already posted, is enough to make me skeptical.
>
> He asked me why I was so nasty. Its my lifes experiences that makes me
> who I am. I talked about Vietnam, growing up in the inner city, and my
> daughter, the three most significant happenings in my life. My
> implication was that perhaps thats why Im sometimes nasty.
And you're still using your daughter as an excuse for your behavior on
line. I find that reprehensible to her memory, if she actually
existed. No father in the world would stoop that low.
>
> There was no bringing up her death in an attempt to validate whatI had
> already said, as you have posted.
>
> SHOW ME WHAT YOU ARE REFERRING TO HERE, because it simply never
> happened.
I already did. Your argument doesn't get any better with repetition.
>
> > Speaking as a father, referring to the death of your daughter to
> > justify a Usenet post
>
> Explain what you mean here. I wasnt justifying any post. I was answering
> his question to me.
Jeez, Rocky, this makes the fourth time.
"You're still using your daughter as an excuse for your behavior on
line. I find that reprehensible to her memory, if she actually
existed. No father in the world would stoop that low."
>
> Believe what you like. I dont really care anymore.
Good. It's getting obvious there's really nothing to care about.
>
> What would you do? Assume for a moment that your daughter died.
>
> Never mind. You just couldnt possibly know.
I'll tell you what I do know, from losing real loved ones. I don't use
their deaths as an excuse for the way I post on Usenet. I don't
dishonor their memories by claiming they justify something so petty as
being "nasty" in a Newsgroup.
>
> > Cappy may choose to believe you outright. That's his prerogative.
>
> Cappy knows what lines not to cross.
Yep. That's our Cappy alright.
ROFL
>
>
> > He's got a history of making up all sorts of things himself, so maybe
> > he thinks that believing you will encourage you to believe things he
> > says without questioning them. His motive really doesn't matter,
> > because it only applies to him. (He may also be playing you for a
> sap.
> > He's proud of his lack of compassion.
>
> I think you confuse some other character trait he may have with
> compassion. IMO, hes the only one here capable of compassion.
>
I may frame that paragraph for posterity.
> His display of concern for you
> > is not really his style.)
> >
> > You appear to have a substantial amount of knowledge about music, and,
> > Mariah Carey aside, you seem have something to contribute here.
> > However, right now, the signal to noise ratio in your posts is pretty
> > damned low.
> >
> > And just so you know, in the event you feel you have to react to me in
> > the same way, I don't killfile anyone, so you don't need to invent a
> > new screen name to harrass me
>
> Have I harrassed you? Why would I want to?
Who knows?
Just keep off the topic of my
> daughter, and Im fine.
>
Don't bring her into a discussion, and there won't be any need to
discuss her.
Intheway
Well, hoping that one of my children dies certainly gives you the moral
highground, doesn't it, Rocky?
> God forgive me.
ROFL
Wow, besides an invented dead daughter used to excuse being nasty, now
we have fake piety.
You're the complete package, Rocky.
RocketMan
> Why do you suppose Bill hates America so much?
>
He ran out of lithium?
Dean, have you ever listened to the Kieth Olbermann discussion on Politics
driving terror alerts?
I think he's onto something.
You'll find the text here, about half way down
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9665308
you can also launch the video from here, after listening to a 31 second
commercial
enjoy
Shoo-Bop-Shoo-Bop
> Three years ago, Bill called me "naive" and "a loser" because I had
> the audacity to oppose the upcoming Iraq war. Well, according to
> Bill, about 60% of the country must now comprise naive losers,
> because 2239 dead soldiers later, that's how many oppose the war--at
> least according to recent polls.
>
> Why do you suppose Bill hates America so much?
Dean,
I wish you hadn't posted this, but you did, so:
I called you a loser not because you opposed the war (as a matter of fact, I
expressed my doubts about it to Tom Marek of this group privately), but
because you posted your opposition in the group as one of a string of
vituperative political pronouncements. I pointed out that you were a loser
because you blamed the government for your personal failures, such as
toiling at an $8 an hour menial job and, rather than getting off your fat
ass and doing something about it, it was easier to blame the system, as
personified by George Bush. I regretted calling you a loser because it was
nasty, but I'm not above reacting to nastiness with nastiness, as you can
see.
