Im ashamed to say
Dale Cooper
My friend pointed out to me the sexual interpretation of FRETLESS- man,
everything fits and it can be REALLY SICK! Especially the chorus!
KevHobbes
<< My friend pointed out to me the sexual interpretation of FRETLESS- man,
everything fits and it can be REALLY SICK! Especially the chorus!>>
I hope I can say on behalf of everybody-- WHAT??!!
"Don't talk to me about being alone."
don't get it, feeling thick-headed, going down, help, inherent
twisted-sexual-meaning analyzer and giggle-inducer is on the fritz, help
kev
Wait a second-being alone-sex--umm, maybe I get it, but what's so sick
about that?
"I'm going...outside...to...stalk...Lenny and Carl........Doh!"
spark
they come and they come and they come and they come
i accept it with a gentle tongue
Ethan Kaplan
Fretless is about divorce, IMHO.
Ethan
KevHobbes <kevh...@aol.com> wrote in article
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Andy Adelewitz
In article <54mld0$3...@newsbf02.news.aol.com> kevh...@aol.com (KevHobbes) writes:
><< My friend pointed out to me the sexual interpretation of FRETLESS- man,
>everything fits and it can be REALLY SICK! Especially the chorus!>>
>I hope I can say on behalf of everybody-- WHAT??!!
>"Don't talk to me about being alone."
>don't get it, feeling thick-headed, going down, help, inherent
>twisted-sexual-meaning analyzer and giggle-inducer is on the fritz, help
I think maybe they were referring to "They come and they come and they come
and they come, I accepted with a gentle tongue." But that's just a guess...
:)
Andy
KevHobbes
Wait, I get it, okay, feeling better, naive, red-cheeked but none the
worse for the journey; twisted-sexual-meaning analyzer has been repaired
and is chugging along fine.
Just one more thing: Ew.
kev
"Woozle-wuzzle? That's what passes for entertainment these days?"
Chaos Harlequin
spark <sp...@concentric.net> wrote:
>they come and they come and they come and they come
>i accept it with a gentle tongue
Eh! And my usually fine-tuned Unintended Innuendo meter didn't even
blip on that. :)
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part...@servtech.com (Chaos Harlequin) writes:
>spark <sp...@concentric.net> wrote:
>
>>they come and they come and they come and they come
>>i accept it with a gentle tongue
>
>Eh! And my usually fine-tuned Unintended Innuendo meter didn't even
>blip on that. :)
Perhaps because it wasn't unintended?
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Ethan Kaplan wrote:
>
> Fretless is about divorce, IMHO.
I think it is, but I'm sure that soon after they wrote it, REM realized
that they had a real sick song if taken the wrong way. That and the
cheesy back-up vocals caused them to shelf this otherwise beautiful
song.
>
> Ethan
>
> KevHobbes <kevh...@aol.com> wrote in article
> <54mld0$3...@newsbf02.news.aol.com>...
> > << My friend pointed out to me the sexual interpretation of FRETLESS-
> man,
> > everything fits and it can be REALLY SICK! Especially the chorus!>>
> >
> > I hope I can say on behalf of everybody-- WHAT??!!
> >
> > "Don't talk to me about being alone."
> >
> > don't get it, feeling thick-headed, going down, help, inherent
> > twisted-sexual-meaning analyzer and giggle-inducer is on the fritz, help
> >
> > kev
> > Wait a second-being alone-sex--umm, maybe I get it, but what's so sick
> > about that?
> >
> > "I'm going...outside...to...stalk...Lenny and Carl........Doh!"
> >
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Chaos Harlequin
l4...@qcvaxa.acc.qc.edu (Chris [Steve] Piuma) wrote:
>part...@servtech.com (Chaos Harlequin) writes:
>>Eh! And my usually fine-tuned Unintended Innuendo meter didn't even
>>blip on that. :)
>Perhaps because it wasn't unintended?
No! I refuse to say that! We have Tongue and Binky already, Fretless
does *not* need to be about sex! I think my UI Meter was just out of
batteries after a long day at school... :)
Chaos Harlequin
"Alex Carmichael, Defrocked Loser" <lo...@byu.edu> wrote:
>Ethan Kaplan wrote:
>>
>> Fretless is about divorce, IMHO.
