Pavement
Pittsburgh
Steve
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Pittsburgh wrote in message <375DD33B...@ix.netcom.com>...
JaMeS RuSsElL
Placebo I like
Semi-sonic I like
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Ummm.
What do they sing?
PULPSTRESS
"Cut Your Hair" is probably their most known song......
"ooh ooh ooh ooh ooh ooh/ ooh ooh ooh ooh ooh ooh ooh oooooh/ darlin' don't you
go and cut your hair/ do you think it's gonna make him change?/ i'm just a boy
with a new haircut/ that's a really nice haircut...."
jennifer bilberry (THE disco tart)
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dane...@my-deja.com
Pittsburgh <mill...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> Pavement have a new album out called 'Terror Twilight'. Go buy it.
>
> Steve
Agreed, I bought it at the store's opening today.It is wonderful. Go
all and buy the album. Catch them when they come to your town you will
not be disappointed. See you July 9th if anyone is in SF, CA.
daniela
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>
> "Cut Your Hair" is probably their most known song......
>
I know Shady Lane, and....The Unseen Power of the Picket Fence!!! The
reason you can connect Pavement to R.E.M.!! They wrote a song about `em! :)
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JaMeS RuSsElL
Maybe I just heard of them here since everyone else talks about them?!?
James
jimmy bryant
>Pavement have a new album out called 'Terror Twilight'. Go buy it.
>
>Steve
Or, instead of buying the album, go see them perform live, because
live music is better.
pavement tour dates:
SUN 6/6DULUTH, MNShiners Hall
MON 6/7MINNEAPOLIS, MNFirst Avenue (21+)
TUE 6/8MINNEAPOLIS, MNFirst Avenue (All Ages)
THU 6/10CHICAGO, ILMetro (18+)
FRI 6/11CHICAGO, ILMetro (all ages)
SAT 6/12DETROIT, MISt. Andrew’s Hall
SUN 6/13TORONTO, ONThe Guvernment
TUE 6/15BOSTON, MAThe Roxy
WED 6/16NEW YORK, NYIrving Plaza
THU 6/17NEW YORK, NYIrving Plaza
FRI 6/18PHILADELPHIA, PATrocadero
SAT 6/19WASHINGTON, DC9:30 Club
SUN 6/20NEW YORK, NYIrving Plaza
TUE 6/22ATLANTA, GACotton Club
WED 6/23ATLANTA, GAEcho Lounge
WED 7/7LOS ANGELES, CAEl Rey Theatre
THU 7/8LOS ANGELES, CAEl Rey Theatre
FRI 7/9SAN FRANCISCO, CAThe Fillmore
SAT 7/10SAN FRANCISCO, CAThe Fillmore
TUE 7/13PORTLAND, ORCrystal Ballroom
WED 7/14SEATTLE, WAShowbox
THU 7/15VANCOUVER, BCVogue Theatre
SAT 9/4SEATTLE, WAThe Bumpershoot
Europe
FRI 6/25ENGLAND Glastonbury Festiva
lSAT 6/26GERMANYHurricane Festival
SUN 6/27GERMANYSouthside Festival
WED 6/30ITALYRimini Velvet Festival
WED 7/1ITALYBeach Bum
FRI 7/2BELGIUMWerchter Festival
SAT 8/28ENGLANDReading Festival
SUN 8/29ENGLANDLeeds Festival
Japan
SUN 8/22OSAKAIMP Hall
MON 8/23NAGOYAClub Quattro
TUES 8/24TOKYOBlitz
WED 8/25TOKYOBlitz
jimmy
thin_king
if only tonight we could slide into deep black water and breathe
robin
do go and see them live
(i dont really know pavement except for shady lane,but i heard mogwai
are supporting,and they are excellent)
OB rem-i remember reading a while ago (i think it was in that hideous
nme interview with him and courtney love) that michael stipe loves
mogwai
so go see them......
cheers
robin
Twisted Kite
jimmy bryant wrote in message <375e032a...@news.mindspring.com>...
