New addition to the FAQ
SavoyBG
>We have a new addition to the FAQ which will show up starting this Saturday.
Thanks Norm!!!
Now what about adding "cover" to the definitions already :-)
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FranksPlace2
Frank
sav...@aol.com (SavoyBG) wrote in message news:<20031216125056...@mb-m16.aol.com>...
SavoyBG
>FAQ # 19 Where are these FAQs?
They normally get posted every weekend. I don't know how your provider works,
but if you can go back and get old posts you'll see them.
pen...@earthlink.net
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(Last Updated 01/19/02)
Please send any additions or corrections to Norm Katuna
<normkatoperamaildotcom>.
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COPYRIGHT 1997, Norm Katuna San Diego, CA
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Thanks to the following people for their contributions and help:
Steve Propes, Rick Schubert, Marc Dashevsky, David Tamkin, Paula
Major, Ronald
Hontz
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FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS (FAQ) -- PART I
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INDEX
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1. What happened to alt.rock-n-roll.oldies? (Updated
10/28/96)
2. Are rec.music.rock-pop-r+b.1950s and 1960s appropriate
groups in which to sell my record collection? (Updated
11/16/96)
... post For-Sale and Wanted-To-Buy lists?
3. I need to find the lyrics to a certain song. (Updated
7/26/97)
4. Where do I find charted records information? (Updated 10/28/96)
5. Name all the songs with ???? in the title. (Updated
10/28/96)
6. How did the term "oldies but goodies" come about? (Updated
10/28/96)
7. What was the first rock and roll record? (Updated
10/28/96)
8. Who coined the term "rock and roll?" (Updated
10/28/96)
9. What is a "one-hit wonder?" (Updated
10/28/96)
10. When was the 45 first produced? (Updated 10/28/96)
11. Should I post my database of recordings? (Updated 10/28/96)
12. I want to share a bunch of my obscure songs with the group, can I
post them
to the group as wav. files, mp3 files or R/A files?
(Updated 11/23/96)
13. Can the charter be changed? (Updated
10/28/96)
14. Are there other types of music and artists appropriate
for these other than what is mentioned in the charter? (Updated
10/28/96)
15. What about Tommy Facenda's "High School U.S.A."? (Updated
10/28/96)
16. When involved in a thread, how do I show Book titles, album
titles, album
cuts and singles titles? (Updated 10/28/96)
17. I want to post a quiz for everyone to share in. (Updated
1/11/97)
18. Definitions (Updated
01/02/99)
19. Why aren't there any legal Cameo/Parkway CDs available? (Updated
1/19/02)
20. Where can I find a good 50s/60s album label discography?
(Updated 1/24/98)
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1. What happened to alt.rock-n-roll.oldies?
It was replaced by rec.music.rock-pop-r+b.1950s, 1960s, and 1970s.
Rec groups reach a larger audience than do alt groups and are
propagated
faster and more reliably. The more explicit newsgroup's names should
reduce the amount of off-topic posts.
Because there is no thorough mechanism for deleting alt groups,
alt.rock-n-roll.oldies never will go away completely. Notices about
rec.music.rock-pop-r+b.1950s, 1960s, and 1970s will be posted
regularly
to a.r.o inviting newcomers to come where the real action is.
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2. Are rec.music.rock-pop-r+b.1950s and 1960s appropriate groups in
which to sell my record collection?
... post For-Sale and Wanted-To-Buy lists?
No. Commercial activity is inappropriate in these discussion groups.
A good way to irritate potential customers and reduce the likelihood
that they will buy anything is to flout the charter of these groups.
Readers of rec.music.rock-pop-r+b.1950s and 1960s who are also
interested in buying and selling will be reading the following groups:
rec.music.marketplace.cd
rec.music.marketplace.vinyl
rec.music.marketplace.misc
which are the appropriate groups in which to buy and sell.
If you have been looking for that certain record for a long time,
there
will be no problem if you want to mention that fact on rock-pop-r+b,
but don't put up a want list such as: "Wanted 45 rpm R&B records" or
"Looking
for surf albums", or "I buy Frank Sinatra".
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3. I need to find the lyrics to a certain song.
There is a newsgroup just for this: alt.music.lyrics. If you are
trying to find the lyrics to a particular song, try there first.
If, after several days you do not get any positive response, try the
appropriate
rock-pop-r+b group.
