Internet and 666
LaDunk
fita...@aol.com wrote:
<<...You have wholeheartedly supported voodoo, are an ex-member of a
voodoo band yourself, and have countless times extolled occultic
activities and it's promotion...You as a complete schmuck have publicly
seperated yourself from the faith of your ancestors, and have fully
embraced the pharoah led insanity religion of the DEAD - The same insanity
where your own ancestors slaved away in building the monstrosities called
the pyramids (tombs - all for the DEAD)....the same un-godly / pagan
embrace that caused Jah to strike
down and punish those who had fled in the Exodus (entirely
scriptural)....You have countless times tried to ridicule Jamaican and
African artists, to then somehow elevate your own white carbon copy
nothing of a band>>
I am completely baffled by Mr. Enoch's comments and must take exception.
Fitaurari, from a place of love I must say this... To correct your
ignorance (ignorance meaning not knowing -- I'm not insulting you
personally) about Afrikan culture, history and religion.
1. Your euphemism for Egyptian (actually called Khemet/and hence African)
spirituality, calling it "voodoo" is an insult. African spirituality is a
world religion that has been around for millenia... it is a monotheistic
religion from which Judaism, Christianity (and hende Rastafari), and Islam
has sprung. You're basically quibbling over apples and oranges. Rastas
say JAH (from the European pronunciation Jehovah ... which is Yahweh --
the Judaic name for God).... Khemitics/Egyptian say Amen-ra. Some West
African cultures call the Most High Olodumare.
2. The pyramids are one of greatest architectural wonders of the world --
the foundation of world culture. Your deep-seated emotionality about
something you know nothing about only shows your confusion about history,
philosophy, religion.
With regard to so-called "voodoo", What do you think the Old Testament is
chocked full of if not an integral part of what most mis-quote about
"voodoo" = ancestral reverence... offerings of animals, etc. to God,
building shrines, remembering their patriarchs. These Old
Testament/"Jewish" practices are from ancient Africa and what the world
now calls "voodoo"
3. Literal interpretations of the Bible are a scary thing. The Bible,
first of all, is an ESOTERIC text -- which means a higher level of
consciousness needs to be utilized to gain overstanding, seen?
4. Knowledge is not dangerous, ignorance is. Ignorance creates
misunderstanding, war, famine, genocide. Knowledge is power. It is time
for us (particularly Afrikans throughout the Diaspora) to know the TRUTH,
which was hidden for far too long.
I suggest you go to the library and read books (particularly written by
Africans) about the truth. I also suggest you talk to African people
about their culture (which is rich and diverse) before you start trying to
interpret it.
If you like, I can suggest some material for you to read.
Peace, Blessings and Rastafari Love.
Fitaurari
lad...@aol.com (LaDunk) wrote:
> I am completely baffled by Mr. Enoch's comments and must take exception.
> Fitaurari, from a place of love I must say this... To correct your
> ignorance (ignorance meaning not knowing -- I'm not insulting you
> personally) about Afrikan culture, history and religion.
> 1. Your euphemism for Egyptian (actually called Khemet/and hence
> African) spirituality, calling it "voodoo" is an insult.
The insult is when you have alleged something that InI have not
done. Nowhere in my rebuttal to Art Cohen did InI equate
Egyptian culture with voodoo. However, no let InI state that
ancient Egyptian religious tradition, who's origins are from
Chaldean Babylon itself, did perform and extolled spirtual
possession....For Isis was indwelt with the spirit of Osiris
[Horus] just as Semiramis [Rhea, Cybele] was indwelt with the
spirit of Nimrod [Bel, Ninus, Bacchus, Tammuz, Saturn, Apis],
Maut was indwelt with the spirit of Khons, Ceres was indwelt
with Jupiter, Fortuna was indwelt with Jupiter-puer.
All stemming from Shinar, Babel, Babylon - Ninus and Semiramis.
As HE died, then SHE was indwelt with his spirit. Nimrod after
he was slain, was cut into 14 different pieces and sent to
foreign, where the same religion was practiced and believed
which certainly includes Egypt - thus the origins of extolled
spirit possession, as the Queen of Babylon surfaced in their
respective countries, with different names, but the same story
and origins ---> Babylon.
> 2. The pyramids are one of greatest architectural wonders of the
> world -- the foundation of world culture. Your deep-seated
> emotionality about something you know nothing about only shows your
> confusion about history, philosophy, religion.
Architectural wonders, yes that is correct. However their
creation was more than any Tower of Babel could have been,
in the absurdity and delusions of self-grandeur...
What an massive abomination, to create a tomb for oneself
with such a horrendous amount of sufferation attached to
them. To glory in tombs of such horror is a morbid joke.
How quick you are to state that InI know nothing about the
pyramids in Egypt - where the very existence of that
ass-ertion makes you sound absurd. You know very little
of what InI have read and studied.