>I think it is, but I'm sure that soon after they wrote it, REM realized
>that they had a real sick song if taken the wrong way.
You think R.E.M. really think, "Wow, this is a great song, but some
Beavis and Butthead is going to go, 'Cool, this song is about, like,
blow jobs'"?
>That and the
>cheesy back-up vocals caused them to shelf this otherwise beautiful
>song.
"Cheesy back-up vocals"? What are you referring to? The woman singing
"don't talk to me about being alone"? I like that.
Chaos Harlequin
L4...@qcvaxa.acc.qc.edu (PIUMA CHRIS) wrote:
>Well, we didn't have Tongue and Binky when we first got Fretless.
Well, that's true...
>It's a
>fairly vague song -- well, the emotion is specific, but the particulars lead to
>nowhere in particular. Which of course is why I like it.
That's true. As for the question of who the song is told by, I think
the child is a perfect narrator: It fits perfectly into the song as
written. Lines like "They each come around when the other is gone/Me,
I think I got stuck somewhere in between," "The die has been cast, the
battle is won/The bullets were blanks, a double aught gun/I couldn't
admit to a minute of fun," and "Don't threaten me with a gentle
tease/Don't threaten me with angry/Please, please, please/Don't try to
tell me what I am" seem to back this interp up.
And of course, many, many lines in this song ("He's got his work and
she comes easy," "The bullets were blanks, a double aught gun," "Don't
threaten me with a gentle tease") are pretty easily pervertable to
this meaning, but that reminds me of the people who go "Booooooingggg"
every time someone uses the words "wood," "jugs," or "meat"...
But then I have no room to talk, being one of the first to ROTFLMAO
during El Cid when he declares to his lady love, "I tried not to come,
I tried and I tried." :)
>And, of course, none of these songs are _about_ sex; they're about situations
>where sex is, you know, there. The emotional vectors of sex, if you will.
Okay. That's sort of a semantic issue, really: what I'm talking about
is songs where sex is the main focus, which Tongue, Binky, and
(according to this interp) Fretless are.
>"I can only swallow what I ate" -- I mean!
Well, yes, I see what you mean, but I somehow doubt this was the
intent. I don't understand how such, well, goofy sounding sexual
references could be written purposely into the song, when the mood
conveyed is anything *but* goofy. Heck, I don't understand why sex
would come into the picture at all -- I don't really see anything in
the lyrics that indicates any sort of sexual relationship between the
narrator and any other character, only between "him" and "her." Could
you help me here?
Melora Foy
PIUMA CHRIS (L4...@qcvaxa.acc.qc.edu) wrote:
> I mean, it does seem to be about some sexual triangle. People seem to think
> it's about a divorce; who's the narrator then? The child? Eh, maybe. It's a
> fairly vague song -- well, the emotion is specific, but the particulars lead to
> nowhere in particular. Which of course is why I like it.
I agree that the song seems to be about some kind of sexual triangle. It
could be about divorce, but I get more of a feeling that it's about some
kind of sexual situation. For example, "Don't threaten me with a gentle
tease" does not strike me as something a child would say to a parent.
Melora
Lizz Braver
In article <555m8f$i...@alvarez.physics.csbsju.edu>,
SAL...@tiny.computing.csbsju.edu says...
>That's the best point I've heard yet! In the quote that started all of
this,
>it says "THEY come..." I assume that means "him" and "her"... where
does the
>narrator fit into that whole situation? This gets to be a very kinky
situation
>if we still insist that it's talking about sex. And then how do the
rest of
>those lines fit into this scene? Thanks for pointing that out for us.
>
Unaccustomed as I am to public perversion, I can tell you that my (and
many, many others') take on the song is that the narrator is involved
sexually and (at least, on the narrator's side) emotionally with a
couple. I believe "three-way" is the technical term.
Lizz "Just as long as we^H^H^Hthey don't do it in the street and
frighten the horses" Braver
Lanz, Sara Ann
: Heck, I don't understand why sex
: would come into the picture at all -- I don't really see anything in
: the lyrics that indicates any sort of sexual relationship between the
: narrator and any other character, only between "him" and "her." Could
: you help me here?