Here is a list of sites that are devoted to lyrics:
http://metro.turnpike.net/~rogers/TAB/ (The 60's group own Andrew
Rogers)
http://www.escape.ca/~mloewen/ccr/lyrics/
http://www.ubl.com/ -The Ultimate Music Network
http://www.iinet.net.au/~pgb/lyric.html#A
http://pubweb.parc.xerox.com/docs/DigiTrad/DigiTradTitles.html
http://home.thezone.net/~sreid/lyricnet.htm
http://web2.kw.igs.net/~wgarvin/lyrics.html
http://www.enternet.co.nz/client/personal/jen/index.html
http://www.summer.com.br/~pfilho/ (Lyrics World) (Ron Hontz's
favorite place)
http://members.aol.com/waltervo/private/homepage.htm (all three
decades)
http://www.execpc.com/~suden/ (Den's oldies--covers all three decades)
http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Alley/8250/epl.html (Strictly for
Elvis)
http://www.lyrics.ch (International lyrics server)
http://move.to/Mirage (Mirage Sheet Music)
Additions are welcome.
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4. Where do I find charted records information?
These groups are great places for finding out such information. If
you
have an ongoing need for this type of information, consider buying one
of
the bibles compiled by Joel Whitburn. You can get more information
about Whitburn's books from http://www.recordresearch.com .
"Top Pop Singles 1955-1993" is quite valuable for anyone who wishes to
play the
Golden Oldies Lyrics Quizzes that appear in these groups every
three weeks or so.
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5. Name all the songs with ???? in the title.
There is a phenomenon whereby people request "Name all the..."
What we would like to see is that when someone wants to do this
type of post such as: "Name all the songs with colors in them" or
"Name
all the songs with girls names in them", that you request that the
answers
be e-mailed to you and you can then merge all the different responses
eliminating all the duplicates and then post one comprehensive list a
few days
later.
Because of the nature of the "Net" a person may see the original
without
seeing any responses for awhile. He/she thinks that they are the
first
with a group of responses and there are actually several showing up at
the
same time that basically repeat the same information. The e-mail part
keeps everyone from seeing a flood of repeat answers.
There are 2 main problems with these threads. One is the repeated
answers.
The other is the large number of posts listing only a few songs (some
of
which may be repeats) -- besides the fact that listing song titles
just isn't
very exciting to "most" of the members of these groups.
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6. How did the term "oldies but goodies" come about?
The following is from author Steve Propes:
Al Jarvis, who had the "Make Believe Ballroom" radio show in the
'40s
and '50s used the phrase "this is an old one but a good one". Art
Laboe took the same phrase and embellished it in the mid-50s,
coining "Oldies but Goodies." Laboe used to play some Oldies from
his show at Scrivener's drive-in the mid-50s. He eventually
trans-
ferred this phrase to his Original Sound Albums starting in 1959
with the first album of Oldies But Goodies. And for all intents
and purposes "Oldies" came from shortening "Oldies but Goodies."
Whether this is all true or the talk of legends, it probably still
ranks up there with the Alan Freed coining of "Rock and Roll."
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7. What was the first rock and roll record?
