Has anyone refused to listen to artists who they disagree with?
Akee123
their off-the-record lives they live ot becasue of their beliefs? I know
people (as I do) find some of the Christafari ideas a bit too much. But are
there any other artists? Surely there must be. Where do people draw the line?
Cool Vibes,
Rob
Lars Rindelöf
ake...@aol.com wrote on 1-07-27 13.18:
Well, I give it about two minutes before all the dancehall haters start to
show up, talking jibberish about something they so obviously know nothing
about...or are willing to try to learn anything about.
As I mentioned somewhere else, most of them still believes that Ninja Man愀
"Murder Dem" is a gun-tun about and promoting murder.
Do they evn know what a clash is?
Doubt it.
Lars
MJKuelker
and so I cued to the first track, and to my dismay I got these lyrics:
"It's no crime if blood haffi run / To liberate yourself you have to eliminate
some."
I'd heard enough. And so I popped out the CD and set it aside, not giving
Everton Blender another thought until I kept hearing, almost against my will,
songs I enjoyed, songs which demonstrated conscious and creative sides to his
music. But these lyrics justify murder. They come in a song about the
"brainwashing" of African peoples by colonizers, who stole the Bible and
returned a "carbon" in its place.
I've always wanted to ask E Blender about this.
--Michael Kuelker
KDHX 88.1 FM - St. Louis, MO
Werner de Bruijn
> I'm curious to know if there are some artists people won't listent o because of
> their off-the-record lives they live ot becasue of their beliefs?
Personally, I can't think of any examples.
For me it's the music and the music alone that gets me interested in an artist in
the first place ("music" including sound of voice, vocal delivery etc.). If I hear
something I like, I will check it out.
Of course, in extreme cases, when an artist's lyrics or behaviour would be
completely unacceptable to me then I woudn't bother to check out the music, but I
can't think of any cases in which this actually applied (in reggae, anyway).
Sure, there are many occasions where an artist expresses thoughts that I disagree
with completely, but for me that's not a reason to not listen to the music. Only
when expressing these ideas would actually be the main objective of this artist, it
could be a reason for me to 'boycot' him. But like I said: I can't think of an
example.
And besides: people who are that preoccupied with specific issues usually don't
make interesting music anyway.....
Werner.
*************************************************
"Strickly Drum an' Bass mek yu wine up yu waist!"
*************************************************
Matthew L Miller
: Where do people draw the line?
If the music is good then I'll listen to it.
--
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Papa Andy
Better watch out! You're living in a country founded by violent revolutionaries
like G. Washington and his armed crew of shooters from ambush.
Think about it
A
Rastapoodle
dancehall for two reasons: I can't understand patois, and when I've read the
lyrics, many seem hateful, not all, but many.)
That said, one instance of really refusing to go along with an artist in
concert was when Lucky Dube was trying to get everyone to wave their arms over
their heads and chant along
"we were born to suffer".
I don't agree with that negative attitude, and refused to participate. I just
stood there, feeling sorry for a ll the grinning fools in the audience,
chanting that nonsense.
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Rastathoth
>That said, one instance of really refusing to go along with an artist in
>concert was when Lucky Dube was trying to get everyone to wave their arms
>over
>their heads and chant along
>"we were born to suffer".
>
>I don't agree with that negative attitude, and refused to participate. I just
>stood there, feeling sorry for a ll the grinning fools in the audience,
>chanting that nonsense.
Maybe Lucky just wanted to get folks to feel what it's like to be born
in the shit, generate some compassion and togetherness.
Especially Europeans and Americans often forget that there are worse
things on earth than high gas prices or the untimely end of their favorite
TV series. Some people ARE born to suffer, and never get much of a
chance to see any light.
You really cannot compare that to any gay-bashing tirades or other
'burn them all' hysteria, and I would not call it a 'negative attitude'.
Yikes, from all the thousand modern reggae stars that I've never heard
of or which I could not part from each other you've just picked one of
the very few that I care for..
Blessed be,
Raven
Mick Sleeper
sentiments. Best example: "I've Got The Handle" by The Heptones which is very
violent and mysoginist ("don't try to fight me girl/you'll need first aid"). But
I can't think of any artists that I don't listen to because of their off-record
lives. Actors & actresses, though - but that's another story.
= = =
"I beg your pardon; I was not sleeping, I was thinking"
- Mark Twain
Mick Sleeper
<20010727135457...@ng-fp1.aol.com>, Rastathoth had this to say...
>things on earth than high gas prices or the untimely end of their favorite
>TV series. Some people ARE born to suffer, and never get much of a
>chance to see any light.
Yes I!
Guava Baby
> Anya wrote:
>
> >That said, one instance of really refusing to go along with an artist in
> >concert was when Lucky Dube was trying to get everyone to wave their arms
> >over
> >their heads and chant along
> >"we were born to suffer".
> >
> >I don't agree with that negative attitude, and refused to participate. I just
> >stood there, feeling sorry for a ll the grinning fools in the audience,
> >chanting that nonsense.
>
> Maybe Lucky just wanted to get folks to feel what it's like to be born
> in the shit, generate some compassion and togetherness.
> Especially Europeans and Americans often forget that there are worse
> things on earth than high gas prices or the untimely end of their favorite
> TV series. Some people ARE born to suffer, and never get much of a
> chance to see any light.
>
> You really cannot compare that to any gay-bashing tirades or other
> 'burn them all' hysteria, and I would not call it a 'negative attitude'.
I would. It's a form of fatalism that pretty much ensures that you have a shitty
life. I wouldn't for a moment belittle the tragic circumstances into which many
are thrust, but at a certain point you have to make up your mind whether you're
going to be resigned to misery or whether you're going to focus on what *is* good
in your life.
Leigh
Guava Baby
> I can't recall any lyrics from a recording in particular (although I avoid
> dancehall for two reasons: I can't understand patois, and when I've read the
> lyrics, many seem hateful, not all, but many.)
I'm not sure I quite agree, but that aside, I find enough objectionable ideas in
non-dancehall reggae. One example that comes to mind is a Sanchez song where he
encourages some woman to leave her husband for him. He goes around making such a
big noise about being a Christian and then he turns around and tries to break up
couples? Nice.
Leigh
Mick Sleeper
>>
>>Everton Blender's collection "Piece of the Blender" came in the mail in 1996,
>>and so I cued to the first track, and to my dismay I got these lyrics:
>>
>>"It's no crime if blood haffi run / To liberate yourself you have to eliminate
>>some."
I think some people over-interpret many reggae lyrics and take them far too
literally. Militant lyrics don't always mean the singer literally advocates the
things they talk about. Off the top of my head:
"It takes a revolution to make a solution" (Bob Marley)
"Heads a go roll down sandy gully one of these days" (Max Romeo)
"Judgement has come and mercy has gone" (Niney)
"Not even the dog who piss against the wall of Babylon shall escape Jah wrath"
(Jah T)
Reggae lyrics are songs, not declarations of war or newspaper stories. I don't
think that any reggae star advocates violence on a literal level. The power of
metaphor and allegory should be considered. Probably the best example I can
think of comes from a non-reggae artist, Foetus. His lyrical style is always
completely over the top and exaggerated and full of outrageously grim black
humor; for him, just singing the blues means talking as if he's been cast into
the fiery pits of hell ("I've been condemned to eternal water torture/this time
the decider has shown no quarter"). I've always been more disturbed by lyrics
that discuss violence or racism or sexism casually and describe "everyday"
situations that actually happen (such as drive by shootings or wife beating),
and not lyrics that use "judgement day, fire have fe burn, blood a go run"
imagery.