> With regard to so-called "voodoo", What do you think the Old
> Testament is chocked full of if not an integral part of what most
> mis-quote about "voodoo" = ancestral reverence...
Demonic possession is the voodoo of what I speak. The Old
Testament has many references to demonic possession (those
that deal with familiar spirits), and they are labelled as
a complete abomination before the Lord. Ancestral reverence
can be an entirely seperate act, from wilfully being possessed
by marauding demonic spirits, who pose as ancesters. InI have
studied demonic possession for years, so again, do not even try
to allege that InI do not know of what I speak.
> offerings of animals, etc. to God, building shrines, remembering
> their patriarchs. These Old Testament/"Jewish" practices are from
> ancient Africa and what the world now calls "voodoo"
Wrong. Voodoo is a Benin, New World derived practice. It is
entirely possible that you have never read Leviticus or Deuteronomy,
where necromancy and dealing with familiar spirits is an abomination !
> 3. Literal interpretations of the Bible are a scary thing. The
> Bible, first of all, is an ESOTERIC text -- which means a higher level
> of consciousness needs to be utilized to gain overstanding, seen?
Wrong. The scriptures are for all to overstand. The Romans, and
fellow Mystery religions of Babylon were designed as esoteric
religions. The fact that you cannot overstand Leviticus shows
that you cannot fathom scripture, or rather are willing to distort
the meanings to fit your backslidden and occultic religious beliefs.
> I suggest you go to the library and read books (particularly written
> by Africans) about the truth. I also suggest you talk to African
> people about their culture (which is rich and diverse) before you
> start trying to interpret it.
You yourself have not divulged or offered truth, but rather have
alleged wrongly and have distorted the scriptures into a mystery
religion that only a few can overstand (esoteric). So listen up,
my expertise is theology, the occult, the New Age, demonic
possession, ancient history (theology), ETC. InI am fully able
to interpret, and have read many works from Africans. Rather,
in deference to your assertions, it appears that you are not
well versed, for your statements so far are not correct.
InI am looking forward to your rebuttal to my points, as no doubt
you will - for which I will be fully willing to tell you the real
deal. But watch out, InI have studied ancient history real well,
and will never be fooled by someone who wishes to distort reality,
over what has transpired and the reasons for it.
Mikael Enoch
Fita...@aol.com
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paul.kaczmarek
fita...@aol.com (Fitaurari) wrote:
> The insult is when you have alleged something that InI have not
> done.
understand what you're on about anyway.
You might find using paragraphs useful, then when you change subject
people will realise it.
Open your book at page 126, and we'll look at paragraphs today. (Don't
worry, we're not expecting any of that difficult joined up thinking
just yet)
> However, no let InI state that
Well done! You understand.
That's what we've been trying to do for ages ...
no letting you state.
> ancient Egyptian religious tradition, who's origins are from
> Chaldean Babylon
Oops ... you must have been sick when we did ancient history. Never
mind, summer school's about to start.
> For Isis was indwelt with the spirit of Osiris
> [Horus] just as Semiramis [Rhea, Cybele] was indwelt with the
> spirit of Nimrod [Bel, Ninus, Bacchus, Tammuz, Saturn, Apis],
> Maut was indwelt with the spirit of Khons, Ceres was indwelt
> with Jupiter, Fortuna was indwelt with Jupiter-puer.
Oh dear oh dear ... and a resit on comparative religion also, I fear.
> You know very little
> of what InI have read and studied.
Sadly, neither do you know very much of it either :-)
> InI have
> studied demonic possession for years
With the help of just a small mirror and similar size brain.
> Wrong. The scriptures are for all to overstand. The Romans, and
> fellow Mystery religions of Babylon were designed as esoteric
> religions.
Hold the history books!!!New definition of Romans, people ....
'esoteric religion'.
> my expertise is theology, the occult, the New Age, demonic
> possession, ancient history (theology), ETC.
Picture the scene ... the local library.
Enter Michael ...
'Please Miss, spawn of the devil, Babylon whore; I can't find
'The Cat in the Hat does theology'. You Child of the Beast, pope
loving slut ... where's the picture books on demonic possession, you
Papist.'
> But watch out, InI have studied ancient history real well,
InI have studied real well ....
<sigh> whatever happened to education.
back to playing with your Commemorative Beast! (tm) playset, Michael.
Ras Messian Dread
LaDunk, just two remarks on your letter, though not
adressed to Idread, still I wish to respond if you no
mind...
On 12 Jul 1997 22:49:20 GMT, lad...@aol.com (LaDunk)
wrote:
>With regard to so-called "voodoo", What do you think the Old Testament is
>chocked full of if not an integral part of what most mis-quote about
>"voodoo" = ancestral reverence... offerings of animals, etc. to God,
>building shrines, remembering their patriarchs. These Old
>Testament/"Jewish" practices are from ancient Africa and what the world
>now calls "voodoo"
This IMO is not true. Vodou is all about calling up the
spirit of the dead, what Jah strongly condemned in
(any) Bible (translation).