The following from the book: "What was the first Rock and Roll
record?" by Jim
Dawson & Steve Propes, by Faber & Faber, 1992, provides their
following list of
candidates:
1 Jazz at the Philharmonic: Blues, Part 2 (1944)
2 Joe Liggins and His Honeydrippers: The Honeydripper (1945)
3 Helen Humes with the Bill Doggett Octet: Be-Baba-Leba (1945)
4 Freddie Slack and His Orchestra, with Ella Mae Morse:
House Of Blue Lights
(1946)
5 Big Boy Crudup: That's All Right (1946)
6 Jack McVea and His All Stars: Open The Door, Richard (1946)
7 Lonnie Johnson: Tomorrow Night (1948)
8 Wynonie Harris and His All Stars: Good Rockin' Tonight (1948)
9 Wild Bill Moore: We're Gonna Rock, We're Gonna Roll (1948)
10 Orioles: It's Too Soon To Know (1948)
11 John Lee Hooker: Boogie Chillen (1948)
12 Arthur Smith and the Crackerjacks: Guitar Boogie (1948)
13 Stick McGhee and His Buddies: Drinkin' Wine Spo-Dee-O-Dee (1949)
14 Jimmy Preston and His Prestonians: Rock The Joint (1949)
15 Louis Jordan and His Tympany Five: Saturday Night Fish Fry (1949)
16 Professor Longhair: Mardi Gras In New Orleans (1949)
17 Fats Domino: The Fat Man (1950)
18 Muddy Waters: Rollin' and Tumblin' (1950)
19 Hardrock Gunter and the Pebbles: Birmingham Bounce (1950)
20 Hank Snow and His Rainbow Ranch Boys: I'm Movin' On (1950)
21 Ruth Brown with Budd Johnson's Orchestra:
Teardrops From My Eyes
(1950)
22 Arkie Shibley and His Mountain Dew Boys: Hot Rod Race (1950)
23 Les Paul and Mary Ford: How High The Moon (1951)
24 Jackie Brenston with His Delta Cats: Rocket 88 (1951)
25 Dominoes: Sixty Minute Man (1951)
26 Johnnie Ray with the Four Lads: Cry (1951)
27 Clovers: One Mint Julep (1952)
28 Bill Haley and the Saddlemen: Rock The Joint (1952)
29 Dominoes: Have Mercy Baby (1952)
30 Lloyd Price: Lawdy Miss Clawdy (1952)
31 Hank Williams and the Drifting Cowboys: Kaw-Liga (1953)
32 Willie Mae "Big Mama" Thorton with Kansas City Bill: Hound Dog
(1953)
33 Big Joe Turner: Honey Hush (1953)
34 Clyde McPhatter and the Drifters: Money Honey (1953)
35 Crows: Gee (1953)
36 Big Joe Turner: Shake, Rattle, and Roll (1954)
37 Royals/Midnighters: Work With Me, Annie (1954)
38 Chords: Sh-Boom (1954)
39 Bill Haley and His Comets: (We're Gonna) Rock Around The Clock
(1954)
40 Robins: Riot In Cell Block #9 (1954)
41 Elvis Presley, Scotty and Bill: That's All Right (1954)
42 Penguins: Earth Angel (Will You Be Mine) (1954)
43 LaVern Baker and the Gliders: Tweedle Dee (1954)
44 Johnny Ace with the Johnny Otis Orchestra: Pledging My Love (1954)
45 Ray Charles: I've Got A Woman (1954)
46 Bo Diddley: Bo Diddley (1955)
47 Chuck Berry: Maybellene (1955)
48 Little Richard: Tutti Frutti (1955)
49 Carl Perkins: Blue Suede Shoes (1956)
50 Elvis Presley: Heartbreak Hotel (1956)
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8. Who coined the term "rock and roll?"
Legend has it that the term "rock and roll" was coined by Alan Freed.
It is well documented that the phrase "rock and roll" was used in the
'30s and '40s, but it did not really point to the type of music that
we
have come to love in the '50s and '60s.
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9. What is a "one-hit wonder?"
A "one hit wonder" is sort of an enigma around these groups. Some
people have
different personal opinions on the subject. "Most" people agree on
the criteria
that is found in the book:
"The Billboard book of one-hit wonders". Written by
Wayne Jancik and published in 1990. 420 pages.
In the book there are several examples of his definition of "one hit
wonder".
His definition is a record that made it to the "Billboard" Top 40 and
the artist
never again had another Top 40 record. The artist may have charted
again or
before several times from #41 to #100 but never repeated in the Top
40.
If you are going to start a thread on "one hit wonders" and your
definition of
what a "one hit wonder" is different than the above, please state your
definition as to save arguing about the point.
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10. When was the 45 first produced?
The first commercial 45-rpm records were produced by RCA Victor in
1949
and were first placed on sale March 31, 1949.
For a detailed history please e-mail me (normkatoperamaildotcom)
requesting a
long article I wrote on this topic.
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11. Should I post my database of recordings?
Absolutely not! When large files, including databases and graphics
(jpegs,
gifs) are posted they displace valid discussion articles on servers
all over
the world. There are several alternative ways to distribute binary
files that do not affect others in the Usenet community adversely:
- Put them on your web page and notify rock-pop-r+b.
- Put them on an FTP server and notify rock-pop-r+b.
- Post them to a binary group and notify rock-pop-r+b.
- Notify rock-pop-r+b that those who want them may send you e-mail.
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12. I want to share a bunch of my obscure songs with the group, can
I post
them to the group as wav files, mp3 files or R/A files?