Lars Rindelöf
guav...@mindspring.com wrote on 1-07-27 20.40:
Sanchez is... actually a dancehall artist.
Lars
Lars Rindelöf
lars.r...@chello.se wrote on 1-07-27 20.50:
Which again the total ignorance shared by many people who seem to take pride
in not liking dancehall music.
Lars
Ras Mikael Enoch
says...
Rather than use the term "refuse", let's just say that the
below artists no longer receive any praise or I's time
and attention.
Shabba Ranks [disgusting lyrics, anti-Rastafari comments]
Christafari [anti-Rastafari PLOT]
LKJ [anti-Rastafari, anti-Aswad]
Root Awakening [Sucky Dead-Head noise, false accusers, liars]
UB40 [anti-Rastafari, bogus darlings of the syndicate]
Super Cat [killed breda Nitty Gritty]
_____________________________
Ras Mikael Enoch
http://www.rasmikaelenoch.com
Ras Mikael Enoch
Additionally:
Alpha Blondy [shrewd anti-Haile Selassie, anti-Ethiopian]
Janestaal
society for art. We accept that art serves as a means to express that in which
the ARTIST chooses; wether it be through dance, prose, song or paint stroke.
Yet, when it comes to those that are oppressed, there is an unfair desire for
their art to be 'non-objectional' and 'passive'. Doesnt this seem reminiscent
of the role that eurocentric society has dreamed of black culure to take; one
of passivity. Since when does art need to be "christian" or "rasta" in nature?
Cant art just be. When an artist sings of love do we accuse him of never
feeling it? When a paniter pants a close up of the sun, do we accuse him of
never really seeing it so close? If you want only fact, go to a science lab and
stare in petri dishes all day long. And to address the criticizms that sanchez
claims to be christian and then has "unchristian" lyrics (whatever that
means)...it is as if you want people to function in a binary system, this way
or that, black or white, rasta or christian...In the grand scheme of things it
is the mixture of ideas, philosophies and such that are more powerful-the grey.
You guys are starting to sound like guiliani saying that Chris Ofili's painting
of the virgin mary was "unchristian". His painting was most christian actually,
but even if it wasnt...so what. he is an artist, not a minister. It is usually
only arrogance that makes one endorse or denounce things. While I am surely not
calling for people to take a passive stance against things that they feel are
unjust, I simply encourage you to remember what made you listen to music,
especially reggae, in the first place.
Ska Canada
>
> There are some songs that I refuse to listen to because of their lyrics or
> sentiments. Best example: "I've Got The Handle" by The Heptones which is very
> violent and mysoginist ("don't try to fight me girl/you'll need first aid"). But
> I can't think of any artists that I don't listen to because of their off-record
> lives. Actors & actresses, though - but that's another story.
>
While I cannot think of any particular artists I
refuse to listen to, but in terms of songs I would
have to say "The Boiler" by the Specials (or
Special AKA or whatever they called themselves
at the time). A song about rape that is very
disturbing and very hard to listen to.
Billy
Lee O'Neill
"Akee123" <ake...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> I'm curious to know if there are some artists people won't listent o
because of
> their off-the-record lives they live ot becasue of their beliefs?
Because of their off-the-record lives? No - the music needs to be judged on
it's own terms.
On the other hand, after hearing Buju's "Boom Bye Bye" I decided to never
spend a dime on anything bearing his name. That's a decision based on his
music.
One Love,
Lee O'Neill
Ras Mikael Enoch
>Which again the total ignorance shared by many people who seem to take pride
>in not liking dancehall music.
Rastapoodle stated that she doesn't always overstand
the patwa that is contained in dancehall music, and
I thought that maybe others are also dis-associated from
an deeper appreciation of dancehall, because they also have
difficulties comprehending what is being said.
Sometimes I forget, that at one time I had difficulty
overstanding what some patwa meant. Thanks tod Jah
that I have now have no difficulty listening to fast patwa
and can overstand it. Dancehall, a truly unique Jamaican
music art form happens to be wonderfully comical, topical -
always a direct reflection of what is going on in JA.
People don't realize that Jamaica is so very unique,
in that their popular music is a wonderful statement about
the present state of affairs in JA !
Which other country can boast such ?
I can't think of any besides wonderful Jamaica !
messian dread
try to avoid it, and I will not make the music also, never.
I will surely get flamed for this, but watching the Lee Perry cover of
the album "batlle of armagideon" where the Holy Spirit is illustrated
as a dancing skeleton holding a joint called "Collie Jesus Christ" was
a bit too much for me also. I also saw more covers by Lee Perry
albums which are strange. For example, Ital Corner by Jazzbo, where
they seem to stand in front of a satanic building.
I know Lee Perry has mixed some very righteous artists, and I also
know that many have recorded for the Black Ark, and music-wise I will
certainly not bagatelize his efforts although I think his influence in
dub reggae is over-rated and he has more influence on modern day
electronic artists then he did over Reggae Dub (Jammy, Tubby and
Scientist are still technically the most interesting to listen to for
learning), and I also play albums coming from Black Ark (although not
many), but I know that as a musician, your personality is connected
with the music you create. You always put stuff from yourself in it,
sometimes in the open and sometimes more hidden, and I keep this in
mind when I listen to music.
May I wish you Peace and Love
Messian Dread
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Ras Mikael Enoch
says...
Lee,
Honestly I am surprised that you have taken his lyrics
literally - Buju doesn't advocate the actual killing
of batty-boys, only verbal murder through potent lyrics.
Boom boom, bye bye, with his armory of rapid fire wit !
jAM-EEL
Thats all fine and Dandy Mr.Enoch but i think the crux of the thread
is the fact that Anyone can search lyric sheets and find examples to
twist around and take out of context,like you do.
Your Discrimination against certain Reggae Artists is a personal
Vendetta created by yourself for reasons only known to you.
I dont hate Dancehall , I understand the Culture, Ive heard alot of
good stuff and a shit load of well, let me say average stuff, but most
of it pales in comparism to some Nyahbinghi Drum or some Roots, The
slackness and gun talk abound, Its all lyric based and the
accompaniements are usually a 2 beat and taptap cymbal. Not much
inspiration there in the musical arrangement , Although there are
talented DJ's who deserve respect , Dancehall is 2nd Fiddle to the
Roots. Always will be !!
André de Jong
Never
I only run away at live concerts when the backing band sucks
André
"Akee123" <ake...@aol.com> schreef in bericht
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Jan
> There are some songs that I refuse to listen to because of their lyrics or
> sentiments. Best example: "I've Got The Handle" by The Heptones which is very
> violent and mysoginist ("don't try to fight me girl/you'll need first aid").
Yeah, that is a disturbing song, and so many people sang it too.
Another is that Stranger In Love.
Artists - I went off Gregory Isaacs for a while when I heard so many
stories from English people about his coke habit, but seeing as his
voice never came back (in my opinion), I still listen to him - mainly
his earlier stuff. I can't think of any other reggae artists I refuse
to listen to off the top of my head, but general music I won't listen
to or support junkies (smack I mean) or wife bashers - as in Eric
Clapton, Miles Davis. But first I do have to have heard fairly
definite stuff about them to make the decision to stop buying &
listening.
Jan
Lars Rindelöf
stupid comments.
First of all DANCEHALL does NOT EQUAL dj music.
Secondly, it is quite obvious that you don´t know anything about jamaican
music whatsoever. So why continue trashing out your ignorant comments?
If King Jammy is able to move along with his times, why can´t you?
Do you own a copy of Dennis Brown´s "Brown Sugar?