>3. Literal interpretations of the Bible are a scary thing.
~~~~~
~:-)
~~~~~
The Bible,
>first of all, is an ESOTERIC text -- which means a higher level of
>consciousness needs to be utilized to gain overstanding, seen?
Seen. Untrue. It would mean that people with less
talents could never overstand the true meaning of Jah
Word. Jah Word is simple for all to overstand. True
enough a lot of "hidden" things are in there, but the
Bible is absolutely not a esoteric book.
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May I wish to you Jah Peace and Jah Love!
Greetings from Messian Dread
Email: mdr...@dds.nl
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LaDunk
Paul.kaczmarek wrote:
<<fita...@aol.com (Fitaurari) wrote:
> The insult is when you have alleged something that InI have not
> done.
It's a fair enough mistake.Most of the time it's impossible to
understand what you're on about anyway. You might find using paragraphs
useful, then when you change subject people will realise it.
> Chaldean Babylon
Oops ... you must have been sick when we did ancient history. Never
mind, summer school's about to start.
> For Isis was indwelt with the spirit of Osiris
> possession, ancient history (theology), ETC.
InI have studied real well ....
<sigh> whatever happened to education.
back to playing with your Commemorative Beast! (tm) playset, Michael.>>
Bravo Paul! ROFL!
Mr. Enoch, against my better judgement I responded to you and will do so
only once more. No, I don't need to watch out. For from your comments, I
can't imagine where you get your historical data. Since you are such a
historical giant though, I'm sure you've read "Ru Pert em Heru" (trans:
"Book of Coming Forth by Day" -- not "Book of the Dead" as Westerners like
to misinterpret). How about "Egypt Revisited" by Ivan Van Sertima?...
Diop's "Civilization or Barbarism"?... "Yurugu?", these are all wonderful
overviews of society's debt to African civilization.
Despite your forays into history, Semitic (Chaldean/Babylonian) culture
did not pre-date Ancient Egyptian (Khemetic) culture. Ancient Khemet got
its origins from Nubia (ancient Ethiopia). The fact is, civilization --
particularly Western -- borrowed and in many cases usurped ancient African
culture , then (in a nutshell) told the Africans they were polytheistic
(not), devil worshippers (not) who had nothing to contribute to the world
and who should seek their knowledge and sustenance from their oppressors.
My comments on the esoteric nature of the Bible is still true. Nothing I
said indicates that the Bible is not meant to be overstood by all. I am
speaking of literal interpretations of the Bible. Europeans used literal
interpretations as justification to enslave my ancestors. It is still
being used today to continue to mentally enslave. So, no thank you. I
don't need to discourse with you on Biblical meanings, world history or
the usurping of African culture/spirituality (Rastafari included).
Peace and blessings on your journey.
Me Zion Dread
On 13 Jul 1997 22:26:55 GMT, lad...@aol.com (LaDunk)
wrote:
>I am
>speaking of literal interpretations of the Bible. Europeans used literal
>interpretations as justification to enslave my ancestors.
I am really suffering from things like the above. I
should read the bible in your esotherical way if I do
not you will at least associate I with the enslavers.
So, which biblescriptures were used
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
to justificate the enslavers?
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
If you cannot answer this question with references,
please do not say it again.
mem9000
LaDunk wrote:
>
> Paul.kaczmarek wrote:
> <<fita...@aol.com (Fitaurari) wrote:
> <sigh> whatever happened to education.
> back to playing with your Commemorative Beast! (tm) playset, Michael.>>
>
> Bravo Paul! ROFL!
Is this Racine? Is Racine 'LaDunk'? The writing style is certainly
reminiscent.
>
> Mr. Enoch, against my better judgement I responded to you and will do so
> only once more.
--
Murray
...from the mountains of New Mexico...
Fitaurari
LaD...@aol.com is R. Sins Butt, just as Murray has alleged.
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Fitaurari
al...@lafn.org (William Just) wrote:
< lets skip all this crapola about pommy/pommie, etc and get on with
< something interesting, to (t)wit:
InI would reckon that someone like you William, who is more than
a pronouced 'brown nose' for Doug Wendt, would certainly welcome
discussions that surrounds poms, and Doug's mate Roger Steffens.
" What is it about the Brits that they fail to pay any
credit to Americans working in the reggae field ? "
- Roger Steffens
The Beat, magazine
Vol. 13, #6, 1994, pg. 82
Let InI speak concerning your attempted ridicule of InI's article
entitled: "The Internet and 666". First let InI state that you
yourself are in no position to ridicule the appreciation shown and
of people's concern over the ever pervasive and increasing cases of
beast-ial numerology in society, here in the 'last days' - as one
who does not believe in Rastafari, is not a Rastafarian, and has
taken the holy name of Rastafari and has in turn turned it into a
beast-ial number yourself !
