Why not Smile about Bill Berry?
Michael Vail
Hi, everyone. I've been listening to R.E.M's new song Why not smile alot
lately (thanks, Sadtomato :) ), and I'm just wondering if anyone else
thinks the song sounds like it was written about Bill Berry and his
leaving the band. I know it sounds like maybe kind of a stretch, but then
again, there are those lyrics: "You've been sad for a while", etc. which
sort of point to Bill, at least in my mind. Has anyone else thought this,
or am I just reading too much into the song? And if it's not about Bill,
what do think it is about? I'd like to know what you think. Thanks,
Mike
Rynocubs23
Just wondering, does Bill get credit for writing the song, I don't have a copy
of it yet so I don't know. I know that they wrote a bunch of songs before Bill
left so I would think that some of their new songs would give Bill credit for
writing it with them.
Anya1023
>Just wondering, does Bill get credit for writing the song, I don't have a
>copy
>of it yet so I don't know. I know that they wrote a bunch of songs before
>Bill
>left so I would think that some of their new songs would give Bill credit for
>writing it with them.
>
>Ben Tolsky
nope, in the mag it says "composers: buck/mills/stipe."
i'm still getting used to the fact that bill isn't a part of the band
anymore...... for example, when i got the last fan club newsletter a couple
months ago, i was looking at the picture of the band on the back, and something
looked wrong with it. it took me a while to realize that it looked weird was
because bill wasn't in it......
i guess when the new album comes (about a year after his departure, right?),
it'll be easier to get used to buck/mills/stipe instead of
berry/buck/mills/stipe.
~jennie
Vedran Dracic
Michael Vail wrote in message ...
>
>Hi, everyone. I've been listening to R.E.M's new song Why not smile alot
>lately (thanks, Sadtomato :) ), and I'm just wondering if anyone else
>thinks the song sounds like it was written about Bill Berry and his
>leaving the band. I know it sounds like maybe kind of a stretch, but then
>again, there are those lyrics: "You've been sad for a while", etc. which
>sort of point to Bill, at least in my mind. Has anyone else thought this,
>or am I just reading too much into the song? And if it's not about Bill,
>what do think it is about? I'd like to know what you think. Thanks,
I haven't heard the song, I haven't read the lyrics, but R.E.M. members
writing songs about each other?! No.... I don't think so.
The closest that they came to that was in their cover of Wire's "Strange".
Remember: "Michael's ( - I guess Stipe, because Michael was not in original
lyrics - ) nervous and the lighst are bright".
Before that they had "Jefferson, I think we're lost" in "Little America",
but Jefferson was not the band's member.
MischaRP
"Vedran Dracic" <vdr...@foi.hr> writes:
>I haven't heard the song, I haven't read the lyrics, but R.E.M. members
>writing songs about each other?! No.... I don't think so.
>The closest that they came to that was in their cover of Wire's "Strange".
>Remember: "Michael's ( - I guess Stipe, because Michael was not in original
>lyrics - ) nervous and the lighst are bright".
>Before that they had "Jefferson, I think we're lost" in "Little America",
>but Jefferson was not the band's member.
>
>
I agree. In an interview (with Q, I think), just after berry's departure, Stipe
quite firmly denied that he would never write a song directly about Bill, or
anyone else. I'll try to track it down.
Mischa
dream wanderer
>I agree. In an interview (with Q, I think), just after berry's departure,
Stipe
>quite firmly denied that he would never write a song directly about Bill,
or
>anyone else. I'll try to track it down.>
Michael did say that..but he also said in the Atlanta Constitution Article
(and I think he said it again on MTV) that if he ever wrote a song about
Bill he would let Bill know first. So don't rule out the possiblility. He
didn't want Bill to hear it and think..'that's song's about me!"
I have an old interview with Peter...I believe it is a Melody Maker from
sometime in the mid-80's where Peter said he thought some of the earlier
songs were about him. I can't figure out which ones... but we all know how
Peter is in interviews and so to answer the original poster's question...who
knows? If you want it to be about Bill..then it can be about BIll.