I guess I can't call you a loser anymore, since you moved up to $10 an hour.
Or do I remember reading that you lost that job?
--
Bill Bugge
"Are the stars out tonight?
I don't know if it's cloudy or bright."
RocketMan
@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
> Wow, besides an invented dead daughter used to excuse being nasty, now
> we have fake piety.
>
Tell you what. If I can prove it to you, will you openly apologize?
RocketMan
@clgrps13:
> Shove it up your faggot ass.
>
Thanks for showing tolerance for your fellow man.
asshole
RocketMan
news:MwaCf.97$Qz...@fe12.lga:
> I guess I can't call you a loser anymore, since you moved up to $10 an
> hour. Or do I remember reading that you lost that job?
>
homophobic coward of a lunatic
Shoo-Bop-Shoo-Bop
Fred,
You're doing a fine job defending me, but please realize that he's a troll
and his objective is to draw you or me or anyone into combat online.
Unless you're enjoying yourself too much, I'd recommend battling him in the
most satisying way- ignoring him. Without recognition, he will soon fade
away.
--
Bill
Dean F.
> "Dean F." <NoS...@BiteMe.com> wrote in news:W3aCf.123$IV2...@fe05.lga:
>
> >> > Take your political garbage and shove it up your (or Dean's) ass.
> >
> > Excuse me, I haven't even posted to this this thread! WTF?
>
> That was bugge in response to a political post I made. It wasnt me, dude.
Figures. Bill can't stand the idea (let alone the reality) that not everyone
is exactly the same as he is. Bet he'd adore life in Orwell's Oceania!
By the way, RM, since you Vietnam vets haven't heard this nearly enough, I'd
like to say it right now:
Thank you for your service.
Now, if the brainwashed America-haters around these parts want to berate you
some more, let them. They're just a bunch of ignorant, clueless, punk-ass,
white-bread, worthless prep-school cocksuckers. Wonder what THEY did during
Vietnam?
Dean F.
Would you believe, Sharx actually considers himself educated and literate?
Of course, when you get all your "news" from Flush Limpballs and the Faux
News Channel, calling someone a "faggot" actually does count as being
literate and educated!
Hey, Sharx: why do you hate America so much?
Intheway
You're asking ME for an apology after wishing one of my daughters dead?
Go fuck yourself.
True or not, you've trivialized the death of a daughter to justify your
behavior on Usenet.
There's no need to apologize to anyone for that. You're just a creep
in my book, but that's just my personal opinion.
Now you wish death upon one of my daughters, and then have the temerity
to ask God to forgive you for making the suggestion, as if he is
anywhere near this group.
I repeat myself: Go fuck yourself
I'm sure God will also forgive me if I tell you to go fuck off with
your offer to "prove" something.
You've already proven you're the scum of the earth with that last post.
If there is any proof needed to the supposed depth of your sorrow about
your alleged loss, that one is it. No one who actually lost a daughter
would ever, EVER, wish the same thing on another, least of all over a
Usenet argument.
Your work here is done, RocketMan. There are thousands of other
newsgroups that haven't been dragged as low as you've taken this one.
I'm sure some of them will believe the crap about your daughter. Not
here, not now.
Shoo-Bop-Shoo-Bop
(clipped)
Now that my ID has been stolen, there's only one thing to do- I have to
change my ID. Inasmuch as I can't see how changing my ID will prevent
someone from stealing that new ID, the only thing I can do is adopt IDs
which I know work.
So, from now on, I'll be posting as yougotl...@yahoo.com
You can call me Tom, Larry or Lars.
--
Bill Bugge
Sharx35
"Dean F." <NoS...@BiteMe.com> wrote in message
Hate? I don't "hate" anything. I just despise leftie loonie
LIEbrawls/DEMONrats.
>
>
>
Intheway
Shoo-Bop-Shoo-Bop wrote:
> Fred,
>
> You're doing a fine job defending me, but please realize that he's a troll
> and his objective is to draw you or me or anyone into combat online.
>
> Unless you're enjoying yourself too much, I'd recommend battling him in the
> most satisying way- ignoring him. Without recognition, he will soon fade
> away.