< Rasta4I
< Jah Bill
Rastafari is not a number, you beast - and to top it off, you are
in no way 'Jah' Almighty - again ripping off a title, using it and
abusing it to your own ends, and in no way are your words edifying
to the glory of Jah - nothing like Jah ! You're a beast-ial
numbering Wolf, a Rastafari travesty, immitation, counterfeit, along
with your attempted ridicule of the conciousness over Hebrew
language scriptural 666 reality (www).
Now concerning Art the schmuck Cohen, who is definately anti-Jew, a
traitor to his own people, who also chose to ridicule "The Internet
and 666" article. The 666 (www) observation was gleaned by InI
from the words of Zola Levitt, who produces a weekly theological
television program. If you want internet proof of these
observations by Zola, InI will give it. So therefore, as claimed,
you Art Cohen (scratchie), you are a schmuck of massive proportions !
< One Love
Concerning your automated signature -
B-ill, when will that vibe ever transpire ?
What InI want to know is why you have large wrought iron swastikas
on the apartment complexes where you live in Sacramento, as Racine
claims, and which was later confirmed by InI in a trip to Sacramento.
Also B-ill, you have never answered why you told a bold faced lie in
this newsgroup about you speaking to Bunny Wailer himself, and
lies about what Bunny was claimed to have said, concerning InI's
usage of an internet address, "bunn...@aol.com" a few years
back. So if you still find it amusing, let InI warn you, cause there
certainly is a leg kick aimed right at your fat head. You're such a
profound 'brown nose' for Doug Wendt that you would never find
his attacks (INS instigatory problems and The Beat magazine - libel)
against BUNNY Diamond and BUNNY Wailer offensive.
Kicks ?
Yeah, InI will give you some kicks, all because you are purposefully
playing ignorant or are just too --> Du(m)b
to fathom the reason for the below picture signature that InI use -
cause you B-ill are of the beast, who tries to ridicule those that
would warn against the beast-ial numbering of society.
Yeah, check Revelation 19:16 - the Conquering Lion of Judah thigh !
Kicking your ass !
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LaDunk
Messian Dread wrote:
<<I am really suffering from things like the above. I
should read the bible in your esotherical way if I do
not you will at least associate I with the enslavers.
So, which biblescriptures were used to justificate the enslavers?
If you cannot answer this question with references,
please do not say it again. >>
If you choose to suffer from what has been the truth, so be it. I did not
write this to cause you sufferation -- it's not about "you". It is well
known that historically Europeans have used the Bible and Christianity to
defend their right to dominate other cultures. The citing of scriptures
is hence unnecessary, since anyone can turn a phrase to make it mean what
they want, seen? But for purposes of my discussion, see I Timothy 6:1-2,
Ephesians 6: 5-8; Colossians 3:22, Titus 2:9-10.
Basically so-called Christians preached that everything "white" was good,
because God is white, and black people were born to be slaves, because God
cursed them. Therefore, they must learn to obey their masters or they
will go straight to hell. If they obey, then they will go to heaven...
etc.
Misinterpretations of Biblical text was the basis of "scientific racism"
or manifest destiny [ever heard of that?]. The Greeks and Romans were the
first to use the Scriptures as a justification for the enslavement of
Africans. Snowden in Blacks in Antiquity: Ethiopians in Greco-Roman
Experience discusses how the "blackness of the Ethiopian's skin was
associated with death and evil."
It has been well documented that around the time of the Atlantic Slave
Trade (15th Century AD), the so-called prophecy concerning Ham (Genesis 9:
22-27) was used as a justification by the West to discriminate against
Black people on the grounds that it as a curse God levelled against Ham,
the "father" of the Black race. [yet it has also been documented that
Noah, Ham's father, was Black]
Also during the 15th Century, the changes brought about the Renaissance
period were reflected in many works of art and claissical writings. The
"Madonna and Child" (Mary and Jesus) were represented as having European
features -- when preexisting works throughout Asia and Europe clearly and
repeatedly document a "Black Madonna and Child"
Peace and blessings.
Messian Dread
On 15 Jul 1997 02:18:29 GMT, fita...@aol.com
(Fitaurari) wrote:
> LaD...@aol.com is R. Sins Butt, just as Murray has alleged.
I don't think so. There are differences in the way
(s)he writes. Racine has no knowledge over the Bible,
LaDunk has.
Messian Dread
Ire greetings!
On 15 Jul 1997 00:15:20 GMT, lad...@aol.com (LaDunk)
wrote:
>Messian Dread wrote:
>
><<I am really suffering from things like the above. I
>should read the bible in your esotherical way if I do
>not you will at least associate I with the enslavers.