Absolutely not! This falls into the same category as #11. A wav
file, mp3 file
or Real Audio file is just another type of binary file. It can take
up as much
or more space than a graphics file. One 3 minute song can use up as
much space
as 150 normal posts to these news groups. Normal discussion groups
are not
equipped for this type of post. If you want to share such songs with
the
groups, please do them on your web page or through an FTP site, and
then notify
rock.pop.r+b that you have such a file at your site for everyone to
listen to.
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13. Can the charter be changed?
No. The Charter cannot be altered. The way it was voted on is the
way
it has to stay. Any clarifications to the Charter can be made in the
FAQs. There was a lot of time and work involved in the creation of
these groups. There was ample time to voice an opinion of concern
about the Charter or the way things were being done. Notification of
the process and discussions and voting were made to the proper news
groups. If you are new to the Net or just missed the creation
process, things happen like that, and I'm sorry you weren't an active
part of
the discussion and voting process. A lot of people voted for these
groups and
the Charter, just exactly the way they are now.
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14. Are there other types of music and artists appropriate for these
other than what's explicitly mentioned in the charter?
Any music that fits the time frame and in the categories Rock 'n'
Roll,
Pop or R&B is appropriate to discuss in these groups. If a polka tune
hit the Pop charts, by all means let's discuss it. This does not mean
that the origins of polka is germane to this group.
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15. What's the story with Tommy Facenda's "High School U.S.A."?
According to David Tamkin:
There were 28 versions, numbered 51-78 on Atlantic. (The original
Virginia version was Legrand 1001, re-recorded as Atlantic 51.)
One was a generic, with all the schools named for presidents
(or locations like "East" and "South" and "Central"), and it's on
CCM's "Teen Idols: for a Moment." The Los Angeles version is in
Ace's Golden Hits of American R&R series, volume 4."
The original Virginia version is technically a 29th version but there
were only
28 versions on Atlantic.
Here are all 28 Atlantic versions with the proper record #s:
Atlantic
45-51 Virginia
45-52 New York City
45-53 North & South Carolina
45-54 Washington DC
45-55 Philadelphia
45-56 Detroit
45-57 Pittsburgh
45-58 Minneapolis & St. Paul
45-59 Florida
45-60 Newark, NJ
45-61 Boston
45-62 Cleveland
45-63 Buffalo
45-64 Hartford
45-65 Nashville
45-66 Indianapolis
45-67 Chicago
45-68 New Orleans
45-69 St. Louis & Kansas City
45-70 Georgia & Alabama
45-71 Cincinnati
45-72 Memphis
45-73 Los Angeles
45-74 San Francisco
45-75 Texas
45-76 Seattle and Portland
45-77 Denver
45-78 Oklahoma
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16. When involved in a thread, what notation do I use to show Book
titles,
album titles, album cuts and singles titles?
Even though there is no clear answer, we have adopted the convention
that
book titles and album titles are shown in ALL CAPS, and "album cuts"
and
"singles titles" are shown with quotation marks surrounding them.
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17. I want to post a quiz for everyone to share in.
You can set up a quiz anyway that you want. You can have one question
or
several questions. The best way to do this is to post the quiz and
then put in
PLEASE DON'T POST TO THE GROUP--RESPOND BY E-MAIL ONLY. This way
everyone can
play, and not just the first person that sees the question on his/her
server.
After the allotted amount of days that you have given, you can then
post the
answers and all the winners at one time.
The positive aspects of doing it this way: The group doesn't get the
same
repeated answers over and over again over several days; It lets more
people get
involved knowing that they can also get credit for a correct response;
If you
only publish the correct answers and winners, it keeps people from
being worried
about being embarrassed about putting up a wrong answer for all the
group to
see.
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18. Definitions:
A. Answer record---Generally a record that uses the same
tune from a
hit record to make fun of the hit record by changing the lyrics to be
humorous,
but not always. The artist doing the answer record is listed in
parenthesis
Examples:
"Duke of Earl"---"Duchess of Earl" (Pearlettes/Bobby Smith & The Dream
Girls)
"Itsy Bitsy Teenie Weenie Yellow Polka Dot Bikini"---"Four Shy Girls"
(
Girlfriends)
"The Lion Sleeps Tonight"---"The Tiger's Wide Awake" (Romeos)
"Mother In-law"----"Son In-law" (Blossoms)
"Wolverton Mountain"---"I'm the Girl From Wolverton Mountain" (Jo Ann
Campbell)
B. Break-in record (Cut-in)---A record that is made up of
snippets of
songs of the day (usually--but there are cases of using songs from a
few years
before). These were made famous by Bill Buchanan and Dickie Goodman
and later
by just Dickie Goodman. There are hundreds of these records by many
different
artists. These are also known as "Flying Saucer" type records because
"Flying
Saucer" by Buchanan and Goodman was the first of these.