>WED 6/16NEW YORK, NYIrving Plaza
Yes!
>THU 6/17NEW YORK, NYIrving Plaza
Yes!
>SUN 6/20NEW YORK, NYIrving Plaza
Yes!
prop
They did a cover of rems "camera"..it can be found on the "Cut Your Hair"
single!!
They also wrote a song about the place where i live called "I Love Perth"
..its not that common for a band write a song about us here in perth...
though rem did start their monster tour here..so i guess we must be
good!!
..just a plug for my fair city : )
i guess some rem fans may find them a bit wierd..but i can draw some
strong
parallels between pavement and bands such as radiohead, remy zero and
sonic youth..
cheers
heath.
AMYSA
>single!!
i don't really think of that as a "cover" though.
amy
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dane...@my-deja.com
am...@aol.comasutra (AMYSA) wrote:
> i don't really think of that as a "cover" though.
>
why do you not think it a cover? It wasn't their song and they played
it, what else does covering a song entail? It may not have been a
particularly good cover, but it's still a cover.
daniela
--
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- Pavement
Ron Henry
>In article <19990609103824...@ng-fa1.aol.com>,
> am...@aol.comasutra (AMYSA) wrote:
>
>> i don't really think of that as a "cover" though.
>
>why do you not think it a cover? It wasn't their song and they played
>it, what else does covering a song entail? It may not have been a
>particularly good cover, but it's still a cover.
I don't think it's a matter of it not being good, so much as that the band
took a lot of liberties with the lyrics and structure of the song, so that you
might not know (other than for the guitar line and a few phrases) that it was
a cover of Camera in the first place. But in terms of quality, if you like
Pavement's style (and of course not everyone does), you'll probably like this
cut as well.
Actually it's pretty cool when a band turns the concept of "cover" into a gray
area. There were some examples of this on the _Surprise Your Pig_ album, as
well (e.g. Vic Chesnutt's ITEOTWAWKI).
Ron
Chris Brown
>
>>Pavement have a new album out called 'Terror Twilight'. Go buy it.
>>
>>Steve
>
>
>Or, instead of buying the album, go see them perform live, because
>live music is better.
Not until S.M. learns the words.
Anyway, I bought the album today, and the CD-ROM you get with it is plenty
good enough.
Chris
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Mosca
<jo...@LeisureSuit.net> wrote:
>
>jimmy bryant wrote in message <375e032a...@news.mindspring.com>...
>
>>WED 6/16NEW YORK, NYIrving Plaza
>
>Yes!
>
>>THU 6/17NEW YORK, NYIrving Plaza
>
>Yes!
>
>>SUN 6/20NEW YORK, NYIrving Plaza
>
>Yes!
Except that, according to the ad in today's Village Voice, the shows
are sold out. If I had money for tickets, I'd be depressed, but I've
spent all my money on Fountains of Wayne and Beth Orton, and then
there's this R.E.M. show that I shelled out a day's paycheck for.
(Yay minimum wage!)
Anyway-- if you're really determined, you could go to the Irving Plaza
box office and plead-- the ad wasn't terribly clear as to whether all
three shows were sold out, or just one. Or show up on the night of
your choice and hope for the best.
Mosca
"We're fools whether we dance or not, so we might as well dance."
-- Japanese proverb
AMYSA
>>why do you not think it a cover? It wasn't their song and they played
>>it, what else does covering a song entail?
ron answered:
>I don't think it's a matter of it not being good, so much as that the band
>took a lot of liberties with the lyrics and structure of the song
i say:
yeah...what ron said! :-)
i don't consider it a cover because aside from the aforementioned liberties,
the song isn't sung in the spirit that it was intended. the meaning is lost in
their effort at being snide. (imo, that is...others have had different
interpretations of the song...)
that aside, i love the song. i like pavement in general...
