Q Magazine on Litt/Holt
smo...@ihateads.com
a couple of things.
1. They say that Suspicion "overlays the wom-wom-wom of a synth-bass with
a see-sawing guitar reminiscient of Nirvana's unplugged About A Boy."
Apparently, the writer confused Patti Smith's sad song about Kurt Cobain's
suicide, "About A Boy" with Nirvana's song, "About A Girl."
2. The writer also says "long-time producer Scott Litt (purged as part of
the pro-Jefferson Holt factions when the manager and ex-fifth member left
in 1996)..."
This is the first I've heard about this, not that R.E.M. would probably
discuss people taking sides in this very private band organization
conflict. But you would think that if it was open enough knowledge for a
reporter to find out who would blab it (as opposed to a trusted insider
who would never tell anyone), we would have read more about it.
Of course, Litt was around after Jefferson's departure to produce
NAIHF, so it's not totally accurate on its face. On the other hand, much
of NAIHF was already recorded on the Monster tour, so Litt had done a lot
of work on it by the time Jefferson left. So his producing that might not
really be a sign that he stuck by the band right after Jefferson was let
go.
Either way, I thought it was interesting that the writer would say
that. (The writer was Danny Eccleston.) Has anyone else heard/read
anything about this anywhere?
Rebecca
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kfj
>I was reading the old Q from last December. In the review of Up, I noticed
>a couple of things.
>2. The writer also says "long-time producer Scott Litt (purged as part of
>the pro-Jefferson Holt factions when the manager and ex-fifth member left
>in 1996)..."
hmm. factions implies more than one person was purged. Besides Jefferson and
Scott, has anyone else left the r.e.m. clan? (like the wu-tang clan, without
the record sales and the arrests and the solo albums. and the line of
clothing.) the office clan has stayed pretty stable, so i don't understand
the "factions" comment. in fact, the small inner circle type people are all
still there, except scott litt.
notably, there's a quote in the request article from '96 where peter says
after everything that occurred no one was comfortable with the word
"manager" anymore. he also said that r.e.m. didn't plant the sexual
harassment story, they could have said stuff far worse, he implied. all that
makes me infer that the conflicts involved were pretty deep. so maybe
factions did emerge. . .
otoh, as far as rough cut can be used as any kind of indication of how they
really are, litt seemed to interact a lot more with the band than with
jefferson or bertis. so i wonder why he would take sides with jefferson
over his closer relations with the band.
> Of course, Litt was around after Jefferson's departure to produce
>NAIHF, so it's not totally accurate on its face. On the other hand, much
>of NAIHF was already recorded on the Monster tour, so Litt had done a lot
>of work on it by the time Jefferson left. So his producing that might not
>really be a sign that he stuck by the band right after Jefferson was let
>go.
> Either way, I thought it was interesting that the writer would say
>that. (The writer was Danny Eccleston.) Has anyone else heard/read
>anything about this anywhere?
well, no. but i enjoy the speculation. unfortunately the whole jefferson
leaving thing always comes down to reading tea leaves - no one's talking and
it's doubtful they ever will. All we get is rumors and off hand comments.
-bergamot k
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DTram21
>Scott, has anyone else left the r.e.m. clan?
.....Bill, not that I'm implying anything, just answering your question.
Dave
Sadtomato
Holt....
There's a big well-known secret among journalists and writers -- they are all
IDIOTS. I have a more than a few toes in that field, so I'm not unfairly
slamming... someone said "writers are always selling someont out" -- oh, it was
Margaret Atwood, I think. They NEVER get their quotes or sources right, and if
you're a big fan of a band, you're going to notice that they didn't do their
damn homework.
When I called Ben Eshbach (a few years ago) of (locals) Sugarplastic for an
interview, he was actually surprised that I'd listened to his band's album. I
was really offended -- not that he thought that of me, it wasn't personal --
but that he'd had such bad experiences with journalists that he was actually
surprised that I was a bona-fide fan who was doing this story because I LOVED
his music and wanted to interest others in it. that was a sad day for me :(
* * * * * * * * *
Kristin (Deadly Nightshade)
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years ago.
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so I can write about it."
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Vedran Dracic
>a see-sawing guitar reminiscient of Nirvana's unplugged About A Boy."
>Apparently, the writer confused Patti Smith's sad song about Kurt Cobain's
>suicide, "About A Boy" with Nirvana's song, "About A Girl."
Hey all you guitar players!
What are the chords for "About A Girl" (E and G, I think) and for
"Suspicion". Are they the same?
Ron Henry
>>hmm. factions implies more than one person was purged. Besides Jefferson and
>>Scott, has anyone else left the r.e.m. clan?
>
>......Bill, not that I'm implying anything, just answering your question.
One does wonder if the ugly business with Holt was one of the things that
soured Bill Berry on "being a rock star".