That's the best point I've heard yet! In the quote that started all of this,
it says "THEY come..." I assume that means "him" and "her"... where does the
narrator fit into that whole situation? This gets to be a very kinky situation
if we still insist that it's talking about sex. And then how do the rest of
those lines fit into this scene? Thanks for pointing that out for us.
-SA
Dale Cooper
On Oct 29, 1996 22:58:11 in article <Re: Im ashamed to say>, Jeez, I started this thread and I never took it to ACTUALLY MEAN anything
sexual, just that it fit really well if you wanted to be immature and
perverted. :-) BTW, I think it's about divorice.
Stephen Marley
Dale Cooper (ca...@usa.pipeline.com) wrote:
: On Oct 29, 1996 22:58:11 in article <Re: Im ashamed to say>,
Did you know Fretless used to be called ``Benjamin ??? Love
Triangle''. I've got an old lyric book from a guy called Zak in Alaska
and it has a song with the words to Fretless but the above title.
(Sorry I can't remember it properly, but I'll look it up if anyone's
interested.)
--
Stephen Marley <ste...@memex.co.uk>
Emerick Rogul
On 31 Oct 1996 16:07:16 GMT, ste...@memex.co.uk (Stephen Marley) said:
: Did you know Fretless used to be called ``Benjamin ??? Love
: Triangle''. I've got an old lyric book from a guy called Zak in Alaska
: and it has a song with the words to Fretless but the above title.
: (Sorry I can't remember it properly, but I'll look it up if anyone's
: interested.)
no, it was always called fretless. during the borderline shows,
however, stipe referred to it as a cover of new order's 'bizarre love
triangle.' a bootlegger with dubious hearing and musical knowledge
accidentally took stipe (almost) literally and decided the song was
called 'benjamin carolyn love triangle'. makes for a cool story, tho.
-emerick
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Ethan Kaplan
Bizarre Love Triangle is what you mean, but that doesn't negate divorce.
Ethan
Stephen Marley <ste...@memex.co.uk> wrote in article
<55airk$8...@mxgate.memex.co.uk>...
> Dale Cooper (ca...@usa.pipeline.com) wrote:
> : On Oct 29, 1996 22:58:11 in article <Re: Im ashamed to say>,
> : 'di...@ohww.norman.ok.us (Lizz Braver)' wrote:
> :
> :
> : >I believe "three-way" is the technical term.
> :
> : Jeez, I started this thread and I never took it to ACTUALLY MEAN
anything
> : sexual, just that it fit really well if you wanted to be immature and
> : perverted. :-) BTW, I think it's about divorice.
>
>
> Did you know Fretless used to be called ``Benjamin ??? Love
> Triangle''. I've got an old lyric book from a guy called Zak in Alaska
> and it has a song with the words to Fretless but the above title.
> (Sorry I can't remember it properly, but I'll look it up if anyone's
> interested.)
>
> --
> Stephen Marley <ste...@memex.co.uk>
>
James Dye
Stephen Marley (ste...@memex.co.uk) wrote:
: Did you know Fretless used to be called ``Benjamin ??? Love
: Triangle''.
It was introduced by the band as New Order"s "Bizarre Love Triangle" on stage, which it wasn't. But
"Benjamin Love Trainagle" or something like that was listed on bootlegs. The song has always been named
"Fretless."
By the way, Frente had a hit with an acoustic version of "Bizarre Love Triangle" a couple of years ago.
Both it and the original are very, very good. (New Order's original is a lot wierder, though, which is a
-good- thing. :) )
j
: I've got an old lyric book from a guy called Zak in Alaska
Ethan Kaplan
No, your wront. Stipe introduced Fretless as Bizarre Love Triangle on
stage. It never was Benjamin Caroline Triangle, thats something that was
stuck on a bootleg, misnomer.
Fretless, in instrumental form was origianally called "Here I Am Again" The
only lines that were in that was the "no heart broken, no needless gift."
It's on a bootleg of studio outtakes called "Here I Am Again"
Ethan
Stephen Marley <ste...@memex.co.uk> wrote in article
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> Ethan Kaplan (eth...@gte.net) wrote:
> : Bizarre Love Triangle is what you mean, but that doesn't negate
divorce.