MischaRP
>
>
>Michael did say that..but he also said in the Atlanta Constitution Article
>(and I think he said it again on MTV) that if he ever wrote a song about
>Bill he would let Bill know first. So don't rule out the possiblility. He
>didn't want Bill to hear it and think..'that's song's about me!"
>I have an old interview with Peter...I believe it is a Melody Maker from
>sometime in the mid-80's where Peter said he thought some of the earlier
>songs were about him. I can't figure out which ones... but we all know how
>Peter is in interviews and so to answer the original poster's question...who
>knows? If you want it to be about Bill..then it can be about BIll.
Wasn't Second Guessing allegedly meant to be about Peter and his love of
books, despite Stipe's denials? And I remember him saying now that he would
tell Bill first if he wrote a song about him,so I suppose it *is* possible. But
I think the lyrics suggest otherwise, verging, as someone said, towards the
suicide image. But I haven't heard the song yet, and that'd obviously help.
Mischa
JRReichman
>The closest that they came to that was in their cover of Wire's
>"Strange".
>Remember: "Michael's ( - I guess Stipe, because Michael was not in
>original
What about "Johnny Mike is reading in the yard" from Burning Down?
jeff
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AMYSA
>>>Wasn't Second Guessing allegedly meant to be about Peter and his love of
books<<<
michael also likes to tell people that "get up" is about mike mills...
:-)amy
Matthew Herper <mjherper@mit.
Yeah. Both "Get Up" and "Time After Time" are supposed to be about
Mills.
I seem to remember that the whole climbing on top of the watertower
thing is remembered by people who knew Mike Mills et. al in the
early days.
Matt.
dream wanderer
>> :-)amy
>>I seem to remember that the whole climbing on top of the watertower
>thing is remembered by people who knew Mike Mills et. al in the
>early days.
>
Didn't the water tower episode happen well after the song 'Time after Time
was written...about !986...????
AMYSA
>>>Yeah. Both "Get Up" and "Time After Time" are supposed to be about
thing is remembered by people who knew Mike Mills et. al in the
early days.<<<
i've always heard that time after time was a continuation of some of the
themes from camera and that the only way mike was connected was through the
water tower. meaning that michael referenced the water tower and the way that
people explained just WHICH tower he was talking about was by explaining that
it was the one that mike is so famous for having climbed sans clothing...:-) i
could be wrong though...it's not like i've broken out any of the rem
"bibles"...
:-)amy
AMYSA
>>>>>I seem to remember that the whole climbing on top of the watertower
>thing is remembered by people who knew Mike Mills et. al in the
>early days.
was written...about !986...????<<<<
you know, sharon...now that you mention it, i think you are right. i wasn't
even thinking of the time frame. still makes sense, i guess, that people would
connect the two...
:-)amy
Michael Vail
On 7 Jun 1998, MischaRP wrote:
> I agree. In an interview (with Q, I think), just after berry's departure, Stipe
> quite firmly denied that he would never write a song directly about Bill,
Michael Stipe didn't say he would never write a song about Bill, he just
said that if he did, he would make sure that Bill knew it was about him.
Stipe said (I'm paraphrasing here) that he didn't want the scenario of
Bill listening to the CD and then sort of realizing that the song was
about him. If he did write a song about Bill he wanted to make sure Bill
knew in advance.
Mike
Vedran Dracic
Matthew Herper <"remove-me> wrote in message
<6lejpv$m...@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU>...
>
>Yeah. Both "Get Up" and "Time After Time" are supposed to be about
> Mills.
To be inspired by member's, hmmm.... "adventures" is one thing. But to write
a song as a dedication to him is different thing and using the member's
names as well.
People write the songs inspired by their everyday lives and that's something
normal.
Henry
On 07 Jun 1998 16:37:55 GMT, jrrei...@aol.com (JRReichman) thought
that they'd share this with the world:
>>The closest that they came to that was in their cover of Wire's
>>"Strange".
>>Remember: "Michael's ( - I guess Stipe, because Michael was not in
>>original
Michael also used to change the words to ... 'Here lies Michael,
strangled by a love that wouldn't breathe' when they did 'Broken
whiskey glass' live.