>So, which biblescriptures were used to justificate the enslavers?
>If you cannot answer this question with references,
>please do not say it again. >>
LaDunk replied:
>If you choose to suffer from what has been the truth, so be it. I did not
>write this to cause you sufferation -- it's not about "you".
Messian Dread responds:
InI don't suffer from the truth, InI suffer beacause of
the denial of the truth. So many people who choose to
live with JAH suffer fron the wicked, because they
corrupted the Bible, they corrupted christianity in a
way that is clear for all to see. If you check on
DeJaNews you can see, that InI allways get a hard time
caused by some people who hate the bible that much that
they call it: "a tool of enslavement". It is not my
choice, it is happening. But Idread is very happy
Ladunk that you do not want to suffer I more. Give
thanks.
>It is wellknown that historically Europeans have used the Bible and Christianity to defend their right to dominate other cultures. The citing of scriptures is hence unnecessary, since anyone can turn a phrase to make it mean what
>they want, seen?
It is true, that anyone can quote a scripture and mek
it say what you want it to say. We have a little joke
allways, to "prove" that: Someone thought that JAH
spoke to him by giving him little scriptures. First he
read: "Judas went and killed himself"> And then he
asked: "What is this, JAH?" So he pick up the Bible,
opens it and reads: "Go ye therefore and do the same"
Ofcourse, this is a joke, but it makes a point....
>But for purposes of my discussion, see I Timothy 6:1-2,
>Ephesians 6: 5-8; Colossians 3:22, Titus 2:9-10.
Give thanks, that you want to share with us these
scriptures. To write the above and then quote no
scriptures at all, would not make a point I thinks.
Please have a little patience with I, as I go through
the scriptures and analyse them. InI have (since
yesterday)downloaded a shareware computer Bible which
enables I to quote much easier and quicker. I also have
the possibilitie to read the NT verses in ancient
Greek, so much nearer to the source, since a lot of NT
books are written in that language.
~~~~~
1Ti 6:1 Let as many servants as are under the yoke
count their own masters worthy of all honour, that the
name of God and his doctrine be not blasphemed.
2 And they that have believing masters, let them not
despise them, because they are brethren; but rather do
them service, because they are faithful and beloved,
partakers of the benefit. These things teach and
exhort.
You know, what you talk about. Indeed, this scripture
can be used as a tool for the enslavers. But also you
can read here, that Paulus says do not despise your
"masters" when they also believe. It shows, also in
different other scriptures, that it is regarded a yoke,
Paulus also advices anyone when you can become a free
man, do it! I think, when this verse is used (and why
shouldn't it) that is is selectively quoted, for
otherwise when you read these two scriptures, you do
not see propaganda for slavery. "Just" a call for the
faithfull to stay humble, also in that situation,
something I'm not sure whether I could do that..
~~~~~
Eph 6:5-8
Servants, be obedient to them that are your masters
according to the flesh, with fear and trembling, in
singleness of your heart, as unto Christ; Not with
eyeservice, as menpleasers; but as the servants of
Christ, doing the will of God from the heart; With good
will doing service, as to the Lord, and not to men:
Knowing that whatsoever good thing any man doeth, the
same shall he receive of the Lord, whether he be bond
or free. And, ye masters, do the same things unto them,
forbearing threatening: knowing that your Master also
is in heaven; neither is there respect of persons with
him. Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and
in the power of his might.
It shows again clearly, that Paulus does not say that
slavery is a good thing, he says even do not please
men, but when you suffer (SLAVES ARE SUFFERING) endure
it for Jah sake. When this is used by the slavedrivers,
FIRE pon them. A serious thing. But again, when
observed more deeply, you can see clearly that there is
no advocation for slavery within these scriptures. And
it is not for a slavedriver to tell the slaves these
things written in the above.
~~~~~
Col 3:22
Servants, obey in all things your masters according to
the flesh; not with eyeservice, as menpleasers; but in
singleness of heart, fearing God:
Not as menpleasers, same thing can be said as I said
earlier.
~~~~~
Tit 2:9 Exhort servants to be obedient unto their own
masters, and to please them well in all things; not
answering again;
10 Not purloining, but shewing all good fidelity; that
they may adorn the doctrine of God our Saviour in all
things.
A true faithfull is humble under all conditions. Even
under the most heavy ones. What did Stephanus do when
he was stoned (by stones, not ganja)? He prayed for the
ones that were stoning him to dead. For us these things
are hard to overstand. I also see biblescriptures in
which Paul says that when a slave could become a free
man he had top do just that.
1Co 7:21 Art thou called being a servant? care not for
it: BUT IF THOU MAYEST BE MADE FREE, USE IT RATHER.
I guess the slavedrivers did not quote this one!