I'm finished. Once he wished death on one of my daughters, there's
nothing more to be said to or about him. He's proven he's scum and a
troll.
I don't care if his prayer is answered (as phony as it was) and God
forgives him. In the words of the (sadly off-decade) classic by Harlan
Howard and Bobby Braddock, "God may forgive him, but I don't."
Intheway
Why don't you just wish his family dead? That's the manly thing to do,
right?
xpen...@earthlink.net
<wlas...@optonline.net.invalid> wrote:
>Dean F. wrote:
>> Three years ago, Bill called me "naive" and "a loser" because I had
>> the audacity to oppose the upcoming Iraq war. Well, according to
>> Bill, about 60% of the country must now comprise naive losers,
>> because 2239 dead soldiers later, that's how many oppose the war--at
>> least according to recent polls.
>>
>> Why do you suppose Bill hates America so much?
>
>Dean,
>
>I wish you hadn't posted this, but you did, so:
>
>I called you a loser not because you opposed the war (as a matter of fact, I
>expressed my doubts about it to Tom Marek of this group privately), but
>because you posted your opposition in the group as one of a string of
>vituperative political pronouncements. I pointed out that you were a loser
>because you blamed the government for your personal failures, such as
>toiling at an $8 an hour menial job and, rather than getting off your fat
>ass and doing something about it, it was easier to blame the system, as
>personified by George Bush. I regretted calling you a loser because it was
>nasty, but I'm not above reacting to nastiness with nastiness, as you can
>see.
>
>I guess I can't call you a loser anymore, since you moved up to $10 an hour.
and during a Republican administration. IIRC he got the "better job"
during the Clinton recession.
Shoo-Bop-Shoo-Bop
>
>
> I'm finished. Once he wished death on one of my daughters, there's
> nothing more to be said to or about him. He's proven he's scum and a
> troll.
That is far and away the worst thing I ever saw on the Intranet.
He makes Cappy look like Mary Poppins. Come to think of it, Cappy does look
a little......
xpen...@earthlink.net
It's a nice change of pace watching some other than Captain Cleo have
a turn in the barrel. I like the part where RocketWoman decided to
make sure there wasn't ever another Vietnam by working in the DoD for
thirty-seven years. OTOH I don't see him wailing about the millions
that the Communist killed after we left.
Shoo-Bop-Shoo-Bop-Do-Wah
news:kEaCf.99$Qz7...@fe12.lga:
> he will soon fade
> away.
>
You dont know me very well, do you
RocketMan
> I'm finished. Once he wished death on one of my daughters, there's
> nothing more to be said to or about him.
read the qualifying word, almost
asshole
I am almost wishing that one of your children dies, so that you will
finally know what its like, and finally realize what an asshole you were
here today.
you really are a historical revisionist
Once I find your phone number, Ill give you a call
Dean F.
Perhaps Bill visited my "Right-Wing Maggots" webpage, and came across facts
he couldn't immediately spin in Bush's favor? If so, that's kinda suprising.
After all, I thought the Bush-lover's capacity for denial and delusion was
limitless.
Whatever the case, I'm the worst nightmare of people like Bugge: a
left-winger who isn't quiet and deferential, and who fights back viciously
against the attacks of right-wing jerk-offs. And to make matters even worse
for them: until I was 21, I was a right-winger myself. Know what changed me?
The military! That's right. When I enlisted, I was an ardent conservative.
But when I received my discharge, I was a committed socialist.
In other words, I've been both a left-winger and a right-winger, and I
ultimately decided that at least 95% of the time, the latter is full of shit
(which assholes always are). I suppose that's why I hate the right so much.
After all, familiarity breeds contempt!
RocketMan
Thats a real good question.
Probably they were too old to get drafted.
I was 25 when drafted in 1970, with a one month old baby. I had a real
bad lottery number, in the 30s, I think.
So, if they were older than 26, they didnt fact the draft.
The other way around for folks my age would be Job deferment or student
deferment, but you had to have been in the job or school before the
announcement in 1970.
Finally, maybe they just had a good draft number.
