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callisto

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Nov 13, 2004, 6:11:49 PM11/13/04
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Have R.E.M. ever admitted to putting subliminal messages in any of
their songs or has anyone found any?

One time I was messing around with Windows Sound Recorder and ended up
recording the first 60 seconds of Everybody Hurts and then played it
in reverse...I am positive it says "I'll be your man" and "We're in
heaven" when it's played in reverse.

IF i was correct about the "we're in heaven" line, it's a bit strange
because the song is about telling people NOT to die.

It's most likely just a coincidence.

Irrat8ed

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Nov 13, 2004, 6:52:11 PM11/13/04
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Now I have heard something like this before. But it was in "It's The End of
The World As We Know It (And I Feel Fine)." If you play the last 24 seconds
of the song in reverse it's known to say: "buy a shirt on the way out of the
show." This is why they always play it last. Except on this tour. I think
if you checked it out you would also see that this tour shirt sales are down
about 50%. Also "Agohayuc" is Cuyahoga backwards. Now let's check this
"message!"

A go hay u c - "A" as in Ahh!...go as in "go"..."Hay" as in hay that you
feed to animals on a farm and "u c" as in "you see." So...it says "Ahh, go
hay you see!" This is the band telling Bill Berry to go work on his farm.

There are all kinds of messages in ALL R.E.M. songs! You just have to look
for them. Geeze!

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MBrent31

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Nov 13, 2004, 10:31:35 PM11/13/04
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>Subject: subliminal messages in R.E.M. songs
>From: call...@2die4.com (callisto)
>Date: 11/13/2004 3:11 PM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: <78c87efc.04111...@posting.google.com>

>
>Have R.E.M. ever admitted to putting subliminal messages in any of
>their songs or has anyone found any?

stay away from the brown acid.

TBone

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Nov 14, 2004, 8:51:40 AM11/14/04
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"callisto" <call...@2die4.com> kirjoitti
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> IF i was correct about the "we're in heaven" line, it's a bit strange
> because the song is about telling people NOT to die.
>

Well, I've always thought that they sing "do it! do it!"...

TBone


Andrew Palka

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Nov 14, 2004, 10:29:27 AM11/14/04
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"callisto" <call...@2die4.com> wrote in message
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I agree that it is just a coincidental pattern of backwards syllables that
gives the impression of being a message. Supposed backwards messages are
certainly nothing new BTW.

I remember years and years ago, when LP records were still the dominant
music medium, certain high profile members of the moral majority had a field
day with this whole concept.

According to
them, every single rock and roll album out there had some subliminal message
buried in it extolling the praises of either SATAN, unmarried SEX, DRUGS,
or of course my favorite....CHEAP BEER.

These supposed messages were cleverly recorded on the LP backwards (hence
the term backwards masking). How the human brain was supposed to be able to
take that backwards message and mentally turn it around so that its evil
intent could
be processed by the unsuspecting listener is still a mystery to
me.

But I do remember one time a good friend of mine and I took some of the
records accused as having evil messages like "I am Satan's lap dog." or
whatever on them, and fueled by CHEAP BEER, we played them backwards one by
one, no doubt utterly destroying my friends stereo turntable needle in the
process
(his idea, his turntable, my beer) Our results:

Most "Satanic Messages" usually sounded something like MXPZZPT TXPP SZEPP
ZEPP ZEPPSZWORP at best. Our drunken conclusion:

The people who were desperately looking for signs of Satanic collusion
buried in rock and roll music heard exactly what they wanted to hear. There
just ain't no
backwards odes to Satan or to anything else on rock albums. And if there
were any kind of deliberate message, it would probably be inserted more as a
joke or as a nod to those who either know about or remember the famous "I
buried Paul" controversy. If any of you youngsters don't know about that, go
to

http://www.turnmeondeadman.net/IBP/IBuriedPaulIntro.html

But if "serious" subliminal messages ever were inserted, they would no doubt
be more along the lines of :

"You love this album enough to buy another copy. Then you will buy our
entire back catalog available now at a Best Buy near you".

Hey. Maybe inserting that first line from the above paragraph to Reveal
somewhere subliminally might get it back into US gold album contention...;-)

Andrew
**************************************************************
"We're always trying to be better songwriters. I think we're doing OK."-Mike
Mills


Trichome

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Nov 14, 2004, 10:44:47 PM11/14/04
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In article <rRKld.1136$aG3...@fe1.columbus.rr.com>,
"Andrew Palka" <asmu...@columbus.rr.spamnotspam.com> wrote:

> "callisto" <call...@2die4.com> wrote in message
> news:78c87efc.04111...@posting.google.com...
> > Have R.E.M. ever admitted to putting subliminal messages in any of
> > their songs or has anyone found any?
> >

<snip>

> These supposed messages were cleverly recorded on the LP backwards
> (hence the term backwards masking).

Sorry to drop in a totally obscure correction, but "backwards
masking" refers, as I understand it, to the phenomenon by which a soft
sound is not heard by the human ear after a loud sound immmediately
preceding. If you drop a bowling ball, and a pin right afterwards, you
won't hear the pin, even if you could normally hear it when dropped
alone.