Well, that is Dancehall music.
Do you like Barrington Levy, Johhny Osbourne, Cocoa Tea or Eek a Mouse?
Well, that is dancehall music.
Do you like Gregory Isaacs post 1981.
Well, that is dancehall music.
Do you like Garnett Silk.
Well that is dancehall music too.
If you try define "Fim Noir", it might not seem to be the easiest thing in
the world to do at first. But when you have seen a few you begin to
recognize some commonly shared features (that is why you can say that L.A
Confidential was a modern Film Noir).
Around 1979/80 the Jamican audiences were growing tired of the roots music
which had dominated the musical landscape for almost 10 years. They wanted
something new (and something they could actually dance to. A new sound, a
new beat for a new generation and a different approach to subject-matter)
and they got it.
You have to understand that the young people of today does not care about
seventies roots-music. It is not their music. It is not even their parents
music. If you go to a dance and they have a segment with oldies, they do not
play the Gladiators, but Tenor Saw, Nitty Gritty or older stuff like
Yellowman,(if they are in a good mood) Barrington Levy and so on. And the
new artist and producers and, for that matter, selectors is constantly
referring to that golden age of dancehall music and n if you do not know
your history you miss out on very, very much.
besides many of the so called "violent" themes you are talking about seems
to be simply your lack of understanding about the culture. You murder a
sound: (you outplay a sound in a clash). You kill a fellow dj: You beat him
lyrically.
Get it?
No, i did not think you would.
And in stricktly musical terms? I would say that you do not simly know what
you are talking about on that point either.
IT IS ALL ABOUT FRAME OF REFERENCE. That is what really distingusihes
dancehall music from roots.
Lars
in article b7fa8ca2.01072...@posting.google.com, jAM-EEL at
flreg...@aol.com wrote on 1-07-28 08.17:
JABergmann
>You always put stuff from yourself in it,
>sometimes in the open and sometimes more hidden, and I keep this in
>mind when I listen to music.
Exactly why I threw away all three of my Christafari albums.
JAH LOVE
Jeff
Lars Rindelöf
Ras_m...@newsguy.com wrote on 1-07-28 00.40:
I agree with the above.
My favourite story still (I recall mentioned it before) is when I had to
explain for a woman friend of mine what Heads High was really about. Like
many other she believed it to be a song in the vein of, say, I am black and
I am Proud...
My post was really meant as a reply about that Sanchez comment...
Lars
messian dread
measure already?
May I wish you Peace and Love
jah bill
its not "boom boom bye bye" michael, its "boom bye bye". have you ever heard
the song?
and yeah those lyrics are meant to be about verbal murder. boom bye bye in a
batty bwoys head...sounds pretty damn literal to me.
if i were you, on that trip to mecca kingston, i would watch my back. you
might find out the harsh realitiy of local views on gays the hard way down
there.
one love
jah bill
jah bill
represent the babylon neighborhood that the dreads have to dwell in to
survive...
--
one love
rasta 4 I
jah bill
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jah bill
make it through it...esp when the woman started screaming her head off...
--
one love
rasta 4 I
jah bill
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Messian Dread
It also has crossed my mind, this brethren I know who used to be involved in satanism
but fortunately changed his way, showed it to me.
I do not have the cover here, but it is the goat head above the building (studio, I
believe) so even when it is the babylonian shituation dreads find themselves in, I
wonder why is it the studio, should it confirm what I think?
Fact is that Lee Perry states in an interview held recently, that he dislikes dread
and think they're "fucking dangerous" and that he wants to call his new studio
the "white ark", because he did not like the spiritual talkings of the dreads aropund
him.
One Love,
Messian Dread
http://www.dubroom.com
http://www.mp3.com/mdread
> .
>
minidub
> > Honestly I am surprised that you have taken his lyrics
> > literally - Buju doesn't advocate the actual killing
> > of batty-boys, only verbal murder through potent lyrics.
> >
> > Boom boom, bye bye, with his armory of rapid fire wit !
>
> its not "boom boom bye bye" michael, its "boom bye bye". have you ever
heard
> the song?
>
hahahahaha. nice.
> and yeah those lyrics are meant to be about verbal murder. boom bye bye in
a
> batty bwoys head...sounds pretty damn literal to me.
>
> if i were you, on that trip to mecca kingston, i would watch my back. you
> might find out the harsh realitiy of local views on gays the hard way down
> there.
>
> one love
> jah bill
he's a pedophile, as opposed to gay...
peace, michele.
Lars Rindelöf
That pretty much sums up ( if I have not misinpreted you totally) what I was
trying to say below:
"How come, when listening to this discussion and for a minut closing my
eyes,I get this funny picture in my head of you all slowly wading through
the BOBO-MUD in your khaki-outfits, with binoculars around your necks and
neat little jungle-hats on your heads, looking for the untouched (and
thereby by your defintion true) virgin otherness, which is not really the
otherness at all, but the darkness of your own hearts?
Itry to answer that later. Have to rush now.
Lars"
Speaking of "postmodern thought". Some time a I brought one of my
non-dancehall friends (many of my friend does not share, or are even able to
understand my love for this music. They just look at me, with their mouths
wide-open, slowly shaking their heads evertime I am trying to bring the
subject up) to a dance... The mic-man and selector were in top-form and busy
working up the crowd. My friend (never been exposed to anything like it)
took me aside leaned toward me and, more or less for himself, whispered: "I
wonder if this would represent Derridas worst nightmare... Or if he would
actually like it... This most be the ultimate expression for
post-structuralism ever performed... Unbelieveble...)
Lars
in article 20010727173447...@ng-mo1.aol.com, Janestaal at
jane...@aol.com wrote on 1-07-27 23.34:
Lee O'Neill
"jAM-EEL" <flreg...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> I dont hate Dancehall , I understand the Culture, Ive heard alot of
> good stuff and a shit load of well, let me say average stuff, but most
> of it pales in comparism to some Nyahbinghi Drum or some Roots, The
> slackness and gun talk abound, Its all lyric based
OK - these are reasonable opinions, although I don't share them.
> and the
> accompaniements are usually a 2 beat and taptap cymbal. Not much
> inspiration there in the musical arrangement ,
This is a gross oversimplification and not entirely accurate, either.
Personally, my favorite style of Jamaican pop music (aka as reggae) is,
depending on my mood, mid-to late 60s or mid-to-late 70s because I
appreciate the interplay of musicians, the tightness of the drum/bass/rhythm
guitar groove and some real quality singing. I don't find those qualities
in today's style and I don't listen to it all that much. However, your
characterization of it as "2 beat and taptap cymbal" is just clearly wrong.
> Although there are
> talented DJ's who deserve respect , Dancehall is 2nd Fiddle to the
> Roots. Always will be !!
I'd suggest you need to take another look at your musical history. When Tom
the Great Sebastian, Duke Reid and Clement Dodd were setting up their sound
systems and laying the foundation of what would become reggae, they were
playing the dancehall of their day. Reggae was BORN in the dancehall, it
was created for the dancehall and it will always fundamentally BE dancehall
music. Styles of dancing may change, styles of music may change, but at its
heart, reggae lives in the dancehall.
Lee O'Neill
L.Hacken
...and what about tripe girl? I've always wondered if Leroy Sibbles might
have some "issues" with women.
--
Larry Hacken
HEAVYWEIGHT Sound
KZYX & KZYZ FM
Mendocino County, California
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"Mick Sleeper" <nos...@newsranger.com> wrote in message
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> There are some songs that I refuse to listen to because of their lyrics or
> sentiments. Best example: "I've Got The Handle" by The Heptones which is
very
> violent and mysoginist ("don't try to fight me girl/you'll need first
aid"). But
> I can't think of any artists that I don't listen to because of their
off-record
> lives. Actors & actresses, though - but that's another story.
