Lead member of Christafari -
Mark "Tansoback" Mohr / tan...@aol.com wrote:
> when Has Christafari EVER attacked Selassie?
> So many people are accusing us of this I must know where it is
> coming from for it is the fursthest.
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Mikael Enoch / fita...@aol.com writes:
Christafari are complete liars !
I noticed the typo (fursthets) above that you offered to all,
and the reality of it all,
Furs - a pelt, a hide.
= thing from the truth.
The purposeful hunt of His Imperial Majesty's personage
and image as YOU toured with the Sunsplash Tour last year.
Now identified as Notch Mark's Book, was grabbed during the
tour because the other Rastafarian band members could not
take any more of the incessant and annoying preacher ATTACKS
on Haile Selassie, with a constant fervor to always put H.I.M.
Ethiopian/Abyssinian reign down.
Reports: a. This Newsgroup
b. Multiple ><Jamaican>< News Agencies
- which confirmed rastafari artist claims
c. InI personal witness of the (below) deception
You are nothing but hybrid name mutant deception - Christafari.
Your witnessed aim here on r.m.r. and through the confirming
reports, is to denegrate H.I.M., so that you can deny H.I.M.
Diety that you do not believe in. So, you dig up distortions
and lies of Selassie I's Ethiopian leadership.
Things to keep in mind:
1. Christafari, a Roman/Protestant based canonical reality.
2. Ethiopian scriptures rejected (prove me wrong Mark)
2. To highlight Ras Tafari's faith, but attack H.I.M. Tafari.
3. Name usage in order to slip in, as unto a Trojan Horse.
4. Southern historical religious racism, control, deceive.
5. Tafari image in name, denies divinity, then attacks H.I.M.
6. Impeaching lies concerning knowledge of the incidents.
7. Face saving denials of obsessed attacks on H.I.M. personage.
= Unity
Your unity is to associate then eradicate H.I.M. image.
A Trojan Horse, with a new face saving story, and a lying denial.
= Christ afari
Your half wit historical scriptural overstanding in the scheme of
things has made you as ignorant as you southern boys with southern
white history books are. Nothings changed.
Never considering who Jah is presently, versus the Son.
Waiting only for Jesus, yet never seeing the Lion watching
a world already in prophecy being fulfilled.
Now a questions for Christafari, the Roman Canonical/
Protestant Same Canonical scriptures:
TELL US ABOUT THE BOOKS OF ENOCH AND THE JUBILEES MARK !
And how silly you look now.
Roman canonical bastards Christafari!
Hopes that you catch her cup of wrath as you attack:
H.I.M. Enoch / Jubilees
ETHIOPIAN CHRISTIANITY
No Mark, you're the devil hunt, hunting Ethiopia, and H.I.M.
InI will make sure you know Enoch.
Michael, I did stick up for you in the r.m.r. survey (i.e. I don't
think you're crazy.) However, as a follower of Yeshua, I believe only
He is God's Son, so I guess I don't agree with you completely, but I do
recognize that you have been a great writer of truth on many topics.
(By the way, keep it up!)
I say here I do like C'fari's music (but I wouldn't mind if they
changed the name of the band to what they originally considered for a
name: Soulfire.) But when the ridiculous "Fitaurari crazy" survey went
out, I saw no criticism of Wayne/monikki/rasniki (what is his real
name?) from Mark. Wayne professes to be Christian, but his behavior
really disturbs me. (Like his writing in the name of the man called
Messian Dread.)
--
Murray E. Moore
Los Alamos, NM
--
Rastafari
in...@christafari.com wrote:
+ PS the reason for the lower case god is because i dont know who
+ it is.
...and in your "Christafari" wanderings to find who 'god' is,
the daggered vilify by the way of a notorious book exploit
during the Sunsplash Tour is the story remembered so clearly.
The book, with shrewdly constructed collected objections of
His Imperial Majesty, to then be danced and paraded across
the Rastafarian tour members eyes and dignity, as they moved
across the nation. A shrewdly contrived collogue attack,
as wolves in the fold, as a revelation upon all the whole world,
for the story itself was so great amongst the leading Jamaican
newspaper agencies, and then to have hit upon the internet.
False distinctions amongst men through propped music chart
ascensions, and with the preferential treatment that shows
itself as the the elevated hype it is, something we all are
witnessing over and over year after year, from case to case,
in an "Ace of (Race) Base" type worldwide plot.