More likely, after seeing how hateful and unamerican they can be, they?
probably went to canada, eh?
Intheway
RocketMan wrote:
> > I'm finished. Once he wished death on one of my daughters, there's
> > nothing more to be said to or about him.
>
> read the qualifying word, almost
OK.
You're almost a troll.
You're almost the most despicable person I've ever encountered on
Usenet.
You're almost scum.
You're almost a moron.
You almost didn't use the ploy of your daughter's death to justify
being "nasty" on Usenet. That almost makes you not a creep.
If you just meant "almost," then you really didn't need God to forgive
you, right?
Fuck almost off, troll.
RocketMan
@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com:
> Why don't you just wish his family dead? That's the manly thing to do,
> right?
>
a challenge for you
sit in on one session of your local chapter of a group called
"compassionate friends"
you would certainly shut the fuck up with your rant.
you probably have exceeded to lows bugge couldnt reach
does bill bugger you?
Intheway
Shoo-Bop-Shoo-Bop wrote:
> >
> > I'm finished. Once he wished death on one of my daughters, there's
> > nothing more to be said to or about him. He's proven he's scum and a
> > troll.
>
> That is far and away the worst thing I ever saw on the Intranet.
But did you read his justification?
I think, to be fair, you've got to say that his ALMOST wish is ALMOST
far and away ALMOST the worst thing you ALMOST ever saw on the
Intranet.
You see, the word "almost" means he didn't mean it. It's RocketMan's
equivalent of Cappy's "I was just trolling."
Shoo-Bop-Shoo-Bop-Do-Wah
NaCf.103$Qz7...@fe12.lga:
> Shoo-Bop-Shoo-Bop-Do-Wah wrote:
> (clipped)
>
> Now that my ID has been stolen, there's only one thing to do- I have to
> change my ID. Inasmuch as I can't see how changing my ID will prevent
> someone from stealing that new ID, the only thing I can do is adopt IDs
> which I know work.
>
> So, from now on, I'll be posting as yougotl...@yahoo.com
>
> You can call me Tom, Larry or Lars.
>
coward
Dean F.
"RocketMan" <Rock...@hotmail.com> wrote in message:
> > Wonder what THEY did during Vietnam?
>
> Thats a real good question.
For the record: Dick Cheney (before he dicks you) got five deferments during
Vietnam, while John "The Crisco Kid" Ashcroft got a whopping seven. Of
course, both "men" vocally supported the war, particularly when it became
obvious that their lily-white asses wouldn't have to fight in it.
Boy George, of course, didn't have to get any deferments. All he had to do
was get his daddy (the congressman) to make a phone call or two, and BAM!
Georgie Junior leap-frogged over hundreds of other appliants go get into the
texas Air Guard. And the son of a bitch went AWOL from even that cushy job!
Oh, but who cares about that? After all, Clinton got his dick sucked in the
Oval Office, and then (gasp!) lied about it!
If ever a U.S. president was a more worthless piece of shit than Bunnypants
Bush, I have yet to hear of him. No wonder he has the worst fifth-year
approval rating of any president since Ulysses S. Grant.
RocketMan
4ax.com:
> OTOH I don't see him wailing about the millions
> that the Communist killed after we left.
>
spoken just like a little coward watching the war on TV
we killed 6 million in southeast asia, a fact never talked about
DISCUSS
asshole
RocketMan
Interesting. I assume you found working people to be more trughful and
friendly than the self appointed aristocracy. In reality, Id rather be
lifting a Blue Ribbon at a red neck bar than sipping martinis with a
phony.
BTW, thank you for your service.
Army? National Guard?
xpen...@earthlink.net
wrote:
>
>"RocketMan" <Rock...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:Xns9757939AA7...@208.49.80.60...
>
>> "Dean F." <NoS...@BiteMe.com> wrote in news:W3aCf.123$IV2...@fe05.lga:
>>
>> >> > Take your political garbage and shove it up your (or Dean's) ass.
>> >
>> > Excuse me, I haven't even posted to this this thread! WTF?
>>
>> That was bugge in response to a political post I made. It wasnt me, dude.
>>
>> The guy is just psycho. Came out of the blue like a bolt of lightning.