C. Alternate take--At a recording session more than one take
(recorded
version) may be kept on file for future use. What is considered the
best take
at the time is usually used for the commercial release. Sometimes a
different
take is used for a compilation album or in really rare cases the first
recording
that was issued is pulled and an alternate take from the same session
is used.
When this happens a lot of people will think "There is something
different about
that song." This was done with a 50s record from Whirling Disc
records. It was
Whirling Disc 107 and the songs were "I Really Love You"/"What Do You
Do" by The
Channels. After a couple of months in release, Bobby Robinson (the
owner) for
whatever reason, used two different takes (one for each side) from
the same
session for subsequent releases. Anyone that has heard both records
(I have
both) can tell the difference between the two in a minute. The most
famous of
all is the Bob Dylan, "Positively 4th Street" 45 on Columbia. For
some reason,
some copies of the commercial 45 were issued with a version of "Can
You Please
Crawl Out Your Window" instead of "Positively 4th Street". The funny
thing is
that Dylan's next release on Columbia "Can you please crawl out your
window" was
a different take than the mistake on "Positively...".
D. First Pressing--The way the record first came out on a
certain
label. Examples: The first pressing of "Sixty Minute Man" by the
Dominoes came
out on Gold top Federal. The first pressing of "Church Bells May
Ring" by the
Willows came out as "Church Bells Are Ringing" and all that was
changed a few
weeks later was the title. The label design and color remained the
same.
E. Second pressing (third, fourth, etc.)--A later legal
issue of a
record. This type is usually distinguished by a different type of
label
design, color, or by a small variation in the label.
F. Re-recording--A song that was originally recorded by an
artist for
one label and then was re-recorded and issued later by another label
(Sometimes
the original label will record the same song by the artist years
later).
Examples: Roy Orbison and the Teen Kings. "Ooby Dooby"--originally
recorded
for Je-wel records and was later re-recorded and issued on Sun.
Penguins--"Earth Angel (Will You Be Mine)"--Originally recorded by the
Penguins
and released by Dootone records. Re-recorded and issued later on
Mercury.
G. Reissue--There are several types of reissues. There is
the budget
reissue. This includes the K-tel, Design, Forum (Roulette's budget
label),
Metro (M-G-M's budget label), etc. labels. These are discount labels
that got
permission to use the original master to issue songs (usually hits)
later as
discount compilations. Then there is the reissue that is just a later
issue
that isn't a budget item. Labels that can fit here are:
Collectables, Eric,
Rhino and etc. And then there is the other type reissue. A record
that was
originally pressed on a small label and then was picked up by a major
or by a
big independent. Examples: Question Mark and the Mysterians--"96
Tears". First
recorded for Pa-go-go, it was picked up by Parkway/Cameo and reissued
on Cameo.
"Short Shorts", the Royal Teens--originally on Power, but the hit was
on ABC
Paramount after ABC picked it up from Power and reissued it on their
own label.
"Baby It's You" by the Spaniels was on Chance records. It was issued
first on
Vee Jay records.
H. Bootleg (Boot)--also known as counterfeit, also known as
a
repro(reproduction)--This is a record that was illegally remade to
look and
sound like the original issue. This is usually done by making a tape
of a
regular pressing of an original copy of one of the records and then
pressing
this up on vinyl. Most of these types are made up to look exactly
like the
original with the same artwork and label design (Once in awhile the
bootlegger
will make a subtle change to the label so as to let people know his
item is a
bootleg). This is also done without permission of the original record
company or
without permission of the owner of the master recording. The
counterfeiter does
not show any distinction between his forgery and the original. There
are also
"Boots" of 78s. These are bootleg 45s that are only known on 78 ("The
Church On
The Hill by the Charmers on Timely is an example of this).