With the righteous Rastafarian flock and others of supportive
persuasion who are suredly witnessing the Tennessee, South,
U.S.A., environment of a "Second Lady" of White House standings,
Tipper Gore, with the over reactionary attitude towards music
regulatory oppression, there is always the plausible occurance of
a network of covert musical oppressions. Christian Klan pulpit
country is the coincidental home of both, and with both come an
attack of Haile Selassie's image, Ras Tafari, the Ethiopian
Ark of the Covenant leadership of such devotion, the heroic
struggle of national survival, against the massive Caesar Roman
Empire Conquer, what odds against a truly peaceful and holy
people. Christafari to join in on the pouncing, the attack,
the dance, is making people take notice.
Fitaurari Mikael Enoch
Listen Mark Mohr, Hun-ie,
InI have been silent for quite a bit of time over your
band and its devisive and shrewd attacks of H.I.M.,
and your REAL agenda. But your attacks on InI
privately is getting out of hand, and now you have
decided that you prefer that the flame war resume.
So be it.
Fitaurari Mikael Enoch
This is Mark Mohr From Christafari. Buju never grabbed a book from me or
from any other member of Christafari. We were on the Sunsplash tour, and
I had with me in our personal luggage a short booklet that I had written
comparing Haile Selassie's life with the life of Jesus Christ. In the
writing I set out to show that Haile Selassie was a very godly man, but
was not God. This booklet was taken from our luggage without permission
by one of the stage hands and then given to an artist. This artist had so
many questions as to how to answer the scriptures that I had used that he
went to another artist (Sister Carol). Within 3 days everyone on the tour
had read my writing. As to Fiturauri's accusations, I nor any one else in
Christafari ever handed out anti H.I.M. material on this tour. Although
one of my writings was stolen from me, I by no means consider it anti
Selassie, for I use his own words, and life to prove my point. To truly
follow Selassie is to follow who he followed, and pray to whom he prayed
to.
We were never kicked off of the tour, although buju tried to stabb me
with his knife over my stance on Christ, I chose not to press charges. I
reasoned with all on the tour and at the end we all left in peace with a
greater understanding. If there is any doubt as to the truth to this
statement call and ask Sister Carol, Freddie McGregor, or even Buju.
We by no means are trying to seperate ourselves from all rastas saying
that we are right and they are wrong. We are not here to create an us and
them issue. If we dissagree, so be it. Inity over all else. Although we
may dissagre, we respect you in the greatest possible way.
One love.
I appreciate your question, and am glad to clear this up for you. I would
have stated this earlier, however all of the questions have come from
Fituruari, and I have chosen not to respond to him. In the future, if you
ever believe that he is asking a legitimate question and desire to know
the answer, please re-ask me personally, and I would be glad to answer.
Peace
Mark "Tansoback" Mohr
Iman seh the same as the I. Not for nothing Iman dwell in rmr and not in
a christianity group. Being a dreadlocks also in my heart Iman
appreciate the rastaman!
Let us indeed dwell in oneness, whether rasta christian messiand dread
ballhead. A rastaman follow Selassie because he think it is Yeshouah. We
do not differ on the question whether Yeshouah is Jah, and that his
second comming is as a Lion, indeed a Conquering Lion, we differ on our
view on the How, maybe the When!
Greetings fe all concious people
to the rest: wake up and live
Love and peace
Messian Dread
mdr...@dds.nl
tan...@aol.com (TansoB)
Mark Mohr of Christ-a-far-we wrote:
> In the writing I set out to show that Haile Selassie was
> a very godly man, but was not God.
Finally an admission -
The purpose was to denegrate,
to pull down,
to vilify H.I.M. image before the Rastafarians that you
shrewdly wolfingly toured with.
So, we see now that you do admit that you created
a book that was designed to attack H.I.M. image.
TO PULL IT DOWN !
> This booklet was taken from our luggage without
> permission by one of the stage hands and then given
> to an artist.
Your "luggage" was never mentioned in the 'Gleaner'
and 'Star' articles concerning that event.
Regardless of where it was located, "by any means
necessary" is the action that will be utilised by some
and certainly it was, to eradicate such a vile book
that you created and hatched, and then to have
paraded it around as you did.