>
Ska Canada
>
> yeah youre right , i had forgotten all about that song but i never could
> make it through it...esp when the woman started screaming her head off...
>
I have only ever listen to "the boiler" in its
entirety once. Never again though.
Regards,
Billy
Canadian Ska/Reggae Events
http://welcome.to/SkaCanada
Ska Canada
>
> NO!!
> Never
> I only run away at live concerts when the backing band sucks
>
Hahahahahahahaha :)
Regards,
Billy
Cryst...@webtv.net
yes, there are artists i prefer above others....
i prefer not to listen to anything about guns altho the murder subject
may not be literal, the concept is there...
or to listen to ani-homosexual songs, or to those that talk about women
like objects for men...
i see it as personal preference......based on my own spiritual and life
beleifs.
much respect,
Crystal
Guava Baby
> And to address the criticizms that sanchez
> claims to be christian and then has "unchristian" lyrics (whatever that
> means)...it is as if you want people to function in a binary system, this way
> or that, black or white, rasta or christian...
No, I'd just like to keep hypocrisy to a minimum. I certainly understand that all
humans have contradictions, and I accept that you can be a Christian but have some
beliefs that are not in keeping with the particular brach of Christianity you
espouse. Fine. No problem whatsoever. But if you're going to more or less market
yourself as a Christian (when it suits you), it seems to me that you should make
at least *some* effort to actually live your life consistently with those beliefs.
So if you think there's nothing wrong with adultery perhaps you shouldn't shout so
loudly what a pious Christian you are.
Leigh
Mick Sleeper
Ska Canada had this to say...
>refuse to listen to, but in terms of songs I would
>have to say "The Boiler" by the Specials (or
>Special AKA or whatever they called themselves
>at the time). A song about rape that is very
>disturbing and very hard to listen to.
And that was Rhoda Dakar's point when she made the record - it's really
disturbing. Jerry Dammers once said "that's a record that's meant to be heard
once and that's enough". It's true - I've only listened to "The Boiler" once and
have never forgotten it.
Mick Sleeper
Lars Rindelöf
guav...@mindspring.com wrote on 1-07-28 17.55:
To be honest, aren´t you a bit naive here?
If "adultary" as exposed in popular music is a problem for you, there are
certainly not much music left for you to listen at all (wether the artist in
question claims to be a Christian, Rastafari or whatever...)
But maybe you are a Rastafarian or symphatisis with their "rightousness...
Who claim to live by the book, but in general doesn´t (the big Crooner and
notorious Ladies man Bob Marley included) pay that much attention to the
famous lines : Thou Shall not commit Adultery.
Shame on you Bob!!!
Lars
Janestaal
As for me, well, I'll stay in the north, enjoy the diversity, and stick with
reggae.
I do hear however that rent is cheap down in the bible belt...
JBo4471057
revolutionary music is a commentary on status quo; a critical questioning of
social conditioning. While you dont have to like all lyrics, you should
appreciate their ability to be heard; freedom of expression.
During slavery the it became 'ilegal' in certain places for the slaves to
dance. Slave owners and other white patriarchal figures said that when africans
danced, their feet crossed over each other symbolizing the denouncing of god.
The extent of B.S. that people will conjure up to quiet, harness, and dissolve
that which is new, strong, and powerful is scary.
Guava Baby
> For the most part you guys are still shocking me with your conservatism. Most
> revolutionary music is a commentary on status quo; a critical questioning of
> social conditioning. While you dont have to like all lyrics, you should
> appreciate their ability to be heard; freedom of expression.
So ... ok, but who's complaining about revolutionary music? Most of the complaints
have been about sexist songs. That's hardly revolutionary - if anything it's status
quo. The Boiler was definitely revolutionary, but I don't think anyone's complaining
about it in the sense of suggesting that it shouldn't have been made - more like
saying it was too well done.
> During slavery the it became 'ilegal' in certain places for the slaves to
> dance. Slave owners and other white patriarchal figures said that when africans
> danced, their feet crossed over each other symbolizing the denouncing of god.
> The extent of B.S. that people will conjure up to quiet, harness, and dissolve
> that which is new, strong, and powerful is scary.
Uh... ok, maybe some people but I don't hear anyone here doing so. Surely everyone
has the right not to spend money on ideas they don't like? Surely without that you
cannot truly have free speech?
Leigh
Ras Mikael Enoch
>But maybe you are a Rastafarian or symphatisis with their "rightousness...
>Who claim to live by the book, but in general doesn´t (the big Crooner and
>notorious Ladies man Bob Marley included) pay that much attention to the
>famous lines : Thou Shall not commit Adultery.
>Shame on you Bob!!!
Was Bob Marley sleeping with married women ?
Or were they single who wanted his children...
Was Bob comitting Adultery ?
I know of biblical patriarchs who had many wives.
Could you explain ?
_____________________________
Ras Mikael Enoch
http://www.rasmikaelenoch.com
Scandinavia is Irie !
Guava Baby
I'm not sure if you're replying to my post (it would really help if you would
quote the post you're responding to - I know AOL doesn't make it easy, but it
would be helpful). If you are, thanks, but I'm not a believer so I don't have
any particular interest in Christian music (most of which is brutally awful). I
just don't like hypocrisy. If a singer professes one belief in one song and the
opposite in the next - that's crap.
Leigh
Ras Mikael Enoch
Lee O'Neill wrote:
>Reggae was BORN in the dancehall, it
>was created for the dancehall and it will always fundamentally BE dancehall
>music. Styles of dancing may change, styles of music may change, but at its
>heart, reggae lives in the dancehall.
>
>Lee O'Neill
Very important point to drive home regularily,
when newcomers to reggae music are caught-up
in anti-Dancehall rhetoric.
Reggae music has always been in the dancehall !
rasadam
not into reggae versions cat stevens songs cause he supported the
killing of salmon rushdie. One thing that came to mind was the ras
shiloh cd i have that collects dust. i saw him at spirit of unity and
thought he was a pretty good artist, then I read this scathing thread on
RMR about how bad his dissed his management team(was that carlos
culture?) who did a lot for him. i decided i would wait to ask shiloh
his side of it before i promoted him on my radio show by playing his
music. and i have not had a chance to and hence censored myself w/ that
cd. I try not to play sex and violence lyrics on my show and so there is
some more self censorship. There is so much good roots music old and new
that there is plenty to fill my 2 hours a week. If jah cure WAS guilty
of rape would i play his music?
I don't know I think that crime ranks up there as one of the worst
possible next to murder. I think JA law system is a real joke mess, so I
feel like the facts are not out on that one... but food fe thought. a
Lars Rindelöf
One important thing you seem to forget though, which somewhat blurs your
reasoning on the matter, is the fact that danchall is an aesthetic on its
own, a totaly new kind of (neo) protest movement which came to life e during
those years in the early eighties. The dancehall became a sanctuary and the
only place for protest, a place where you could hear all those x-rated tunes
indirectly bashing out against middle-class Jamaica. The clothes, the
dance-moves and the pounding bass was the birth of something completely new.
An era in which the forefront and progressive side of Jamaican music still
prevails and reigns.That is how the Jamaican public knows the dancehall. And
why should we invent another one for them?