Best 1s
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Chris [Steve] Piuma
In article <6le675$rq8$1...@supernews.com>, "dream wanderer"
<lwin...@visuallink.com> wrote:
> >> :-)amy
> >>I seem to remember that the whole climbing on top of the watertower
> >thing is remembered by people who knew Mike Mills et. al in the
> >early days.
> Didn't the water tower episode happen well after the song 'Time after Time
> was written...about !986...????
Oh, OK, from the R.E.M. Lyric Annotations FAQ:
Time After Time (Annelise)
From what I've heard, TAT is about a night Mike Mills had with these two
girls (one of which was alleged to be Mari, now Pete's wife) where they got
stoned, climbed up a water tower in Athens, partied, took some of their
clothes off, and ended up getting arrested. Whether that's true or not, I
honestly don't know... [omeg...@aol.com] * Actually, Mari is Bill's wife.
Peter is married to a Stephanie Dorgan, but was married to Barrie before,
which is either mentioned in ICFTS or Remarks by Tony Fletcher. maybe both
[0003...@bigred.unl.edu]
Time After Time (Annelise): "If your friends took a fall,
are you obligated to follow"
According to the anecdote, Mills et al. were arrested [i.e., "took a
fall"]. [rg...@cornell.edu] * It's basically a re-phrasing of that parental
classic, "If everyone jumped off a cliff, would you, too?"
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Which, as so much in the FAQ, is interesting, but not especially conclusive...
lymon
Wait, wait, wait! Peter is married to Bill Berry's ex-wife?! Did I
understand this correctly?
Chris [Steve] Piuma
In article <357F3F...@prodigy.net>, ly...@prodigy.net wrote:
> Wait, wait, wait! Peter is married to Bill Berry's ex-wife?! Did I
> understand this correctly?
No, read it a little more carefully -- Peter used to be married to Bill Berry.
(I had written, from the FAQ):
> * Actually, Mari is Bill's wife.
> > Peter is married to a Stephanie Dorgan, but was married to Barrie before,
> > which is either mentioned in ICFTS or Remarks by Tony Fletcher. maybe both
> > [0003...@bigred.unl.edu]
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Have you them all?
dream wanderer
The water tower episode happeded after "Time after Time' was written...it
may be the same water tower....but the Mike Mills cavorting around naked on
it happened later...this is from an interview with an Australian
newspaper..or magazine. When I have the time I will dig up the quote for
you. Michael said "Time after Time' was a retelling of the Anne Frank
Story..and Anne Frank's given name was Annelise. I really should bring my
R.E.M. reference library with me to work!!!! (but we all know how Michael is
in interviews...almost as bad as Peter!!!) When I can find those references
I'll pass them along..unless someone else out there knows them...
Sharon
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Chris [Steve] Piuma wrote in message ...
>In article <6le675$rq8$1...@supernews.com>, "dream wanderer"
><lwin...@visuallink.com> wrote:
>> >> :-)amy
>> >>I seem to remember that the whole climbing on top of the watertower
>> >thing is remembered by people who knew Mike Mills et. al in the
>> >early days.
>> Didn't the water tower episode happen well after the song 'Time after
Time
>> was written...about !986...????
>
>Oh, OK, from the R.E.M. Lyric Annotations FAQ:
>
>Time After Time (Annelise)
> From what I've heard, TAT is about a night Mike Mills had with these two
>girls (one of which was alleged to be Mari, now Pete's wife) where they got
>stoned, climbed up a water tower in Athens, partied, took some of their
>clothes off, and ended up getting arrested. Whether that's true or not, I
>honestly don't know... [omeg...@aol.com] * Actually, Mari is Bill's wife.
>Peter is married to a Stephanie Dorgan, but was married to Barrie before,
>which is either mentioned in ICFTS or Remarks by Tony Fletcher. maybe both
>[0003...@bigred.unl.edu]
>
>Time After Time (Annelise): "If your friends took a fall,
> are you obligated to follow"
> According to the anecdote, Mills et al. were arrested [i.e., "took a
>fall"]. [rg...@cornell.edu] * It's basically a re-phrasing of that parental
>classic, "If everyone jumped off a cliff, would you, too?"