>Basically so-called Christians preached that everything "white" was good,
>because God is white, and black people were born to be slaves, because God
>cursed them. Therefore, they must learn to obey their masters or they
>will go straight to hell. If they obey, then they will go to heaven...
>etc.
Crucial information. I'll quote again and respond:
>Basically so-called Christians preached that everything "white" was good,
Good you say "so called". Whenever I do this, and you
can look that up, people say to I: they were
christians. I indeed know white christians who think
that way. I know people who do not want to have
anything to do with the Bible and JAH, because they
think JAH is a white racist!
>because God is white, and black people were born to be slaves, because God cursed them.
I indeed have heard of this thing. But there is another
thing to it:
Ac 17:26 And hath made of one blood all nations of men
for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath
determined the times before appointed, and the bounds
of their habitation
The last part of this scripture can be seen as an
advocation of segregation, still you see everywhere in
the Bible that people migrate and live together without
Jah judging it.
So, if we are of one blood WHICH WE ARE, there are no
root-races as been told within ESOTHERIC circles (!),
how are we to say to our own blood you are cursed?
>Therefore, they must learn to obey their masters or they will go straight to hell. If they obey, then they will go to heaven...
By giving these kind of sophisms indeedd they tried to
keep the black people in their sufferings, and I must
say, this goes on until this very day, we have enough
examples of that. But it is selective quoting from the
Bible. A good and deep study of the Bible leads to a
different overstanding.
>Misinterpretations of Biblical text was the basis of "scientific racism"
>or manifest destiny [ever heard of that?].
No. Would you mind explaining? Probably then I know
what you refering to. But I agree.
> The Greeks and Romans were the
>first to use the Scriptures as a justification for the enslavement of
>Africans. Snowden in Blacks in Antiquity: Ethiopians in Greco-Roman
>Experience discusses how the "blackness of the Ethiopian's skin was
>associated with death and evil."
When they would use the Bible in the same way as you
have given the examples, then InI can be sure that it
is indeed misinterpretations. We agree to the fulness
about this thing, mi Idren/Sistran. The only thing that
is refering to the Ethiopian's black skin in the Word
of Jah is the remark that the Ithiopian cannot change
his complexion.
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Ya see, this is the point I have: you say that when the
Bible is quoted literally without regard to any
"esotheric" hidden contents, it can be used as a tool
of enslavement. Now this is not true. It is only true
when you would say, that when the Bible is quoted
SELECTIVELY this can be done, but only if the one you
want to enslave himself does not have any knowledge
about the litteral contents of this beautifull Book of
Books.
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As you say corectly, that there is no curse on black
people. There is a curse, indeed, it is the curse
called sin. But that is for all people, not only black
people, but also white and yellow and all people.
paul.kaczmarek
mdr...@dds.nl (Me Zion Dread) wrote:
>So, which biblescriptures were used
>to justificate the enslavers?
Well, IMO any writing which speaks of a chosen race is exactly that.
I thought all men are created equal?
BTW ... I did try to send congratulations on your marriage, but the
mail bounced a few times.
Look after her ... partners on this rocky road are a thing to treasure
forever.
One love
paul.ka...@ukonline.co.uk
paul.kaczmarek
> Also B-ill, you have never answered why you told a bold faced lie in
Ok. While you're on this little route to hell, perhaps you might like
to look at your own past and explain why you haven't answered the
questions asked of you in the past couple of years.
Purely in the interests of following the Biblical teachings about
beams and motes, and casting the first stone, let's take a walk
through your misbegotten life and give you a chance to clear your name
-
Can you tell us why were you fired from KJFC?
Can you tell us why you lost your job at Hewlett Packard?
Tell us why you persist in pretending you're descended from ancient
Irish royalty when you are from Scottish emigre descent?
Or for that matter, that you're a Rastafarian?
(there's lots more, but this will do for a start)
Ladies and gentlemen, I give you Michael McCarty.
He won't reply coherently or truthfully.
What was that about Prince of Lies?
paul.ka...@ukonline.co.uk
currently playing -
Sylvia Teller / Jack Radics - Searching
Winston Reedy - Dim the lights
Armagideon - Victory dub
mem9000
My thinking is, if someone's knocking on my door, I want to know who it
is!!!
The real tipoff was the use of the
"ROFL" internet-geek-newusers-guide-handbook-cutesy-"I'm 'net literate"
acronym.
Kind of a trademark signature....
But if LaDunk is NOT Racine, I certainly apologize for the
misrecognition.
mem9000
> (s)he writes. Racine has no knowledge over the Bible,
> LaDunk has.
>
Racine had enough Bible familiarity to produce the Lost Book of Enoch.
Plus she was raised Episcopalian.
Kevin O'Brien
paul.kaczmarek wrote:
> BTW ... I did try to send congratulations on your marriage, but the
> mail bounced a few times.