> This artist had so many questions as to how to answer
> the scriptures that I had used that he went to another artist
> (Sister Carol). Within 3 days everyone on the tour had read
> my writing.
Oh yes indeed. Word travels quickly amongst the faithful
when there are wolves in the fold.
> As to Fiturauri's accusations, I nor any one else in
> Christafari ever handed out anti H.I.M. material on this tour.
InI have nevah used the word "handed out" nor implied that.
You are full of deceptions Mark. Your preaching that
entailed the ridicule of H.I.M. as a divine personage was
the reason for the theft of the material. It is reported that
you were using the book and showing it off, as you
maligned H.I.M. Wayne has already confirmed the fact
that you were the designer of said book.
> Although one of my writings was stolen from me, I by no
> means consider it anti Selassie, for I use his own words,
> and life to prove my point.
Satan also uses the Holy scriptures to twist their meaning
to suit the intended attack. It is anti-Selassie I, for that is
the reason that it was stolen. Your ceaseless and
annoying preaching was only the pretext of the
"thief in the night" grab. It was also reported that you
"pleaded for its return". Quite amusing Mark.
> To truly follow Selassie is to follow who he followed, and
> pray to whom he prayed to.
Wrong !
To truly follow Selassie I, which is the veneration of that
spirit and personage - is not to pull H.I.M. down.
Your band's name is a fraud - a wolf deception.
We (The Rastafarians) have got you figured out !
> We were never kicked off of the tour,
Contractual agreements are usually binding, so
therefore this proves nothing.
> although buju tried to stabb me with his knife over
> my stance on Christ, I chose not to press charges.
InI have yet to hear this now un-proven allegation of yours.
Taking into account all of your previous deceptions
including the COMPLETE denial of the TBN incident
along with the previous denial (not aware of that incident)
that a book was taken on the Sunsplash Tour -
you are not to be trusted and will always be labelled as
such.
Let me say this: If it is in fact true that Buju pulled a knife
on you. THERE MUST HAVE BEEN A REASON FOR
THIS. SOMETHING MAJOR WAS GOING WRONG IN
YOUR ACTIONS ON THE TOUR.
InI know enough of Buju's personal life and runnin's
to state emphatically that you again are full of shit !
> I reasoned with all on the tour and at the end we all
> left in peace with a greater understanding.
InI and others greatly OVERstand what went down
on the tour. Your peace is a shrouded deception,
to manifest itself again and again and again, just
as you attacked H.I.M. and RASTAFARIANS on
the TBN.
> If there is any doubt as to the truth to this statement
> call and ask Sister Carol, Freddie McGregor, or even Buju.
Don't worry, InI will consult wid at
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that Haile Selassie ever granted)
Question by Bill Mc Neil: "there are millions of Christians throughout the
world, your Imperial Majesty, who regard you as the reincarnation of Jesus
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Selassie's answer: "I had heard of that idea. I also met certain
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M.E. Moore wrote:
Wayne professes to be Christian, but his behavior
> really disturbs me. (Like his writing in the name of the man called
> Messian Dread.)
Do you feel disturbed by Iman writings? Tell me. But Iman af fe seh:
Iman is not Wayne seen. Iman is Messian Dread. Someone used some fake
posts time ago using my name, I don't know whether this is Wayne or not
and Iman don't care. But you see him gwaan. He did some great misthings
sight. What do you find disturbing in Iman writings? Iman think you
agree with a lot of dem things Iman writes.
Iman Messian Dread seen.
"Every one that believeth in the Son of Man and wear de dread is a
Messian Dread".
But is true someone use my name and write stupid things.
But Iman is not an alter-ego of Wayne!
Iman is Messian Dread, aka Jetze van der Meulen
Greetings peace and lover from the man called Messian Dread
well geez mark, your point is that he isn't god. don't you think that
just might offend the rastafarians that do believe that. if i went
around proclaiming jesus wasn't god, that might offend some of you
born-again christians.
saying haile selassie isn't god to a rastafarian that believes he is,
*is* villifying h.i.m., plain and simple.
forward......kevin
my wife is christian and me and her discuss that on a daily basis.
Forward iman
ras richard i
P.S. I go that from a Gideon's New Testament...