>>
>> Manic Depressive I think, aka bipolar
>>
>> probably off his lithium
>
>Perhaps Bill visited my "Right-Wing Maggots" webpage, and came across facts
>he couldn't immediately spin in Bush's favor? If so, that's kinda suprising.
>After all, I thought the Bush-lover's capacity for denial and delusion was
>limitless.
>
>Whatever the case, I'm the worst nightmare of people like Bugge: a
>left-winger who isn't quiet and deferential, and who fights back viciously
>against the attacks of right-wing jerk-offs. And to make matters even worse
>for them: until I was 21, I was a right-winger myself. Know what changed me?
>The military! That's right. When I enlisted, I was an ardent conservative.
>But when I received my discharge, I was a committed socialist.
You and the bumbling Chappaquiddick Ted Kennedy. Watched him at the
Alito hearings and he couldn't even get Alito's name right. Kept on
calling him Alioto. OTOH he could get Barach Obama's name right
either . Kept on calling him Osama Bama, etc. The more vocal you guys
are the better the country is because fewer of you get elected and
re-elected. Listened to any Air America lately? The only way they can
get any stations to carry them is to pay them and even then the
stations are ones no one listens to.
y only are on obscure stations.
Intheway
Shoo-Bop-Shoo-Bop-Do-Wah wrote:
>
> You dont know me very well, do you
Like knowing you better would be a good thing. If we know you better,
do we get to meet your imaginary family?
Or do we ALMOST get to meet your imaginary family?
Psst!!! Rocky!!!! You went back to that ID you were only going to use
once.
Or was that just ALMOST once?
Fuck off, troll
Intheway
RocketMan wrote:
>>
> sit in on one session of your local chapter of a group called
> "compassionate friends"
>
This is the proof you were going to offer in order to get my apology?
Shit, man, you're going to have to work harder than that.
So the idea that you know the name of a support group is supposed to
impress me? Google works here, too.
Do your friends at "Compassionate Friends" know you've sunk to using
the supposed death of an alleged daughter to excuse cranky behavior on
Usenet? Are they proud of you for this?
Or is there a special chapter of "imaginary compassionate friends," a
support group for people who lie about losing a child.
Is that where you learned to ALMOST wish death on someone else's child,
you creep?
The point remains, no one who actually lost a child would even ALMOST
wish that on anyone else, especially over something as petty as a
Usenet argument. Anyone who has lost a loved one of any type knows
what is too sensitive a subject. Only a fool or a faker pretends
otherwise.
Are you a fool or a faker, RocketMan?
> does bill bugger you?
Wow, a joke about Bill's name! How fucking original!
It's obvious you used up all your creativity ALMOST inventing your dead
daughter.
Your cover story is ALMOST completely blown here, Rocket Man. Now,
ALMOST fuck off.
RocketMan
news:1138312027.3...@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com:
look how upset you are getting because a total stranger, in response to
some hate posts by you, declares I almost wish one of your children
died.
You are only beginning to feel the hatred and disdain I have for you and
the other coward that hides, but magnify it a million times.
Ill call you and we can discuss further.
RocketMan
@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
> Psst!!! Rocky!!!! You went back to that ID you were only going to use
> once.
>
for the same reason, oh ignorant one.
cant you take one and one and add?
Is that hard for you?
When you get buggered, is that hard for you too?
bill is aptly named, and you indeed are in the way
RocketMan
@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
> This is the proof you were going to offer in order to get my apology?
>
no, just take me up on it, and you'll find out
Dean F.
> Army? National Guard?
I was a Navy boy, actually. Got my first blowjob in a French whorehouse!
Intheway
RocketMan wrote:
> "Intheway" <fred.w...@gmail.com> wrote in news:1138312195.873980.167200
> @g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
>
> > Psst!!! Rocky!!!! You went back to that ID you were only going to use
> > once.
> >
>
> for the same reason, oh ignorant one.
>
So you were lying when you said you were only going to use it once.
Your methods become more clear with every post, oh lying one.
> cant you take one and one and add?
>
Sure I can.
One screen name plus one screen name equals one troll.
One fake dead daughter and one need to get pity equals one RocketMan.