>
> Nope, Bizarre Love Triangle is a rather good New Order song. The
alternative
> title for Fretless is/was ``Benjamin Caroline Triangle''.
>
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Stephen Marley
Ethan Kaplan (eth...@gte.net) wrote:
: No, your wront. Stipe introduced Fretless as Bizarre Love Triangle on
: stage. It never was Benjamin Caroline Triangle, thats something that was
: stuck on a bootleg, misnomer.
I'm not wrong. `Bizarre Love Triangle' is a New Order song which
existed long before `Fretless'. As for `Benjamin Caroline Triangle', I
merely pointed out that I have an old lyric book, by Chelby X Zac,
Alaska, dated June 1991 in which the lyrics for Fretless are given this
title. Stipe may have introduced the song as BLT but he clearly stole
that name from New Order.
Does anybody know where the title, Benjamin Caroline Triangle comes
from? Is it just Bizarre Love Triangle misheard?
--
Stephen Marley <ste...@memex.co.uk>
Stephen Marley
Graeme Bick
Stephen Marley wrote:
> I'm not wrong. `Bizarre Love Triangle' is a New Order song which
> existed long before `Fretless'. As for `Benjamin Caroline Triangle', I
> merely pointed out that I have an old lyric book, by Chelby X Zac,
> Alaska, dated June 1991 in which the lyrics for Fretless are given this
> title. Stipe may have introduced the song as BLT but he clearly stole
> that name from New Order.
>
> Does anybody know where the title, Benjamin Caroline Triangle comes
> from? Is it just Bizarre Love Triangle misheard?
>
> --
> Stephen Marley <ste...@memex.co.uk>
I thought it was always called Fretless, referring to the type of bass guitar
that Mills used on it which was given to him by an Australian guitar maker,
can't remember name i think they are in Melbourne, it has a big Australian
flag on it, and they gave it to Mills guring the Green tour.
Then during the borderline show (if i remember correctly) Stipe introduced it
as a COVER of a new order song "Bizarre Love Triangle". (which obviously it
isn't) I'd take a lot of stuff I read on the back of bootlegs with a grain of
salt.... Some guy probably misheard it.
Graeme
Becca
Bizarre Love Triangle is a rather good New Order song. The alternative
> title for Fretless is/was ``Benjamin Caroline Triangle''.
>
Michael went out with her for a while...
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Chaos Harlequin
ste...@memex.co.uk (Stephen Marley) wrote:
>Does anybody know where the title, Benjamin Caroline Triangle comes
>from? Is it just Bizarre Love Triangle misheard?
Yes. The guy heard Stipe's introduction, screwed it up somethin' good,
and included it on the bootleg, which is where this whole discussion
comes from.
Melora Foy
Becca (jsm...@brad.ac.uk) wrote:
> Bizarre Love Triangle is a rather good New Order song. The alternative
> > title for Fretless is/was ``Benjamin Caroline Triangle''.
> >
> Is this the same Caroline that is in 'the one I love video'? I heard
> Michael went out with her for a while...
That Caroline! The title is starting to make a lot more sense!
Who's Benjamin, then?
Melora
Alanna Baker
On Tue, 5 Nov 1996, Chaos Harlequin wrote:
> ste...@memex.co.uk (Stephen Marley) wrote:
>
> >Does anybody know where the title, Benjamin Caroline Triangle comes
> >from? Is it just Bizarre Love Triangle misheard?
>
> Yes. The guy heard Stipe's introduction, screwed it up somethin' good,
> and included it on the bootleg, which is where this whole discussion
> comes from.
on the 3.14.91 tape Stipe specifically says "Benjamin Caroline Triangle".
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In article <55mbi8$g...@newshound.csrv.uidaho.edu>,
mel...@raven.csrv.uidaho.edu says...
>
>> Is this the same Caroline that is in 'the one I love video'? I heard
>> Michael went out with her for a while...
>
>That Caroline! The title is starting to make a lot more sense!
>Who's Benjamin, then?
>
Ha! This makes my interpretation of the song a little easier to swallow,
so to speak.
Lizz "Pervs R Us" Braver