What reggae artist(s) bring in most concert$$$
roo...@my-deja.com
in the gross amounts earned. Which makes me wonder, who are the top
billings -- earnings wise in reggae?
Would it be safe to say in order to make it in reggae, you either have
to be dead or related to Marley?
Why is their such a small turnover in new reggae artists making very
good music?
Just some questions that made me say hmmmm.
1love
rootsyd
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Rhythmwize
>
>Checking the pollstar concert ratings, reggae artist barely put a dent
>in the gross amounts earned. Which makes me wonder, who are the top
>billings -- earnings wise in reggae?
other than the marleys, i would say,
steel pulse, third world and maxi priest.
let d good times roll,
john
reggae...@my-deja.com
This is a very important topic to discuss as many legendary Reggae
artists are living in poor conditions and dying just about penniless.
My guess is that Ziggy Marley & Crew would generate the most receipts
due to high volume of shows and name recognition. They did over 70 shows
covering the continental US, Hawaii, & Alaska last Summer and I am sure
will be back on the road in Spring 2000. I don't know the exact figures
but it has been documented that the group can get $15K - $30K per show.
Although this depends on the venue, market, headline/opener, etc. Most
major pop stars get $200K guranteed + merchandise, etc.
I am sure there are "foreign" artists like Alpha Blondy, Luke Dube,
Negro Cuidad (Brazil?), Pier Pol Jak (France), that may sell well in
their regions and command high fees.
Other contenders:
Burning Spear
Maxi Priest
Beenie Man
Shaggy
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roo...@my-deja.com wrote:
> Checking the pollstar concert ratings, reggae artist barely put a dent
> in the gross amounts earned. Which makes me wonder, who are the top
> billings -- earnings wise in reggae?
>
diva...@my-deja.com
reggae...@my-deja.com wrote:
>
>
> This is a very important topic to discuss as many legendary Reggae
> artists are living in poor conditions and dying just about penniless.
>
> My guess is that Ziggy Marley & Crew would generate the most receipts
> due to high volume of shows and name recognition. They did over 70
shows
> covering the continental US, Hawaii, & Alaska last Summer and I am
sure
> will be back on the road in Spring 2000. I don't know the exact
figures
> but it has been documented that the group can get $15K - $30K per
show.
> Although this depends on the venue, market, headline/opener, etc.
Most
> major pop stars get $200K guranteed + merchandise, etc.
>
> I am sure there are "foreign" artists like Alpha Blondy, Luke Dube,
> Negro Cuidad (Brazil?), Pier Pol Jak (France), that may sell well in
> their regions and command high fees.
>
> Other contenders:
>
> Burning Spear
> Maxi Priest
> Beenie Man
> Shaggy
>
Bjahn1
other than the marleys, i would say,
steel pulse, third world and maxi priest.
>>
Maybe that was true a few years back but I doubt it today....none of them has
past through here (NYC)in a while.
Plus the last CDs were weak besides , IMO.....My guess would be Ziggy and
Spear....
BJ
Rhythmwize
says...
They past thru california all the time...
so much so, that i'm tired of seeing them.
steel pulse, third world and maxi priest have appeared
numerous times and in recent years on the Spirit of Unity Tour,
Reggae on the River,and the Bob Marley Festival in long beach.
Those are the biggest reggae concerts and tours in the USA.
Whether or not their cd's or music is weak, in your view or
my view, has nothing to do with their box office appeal.
run d bass,
john
cudjoe
Recently, when Buju Banton & Beres Hammond mashed up New Haven, advanced
tickets were $25. I heard the package went for bout $20,000. Tickets for
Joseph Hill & Crew (Culture) are generally more reasonable and were bout
$12.50 or so.
mIkEy
http://iriejam.com
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reggae...@my-deja.com
Note that I quoted documented fee range ($15K-$30K) for Ziggy & Crew
only, not all Reggae artists. The $200K is for major pop artists.
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WhalersCT
**he has given it up now due to the artists over-pricing themselves.
**for examples> Bounty Killer/Beenie Man $10-$15000
**Baby Cham $12,000; Spargga Benz $10,000; Zebra WAS $8000!!!
**Sanchez $12,000; Beres & Buju was $15,000 PLUS 20 Hotel rooms.
**Bottom Line they all charge WAY too much.
**and when they go on stage; a lot of them dissapoint.
**more reason to start really crying for reggae's future.
-trevor
Robert Schoenfeld
Clearly the willingness of some promoters to throw money at a handful
of artists gives those acts encouragement to overcharge. I wouldn't
worry too much, though...the ones that disappoint probably won't be
much a part of reggae's future.
Joe Z. Wails
above Spear & Toots at least as far as $$ he can ask for (& presumably
get)...also Jimmy Cliff still can pack 'em in and should be ranked with
these other worthies...
Joshua B wrote:
> On Thu, 06 Jan 2000 15:38:48 GMT, roo...@my-deja.com wrotd:
>
> >Checking the pollstar concert ratings, reggae artist barely put a dent
> >in the gross amounts earned. Which makes me wonder, who are the top
> >billings -- earnings wise in reggae?