>
>--
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dream wanderer
Never replied to my own post before....the Australian interview was a TV
interview and the reporter alluded to the said 'water tower ' rumours that
had been circulating for for three or four years (this was 1989) apparently
there were two water towers...'there was one right near my house that I
climbed at night...and there was one that I foolishly climbed in the
daytime...which I have to admit was a mistake. One should know better at my
age."...This wasn't as precise as I thought it was...I just got the
impression that the incident happened around 1986 or so...
From 'The Complete Guide to the Music of R.E.M."...which is not all that
reliable on some points...it says about 'Time after Time....'the water tower
referred to may be the same one where Mike Mills was arrested for cavorting
nude with a young lady' several years later."..
Even though this doesn't prove anything about the song it tells us something
interesting about Mike....cavorting nude with a young lady on a water tower
in the daytime....,<giggle.> I'm sorry...can't you see him beng
handcuffed..being read his
rights...fingerprinted..booked...LOL...sorry..just getting carried away
here with the images. .. :)
Sharon .
Chris [Steve] Piuma
In article <6lohtb$lpd$1...@usenet11.supernews.com>, "dream wanderer"
<lwin...@visuallink.com> wrote:
> Michael said "Time after Time' was a retelling of the Anne Frank
> Story..and Anne Frank's given name was Annelise. I really should bring my
> R.E.M. reference library with me to work!!!! (but we all know how Michael is
> in interviews...almost as bad as Peter!!!) When I can find those references
> I'll pass them along..unless someone else out there knows them...
Are you sure you're not thinking about Laughing? That's the one I've heard
mentioned in terms of Anne Frank... TAT seems kinda.. wildly inappropriate
if it's about Anne Frank.
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And here my troubles began. OK, that's a reference that's totally
irrelevant, except that I just reread art spiegelman's Maus, and it's so
wonderful and if you haven't read it yet, you really must.
Adam
>Are you sure you're not thinking about Laughing? That's the one I've heard
>mentioned in terms of Anne Frank... TAT seems kinda.. wildly inappropriate
>if it's about Anne Frank.
Wasn't it Harborcoat that Stipe described as a rewriting of 'The Diary
Of Anne Frank', though?
I know he's described Laughing as a rewrite of 'The Scarlet Letter'.
Of course, I think there's also a passage in ICFTS where he talks
about the song in terms of Nazi Germany as well, so who knows...
Adam
dream wanderer
I think you may be right about Haborcoat...but I do remember reading
somewhere that Anne Franks's given name was Annelise. How it would fit into
the song I don't know either....
Sharon
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>
Melora Foy
dream wanderer (lwin...@visuallink.com) wrote:
: Even though this doesn't prove anything about the song it tells us
: something interesting about Mike....cavorting nude with a young lady
: on a water tower in the daytime....,<giggle.>
Rumor has it that he was cavorting nude with *two* young ladies.
Anyone know if that's true?
Melora
Matthew Herper <mjherper@mit.
Melora Foy wrote:
>
> dream wanderer (lwin...@visuallink.com) wrote:
>
> Rumor has it that he was cavorting nude with *two* young ladies.
> Anyone know if that's true?
>
> Melora
No. But it's impressive.
Still, three's the charm. (Not three people involved -- three
young ladies in a state of undress.)
Matt.
Ron Henry
Sphinx-like, "dream wanderer" <lwin...@visuallink.com> riddled:
>The water tower episode happeded after "Time after Time' was written...it
>may be the same water tower....but the Mike Mills cavorting around naked on
>it happened later...this is from an interview with an Australian
>newspaper..or magazine. When I have the time I will dig up the quote for
>you. Michael said "Time after Time' was a retelling of the Anne Frank
>Story..and Anne Frank's given name was Annelise. I really should bring my
>R.E.M. reference library with me to work!!!!
Now, wait a minute... that was "Harborcoat" that Stipe described as being
about Anne Frank (and if you look at the lyrics, it makes sense), *not* "Time
After Time" (which makes no sense at all, given the lyrics). Maybe we should
all carefully consult our reference materials before continuing this thread
much more?
Ron "Suggestion is to myself as much as anyone else in here, lest anyone think
I am remotely trying to flame anyone here, which I am not" Henry
evisc...@geocities.com (or rg...@cornell.edu)
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AMYSA
>>>Rumor has it that he was cavorting nude with *two* young ladies.