19. Why aren't there any legal Cameo/Parkway CDs available?
In 1968, Allen Klein bought Cameo-Parkway. It appears that with the
transaction he met his match because Kal Mann retained all of the
original master tapes. After years of litigation, a stalemate ensued
between Klein and Mann, with Klein strongly holding his position that
his purchase of the company meant he was the beneficiary. Kal Mann's
argument was that as the original producer of the recordings and
having possession of the master tapes, made him the rightful owner.
As it is now, Allen Klein cannot issue anything on CD from the
catalogue without access to the tapes and the Kal Mann estate's hands
are tied because they need Klein's permission to do anything, since
his company, Abkco, owns the music publishing arm of the Cameo-Parkway
vault. Most likely, it will be quite a long time before a solution to
this deadlock can be sorted out by the Kal Mann estate.
20. Where can I find a good 50s/60s album label discography?
Visit our resident album label expert, Mike Callahan, who has a
site for just that purpose. He is constantly updating and adding new
labels.
He is located at http://www.bsnpubs.com He notifies both groups
whenever he
has major updates or additions to his label discographies.
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PART TWO: GENERAL NETIQUETTE
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What is Netiquette? It is the time-honored and time-tested rules of
the
road for the USENET.
I am not going to cover everything, but there are basic rules that if
followed, would make things in these two groups a lot nicer.
A new person to the "Net" or USENET newsgroups should spend a little
time
getting his/her feet wet by just observing and being a lurker (quiet
watcher) in his/her favorite groups. This is how you learn what
should or
shouldn't be posted in that particular group.
You should read any FAQs for those groups as soon as possible. This
could
keep you from being embarrassed by asking questions that have been
asked
many times before. Many regulars get tired of seeing the same
questions
asked over and over every few weeks.
I want to post something? Feel free to write but don't put your post
(article-thread) in ALL CAPITALS. It is considered shouting and is
very
rude. Nothing will alienate you quicker with a group than to use all
capitals.
Don't troll. That is don't go into a group just to start trouble.
Don't Spam. Don't post a junk post to several newsgroups,
particularly when
you know that the post has nothing to do with any of the newsgroups.
Examples:
"Make money fast" or "This really works."
When responding to a post. Make sure you see if the poster has asked
for
any responses to be done by e-mail. In these groups there are often
quizzes that the person who starts these only wants responses by
e-mail so
that several people can play and the quiz master will post the answers
and
winners at a later date. The most well known here is the GOLQs.
When responding to a post. Cut out (delete) any parts that you are
not
commenting on. Leaving everything in is a waste of space and a waste
of time
for people reading your post, and also makes it more difficult for
someone to find and understand what you have written. Also, make sure
that
your comments start on a new line and aren't just appended to a line
of
the original post since otherwise it will appear that your comments
were
part of the original post.
On the other hand, when responding to a post, make sure you do quote
enough
of the original post or otherwise establish the context for your
response
so that people understand what you are talking about. Although you
have just
read the post to which you are responding and know what you are
responding to,
others reading your post may not have just read the post to which you
are
responding and may not know what you are talking about. It is usually
necessary
to only quote a few lines or briefly paraphrase the statement or
question to
which you are responding.
DON'T just respond to the group with something like "I agree" or
"Right on" or
something like that. Those responses don't add anything to the
original post.
In those cases where you agree with someone but have nothing to add,
e-mail your
support to that person. If you post something, make sure that you are
contributing something to the newsgroup rather than just adding noise.
The most
common culprit will quote 50 lines and then add his own "I agree" at
the end.
Don't post large binary files or large lists. Discussion groups are
not
set up for these large files. They clog up the news servers and waste
space in the individual groups. Also, don't post binary pictures to
discussion groups. Your favorite picture of Chuck Berry might be
neat, but
it takes up a lot of space, and serves no real purpose to the groups.
If someone does a large crossposting and the material is irritating or
off-topic to the groups, don't post a response to the group
complaining
about it. All this does is add one more off-topic post, and it goes
back
to all the other groups that were crossposted to and will probably
irritate
members of the other groups that are being spammed.
Don't start or get into flame wars. These are arguments that can get
heated and ugly within the newsgroup. Any screaming at someone, if
you
must, needs to be done by e-mail. If you are irritated by someone,
don't
drag the rest of the group into the fight. The next advice is really
hard
to follow-I have trouble with this. Try and ignore the inflammatory
post
and let it go. The whole thing is usually forgotten in a few days
anyway.
Keeping things going in the group doesn't let the problem die on its
own.