How am I doing, oh outed one?
> When you get buggered, is that hard for you too?
>
> bill is aptly named, and you indeed are in the way
Oh, I'm reeling!
Jokes about Bill's name! And from an apparent homophobe!
Hey, Dean, have you told Rocky all about you?
Jokes about my screen name from some adult calling himself Rocket Man!
Ow! Ow! Ow!
The originality and the humor are the same caliber as the souce;
strictly small bore.
Why, you might say that I've ALMOST never heard those jokes before, if
by ALMOST you mean there haven't been thousands before you.
Now, I guess I could ALMOST puff myself up ALMOST to Rocket size and
say that I consider my screen name to be off-limits for discussion, and
I could tell a sad, but completely phony, story about how my original
screen name got run over by a bus full of Democrats, but that story
would ALMOST be as ludicrous the one that started this whole thing.
Almost.
You may be almost a troll, but you are completely a creep.
Intheway
RocketMan wrote:
>
> look how upset you are getting because a total stranger, in response to
> some hate posts by you, declares I almost wish one of your children
> died.
And look at how upset you are that I've exposed your dead daughter
story as a complete fake.
Dean F.
"RocketMan" <Rock...@hotmail.com> wrote in message:
> Interesting. I assume you found working people to be more trughful and
> friendly than the self appointed aristocracy. In reality, Id rather be
> lifting a Blue Ribbon at a red neck bar than sipping martinis with a
> phony.
Truth be told, I really haven't had any dealings with the aristocracy. I
have, however, dealt plenty of times with the white-bread, suburban,
upper-middle-class types who worship the aristocracy. You know, the kind who
become all self-righteous and indignant when you utter the "F" word in their
presence, but who think nothing about stepping over some homeless person
sleeping in the street on their way to the yogurt bar at lunch. How many of
those homeless people do you suppose are veterans?
xpen...@earthlink.net
wrote:
LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! RocketWoman why don't rocket out of here.
Personally when you mentioned the death of your daughter I thought you
were referring to the one you never had because you got your balls
shot off. As far as the six million we obviously didn't kill enough.
How about you rocketing over to Hanoi and get yourself a nice hut.
Intheway
xpene...@earthlink.net wrote:
> LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! RocketWoman why don't rocket out of here.
> Personally when you mentioned the death of your daughter I thought you
> were referring to the one you never had because you got your balls
> shot off. As far as the six million we obviously didn't kill enough.
> How about you rocketing over to Hanoi and get yourself a nice hut.
We now know the daughter story is a hoax, so why should any other part
of ol' PocketRocket's mythology be accepted as any more true?
xpen...@earthlink.net
wrote:
'If you're not a liberal at twenty, you have no heart, if you're still
a liberal at thirty you have no brain - Winston Churchill.
Maybe you two can hitch a ride with Rogan and Deliverance Dennis to Oz
and see if the Wizard will give you a brain.
xpen...@earthlink.net
RocketMan
@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
> And look at how upset you are that I've exposed your dead daughter
> story as a complete fake.
>
How much money would you like to take away from me?
Lets make a bet.
You pick anyone here that is neutral to hold the money.
Ive got 50K to put where my mouth is.
Lets see how convinced you really are.
If you have exposed me as a complete fake, you should have no problem with
this.
Put up or shut up.
RocketMan
RocketMan
@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
> We now know the daughter story is a hoax
50K
put up or shut up
xpen...@earthlink.net
wrote:
>
Which is more pathetic the prostitute or john? Still paying for sex,
Dean?
Sav...@aol.com
RocketMan wrote:
> > I'm finished. Once he wished death on one of my daughters, there's
> > nothing more to be said to or about him.
>
>
>
> I am almost wishing that one of your children dies, so that you will
> finally know what its like, and finally realize what an asshole you were
> here today.
>
> you really are a historical revisionist
>
> Once I find your phone number, Ill give you a call
It shouldn't be hard to find, Fred Wilhelms, and he's a lawyer in
Nashville.
RocketMan
Did you sail out of Norfolk? I know the area well
Sav...@aol.com
Dean F. wrote:
> "RocketMan" <Rock...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:Xns9757A2677F...@208.49.80.60...