In Yeshua...Murray
Messian Dread wrote:
>
> Do you feel disturbed by Iman writings? Tell me. But Iman af fe seh:
> Iman is not Wayne seen. Iman is Messian Dread. Someone used some fake
> posts time ago using my name, I don't know whether this is Wayne or not
> and Iman don't care.
> But Iman is not an alter-ego of Wayne!
> Iman is Messian Dread, aka Jetze van der Meulen
>
> Greetings peace and lover from the man called Messian Dread
--
M.E. Moore
Los Alamos, NM
yuh tink GOD gwan tell de world where Him at?!?!?! Him still got prophesy
ta fufil!!!
OUT BABYLON, SELASSIE I IS GOD ALMIGHTY!!!!
One is only affended if they doubt their own beliefs. If one hollars out
all day long that the world is flat, I would not fret for I know beyond a
shadow of a doubt that it is round. We must learn to stand strong in our
convictions and not be offended or vexed by anothers. If I dissagree with
another I do not take it personally, rather I am drawn to pray for them.
If you beleive that I am wrong, I challenge you to pray for me.
Mark Mohr
i hate to continue this, but i cannot just let this pass. one thing
that bothers me about some (not all) born-agains (ba's??), other than
the proselytizing, is the damn smug attitude.
you are telling me that because you don't doubt your beliefs, and are
strong in your convictions, you aren't offended if someone were to
stomp all over those beliefs. that is ridiculous. so, according to
you, all the rastafarians that have bristled at your writings, etc, are
weak in their beliefs? isn't this accusation offensive in itself?
mark, i have nothing against you personally, and i believe every person
has the right to believe what they believe. but your closed minded
attitude toward peoples freedom to believe what they want is
frustrating. saying, "i do not believe selassie is god", is one thing,
and it probably wouldn't offend most people because that belief is your
right. but saying "selassie is not god", is very different, and
offensive. each person is unique, and the system of beliefs formed by
each individual is also therefore unique. No man/woman can tell another
man/woman what they should believe, because that unique information is
found within each and every one of us.
Instead of learning not to be offended or vexed, perhaps you should also
learn not to offend or vex..
rmr massive....i apologize for the continuation of this thread....
forward .......kevin
>Well, I've got to say that my wife had purchase me a cd of Christafari for Christmas. To be honest, I didn't the cd is that great! For the big deal you are making about your band, I think you guys do SUCK! Also I would like to add that since you're saying , quote,"In the writing I set out to show that Haile Selassie was a very godly man, but was not God."
But yet in your songs you ARE worshipping him as GOD. I think that you
are just a bloody hypocrite judging the Rastafarian life and religion
yet you trying to be like them by growing dreads, writing songs using
the name of JAH RASTAFARI in and to top it of sing with a fake Jamaican
accent! Give me a **cking break! If you want to do something creative,
for god sake, don't rip of another culture and then critisize them
later.
And another thing, the rest of you people who keep on replying to this,
let it die!!! These guys are NOT worth getting an high blood pressure
from! This thread is taking all the fun of coming to this newsgroup to
visit my I-dren.
Kevin wrote:
i hate to continue this, but i cannot just let this pass. one thing
that bothers me about some (not all) born-agains (ba's??), other than
the proselytizing, is the damn smug attitude.
Mark Wrote:
I also do not enjoy this thread and wish that we could get back to reggae
music. Has this reasoning lowered itself to the level of name calling. I
have dissed no one, yet you criticize myself and Christians.
Kevin wrote:
you are telling me that because you don't doubt your beliefs, and are
strong in your convictions, you aren't offended if someone were to
stomp all over those beliefs.
Mark wrote:
According to the scriptures we are not to get offended or mad when we face
presecution or someone disrespects our beliefs. For even Bob Marley
quoted Eph 6 when he wrote "I and I nah come fe fight gainst flesh and
blood but spiritual wickedness in high and low places." The battle is not
a man to man fight so it should never turn into one. It is a spiritual
battle. The Bible shows us that we are not to take others opinions
personally. If someone disses me and Christ, I have no fight against them
as an individual. They are going to have to deal with Christ on their
position. I entrust him to deal with the case.
Kevin wrote:
that is ridiculous. so, according to
you, all the rastafarians that have bristled at your writings, etc, are
weak in their beliefs? isn't this accusation offensive in itself?