> Look after her ... partners on this rocky road are a thing to treasure
> forever.
yes i....and it seems that good ones are very hard to come by...at least
in my experience.....
as yellowman might say, "she a ruin mi life, bwoy"
SCAREDEM1
In article <33CB90...@compuserve.com>, mem9000
<73234...@compuserve.com> writes:
> LaD...@aol.com is R. Sins Butt, just as Murray has alleged.
>>
>
>The real tipoff was the use of the
>"ROFL"
well according to the AOL member profile, it seems this person does
not have the same name or location as racine, but who knows.
anyway, my opinion is that it is not her - and actually i dont think i
would care if it is her - i dont read rmr to do investigative work
SCARE DEM
Messian Dread
Why don't we stop playing Sherlock?
Messian Dread
>Well, IMO any writing which speaks of a chosen race is exactly that.
>I thought all men are created equal?
Not a chosen "race", but a chosen people. But this
chosenness does not mean that there is an inequality.
The Jews had to perform a lot of things, that non-Jews
did not have to do. I would rather be a non-Jew than a
Jew under that situation. But if you read closely what
Jah has to say about Jews and non-Jews, you can see
clearly, that Jah commands the Jews to be hospital,
friendly.
Ex 22:21 Thou shalt neither vex a stranger, nor
downpress him: for ye were strangers in the land of
Egypt.
Le 19:33 And if a stranger sojourn with thee in your
land, ye shall not vex him.
34 But the stranger that dwelleth with you shall be
unto you as one born among you, and thou shalt love him
as thyself; for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt:
I am the LORD your God.
This shows, that there is in fact no difference.
>BTW ... I did try to send congratulations on your marriage, but the mail bounced a few times.
Thank you very much! This is very friendly of you!
Dunno why the mail bounced, I have no killfiles on
anyone, each one can as far as I know write to/with I,
and I intend to keep it that way!
>Look after her ...
I'll do the best I can to make her life a pleasant one,
and I know that she'll do the same. Our little 6 year
old girl is also happy with it, the three of us are
having a nice time threegether.
>partners on this rocky road are a thing to treasure
>forever.
Yes, I agree. In a time where almost 1/3 of the
marriages result in a divorce, not to name all these
other forms of relations. Give thanks!
mem9000
Messian Dread wrote:
>
> paul.ka...@ukonline.co.uk (paul.kaczmarek) wrote:
>
> >Well, IMO any writing which speaks of a chosen race is exactly that.
> >I thought all men are created equal?
>
> Not a chosen "race", but a chosen people. But this
> chosenness does not mean that there is an inequality.
Agreed. Last time I checked, the Jews bear a variety of skin colors in
their population. There are Jews from Spain, from Turkey, from Russia,
from Yemen, from ETHIOPIA, from all over world. It just so happened
that the Jews intermarried to some extent in each of the lands of their
sojourn. Also, many people who were in these 'Gentile' countries
converted into the Jewish nation. So the Jewish people reflect the skin
hues of all the nations of the world.
Messian Dread
>Racine had enough Bible familiarity to produce the Lost Book of Enoch.
>Plus she was raised Episcopalian.
Guess I missed that one :-) but would Racine call these
"christians" of babylon "so-called christians"?
No, again, I don't think so. But it does not matter,
actually. Mt 10:16 Behold, I send you forth as sheep
in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as
serpents, and harmless as doves. If you know what I
mean.
paul.kaczmarek
mdr...@dds.nl (Messian Dread ) wrote:
>Not a chosen "race", but a chosen people. But this
>chosenness does not mean that there is an inequality.
being 'chosen' ...
you're either in the club or you aren't, and if you're not then you're
damned or beneath us seems to be the attitude.
The problem - people like to be different (strewth, I've made a
lifetime's attitude of it :-)) but most people carry the baggage of
difference=better than or not as good as with it.
Life would be a damn sight easier if they just celebrated difference.
Having said that, the thought pops into my head that reggae is
different to ragga, I know which I think is better, and anyone who
says different is an idiot :-)
Messian Dread
>mdr...@dds.nl (Messian Dread ) wrote:
>>Not a chosen "race", but a chosen people. But this
>>chosenness does not mean that there is an inequality.
>That is how it should be, but like the Mormons there's an air about
>being 'chosen' ...
Mormons are being tought, that Jah was one day like us,
of flesh and blood, and that He worked Himself up, now
this can also happen with the people who join their
church. After they die they continue to "learn", until
one day they will be on the same level as the Almighty
is now, resulting in the idea, that each one will have
their own planet one day, where (s)he can play "God".
This is the idea that mormons have of the hereafter. I
don't see any reason why they shouldn't feel arrogant,
they are working to become the next Almighty! :-)
>you're either in the club or you aren't, and if you're not then you're
>damned or beneath us seems to be the attitude.