Lars
in article 9jvli...@drn.newsguy.com, Ras Mikael Enoch at
Ras_m...@newsguy.com wrote on 1-07-29 02.32:
Lars Rindelöf
Ras_m...@newsguy.com wrote on 1-07-29 01.51:
For some reason I was convinced it worked both ways.
But maybe our moral codes concerning that matter differs.
(To make Rita sing songs dedicated to his mistresses during his concerts
can´t be considered that fair though...)
jah bill
:-)
--
one love
rasta 4 I
jah bill
"Ska Canada" <liqui...@reggaemail.com> wrote in message
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JABergmann
>(To make Rita sing songs dedicated to his mistresses during his concerts
>can´t be considered that fair though...)
Greets Lars
Have you seen the PBS special on Bob? My wife and I were watching it, and she
was going on about how unfair it was towards Rita, etc. but if you watch her
talk about being by Bob's side during his passing on, she told him to go
towards the light etc...she knew that this was a prophet, and she is honoured
to be his Queen. Even my wife was convinced of this after watching how she
described her relationship with Bob. Why judge? He took care of ALL his
children...Bob was no "dead-beat" dad! All of his children carry the Marley
name. Although I personally would never have a chance to do that in my
particular cultural situation, we can't over-shadow his message with trivial
cultural details.
Peace
Jeff
john-terry
sent home - this was in the mid 70s, but sometimes yu just can't forget.
"Akee123" <ake...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> I'm curious to know if there are some artists people won't listent o
because of
Lee O'Neill
"Lars Rindelöf" <lars.r...@chello.se> wrote in message
news:B7894C75.F2FA%lars.r...@chello.se...
>
> One important thing you seem to forget though, which somewhat blurs your
> reasoning on the matter, is the fact that danchall is an aesthetic on its
> own, a totaly new kind of (neo) protest movement which came to life e
during
> those years in the early eighties. The dancehall became a sanctuary and
the
> only place for protest, a place where you could hear all those x-rated
tunes
> indirectly bashing out against middle-class Jamaica. The clothes, the
> dance-moves and the pounding bass was the birth of something completely
new.
> An era in which the forefront and progressive side of Jamaican music still
> prevails and reigns.That is how the Jamaican public knows the dancehall.
And
> why should we invent another one for them?
I'm not saying we should, but I am saying that to describe it in that manner
isn't consistent with the way that reggae has grown over the past 45 years.
There are Jamaicans who would say that ska "is an aesthetic on its own, a
totally new kind of (neo) protest movement which came to life during those
years in the early 60s." Even consider reggae, which has become the music's
generic name. Look at pictures from before the development of the reggae
style and from just a couple of years after. In the before picture, you
have white shirts, shined shoes, pretty dresses, neatly coiffed hair, etc.
In the after, you have T-shirts, dreadlocks and sexy dresses. It's the same
kind of thing that happened in the 80s, although I'll give the modern
dancehall era this - this style's hold on the public has lasted far longer
than it's predecessors.
The dancehall itself, as an enclosure where an entrepreneur charges
admission for the opportunity to hear hot new music at bone-shaking volume,
has *always* been a place to hear x-rated tunes, attacks and/or humor
directed against middle-class Jamaica, songs about having fun and love
songs. Somewhere along the line, explicitly political and religious
material became acceptable, but not a whole lot else has changed in a
fundamental way.
As a musical/descriptive term, the first time I heard dancehall used in a
musical sense was in the late 70s in reference to the style that was
developing with Barrington Levy/Roots Radics/Junjo. It was used
interchangeably with rub a dub and identified a style typified by producers
like Junjo, Linval Thompson and Niney (working at Channel One), singers like
Levy, Sugar Minott and Johnny Osbourne and DJs like Lee Van Cliff, Lui Lepke
and Michigan & Smilie. At the time, it was used in reaction to the
roots/cultural style of Marley, Tosh, Black Uhuru, Israel Vibration to
identify music that was still being played in Jamaican sound systems. It
was, more often than not, deliberately counterrevolutionary and emphasized
the dancing/partying and everyday life concerns that are the essential
nature of the sound system aesthetic.
When the more formal use of dancehall emerged with the computerized
Jammy/Steely & Clevie style in the mid-80s, it was in response to a
revolution that was more based in technology and musical production than
anything else, but the cultural aspects of the late 80s dancehall weren't
all that different from the cultural aspects of the early 80s dancehall - if
anything, they represented the early 80s taken to an extreme. As the total
sound system/dancehall culture has evolved, it has changed tremendously but,
it seems to me, in a very linear way, much the way that reggae evolved in
the late 60s up to the dancehall/rubadub break.
I don't think we're seriously disagreeing here, Lars, but I'd suggest that
that long history of this music shows several examples of how changes in the
music and the society at large are reflected in the dancehall. There are
many specific differences, but the shift of boogie to ska, of rock steady to
reggae, of reggae to dancehall/rubadub are all of a very clear pattern.
One Love,
Lee O'Neill
Ska Canada
jah bill wrote in message <9k068...@enews1.newsguy.com>...
>ive got a 12" version...
>
>:-)
>
Damn you :) I only have it on compact disc.
Jesse I
<snip>
> If jah cure WAS guilty
> of rape would i play his music?
> I don't know I think that crime ranks up there as one of the worst
> possible next to murder. I think JA law system is a real joke mess, so I
> feel like the facts are not out on that one... but food fe thought. a
This was a tough one for me too... I thought about it very seriously
when it first happened, and I decided that it's not for me to judge -
with the way things are over there, only Jah know really. And when it
comes down to it, if the music is 100% positive, that's good enough for
me... If a hypocrite is singing words of righteousness, they're still
words of righteousness, which can a positive effect in their own right.
but having asked Jah Cure about this personally, and having had him
explain his innocence to me, I've taking his word as truth. Free Jah
Cure!
--
--- Jesse I --- Chant Down Babylon
je...@cnl.com.au Melbourne, Australia
http://www.chantdown.com 106.7 PBS FM / Sat 3-5pm
Harald Hammarstrom
>
> It also has crossed my mind, this brethren I know who used to be involved in satanism
> but fortunately changed his way, showed it to me.
> I do not have the cover here, but it is the goat head above the building (studio, I
> believe) so even when it is the babylonian shituation dreads find themselves in, I
> wonder why is it the studio, should it confirm what I think?
> Fact is that Lee Perry states in an interview held recently, that he dislikes dread
> and think they're "fucking dangerous" and that he wants to call his new studio
> the "white ark", because he did not like the spiritual talkings of the dreads aropund
> him.
I recognize those lines too but Lee Perry has said _a lot_ of things. No
wonder if one's wife is a vampire :-)
Harald
Harald Hammarstrom
> >>
> >> Matthew 5:39
> >> But I say to you, do not resist an evil person; but whoever slaps you
> >> on your right cheek, turn the other to him also.
> >
> >Excellent post! And don't forget the following passages where is says
> >if someone wants your clothes give him your underwear too and if
> >someone wants you to go a mile with him, walk two miles. Or something
> >like that :-)
>
> What version of the Holy Scriptures are you reading Harald ?
> I don't ever remember reading: "underwear".
39 But I tell you, Do not resist an evil person. If someone strikes you on
the right cheek, turn to him the other also.
40 And if someone wants to sue you and take your tunic, let him have your
cloak as well.
41 If someone forces you to go one mile, go with him two miles.
Tunic, cloak, underwear same thing :-) I remember reading this in greek
a long time ago and I recall it was the piece of cloth you had under
the tunic that was to be given too but if it's rendered cloak in a modern
translation i'll take that.
Harald
Jan
> Eric Clapton, for saying that Enoch Powell was right, and blacks should be
> sent home - this was in the mid 70s, but sometimes yu just can't forget.