Mark Wrote:
You have come to your own conclusions. If a Morman or Jehovah's witness
comes to my front door I either invite them in to reason respectfully or
simply say "sorry I am not interested". I choose not to get vexed, argue
or call names, for those are not the fruits of the Spirit.
Kevin Wrote:
mark, i have nothing against you personally,
Mark Wrote:
Nor do I. One love.
Kevin wrote:
and i believe every person
has the right to believe what they believe.
Mark Wrote:
Very true. If you believe this than why are you criticizing my God given
rights and my approach. I have not instigated, but only responded.
Kevin wrote:
but your closed minded
attitude toward peoples freedom to believe what they want is
frustrating. saying, "i do not believe selassie is god", is one thing,
and it probably wouldn't offend most people because that belief is your
right. but saying "selassie is not god", is very different, and
offensive.
Mark wrote:
I am sorry for my approach, but I believe that it is the same approach
that Sellasie used in the interviews that I have on tape. To say that
"Selassie is not god" is equally as offensive to the rastas as saying
that "Selassie is God" is to all other world religions. In your logic the
best way to play it safe is to never state who you believe is and is not
God. Yet Selassie teaches the opposite.
Kevin wrote:
each person is unique, and the system of beliefs formed by
each individual is also therefore unique.
Mark Wrote:
I could not agree with you more.
Kevin wrote:
No man/woman can tell another
man/woman what they should believe, because that unique information is
found within each and every one of us.
Mark wrote:
No man/woman can tell another
man/woman what they should believe, but one can share their own as a good
witness. Virtually everyone in the world came to their present beleif
system through the teaching, discipling or encouraging of another.
Kevin Wrote:
Instead of learning not to be offended or vexed, perhaps you should also
learn not to offend or vex..
Mark Wrote:
I will try not to personally offend, but I do not know if it is completely
possible, for Christ is a stumbleing block to all. He is an offense to
those who do not praise Him. Yet the stone that the builders refuse shall
be the head cornerstone,
Kevin:
rmr massive....i apologize for the continuation of this thread....
Mark Wrote:
I to apologize for the continuation of this thread, let us move back to
discussing reggae music....
One love
Mark "Tansoback" Mohr
>rmr massive....i apologize for the continuation of this thread....
Thanks, Kevin.
But I'm afraid these threads will never end, will they?
I'm usually not one to discourage a good, healthy debate, but c'mon
already! Enough is enough....
Let's put the Reggae back in rmr, y'all!
One Love.
Doesn't this show that it is possible to have a good contact?
Messian Dread
> >Well, I've got to say that my wife had purchase me a cd of Christafari for Christmas.
Christmas? Do you celebrate that heathen festival?
I think that you
> are just a bloody hypocrite judging the Rastafarian life and religion
> yet you trying to be like them by growing dreads, writing songs using
> the name of JAH RASTAFARI in and to top it of sing with a fake Jamaican
> accent!
Samson followed the reule of numbers 6, yousee the nazarite is obliged
to grow hisa natty dreadlock as a sign of commitment to Jah!
Ask you: Did samson trie to look like a rastaman?
What is the name of Jah Rastafari?
Jah is short for JahWeh. We should all be going Jah Way!
Messian Dread
mdr...@dds.nl
Yes I. Each man his own , and woman also. My children will know a
little more about life than my wife does i assure you.
peace and blessings
ras richard i
I can think of two things that might have made a rational man tear after
somebody with a knife. Either something bad was said about his mother or
someone disrespected his religion.
Robert
If I sometimes disagree, I hope to not be disrespectful....
--
M.E. Moore
...from the mountains of New Mexico...
But on the other hand it still is true that Yeshouah say love thy
enemie. That is also what the Rastaman should do just like the
christian. Seen. Iman would not do it sight. Only if they rape my woman
or kill her daughter. But if somebody attack my faith in Jah Jah it mek
me strong sight. Cause Iman know it is not a war of flesh and blood burt
against spiritual wickedness inna high and low places
Messian Dread
Please make sure you will always be one towards your children. This is
so important. I try telling my woman's daughter a lot about babylon as
well seen. But my woman support that to the fullness. Never make your
children pions in a game of chess, please!
Messian Dread mdr...@dds.nl
Antwoord geen reply, maar graag richten aan:
jano...@fris.nl
Met vriendelijke groeten,
Jan van der meulen