Don't use regular newsgroups to send test posts. Almost all ISPs have
a
special group to send test posts. There is also a special Usenet
group called
alt.test where you can send test posts. One of the more irritating
things to
see as a header in a regular newsgroup, especially these rec.music
groups, is
THIS IS A TEST-- IGNORE, or something similar.
On 17 Dec 2003 06:47:11 -0800, franks...@email.com (FranksPlace2)
wrote:
Marc Dashevsky
> >From: franks...@email.com (FranksPlace2)
>
> >FAQ # 19 Where are these FAQs?
>
> They normally get posted every weekend. I don't know how your provider works,
> but if you can go back and get old posts you'll see them.
They should also be on your website.
--
Marc Dashevsky -- Put "usenet" in Subject if you want me to read e-mail.
SavoyBG
>They should also be on your website.
Why? and which one?
I don't see why they should be on my personal website, and I don't think they
belong on the hall of fame site either.
I would like to post a link to the groups themselves, but it seems that it's
different depending upon your provider. If I just drag the icon that I use into
an e-mail, and send it to somebody who's not on aol, it won't work.
Marc Dashevsky
> >From: Marc Dashevsky
>
> >They should also be on your website.
>
> Why? and which one?
I admit I haven't been paying too much attention, but once I saw
the HoF stuff was up, I had thought that there was a general
newsgroup site.
> I don't see why they should be on my personal website, and I
> don't think they belong on the hall of fame site either.
I agree on both counts. However if you constructed
a '50s/'60s(/'70s) site, the HoF could be put on it.
> I would like to post a link to the groups themselves, but it seems that it's
> different depending upon your provider. If I just drag the icon that I use into
> an e-mail, and send it to somebody who's not on aol, it won't work.
The groups are referred to by the following URLs:
news:rec.music.rock-pop-r+b.1950s
news:rec.music.rock-pop-r+b.1960s
news:rec.music.rock-pop-r+b.1970s
SavoyBG
>The groups are referred to by the following URLs:
>
> news:rec.music.rock-pop-r+b.1950s
> news:rec.music.rock-pop-r+b.1960s
> news:rec.music.rock-pop-r+b.1970s
>
I'll get them in there, I was missing the first part (news.)
Roger Ford
<use...@MarcDashevsky.com> wrote:
>> I would like to post a link to the groups themselves, but it seems that it's
>> different depending upon your provider. If I just drag the icon that I use into
>> an e-mail, and send it to somebody who's not on aol, it won't work.
>
>The groups are referred to by the following URLs:
>
> news:rec.music.rock-pop-r+b.1950s
> news:rec.music.rock-pop-r+b.1960s
> news:rec.music.rock-pop-r+b.1970s
These links don't seem to work for me over here:-(
The URL I have to use to get this newsgroup up in my web browser is
the lengthy
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&group=rec.music.rock-pop-r%2Bb.1950s
Is'nt living in Britain wonderful?
ROGER FORD
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Marc Dashevsky
> On Wed, 17 Dec 2003 18:05:46 GMT, Marc Dashevsky
> <use...@MarcDashevsky.com> wrote:
>
> >> I would like to post a link to the groups themselves, but it seems that it's
> >> different depending upon your provider. If I just drag the icon that I use into
> >> an e-mail, and send it to somebody who's not on aol, it won't work.
> >
> >The groups are referred to by the following URLs:
> >
> > news:rec.music.rock-pop-r+b.1950s
> > news:rec.music.rock-pop-r+b.1960s
> > news:rec.music.rock-pop-r+b.1970s
>
> These links don't seem to work for me over here:-(
It may mean that your browser isn't properly configured. If you run
Microsoft Internet Explorer, click the "Internet Options" item on the
"Tools" menu. Then click the "Programs" tab and see what it says
in the "Newsgroups" field.
> The URL I have to use to get this newsgroup up in my web browser is
> the lengthy
>
> http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&group=rec.music.rock-pop-r%2Bb.1950s
>
> Is'nt living in Britain wonderful?
What do you think this has to do with Great Britain?
Roger Ford
<use...@MarcDashevsky.com> wrote:
>Roger Ford says in article <bcf3uv42mqklb4gb8...@4ax.com>:
>> On Wed, 17 Dec 2003 18:05:46 GMT, Marc Dashevsky
>> <use...@MarcDashevsky.com> wrote:
>>
>> >> I would like to post a link to the groups themselves, but it seems that it's
>> >> different depending upon your provider. If I just drag the icon that I use into
>> >> an e-mail, and send it to somebody who's not on aol, it won't work.