>
guitar, but he's obviously got some serious problems. I wonder which
came first, the heroin or the crazy thinking?
Jan
Ras Mikael Enoch
says...
>
>Eric Clapton, for saying that Enoch Powell was right, and blacks should be
>sent home - this was in the mid 70s, but sometimes yu just can't forget.
Marcus Garvey also wanted African Repatriation,
that is why the NAACP conspired against him.
Ras Mikael Enoch
says...
>
>>
>>(To make Rita sing songs dedicated to his mistresses during his concerts
>>can´t be considered that fair though...)
>
>Greets Lars
>
>Have you seen the PBS special on Bob? My wife and I were watching it, and she
>was going on about how unfair it was towards Rita, etc. but if you watch her
>talk about being by Bob's side during his passing on, she told him to go
>towards the light
That's right ---------> The Light !
Bud Light
Budweiser !
Let's all drink down some liver solvent, that cheap weak
watery American liquid called "beer".
Rita ?
She's drunk, will somebody please take the bottle from
her hand, I think she's trying to hit me, her and those
3 unclean frogs now out of Bob's mouth.
What in the fuck is she doing ?!
Go towards the Light, Rita can't handle the Guiness Stout.
_____________________________
Ras Mikael Enoch
http://www.rasmikaelenoch.com
* I like Carl Kolchak
'The Night Stalker' TV series
that much !
JABergmann
Do you ever just wake up in the morning and GIVE THANKS for another day of
Living? What exactly do you do to better the situation our Human Race is in?
Peace
Jeff
Ras Mikael Enoch
says...
>> What version of the Holy Scriptures are you reading Harald ?
>> I don't ever remember reading: "underwear".
>Tunic, cloak, underwear same thing :-) I remember reading this in greek
Underwear and greek, I see what you're saying.
Or do I ?
:-)
messian dread
say it is his image but why have an image like that. I do not know
about his first wife but I do know what he says.
May I wish you Peace and Love
Messian Dread
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Ashanti Levy
to me, jah cure's lyrics are sung with so much
feeling and soul. its very hard to imagine commiting
such a crime.
Lars Rindelöf
connection to Guavababy愀 comments about Sanchez not being hypocritical, not
a true Christian because one of his songs dealt with adultary...A notion
that I just found ridiculus.
Lars
in article 20010729041839...@ng-fy1.aol.com, JABergmann at
jaber...@aol.com wrote on 1-07-29 10.18:
>>
>> (To make Rita sing songs dedicated to his mistresses during his concerts
>> can愒 be considered that fair though...)
Lars Rindelöf
in article B78A28C4.F33C%lars.r...@chello.se, Lars Rindelöf at
lars.r...@chello.se wrote on 1-07-29 21.02:
> Well, my reply was not meant to be taken that seriously . It was made in
> connection to Guavababy´s comments about Sanchez not being hypocritical, not
> a true Christian because one of his songs dealt with adultary...A notion
> that I just found ridiculus.
>
>
> Lars
>
>
>
>
>
> in article 20010729041839...@ng-fy1.aol.com, JABergmann at
> jaber...@aol.com wrote on 1-07-29 10.18:
>
>>>
>>> (To make Rita sing songs dedicated to his mistresses during his concerts
>>> can´t be considered that fair though...)
Lars Rindelöf
was just to give a distinction between what today is commonly referred to as
dancehall music, a musical genre in itself, as many seemed utterly confused
on the subject, starting with the my post on the John Holt subject where I
made a clear distiction between dancehal as a venue, place or spot and a
musical genre with its own "foundation" tunes, that is, if you go to a clash
these days you unlikely to hear anything recorded before 1979, but rather
Tenor Saw, Barrington Levy etc...
Do you by the way know anything about Coacoa Tea´s newly released "Cycle" on
the "No vacansy" Riddim? It really sounds like anything he could have
recorded from late eighties to early nineties
It is such great song!!!
And considering some of Bujs new tunes (Ms ready Body, Soft Love-two graet
tunes) and so forth it seem like the dancehall producers is turning the
clock back just a bit... Can´t say that I am too unhappy about it, since the
last couple of years have witnessed a clear stagnation in the
riddim-building departments.
Lars
in article BnS87.5593$0w3.7...@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net, Lee
O'Neill at leeo...@earthlink.net wrote on 1-07-29 13.24:
Cryst...@webtv.net
explain his innocence to me, I've taking his word as truth. Free Jah
Cure!
--
--- Jesse I --- Chant Down Babylon
and,
(if i may ask)
did you beleie mike tyson as well?
just curious,
much respect,
Crystal
Ashanti Levy
i believe mike tyson... that lady went up there with
an agenda.
John Foster
Both sides of the 12" - "The Boiler"/"Theme From The Boiler" are
included on the triple Specials CD "Stereo-Typical A's, B's & Rarities".
This is a great collection, although it does go a bit overboard
including both 7" & 12" versions of some tunes.
--
John
Ska Canada
>
> Both sides of the 12" - "The Boiler"/"Theme From The Boiler" are
> included on the triple Specials CD "Stereo-Typical A's, B's & Rarities".
>
I both versions on the 2Tone Story collection.
Billy
John Foster
>as i said before my pal andy is
>not into reggae versions cat stevens songs cause he supported the
>killing of salmon rushdie.
Even though Cat Stevens wrote these songs some 20 years before the
Salmon Rushdie business?
--
John
jah bill
time im in the record shop, though i still have most of the stuff that
(presumably) on it, but you never know! i think it was great how receiver or
someone records released the old bootleg live stuff quasi-legitimately. long
shot kick the bucket every time...which reminds me of the pioneers breaking
into that at snwmf!
--
one love
rasta 4 I
jah bill
"John Foster" <ne...@nospam.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
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jah bill
--
one love
rasta 4 I
jah bill
"Jesse I" <je...@cnl.com.au> wrote in message
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Ska Canada
>
> huh...i dont think ive ever heard or seen that! have to look for it next
> time im in the record shop
>
I have seen it very recently in a shop in the city,
actually. It seemed quite interesting and I was
tempted to purchase. By the way, I have some
live Specials disc from some weird label... and
I must say "Longshot Kick De Bucket" is/was one
helluva good time.
P61358
'suffara ghetto yout' a few of you have finally realized that in doing so, you
were actually supplying the ammunition for the gun (so to speak). Now the gun
is pointed at the core of your believes and you want it stopped. Too late!
We've encouraged the ignorance to manifest by supporting it financially and
other wise. We have allowed our emotions to get the better of us and
overestimated their sincerity in an attempt to identify with the life style. We
were wrong, we could never in our wildest dreams understand what makes the
'suffara ghetto yout" ticks. Just like how he can never understand how you
(people that are not in his situation) ticks.
He (the yout) suffers from multiple deprivation, of which the main one is
education. So, from that perspective I don't blame him, I blame you. I blame
you for using him to perk-up your boring lives so that you can sit on your
computers and discuss whether his contribution is art or not.
Of course the question "what is art" has been debated millions of times and it
will probably be debated millions more. But, do you really think that these djs
and or singers go into the studio with the intention to create art? No! I don't
think so. I think they go into the studio to 'cut a hit tune' and make some
money and fame, to get themselves out of their situation. Their ideas are never
usually deliberate; a producer and or the public dictates it. The vast majority
of them are academically and musically illiterate, so they are just put into
the situation solely for the purpose of making money.