Robert Andrews
'Brighten the Corners.' I followed that up with 'Wowee Zowee,' and they've
become one of my favourite bands.
They're just so brilliantly refreshing in the liberties they take -
musically, lyrically, structurally, citrus-sounding guitars, voices
sometimes bordering on out-of-tune; but it's superb. They're quite
experimental, without having to 'go electronic.'
I draw lots of parallels with R.E.M. but I think most of them are with
'Early R.E.M.' I think, perhaps, Pavement have now overtaken R.E.M. in
being so self-consciously alternative, uncaring and experimental with what
they do with guitar-based music. Pavement are as close to freeform beat
poetry-rock as R.E.M. were with Murmur, Reckoning and Fables.
I agree with prop, who also draws comparisons with Radiohead... that's
really my triumvirate of bands... R.E.M., Pavement, and Radiohead. Plus,
Blur have always cited Pavement as a major influence. I would love to see
them live; Mogwai in support would be good, too.
JaMeS RuSsElL wrote in message <375DE10F...@pin.co.nz>...
prop
Robert Andrews wrote:
> I agree with prop, who also draws comparisons with Radiohead... that's
> really my triumvirate of bands... R.E.M., Pavement, and Radiohead. Plus,
> Blur have always cited Pavement as a major influence. I would love to see
> them live; Mogwai in support would be good, too.
yeh!!..someone agreed with me!!
definately see them live if u get a chance..pavement actually come to
australia quite regularly..well at least every 18 months..so ive been lucky
to see them a few times
I havent really gotten in Mogwai yet..i find them a bit slow...although they
are quite sonically refreshing..
perhaps a Mercury Rev support...thatll be great!!!
of course a Pavement/REM gig would be the best..
although i heard once that the two bands werent that close as bands go, or
werent that fond of each other?!?!?
i doubt it though..anyone else heard anything??
cheers,
heath
pi...@flim.com
am...@aol.comasutra (AMYSA) wrote:
> danela asked:
> i don't consider it a cover because aside from the aforementioned
liberties,
> the song isn't sung in the spirit that it was intended. the meaning is
lost in
> their effort at being snide. (imo, that is...others have had different
> interpretations of the song...)
Hm. This thread is colliding nicely with the "strip down" thread.
So what if the meaning is lost? That's what makes it a reinterpretation.
Covers shouldn't be carbon copies -- they should explore other
possibilities that the song offers.
While I haven't heard Pavement's Camera since I gave that single to Ron
(I wasn't into them yet, so I didn't make myself a copy -- stupid!
stupid!), it almost seemed like it was more an exploration of what a
cover could be than a literal take on the song. But I'd need to relisten
a few times to know for sure.
--
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dane...@my-deja.com
pi...@flim.com wrote:
> Hm. This thread is colliding nicely with the "strip down" thread.
>
> So what if the meaning is lost? That's what makes it a
reinterpretation.
> Covers shouldn't be carbon copies -- they should explore other
> possibilities that the song offers.
>
> While I haven't heard Pavement's Camera since I gave that single to
Ron
> (I wasn't into them yet, so I didn't make myself a copy -- stupid!
> stupid!), it almost seemed like it was more an exploration of what a
> cover could be than a literal take on the song. But I'd need to
relisten
> a few times to know for sure.
>
> --
> Chris Piuma, etc.
> www.flim.com
This is exactly what i meant by asking why you didn't think it was a
cover. Most of the songs on Surprise.. take many liberties with REM
songs as well (we walk quickly comes to mind). You could also look at
Superchunk covers of Sebadoh songs, which always get the "lyrics" wrong.
I think that since michael's lyrics are hard to decipher it would be
acceptable to take dramatic liberties since you don't know most of the
time what the hell he is saying. I've been into the band ten years and
still can't tell right away. Just a thought.
daniela
--
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Pulpstress Extraordinaire
>Blur have always cited Pavement as a major influence.