>> >
>> >The groups are referred to by the following URLs:
>> >
>> > news:rec.music.rock-pop-r+b.1950s
>> > news:rec.music.rock-pop-r+b.1960s
>> > news:rec.music.rock-pop-r+b.1970s
>>
>> These links don't seem to work for me over here:-(
>
>It may mean that your browser isn't properly configured. If you run
>Microsoft Internet Explorer, click the "Internet Options" item on the
>"Tools" menu. Then click the "Programs" tab and see what it says
>in the "Newsgroups" field.
>
Thanks for the info Marc.
Okay,it said "Outlook Express" and the alternative was "Forte Agent"
which I tried but it still does'nt work
>> The URL I have to use to get this newsgroup up in my web browser is
>> the lengthy
>>
>> http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&group=rec.music.rock-pop-r%2Bb.1950s
>>
>> Is'nt living in Britain wonderful?
>
>What do you think this has to do with Great Britain?
Because for three days now there has been severe trouble with most UK
servers (mine included) and initially I thought this might have been
the problem.
pen...@earthlink.net
<mari...@bblueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>On Wed, 17 Dec 2003 18:05:46 GMT, Marc Dashevsky
><use...@MarcDashevsky.com> wrote:
>
>
>>> I would like to post a link to the groups themselves, but it seems that it's
>>> different depending upon your provider. If I just drag the icon that I use into
>>> an e-mail, and send it to somebody who's not on aol, it won't work.
>>
>>The groups are referred to by the following URLs:
>>
>> news:rec.music.rock-pop-r+b.1950s
>> news:rec.music.rock-pop-r+b.1960s
>> news:rec.music.rock-pop-r+b.1970s
>
>These links don't seem to work for me over here:-(
They will as long as there is no > or >> in front of them.
Marc Dashevsky
> Marc Dashevsky wrote:
> > Roger Ford says:
> > > Marc Dashevsky wrote:
> > > > The groups are referred to by the following URLs:
> > > >
> > > > news:rec.music.rock-pop-r+b.1950s
> > > > news:rec.music.rock-pop-r+b.1960s
> > > > news:rec.music.rock-pop-r+b.1970s
> > >
> > > These links don't seem to work for me over here:-(
> >
> > It may mean that your browser isn't properly configured. If you run
> > Microsoft Internet Explorer, click the "Internet Options" item on the
> > "Tools" menu. Then click the "Programs" tab and see what it says
> > in the "Newsgroups" field.
>
> Thanks for the info Marc.
>
> Okay,it said "Outlook Express" and the alternative was "Forte Agent"
> which I tried but it still does'nt work
Just a couple more questions and then I'm out of ideas:
1. What newsreading software do you use?
2. What does "doesn't work" mean? You click on it and nothing happens?
Does your newsreading software underline it or do whatever it does
to make http: URLs look "clickable?"
Roger Ford
<use...@MarcDashevsky.com> wrote:
>Roger Ford says in article <v2q3uv4mor5mr1n36...@4ax.com>:
>> Marc Dashevsky wrote:
>> > Roger Ford says:
>> > > Marc Dashevsky wrote:
>> > > > The groups are referred to by the following URLs:
>> > > >
>> > > > news:rec.music.rock-pop-r+b.1950s
>> > > > news:rec.music.rock-pop-r+b.1960s
>> > > > news:rec.music.rock-pop-r+b.1970s
>> > >
>> > > These links don't seem to work for me over here:-(
>> >
>> > It may mean that your browser isn't properly configured. If you run
>> > Microsoft Internet Explorer, click the "Internet Options" item on the
>> > "Tools" menu. Then click the "Programs" tab and see what it says
>> > in the "Newsgroups" field.
>>
>> Thanks for the info Marc.
>>
>> Okay,it said "Outlook Express" and the alternative was "Forte Agent"
>> which I tried but it still does'nt work
>
>Just a couple more questions and then I'm out of ideas:
>
>1. What newsreading software do you use?
>
Agent
>2. What does "doesn't work" mean? You click on it and nothing happens?
Exactly!
> Does your newsreading software underline it or do whatever it does
> to make http: URLs look "clickable?"
Yes they appear in your post as normal "clickable" URL links