>
> For acts that make the most money every year, my guesses are--in no
> particular order--Ziggy Marley, Burning Spear, and Toots. For one off
> shows, probably Beenie Man and Bounty Killer.
>
> >Would it be safe to say in order to make it in reggae, you either have
> >to be dead or related to Marley?
>
> It sure helps!
>
I heard a reggae promoter complain that "nobody's really making a good
living from reggae music these days whose last name isn't Marley!"
Joe Z
Akee123
establshed JA artists annual income which comes from concerts, as opposed to
album sales?
Cool Vibes,
Akee123
drea...@my-deja.com
Joe Z. Wails
Still, HB's own Burning Spear does much more touring and likely brings in more
cumulative $$$ than Bunny from his musical travels.
Joe Z
Joshua B wrote:
> OK, but you must be judging on a per show basis with Bunny Wailer. He
> rarely does more than a handful of dates each year, right?
Olli Loikala
>other than the marleys, i would say,
>steel pulse, third world and maxi priest.
>
But when Third World had a concert in Finland last October, it was a flop.
Only few people came to the show. (Can´t blame those who didn´t come,
because the show was not so good, but the ticket was very expensive).
Finally they cancelled their European Tour, because of the lack of crowd.
I think it would be the same with Steel Pulse and Maxi Priest. Although they
are big names, they are not gathering big crowds, at least not here in
Finland. I rather go to see "smaller names" with cheap admissions and better
music than the so called "big, international names".
Olli
reggae...@my-deja.com
I would say the annual income would be skewed to concerts, on average,
than album sales. My guess 95% from concerts vs 5% (generous) from
album sales.
Reggae sales from new releases is a pittance vs catalog sales. How many
people on this forum are ever happy with new releases? Most Reggae
music buyers tend to be inclined to support JAD, Trojan, Studio One,
etc. and , in general, old school Reggae.
By the way, you only need to sell 2000 units in Jamaica to get to #1 on
the charts...and there is a huge payola scheme going on both at the
record stores and radio to push certain songs.
"I watch the reaction of the people, not the charts...the whole system
corrupt" Ziggy Marley
Peace
roo...@my-deja.com
But can anyone believe that UB40 is the top grossing reggae act in
concert? More than Spear, Isreal Vibes, Culture, Shaggy, and Buju put
together. Because of their x-over appeal to a wider audience. Their
reggae is not classified as "island" music. You see RMRs while in every
city and town that you and I live in, there are reputable and promising
"local" reggae acts, they can never get their feet off that stigma
because, reggae music seems to not have the backing, promotional or
marketing wise to maintain a steady flow of economics into it as say hip
hop does. A style of music that turns over a new artist every 10
minutes, whose sales and concerts generate in millions (before promo and
record advances are paid) but the returns are good, plenty of media
exposure, sports, fashion, movies, sitcoms, commercials yadda yadda,
hip hop regardless of how much it sucks is generating $$$$.
Reggae has the potential to grasp the same kind of audience, but without
media exposure, and this constant behind the wall approach to advancing
new artists and the vets for that matter, reggae will continue to be
stagnant in reaching massive listeners who are eager to hear something
new. The commercial appeal that Marley has received also sort of does a
disservice to the new cats coming because everybody want them to be
"like" Marley, and it ain't gonna happen no more. We have to get off
Marley's excuse my expression "dick" yes, he brought the music high,
but he wasn't the only one a true? If we don't begin to organize more
video and media outlets for reggae, this will be the only place we'll be
able to see and hear it, on a forum or chat room. The 21st century must
see an all reggae music video channel pon tv (not just the internet).
Reggae record companies got to stop being cheap and produce more videos,
reputable tours and a visible medium for all eyes 2 see.
1 Love All REGGAE MASSIVE
rootsyd
ashanti
and thing because Americans can't understand the
patois. Most reggae is spiritual music, and most Americans
don't want to hear it.
Americans want Battyny Spuge and Spuge Girls andd crap like that.
They want watered down, feel good crap like Shaggy, Maxi Priest,
and Steel Pulse.
Give I Sizzla, Capleton, Norrisman, Bushman, and all the man
who come to burn down Rome.
roo...@my-deja.com
ash...@ashanti.fiyabun.com (ashanti) wrote:
Reggae will never be successful like hip-hop
> and thing because Americans can't understand the
> patois. Most reggae is spiritual music, and most Americans
> don't want to hear it.
>
rootsyd wrote - I guess you have a point, if the reggae/dancehall
isn't hoochie oriented, the exposure of it is going to be extremely
minimal.
> Americans want Battyny Spuge and Spuge Girls andd crap like that.
> They want watered down, feel good crap like Shaggy, Maxi Priest,
> and Steel Pulse.
>
rootsyd wrote - Who have made strides in their careers, but we all
know there's much more to the pie than the sugar.
> Give I Sizzla, Capleton, Norrisman, Bushman, and all the man
> who come to burn down Rome.