I'm more encouraged to think that the idea of this being art is set by that
small group that would like to identify with the life style. Since 'suffara
yout' don't try to identify with other 'suffara yout', but with wealth and
prosperity. I'm forced to think that the reverse is plausible. In that I mean,
youths from insolated, protective and some what stable well-to-do families,
far-removed from the ghettos of Kingston trying to get a peek into what it's
like to live like that, without the suffering. So the idea of this has being
art, is based more on what they think (the fan) and not the musical intention
(of the suffara yout). So if we're gonna argue that "art serves as a means to
express that in which the ARTIST chooses" then in this case it does not apply
cause it's never the choice of the djs.
I consider myself a liberal, but I cannot endorse liberalism when it takes us
to the brink of chaos. I think there's got to be some kind of structure and
standard by which one tries to achieve. So the notion that art can just be, is
too vague. That is the very idea that has allowed so many substandard works.
It's like subscribing to the idea that every painter is an artist.
>
>Why is it that (for the most part), all postmodern thought allows room in
>society for art. We accept that art serves as a means to express that in
>which
>the ARTIST chooses; wether it be through dance, prose, song or paint stroke.
>Yet, when it comes to those that are oppressed, there is an unfair desire for
>their art to be 'non-objectional' and 'passive'. Doesnt this seem reminiscent
>of the role that eurocentric society has dreamed of black culure to take; one
>of passivity. Since when does art need to be "christian" or "rasta" in
>nature?
>Cant art just be. When an artist sings of love do we accuse him of never
>feeling it? When a paniter pants a close up of the sun, do we accuse him of
>never really seeing it so close? If you want only fact, go to a science lab
>and
>stare in petri dishes all day long. And to address the criticizms that
>sanchez
>claims to be christian and then has "unchristian" lyrics (whatever that
>means)...it is as if you want people to function in a binary system, this way
>or that, black or white, rasta or christian...In the grand scheme of things
>it
>is the mixture of ideas, philosophies and such that are more powerful-the
>grey.
>You guys are starting to sound like guiliani saying that Chris Ofili's
>painting
>of the virgin mary was "unchristian". His painting was most christian
>actually,
>but even if it wasnt...so what. he is an artist, not a minister. It is
>usually
>only arrogance that makes one endorse or denounce things. While I am surely
>not
>calling for people to take a passive stance against things that they feel are
>unjust, I simply encourage you to remember what made you listen to music,
>especially reggae, in the first place.
>
>
>
Lars Rindelöf
And is there a solution?
in article 20010804144341...@mb-ma.aol.com, P61358 at
p61...@aol.com wrote on 1-08-04 20.43:
Robert Nelson
Ras Mikael Enoch wrote:
> Lars wrote:
>
> >But maybe you are a Rastafarian or symphatisis with their "rightousness...
> >Who claim to live by the book, but in general doesn´t (the big Crooner and
> >notorious Ladies man Bob Marley included) pay that much attention to the
> >famous lines : Thou Shall not commit Adultery.
> >Shame on you Bob!!!
>
> Was Bob Marley sleeping with married women ?
> Or were they single who wanted his children...
> Was Bob comitting Adultery ?
Of course he was. He was married to Rita was he not? Doesn't matter if his
conquests were married, spinster or virgin
Robert
Robert Nelson
Akee123 wrote:
> I'm curious to know if there are some artists people won't listent o because of
> their off-the-record lives they live ot becasue of their beliefs? I know
> people (as I do) find some of the Christafari ideas a bit too much. But are
> there any other artists? Surely there must be. Where do people draw the line?
>
> Cool Vibes,
> Rob
I used to love the Bad Brains and admired H.R.'s whole merging of punk, reggae and
jazz to sufferer's lyrics. Then I got to meet the guy and had a chance to interview
him on the radio and he was a complete jerk. Thank god bass player, Englishman, was
there at the time to talk to as H.R. skulked in the corner and refused to talk into
the microphone. Ever since I've thought that H.R. is just a big phony
Robert
Robert Nelson
Mick Sleeper wrote:
> There are some songs that I refuse to listen to because of their lyrics or
> sentiments. Best example: "I've Got The Handle" by The Heptones which is very
> violent and mysoginist ("don't try to fight me girl/you'll need first aid"). But
> I can't think of any artists that I don't listen to because of their off-record
> lives. Actors & actresses, though - but that's another story.
>
> = = =
> "I beg your pardon; I was not sleeping, I was thinking"
> - Mark Twain
I think you're being overly harsh on the Heptones for this one. I took the playful
nature of the whole song to be one of sparring between two lovers. I can't imagine
Leroy Sibbles to be the sort that would give a reluctant girlfriend a beating
Robert
Robert Nelson
Jamaal still around? I'd love a coffee table type book a la, Stir It Up, of his
paintings. A post of Spear's Hail HIM sits over my computer at home.
Robert
Messian Dread wrote:
> Ire Greetings,
> > if that is a satanic building on the ital corner, it might be there to
> > represent the babylon neighborhood that the dreads have to dwell in to
> > survive...
Robert Nelson
Jan wrote:
> "john-terry" <john-...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message news:<HkR87.40545$SK6.4...@news6-win.server.ntlworld.com>...
> > Eric Clapton, for saying that Enoch Powell was right, and blacks should be
> > sent home - this was in the mid 70s, but sometimes yu just can't forget.
> >
> He said that? I never heard about that episode. The man can play a
> guitar, but he's obviously got some serious problems. I wonder which
> came first, the heroin or the crazy thinking?
>
> Jan
Clapton is one of the worst cultural vampires. A guy who had no problem earning a living copping blues riffs and whose
biggest hit was from Bob Marley but then went on to espouse racist thinking that blacks were causing the problems in
English society. When I posted this hypocrisy a few years back somebody responded that even when Clapton "apologized" he
still botched it and managed to whine that he was being picked on or something. At least Elvis Costello apologized for
calling Ray Charles a nigger.
Robert
Robert Nelson
John Foster wrote:
Is this 3 disk set still available? Label? How can you quibble over
completist overkill :-). Wish something existed in the same fashion for The
(English) Beat!
Robert
Robert Nelson
John Foster wrote:
You know I'm not going to say that it was right to go after Rushdie for
Satantic Verses. But one of the themes of that book is that the Prophet
Muhammad was a pimp and his wives were whores. Do you think that if
someone wrote a book saying that Jesus was pimping a gay stable of his
Twelve Disciples that the fundamentalist Christians would have taken
that in jest?
Rushdie has always been a self hating Muslim and thought that he could
get away with "irony" and "satire" because he was hanging out with
British socialites. Now they've turned him into some sort of demi god of
free speech. It's a disgrace. I don't find anything noble about
insulting the belief system of a billion people. As we say in Montana he
wrote a check with his mouth that his ass couldn't cash
Robert
messian dread
I can make a scan of the cover (could take a while because it is not
here but somewhere else hard ti get there as well at the moment but in
a few weeks time), I was really asking what it means, I do not say
that the painter has a secret satanic agenda, not my words, maybe on
the contrary the painter has tried to say something which I also
think?
May I wish you Peace and Love
messian dread
<rne...@library.utah.edu> wrote:
>You know I'm not going to say that it was right to go after Rushdie for
>Satantic Verses. But one of the themes of that book is that the Prophet
>Muhammad was a pimp and his wives were whores. Do you think that if
>someone wrote a book saying that Jesus was pimping a gay stable of his
>Twelve Disciples that the fundamentalist Christians would have taken
>that in jest?
This actually happenned a little like that, I mean the movie, but
afaik no fatwa was being spoken out against the makers of the movies.