Anyone know if that's true?
<<<<
should that rumour ever prove to be false, i don't want to hear about it. it's
just too great of a story!!!
amy
dream wanderer
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Ron Henry wrote in message <6m3c4e$k...@newsstand.cit.cornell.edu>...
>Sphinx-like, "dream wanderer" <lwin...@visuallink.com> riddled:
>
>>The water tower episode happeded after "Time after Time' was written...it
>>may be the same water tower....but the Mike Mills cavorting around naked
on
>>it happened later...this is from an interview with an Australian
>>newspaper..or magazine. When I have the time I will dig up the quote for
>>you. Michael said "Time after Time' was a retelling of the Anne Frank
>>Story..and Anne Frank's given name was Annelise. I really should bring my
>>R.E.M. reference library with me to work!!!!
>
>Now, wait a minute... that was "Harborcoat" that Stipe described as being
>about Anne Frank (and if you look at the lyrics, it makes sense), *not*
"Time
>After Time" (which makes no sense at all, given the lyrics). Maybe we
should
>all carefully consult our reference materials before continuing this thread
>much more?
>
>Ron "Suggestion is to myself as much as anyone else in here, lest anyone
think
>I am remotely trying to flame anyone here, which I am not" Henry
>
I had already corrected myself...but these threads sometimes get lost and
tossed about...I still stick to the fact that Anne Frank's given name was
Annelise though....
Sharon
Robert V. Bemis
> >> Now, wait a minute... that was "Harborcoat" that Stipe described as being
> >> about Anne Frank (and if you look at the lyrics, it makes sense)
> >
> >entirely upon "Can't go outside".
>
> Pretty disingenious dare, Chris.
>
> I would never maintain that "HarborCoat" is *about* Anne Frank (her given name
> was, according to annefrank.com, Anneliese Frank, to confirm Sharon's
> comments in another thread), just that the impressionistic imagery of the song
> revolves around the notion of political refugees and oppression in Europe.
You would have a hard time convincing me of this as well, considering the
opening lyric is "They crowded up to Lenin with their noses worn off" -
Anne Franke, as we all know, was a political/religious fugitive in Germany
during World War II. As we all know, Hitler was in power. Vladimir Lenin,
on the other hand, was the originator of Communism/Marxism in the Soviet
Union. You would have an easier time telling me this song was about the
beginning of Communism - the concept of country-sharing with giving their
noses to Lenin, with a handshake also being okay since you don't have to
produce in order to share under communism. I can't really explain all the
rest of the lyrics, but the song would seem to point more towards
communism then it does Anne Franke.
R.V.
Chuck Ungar
Actually, Mr. History, We don't all know that Anne Frank was a poitical
prisoner in Germany. She actually wrote her diary in Amsterdam, Holland.
Ron Henry
Sphinx-like, caf...@brainlink.com (Chris [Steve] Piuma) riddled:
>In article evisc...@geocities.com wrote:
>> I would never maintain that "HarborCoat" is *about* Anne Frank (her
>> given name was, according to annefrank.com, Anneliese Frank,
>>to confirm Sharon's comments in another thread), just that the
>>impressionistic imagery of the song revolves around the notion
>>of political refugees and oppression in Europe.
>
>Yes, of course it does, but Nazi-related images? They always sounded so
>much more Soviet to me... "Lenin" especially.
>
>That's why I'm challenging your claim that it "makes sense" to say it's
>about Anne Frank "if you look at the lyrics". (I'll grant you that it isn't
>"about" anything, but in as much as it's "about" anything, it isn't about
>Anne Frank. Capice?)
All right. Once more for the record.
I never said, or never intended to say, it was "about" the story of Anne
Frank's life. What I tried -- and apparently failed rather miserably -- to say
is: it makes more sense, to me, that Stipe put together _the words that make
up Harborcoat_, in all their vague and impressionistic glory, after reading
the Diary of Anne Frank, than that he put together the vague, and elliptically
personal and emotional, words of Time After Time, after having read TDoAF.