How different it is with someone who is getting his
knowledge straight out of JAH Book, which says that
grace and mercy is given unto us, not as a result of
own works, but as a result of JKAH LOVE for each and
everyone.
>The problem - people like to be different (strewth, I've made a
>lifetime's attitude of it :-)) but most people carry the baggage of
>difference=better than or not as good as with it.
>Life would be a damn sight easier if they just celebrated difference.
Also in this JAH Words has an answer. We faithfull are
all like one body, there is an arm, a hand, a leg, and
so forth. Now Paulus say, can the hand say: "Because I
am a hand I don't need the foot"? or: "Because I am a
hand, I am better than the foot"?
>Having said that, the thought pops into my head that reggae is different to ragga, I know which I think is better, and anyone who says different is an idiot :-)
You idiot, Roots is much better than ragga! You fool!
:-))
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Fitaurari
mdr...@dds.nl (Messian Dread ) wrote:
+ Mormons are being tought, that Jah was one day
+ like us, of flesh and blood, and that He worked
+ Himself up, now this can also happen with the
+ people who join their church.
During InI's travels throughout the Pacific, I was,
and am still, truly amazed and saddened by the
influence that the Mormons have in that region of
the world. Up until very recently, they had denied
salvation to the natives of Fiji, stating that they as
a people were not destined to be redeemed by God
(Jah). Fairly recently they reversed that policy and
finally conceeded that the Fijians are part of a lost
tribe of Israel. If InI's memory serves correctly, they
also denied salvation to the Africans, by race. Their
influence in Apia, Sa'moa, and in Hawai'i was also
noted as having a terrible influence, whereby their
religious beliefs and doctrine are un-scriptural and
legalistic in nature - give much more devotion to
Joseph Smith than the teachings of Jesus Christ.
In the streets of San Francisco, Mormon 'elders' are
seen trying to convert people to their cult, and again
sadly InI see the brainwashed young men of Sa'moan
and of Hawai'ian racial backgrounds, also as elders, on
their 2 year missionary journeys, to convert others.
Let InI say that when I speak of the Ethiopian Church and
it's scriptures, they are truly interested to hear I's views, and
even more interested and drawn to InI as I express to them
InI's heartfelt sadness over how many tragically tricked souls
there are, of a truly wonderful and proud people (Sa'moa),
being so very tricked spiritually.
In closing, the Mormons are legalists, whereby if you and
others do not conduct your life in the Mormon way, then
you cannot have salvation - for Joseph Smith is their God.
Messian Dread
On 21 Jul 1997 02:26:05 GMT, fita...@aol.com
(Fitaurari) wrote:
>If InI's memory serves correctly, they also denied salvation to the Africans, by race.
So true, they were speaking in their books of "people,
who got cursed by JAH with a black sin, and they are
lazy and don't want to work", something like that. They
are an esotheric movement which perfectly fits within
the New Age Movement, maybe this is a suprise for some,
but for peoples who studied a bit of the New Age, this
is not a suprise, as many esotherical movements are in
fact racist.
Even salvation for them is something different than the
scriptural definition of salvation. They believe Jesus
and "Lucifer" to be brothers, the fact that the first
temptation was there, also was part of Jah's plan,
according to the Mormons. They believe that J.Smith
talked with the spirits of diverse Jahpostles, which is
pure spiritism.
Messian Dread
>So true, they were speaking in their books of "people,
>who got cursed by JAH with a black sin, and they are
I made a unforunate mistake, it must be "black skin", I
am sorry to make the mistake, but it happens sometime,
now this one was not so fortunate
Racine125
In article <19970713032...@ladder01.news.aol.com>,
fita...@aol.com (Fitaurari) writes:
> Voodoo is a Benin, New World derived practice.
Well, I suppose we should run up a flag! Fits-o'-temper has finally named
one of the true sources of the Vodou religion. Not so long ago, you
insisted that Vodou was "Babylonian/Chaldean", whatever that is.
>ancient Egyptian religious tradition, who's origins are from
> Chaldean Babylon itself, did perform and extolled spirtual
> possession.
Which only goes to show that trance possession has been a part of
the religious services of cultures in every part of the world.
LaDunk - calling Egyptian religious practices "voodoo", or even Vodou,
is not an insult, merely an innaccuracy - sort of like calling
Fitaurari a philosopher! LOL! I like your way of writing, though,
and the ideas you set forth for discussion.
(And, oh - this should answer the burning question of rmr - no, I am
not LaDunk. It's just that we are both intelligent people with a penchant
for the pen.)
Mambo Racine Sans But
Racine125
Well, it's nice to know you missed me!
Although I play a mean game of basketball, I do not live in L.A. And,
I am not LaDunk.
Mambo Racine Sans But
paul.kaczmarek
>they are working to become the next Almighty! :-)
>You idiot, Roots is much better than ragga! You fool!
ROFL ... nice response.
I'm heading for the hills ...