>
rootsyd wrote - Fe true but their record companies need to stop being
so cheap and produce videos for them anyway.
rootsyd
Juha A. Kurkela
>
> Most reggae is spiritual music,...
I wouldn't say so. I don't know if one can ever compare
or measure, but in my opinion reggae is more entertaining
than spiritual. It's more about Girls than about Jah, more
about having fun and dancing than about having misery
and praying... :-)
> Americans want Battyny Spuge and Spuge Girls andd crap like that.
> They want watered down, feel good crap like Shaggy, Maxi Priest,
> and Steel Pulse.
If so, they are not the only ones. It's same for example
in Jamaica: Shaggy and Maxi Priest are very popular artists
there - especially among women. And by the way, right now
Elise Kelly is playing a Maxi Priest tune on IRIE FM...
Big Up Shaggy and Maxi Priest (and why not Steel Pulse, too,
although I have no idea what kind of music they are doing
nowadays - at least in the 70s the band was good)!
Later,
Juha K.
Olli Loikala
Juha A. Kurkela kirjoitti viestissä <387CBB3F...@vtt.fi>...
>ashanti wrote:
>>
>> Most reggae is spiritual music,...
>
>I wouldn't say so. I don't know if one can ever compare
>or measure, but in my opinion reggae is more entertaining
>than spiritual. It's more about Girls than about Jah, more
>about having fun and dancing than about having misery
>and praying... :-)
I think that´s the great thing with reggae. Lyrics cover almost all the
areas of life. Even the same artists may sing one song about God or
suffering of the poor people, and then another song about hot girls and
having fun. I personally like roots music (as you well know, Juha). But I
also like ragga / dancehall music and even some lovers stuff. One day, I am
in the mood for rootical music, but then again sometimes I feel like
listening to some ragga with not-so conscious lyrics. I think that reggae is
suitable for all the moods and all the situations of life!
Respect,
Olli
Juha A. Kurkela
>
> Juha A. Kurkela kirjoitti viestissä <387CBB3F...@vtt.fi>...
> >ashanti wrote:
> >>
> >> Most reggae is spiritual music,...
> >
> >I wouldn't say so. I don't know if one can ever compare
> >or measure, but in my opinion reggae is more entertaining
> >than spiritual. It's more about Girls than about Jah, more
> >about having fun and dancing than about having misery
> >and praying... :-)
>
> I think that´s the great thing with reggae. Lyrics cover almost all the
> areas of life. Even the same artists may sing one song about God or
> suffering of the poor people, and then another song about hot girls and
> having fun.
I agree 100%.
> I personally like roots music (as you well know, Juha). But I
> also like ragga / dancehall music and even some lovers stuff. One day, I am
> in the mood for rootical music, but then again sometimes I feel like
> listening to some ragga with not-so conscious lyrics. I think that reggae is
> suitable for all the moods and all the situations of life!
Well said! OK, I like all kind of reggae, I must say,
not forgetting soca, zouk, classical music, pop, rock,
some weird modern jazz, etc., but I definitely prefer
today's ragga/dancehall to the others. One topic, which
I don't care much, in reggae, is Jah and other spiritual
stuff, but then again whenever I hear, for example,
the first lines of Anthony B's Raid Di Barn: "Emperor
Selassie, Jah Jah is the only way!", I always become
very excited - that tune has actually much stronger
sociopolitical flavour than spiritual, and I find that
side of reggae (= sociopolitical) most important.
Listening to at this very moment: Bounty 'Poor People's
Pri Minista' Killer's "Look". Check out "Look" for
one of the strongest socio-political messages in reggae
at the moment! Again , Big Up Killa and Dave Kelly!
Respect,
Juha K.
ashanti
To me the spiritual and praise lyrics always
get me going.
I especially like Bob Marley's last words
on 'Pimper Paradise.'
"Soon their very heads will bow."
I also like Garnett Silks lyrics on
'Kingly Character,'
Those words are what I envision an angel singing
upon the Lord's second coming.
'Behold, Behold. The King of All Kings.'
Oh gosh. See!(is it just me or is this a signature Dennis Brown line.)
hehehehe.
roo...@my-deja.com
essence of what it is. Peter Tosh said, "this is the music of the first
and last century and after this music there shall be no more music"
when they say, The Lord Jah gave his gifts to the singers & players of
instruments, "all of my springs dwell in thee" it is indicative that
this music is the King's music, respective to "holy" music that has some
praisworthiness to it. If we are dealing with the roots of reggae, the
spritiual and socio-political values of the music are higher and
stronger than any other out there. The girly themes, money themes and
respective love themes are mere branches, withering on the tree, rooted
foundationally by spiritual and social themes, giving reggae an
extraordinary catalog over r&b, hip-hop, gospel and whatever else
combined. The root of of this thread was about better propelling the
message, promoting it and reggae receiving a wider audience than what it
currently stands. Anytime UB40 is the top selling concert performers of
reggae, there is seriously something wrong. If we don't stop and really
listen to what the artists are telling us, then we're just consumers,
waiting for the judgment day.
ites
rootsyd
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