Trichome

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Mr. PB

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Nov 15, 2004, 7:06:02 PM11/15/04
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There is some backward guitar on Chronic Town somewhere

ZZRobLee

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Nov 15, 2004, 10:01:39 PM11/15/04
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>Hey. Maybe inserting that first line from the above paragraph to Reveal
>somewhere subliminally might get it back into US gold album contention...;-)

Had Reveal not already gone gold (I think it's sold some 700-800,000 copies),
this joke would have been much funner.....

Andrew Palka

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Nov 15, 2004, 10:39:37 PM11/15/04
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"ZZRobLee" <zzro...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Hmm. Maybe I should read the trades more.......

Is it too late to change the word gold in my above quote to platinum?..:-)

Trichome

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Nov 16, 2004, 12:42:31 AM11/16/04
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In article <MrQ95A1E4A93...@QsFQDN.dyndns.org>,
»Q« <box...@gmx.net> wrote:

> Trichome <proph...@ver-EYE-zon.net> wrote in
> <news:prophit1970-141D...@news.verizon.net>:


>
> >> These supposed messages were cleverly recorded on the LP
> >> backwards (hence the term backwards masking).
> >
> > Sorry to drop in a totally obscure correction, but "backwards
> > masking" refers, as I understand it, to the phenomenon by which a
> > soft sound is not heard by the human ear after a loud sound
> > immmediately preceding. If you drop a bowling ball, and a pin
> > right afterwards, you won't hear the pin, even if you could
> > normally hear it when dropped alone.
>

> I believe that's forward masking, and that backward masking is when a
> later sound masks a preceding sound. There's forward and backward
> visual masking, too.

Thanks for the correction.

> I guess the bible-thumpers who so fear music grabbed the term to
> make it sound both scientific and sinister, and the term stuck.

The need for a catchy name outweighed the fact that the term already
had a meaning.

Brian

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Nov 16, 2004, 9:52:21 AM11/16/04
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In Stumble "teeth."

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ZZRobLee

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Nov 16, 2004, 4:10:04 PM11/16/04
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>Is it too late to change the word gold in my above quote to platinum?..:-)
>
>Andrew

hehe...no worries. you are absolved ;)

Andrew Palka

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Nov 16, 2004, 6:58:58 PM11/16/04
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"ZZRobLee" <zzro...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Thanks man.....;-)

Even though Reveal didn't do much for me, I'm actually happy to hear from
you that it's sold that many US copies at this point. Maybe it still has a
shot for platinum

Andrew
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MBrent31

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Nov 16, 2004, 7:14:46 PM11/16/04
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>Subject: Re: subliminal messages in R.E.M. songs
>From: "Andrew Palka" asmu...@columbus.rr.spamnotspam.com
>Date: 11/16/2004 3:58 PM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: <6vwmd.2604$T13....@fe2.columbus.rr.com>

>
>
>"ZZRobLee" <zzro...@aol.com> wrote in message
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>> >Is it too late to change the word gold in my above quote to
>platinum?..:-)
>> >
>> >Andrew
>>
>> hehe...no worries. you are absolved ;)
>
>Thanks man.....;-)
>
>Even though Reveal didn't do much for me, I'm actually happy to hear from
>you that it's sold that many US copies at this point. Maybe it still has a
>shot for platinum
>
>Andrew

same here. i've actually been giving it (another)
fresh listen-- comparing and contrasting w/ ATS.
there's always been a few cool things on there,
but too many 'lush' strings, etc. i much prefer
ATS; more of a 'stripped down' sound. Reveal
is anti-grunge...

ZZRobLee

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Nov 16, 2004, 10:34:41 PM11/16/04
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>Even though Reveal didn't do much for me, I'm actually happy to hear from
>you that it's sold that many US copies at this point. Maybe it still has a
>shot for platinum
>
>Andrew

I'm hoping they pull off an Aerosmith/Eagles kind of deal, where new listeners
years later and such push the old albums over the platinum plateua. would've
been cool for ATS to be that grab for younger listeners, to sort of put them
back in the mainstream....but, whatever...they've never cared about commercial
success anyway...

Ron Henry

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Nov 17, 2004, 8:41:58 AM11/17/04
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"Brian" <j...@joe.com> wrote in message
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> In Stumble "teeth."

Yeah, but that's not recorded backward, it's just muffled a bit by other
noises and Stipe being goofy, right? (ISTR something about it referring
to the teeth of a zipper he was playing with, or perh lighting a match
on, when they started rolling tape.)

Ron


Jperdue4

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Nov 17, 2004, 2:53:34 PM11/17/04
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You can hear him tapping on his teeth right before he says..."Teeth"...I think
he was doing coke and his teeth were numb..
:)
JonP

Jperdue4

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Nov 17, 2004, 2:52:38 PM11/17/04
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>.but, whatever...they've never cared about commercial
>success anyway...
>
>

lol
jonp

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