>
> > Army? National Guard?
>
How long did it take the guy to cum?
xpen...@earthlink.net
Where's Bloomfield NJ?
RocketMan
>
> "RocketMan" <Rock...@hotmail.com> wrote in message:
>
>> Interesting. I assume you found working people to be more trughful
>> and friendly than the self appointed aristocracy. In reality, Id
>> rather be lifting a Blue Ribbon at a red neck bar than sipping
>> martinis with a phony.
>
> Truth be told, I really haven't had any dealings with the aristocracy.
> I have, however, dealt plenty of times with the white-bread, suburban,
> upper-middle-class types who worship the aristocracy.
Those are exactly the people I meant. I should have said faux
aristocrats.
You know, the
> kind who become all self-righteous and indignant when you utter the
> "F" word in their presence, but who think nothing about stepping over
> some homeless person sleeping in the street on their way to the yogurt
> bar at lunch. How many of those homeless people do you suppose are
> veterans?
The VA estimates that there are 200,000 homeless veterans on any given
night. Since I suspect a major whitewash in their stats, I would double
the number. Lets cut some more Veterans benefits. Maybe that will help.
xpen...@earthlink.net
wrote:
>"Intheway" <fred.w...@gmail.com> wrote in news:1138314589.285226.48890
>@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
>
>> And look at how upset you are that I've exposed your dead daughter
>> story as a complete fake.
>>
>
>How much money would you like to take away from me?
>
>Lets make a bet.
>
>You pick anyone here that is neutral to hold the money.
>
>Ive got 50K to put where my mouth is.
Show me the money!!!!!!!!
RocketMan
4ax.com:
> Maybe you two can hitch a ride with Rogan and Deliverance Dennis to Oz
> and see if the Wizard will give you a brain.
>
LMAO
Not because what you said has any humor.
Because it is totally lacking of humor, and you actually think its a hoot
LMFAO
Sav...@aol.com
LOL....I wish I could take the credit for revving you fools up like
this.
RocketMan
@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com:
> It shouldn't be hard to find, Fred Wilhelms, and he's a lawyer in
> Nashville.
>
Thats not a surprise (the lawyer part)
Sorry I hijacked your thread, but I see you recovered nicely with another.
Sav...@aol.com
Rocky, or anybody else can call me anytime they want - 973-680-0240.
If Fred were a man, he'd post his number so that Rocky could call him.
RocketMan
4ax.com:
> Show me the money!!!!!!!!
>
You taking the bet?
Pick someone like Diane, or anyone else here with a little class, to hold
the bet.
50K man. You are on.
RocketMan
@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com:
> LOL....I wish I could take the credit for revving you fools up like
> this.
>
Im having fun too, man.
Intheway
RocketMan wrote:
>>
> How much money would you like to take away from me?
>
> Lets make a bet.
>
> You pick anyone here that is neutral to hold the money.
>
> Ive got 50K to put where my mouth is.
>
> Lets see how convinced you really are.
>
> If you have exposed me as a complete fake, you should have no problem with
> this.
>
You've now gone from someone who is so distraught and angry over his
daughter's death that it is off-limits for discussion to someone who
now is willing to make his supposed daughter's alleged death the
subject of a bet in a Usenet newsgroup.
Shit, just when I think you couldn't get any lower, Rocky, you somehow
still manage to push the bar down on the limits of despicable behavior.
Just reading this posts makes me ill.
How morally corrupt is this new idea? (Don't answer, because I figure
you can eventually find a way to make this look good by coming up with
an even worse idea.)
Here's a news flash, Rocky:
You're a troll. I don't make bets with trolls.
You are a true creep. I don't make bets with creeps.
Anyone who would ALMOST wish death upon a member of my family is a
lower life form. I don't make bets with lower life forms.
You have turned something you declared was off-limits into a betting
proposition. The charade of your daughter's "death" has now been
totally debased. It really doesn't get any more pathetic than that.
If you were really a father, you would know that.
Move on. Your work here is done, RocketMan. Just go away. Adopt
another screen name and sell your sad story to another newsgroup.
You've busted yourself here.