I do not think JMS was in any way, shape, or fashion trying to communicate the
specific historical facts of the story of Anne Frank's life and death, whether
they be Nazism, hiding in rooms, Judiasm, the Holocaust, or Germany, in either
song.
IMHO, the phonemes recorded in the official lyrics files as reading "Lenin"
may or may not be the name of the Soviet dicator. Certainly those same files
once read "..crowded up to*gether*..." And less the VI Lenin ref, there is
nothing to make the song specifically Soviet-related.
I do not yet know what to make of the subtitle "Annelise," given that it is
Anne Frank's full first name, as I have not yet had a chance to consult my
R.E.M. reference books for clarification. I suspect Stipe may just have liked
the name and affixed it to one if his then-current songs for that reason only.
Similar out-of-context usages include Laocoon, the Five ["Seven"] Chinese
Brothers, and Tristram.
I do, personally, think, from what I have gleaned of how Stipe tried to write
lyrics in the Murmur/Reckoning time period, that he had a general emotional
and imagistic sense of people as refugees from totalitarian persecution, and
that the words of Harborcoat -- which make little denotative sense when read
as text -- may be the end product of his ruminations on this general topic,
which ruminations may or may not have included a reading of the Anne Frank
Diary.
>> Stipe wasn't writing specific songs then, as you know. But it makes sense, to
>> me, that he might write a song like "Harborcoat" with its gloomy imagery of
>> refugees and emigrants and knives and greatcoats (hmm, Eisenstein's "The
>> Coat"?? now there's a tangent that might pan out!) after reading a book like
>> The Diary of Anne Frank.
>Eisenstein seem much more likely (although I haven't seen "The Coat").
I'd have to rent the video and look at it again. I saw about a random
half-hour of it recently on Bravo, which is why it was in my mind at all.
It's a grim story about a man who gets killed for his warm coat, I believe.
I'm thinking it might be based on something Dostoyevskyish, but I might be
making that part up.
Ron
Ron Henry
Sphinx-like, evisc...@geocities.com riddled:
>>Eisenstein seem much more likely (although I haven't seen "The Coat").
>I'd have to rent the video and look at it again. I saw about a random
>half-hour of it recently on Bravo, which is why it was in my mind at all.
>It's a grim story about a man who gets killed for his warm coat, I believe.
>I'm thinking it might be based on something Dostoyevskyish, but I might be
>making that part up.
Okay. After consulting IMDb, I see it's Kozintsev who directed it (in 1926),
not Eisenstein, and it's based on a Nicolai Gogol story, not Dostoyevski. But
I have no idea whether it has anything to do with "Harborcoat", so...
AMYSA
>>>Okay. After consulting IMDb, I see it's Kozintsev who directed it (in 1926),
not Eisenstein, and it's based on a Nicolai Gogol story, not Dostoyevski. But
I have no idea whether it has anything to do with "Harborcoat", so...<<<
well...this really has little to do with rem, anne frank or anything else, for
that matter...but, i'd just like to say, for no particular reason...that i
don't like eisenstein. his theory of montage is important in film...i'll give
him that. but, "the battleship potemkin" bugs the hell out of me.
amy
Robert V. Bemis
> Actually, Mr. History, We don't all know that Anne Frank was a poitical
> prisoner in Germany. She actually wrote her diary in Amsterdam, Holland.
Okay, so I'm a little rusty about where she wrote her diary, and wasn't
Mr. History some cheesey character on the old throw-away Nickelodeon show
"Welcome Freshmen"? That wasn't me. So BLAH! And anyway, that wasn't the
focal point, but thank you for correcting my misguidance.
R.V.
Herbert Badgery
Ron Henry wrote:
(re: Film called "The Coat")
> I'd have to rent the video and look at it again. I saw about a random
> half-hour of it recently on Bravo, which is why it was in my mind at all.
> It's a grim story about a man who gets killed for his warm coat, I believe.
> I'm thinking it might be based on something Dostoyevskyish, but I might be
> making that part up.
I think you may be referring to the movie based on Gogol's story "The
Overcoat." I haven't seen the movie, but IIRC, the story was meant to be
satirical and humorous (though Gogol's humor is always morbid).
HB