Ron "Or, if 'one' doesn't wonder, *I* do, at least..." Henry
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kfj
>Sphinx-like, dtr...@aol.com (DTram21) riddled:
>
>>>hmm. factions implies more than one person was purged. Besides Jefferson
and
>>>Scott, has anyone else left the r.e.m. clan?
>>
>>......Bill, not that I'm implying anything, just answering your question.
>
>One does wonder if the ugly business with Holt was one of the things that
>soured Bill Berry on "being a rock star".
>
>Ron "Or, if 'one' doesn't wonder, *I* do, at least..." Henry
I wonder too. darn their integrity and adherence to binding legal
agreements - i do wonder why jefferson left. in the rs interview (and
request) peter ended up being the one giving the party line - and each time
he makes reference to morality and a distinct traumatic air.
it must suck to split with someone you spent 15 years with - however much
time r.e.m. spends each day indulging in some nostalgic binge of "remember
when," do they have to edit out jefferson?
Melora
kfj wrote in message ...
>Ron Henry wrote in message <78nauo$1...@newsstand.cit.cornell.edu>...
>>Sphinx-like, dtr...@aol.com (DTram21) riddled:
>>
>>>>hmm. factions implies more than one person was purged. Besides
>>>>Jefferson and Scott, has anyone else left the r.e.m. clan?
>>>
>>>......Bill, not that I'm implying anything, just answering your question.
>>
>>One does wonder if the ugly business with Holt was one of the things that
>>soured Bill Berry on "being a rock star".
>>
>>Ron "Or, if 'one' doesn't wonder, *I* do, at least..." Henry
>
>I wonder too. darn their integrity and adherence to binding legal
>agreements - i do wonder why jefferson left. in the rs interview (and
>request) peter ended up being the one giving the party line - and
>each time he makes reference to morality and a distinct traumatic air.
I've wondered too. Jefferson's departure coincided pretty closely with Bill
loss of enjoyment in the band. It may not have been a reason but I think it
must have been an important factor. What Peter let slip implied that the
rumored sexual harassment was not the primary reason. Some huge
betrayal is what I gleaned.
Melora
kfj
>
>kfj wrote in message ...
>>agreements - i do wonder why jefferson left. in the rs interview (and
>>request) peter ended up being the one giving the party line - and
>>each time he makes reference to morality and a distinct traumatic air.
>
>
>I've wondered too. Jefferson's departure coincided pretty closely with
Bill
>loss of enjoyment in the band. It may not have been a reason but I think
it
>must have been an important factor. What Peter let slip implied that the
>rumored sexual harassment was not the primary reason. Some huge
>betrayal is what I gleaned.
>
>Melora
Hmm. Tho Bill did do the interview with RS for NAIHF, and said he liked the
album.
OTOH, sexual harassment verging on abusive could definitely be a huge
betrayal - esp. given the political beliefs of the band. We've already
discussed the make-up of the office and the women who worked there and
stuff - but one imagines if harassment happened in 1995 and had a very
threatening air (as opposed to joking about a seinfeld episode) that would
be a shocking thing for the band.
i dunna know - it doesn't seem to have been the billy joel manager
roblem - r.e.m. certainly isn't acting as if their manager ran off with all
thier millions.
Cori244
>>Scott, has anyone else left the r.e.m. clan?
>
>.....Bill, not that I'm implying anything, just answering your question.
>
Didn't Brooke leave the office staff around that time to get married out of the
area... hmmm, and then there is Michele's death...
Greedo
But that is unplugged, so it could be different....
-dj
Chris Lawrence wrote:
> Vedran Dracic (vdr...@foi.hr) wrote:
>
> : smo...@ihateads.com wrote in message ...
> aag is Em G
> sus is G Gm
>
> so no, no they are not.
Greedo
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E and it's fifth -B.
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G--X--
D--2--
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E--0--
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>
Bob Lyerly
i reckon that mike was is good terms with jefferson, and since mike and
bill are really close, i think bill is probably on good terms with
jefferson too. something does seem fishy though. i bet it has to do
with money, and not sexual harrassment. it's always money.
Tim Farrow
harassment story. All it would take is a press release stating the truth to
kill that story. Sorry but sometimes people are bad.
Neil Brown
Tim Farrow wrote in message <36B9E86B...@earthlink.con>...
>If that was true why would the band allow the press to publish the sexual
>harassment story. All it would take is a press release stating the truth to
What are they going to do, threaten them?
>kill that story. Sorry but sometimes people are bad.
Except that they've said themselves that the terms of their 'divorce'
doesn't allow them to talk about, so a press release would be a bit blatant.
I suppose they could always leak the truth covertly, but why should they? As
long as there's a suspicion (arf!) that it might be about sex, the press
will always bring that up, because sex is more interesting than money.
>
Chris
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