"Always"?
Blur have been around longer than Pavement have as far as releasing albums goes
(Leisure came out in 1990, Slanted & Enchanted came out in 1991)... I'm sure
Graham has always liked Pavement, but I doubt he'd ever considered them a
musical interest until a few years ago (with their self-titled album)
AMYSA
>Covers shouldn't be carbon copies -- they should explore other
>possibilities that the song offers.
agreed...i think we're on the same page as far as our feelings on the "cover".
at this point it's probably nothing more than a semantic argument.
it's a remake, perhaps...or a reinterpretation. or, even, just THEIR
interpretation. but, i just have always thought of a cover as being a more
literal take on a song.
i contradict myself on that defination all the time, but that's my general
feelings about it.
amy
"I like having low self-esteem. It makes me feel special."--jane lane
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AMYSA
>cover.
for the record, that was me, not chris...just making sure you direct your posts
at the correct person because it seems to me that chris was agreeing with you
on the cover issue, babe.
that aside...
>I think that since michael's lyrics are hard to decipher it would be
>acceptable to take dramatic liberties since you don't know most of the
>time what the hell he is saying.
perhaps...but, in this case, they took a song that we all have a general idea
of what the meaning is and changed it so they could take a dig at the band.
if i took the song losing my religion and sang the verses correctly, but
inserted "rem sucks" over and over and over into the chorus would that be a
cover? i know it's not the same thing, exactly, but pavement's version of
camera isn't a very nice song.
amy (who still wants to stress that she LIKES the "cover"...)
Chris Brown
Pulpstress Extraordinaire wrote in message
<19990610135323...@ng-cs1.aol.com>...
>>Plus,
>>Blur have always cited Pavement as a major influence.
>
>"Always"?
>Blur have been around longer than Pavement have as far as releasing albums
goes
>(Leisure came out in 1990, Slanted & Enchanted came out in 1991)... I'm
sure
>Graham has always liked Pavement, but I doubt he'd ever considered them a
>musical interest until a few years ago (with their self-titled album)
Which, of course, doesn't sound much like Pavement. And that's all to the
good really because the whole Pavement thing seems to me to be one of those
things that's easy to do but hard to do well. The only bands I an think of
who've got any mileage out of it are the Delgados and Cable, both of whom
have rather more to them than their obvious Pavementisms.
Pulpstress Extraordinaire
chris:
No, it doesn't sound like Pavement at all. I know so many Blur fans who think
it does and hate it because of that... they've obviously never heard anything
by Pavement other than maybe "Cut Your Hair" and *possibly* "Range Life"
jennifer
>Pulpstress Extraordinaire wrote in message
><19990610135323...@ng-cs1.aol.com>...
>
>>Blur have been around longer than Pavement have as far as releasing albums
>goes
>>(Leisure came out in 1990, Slanted & Enchanted came out in 1991)... I'm
>sure
>>Graham has always liked Pavement, but I doubt he'd ever considered them a
>>musical interest until a few years ago (with their self-titled album)
>
>
jennifer bilberry (THE disco tart)
jimmy bryant
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A.Vos
>
> Pavement have a new album out called 'Terror Twilight'. Go buy it.
>
> Steve
I just did. I've listened to it once and it's more different then I
expected. It doesn't have that free feeling.
But it spinned only once in my cd player so......
Stand-out songs so far: Spit on a Stranger and the single(forgot the
name)
A>V
dane...@my-deja.com
vos0...@wxs.nl wrote:
> I just did. I've listened to it once and it's more different then I
> expected. It doesn't have that free feeling.
> But it spinned only once in my cd player so......
>
> Stand-out songs so far: Spit on a Stranger and the single(forgot the
> name)
>
> A>V
I agree it's very different but better than brighten i think. Although
blur connections (which ever way the influence flows) it's a very Brit
album. FYI, i don't like the song which goes "i bleed in beige..."