RocketMan
4ax.com:
> Which is more pathetic the prostitute or john? Still paying for sex,
> Dean?
>
Bend Over. ill pay the five bucks you normally get
make him squeal like a pig, dean
justafin...@yahoo.com
Sharx35 wrote:
> The presence of ONLY 3 pop entries in a 50's list shows exactly what a load
> of fucking bullshit the HOF is.
Abso-freekin-LOOTLY, Sharx. What the blazes do people around here
think was being played on radio in the 50s?????
> > Below are those who have been inducted as artists, but who do not have
> > a single inducted yet:
> >
> > Ruth Brown
> > Five Royales
> > Wynonie Harris
> > Ricky Nelson
> > LaVern Baker
> > Five Keys
> > Jimmy Reed
> > Jack Scott
> > Frank Sinatra
Two observations here: first, roughly half this list lacks HoF status
as 50s artists as far as I am concerned -- and I'm basing that on top
40 air play at the time, and the ability of their recordings sustain
any significant level of popularity since. They may have made it big
R&B charts, or some other also-ran chart, but to my way of thinking,
pop music infers, by definition, POPULAR music.
Afro-Asian-Punk-Jazz-Raggae may have its own chart, but that doesn't
make its listings popular music -- nor would the existence of such a
chart (if it did exist) automatically qualify its listings as worthy of
HoF status in any *overall* 50s HoF. It's like hitting 50 homers in
the minors. Who gives a r@ts ass how big a splash you made in your
little pond if you made none at all in the big one?
Second observation is that the absence of any single by either Sinatra
or Nelson convinces me that the voters in general have no freaking clue
WHAT was popular in the 50s. Now, just to be clear, I personally never
cared all that much for Sinatra at the time -- my opinion has changed
somewhat since -- but love him or hate him, to ignore his impact on pop
music by suggesting that he has no worthy singles is nothing but
rampant ignorance of the era.
Finally, as I've said before, if a song (or an artist) can't make the
Top 40, what in blazes makes it worthy of HoF status?
Intheway
RocketMan wrote:
>
> Because it is totally lacking of humor, and you actually think its a hoot
This critique of humor is coming from a creature who thinks making a
joke of Bill's name is original humor.
This could be Exhibit B is why Rocket Man and Bruce are really the same
person.
RocketMan
Are you anywhere near Atlantic City? Maybe next time Im up there, Ill buy
you a beer, and we can make fun of people.
> If Fred were a man, he'd post his number so that Rocky could call him.
I just looked up Frederica Wilhelms in the Nashville book, but I couldnt
find her.
Intheway
RocketMan wrote:
> I just looked up Frederica Wilhelms in the Nashville book, but I couldnt
> find her.
Ow. This stuff stings so badly!
I am beginning to suspect your imaginary daughter faked her own bogus
death just to get away from such a poor excuse for a phony father. I
don't know why the idea of smothering you in your sleep never occured
to her, except for the fact she didn't exist.
RocketMan
@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com:
> You're a troll. I don't make bets with trolls.
>
You have no conviction for your declarations.
50K
Nashville isnt that far from me, an easy one day drive.
Wilhelms, Fred
4908 Salem Dr
Nashville, TN 37211
615-333-0434
Your reputation is at stake here.
How's 5pm tomorrow for you?
Sav...@aol.com
RocketMan wrote:
> > Rocky, or anybody else can call me anytime they want - 973-680-0240.
>
> Are you anywhere near Atlantic City? Maybe next time Im up there, Ill buy
> you a beer, and we can make fun of people.
No, I'm near Newark, and I hate beer.
> > If Fred were a man, he'd post his number so that Rocky could call him.
>
> I just looked up Frederica Wilhelms in the Nashville book, but I couldnt
> find her.
Here's what she looks like:
http://2005.sxsw.com/music/conference/panels/?action=bio&id=B114852
RocketMan
@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
Heard any good Laywer jokes?
Of course not. There are no good lawyers.
Intheway
RocketMan wrote:
>
> How's 5pm tomorrow for you?
So what are you going to do? Stand on my lawn and scream about your
daughter?
You've had the "courage" to post my name address and phone number.
Have you got the courage to post your own?