I have seen signature list actions and thing, but that is not
comparable with death threads eeehhh commands. But I agree with you
that it is very insultive and also unneccesary to espress irony in
such vulgar terms.
>
>Robert
Ska Canada
>
> Is this 3 disk set still available? Label? How can you quibble over
> completist overkill :-). Wish something existed in the same fashion for The
> (English) Beat!
>
> Robert
Yes, I saw it in the store a few weeks ago.
Ska Canada
>
> Is this 3 disk set still available? Label? How can you quibble over
> completist overkill :-). Wish something existed in the same fashion for The
> (English) Beat!
>
> Robert
You can find it on http://www.cdnow.com
Regards,
Billy
Jan
That's the type of thing I meant with the heroin/weird mentality post
earlier. After I decided not to listen to his music anymore,
everything I ever heard him supposedly saying was a whine about "poor
him" and how bad his life is or events are for him. Just as a woman I
didn't like what I used to hear about him. He's a jerk, I mean, what
kind of person tries for years to get a close friend's wife? That's
nasty. Then drops her cause she doesn't give him any offspring. Even
nastier. But ignores a daughter somewhere around. There are rock stars
and rock stars (and reggae stars and reggae stars, he he).
Another thing I read once (all hearsay of course!) was someone in the
music industry saying Clapton had an obsessive personality - the
music, the heroin, Patty Boyd, wanting a child etc etc. So maybe he
just never saw the right psychiatrist?
At least Elvis Costello apologized for
> calling Ray Charles a nigger.
OOOh, now there's a name that started a huge riot in Sydney years ago.
My friends & I just got out of his concert seconds before the shit
(and nailed-to-the-floor seats) started flying. He took over from
Frank Sinatra as being our journo's most hated performer. LOL
Jan
>
> Robert
Bjahn1
the microphone. Ever since I've thought that H.R. is just a big phony
>>
and now he is a born again christian....
Lizzie
> earlier. After I decided not to listen to his music anymore,
> everything I ever heard him supposedly saying was a whine about "poor
> him" and how bad his life is or events are for him. Just as a woman I
> didn't like what I used to hear about him. He's a jerk, I mean, what
> kind of person tries for years to get a close friend's wife? That's
> nasty. Then drops her cause she doesn't give him any offspring. Even
> nastier. But ignores a daughter somewhere around. There are rock stars
> and rock stars (and reggae stars and reggae stars, he he).
>
> Another thing I read once (all hearsay of course!) was someone in the
> music industry saying Clapton had an obsessive personality - the
> music, the heroin, Patty Boyd, wanting a child etc etc. So maybe he
> just never saw the right psychiatrist?
>
>
whatsoever. But if you choose not to appreciate music, books, art,
etc. because you do not personally like the artist then you are
certainly limiting your choices. The world is full of artistic jerks.
Does an artist have to be a wonderful person to create great art?
Eric Clapton has certainly had his moments. He is by no means
perfect. He has admitted to some very destructive behavior, both to
himself and others and I am not here to defend his past mistakes. But
I am going to give him some credit for his efforts to help alcoholics
and drugs addicts, both financially and personally. Did you know that
he personally financed the building of the Crossroads Center? Did you
know that he has worked as an unpaid volunteer at a rehab clinic in
London? And, far from ignoring his daughter, I have seem them
together at concerts and other events, and they seem to have a very
good relationship.
We are talking about a very complex person, not a one dimensional
"rock star".
Lizzie
Ras Mikael Enoch
says...
>
><< H.R. skulked in the corner and refused to talk into
>the microphone. Ever since I've thought that H.R. is just a big phony
> >>
>
>
>and now he is a born again christian....
References -
Are there any written statements, reports,
interviews, that substantiate that ?
_____________________________
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http://www.rasmikaelenoch.com
NASDAQ at 1860
Die Silicon Valley !
Welcome To California
Now Go Home !
Jan
> Everyone has a right to choose not to listen to music for any reason
> whatsoever. But if you choose not to appreciate music, books, art,
> etc. because you do not personally like the artist then you are
> certainly limiting your choices. The world is full of artistic jerks.
> Does an artist have to be a wonderful person to create great art?
.... No. I do know what you are saying, but neither does an
"appreciator"(?) of music, art etc have to support that artiste if
they disagree with the things the person does. I may be limiting my
choices, but if I make that choice, then it doesn't bother me and I
certainly never feel I'm missing out on anything. Another example I
mentioned some time back was Miles Davis, now from all reports he
physically bashed the women in his life. I will not support any
f*cker that bashes women. I wouldn't care if he invented the vinyl
record and was a musical genius. Not giving him my money or support.
That's my choice, as it is others' choice to support someone with
opposing morals, ethics, behaviour whatever, if they choose to.
>
> Eric Clapton has certainly had his moments. He is by no means
> perfect. He has admitted to some very destructive behavior, both to
> himself and others and I am not here to defend his past mistakes. But
> I am going to give him some credit for his efforts to help alcoholics
> and drugs addicts, both financially and personally. Did you know that
> he personally financed the building of the Crossroads Center? Did you
> know that he has worked as an unpaid volunteer at a rehab clinic in
> London?
No I didn't know but that doesn't change my opinion of him. Do junkies
in UK (I also don't believe there is such a thing as EX-junkie) have
to do volunteer work if they claim to have reformed? A lot of them do
similar stuff here, often by court orders. I cannot believe that as a
junkie he didn't rip people off - either before, during or after his
good-deeds. He certainly never gave Bob Marley any noticeable credit
for "I Shot The Sheriff".
And, far from ignoring his daughter, I have seem them
> together at concerts and other events, and they seem to have a very
> good relationship.
Good, about time. It took him long enough.
>
> We are talking about a very complex person, not a one dimensional
> "rock star".
He he. Everyone on the planet is complex. Even people who may be
described as one dimensional do have other sides to their
personalities. The world is possibly full of jerks too, artistic or
not. I'd say it's up the individual just where one draws the line at
what is personally acceptable.
Still, I will give him credit for letting his ex-fans know where he
stands with regards to some stuff, so we can make a choice.
Jan
>
> Lizzie
jah bill
news:ad112b82.01081...@posting.google.com...
> junkie he didn't rip people off - either before, during or after his
> good-deeds.
oh come on. do you think the likes of eric clapton or for that matter keith
richards have to skulk around alleyways stealing old ladies purses? he may
be a junkie in the addict sense, but i am sure eric clapton was never
hurting for money to satisify his craving and didnt need to rip anyone off.
>He certainly never gave Bob Marley any noticeable credit
> for "I Shot The Sheriff".
do you mean to say that song isnt credited on whatever album it was on (by
clapton, i mean)?
i'm not defending him in what he purported says in public but i think youre
being a bit harsh in your judgements.
one love
jah bill
Lee O'Neill
"Lizzie" <Tusca...@aol.com> wrote
> But if you choose not to appreciate music, books, art,
> etc. because you do not personally like the artist then you are
> certainly limiting your choices.
That's certainly true, but we are faced with so many choices to make in our
lives and any system of limiting choices makes as much sense as any other.
> The world is full of artistic jerks.
> Does an artist have to be a wonderful person to create great art?
But is great art really the standard? Most of the music I listen to could
never be considered "Great Art." It's pleasant, entertaining, educational
and occasionally spiritual. When it's good, it can express a sense of
community or culture. When it's really good, it can express something of
the musician's life or perception of self or the world. But I don't expect
most of what I play on my CD player to create the kind of deep, profound
emotional connection that I associate with "Great Art."
> We are talking about a very complex person, not a one dimensional
> "rock star".
We are all complex people, though, aren't we?
One Love,
Lee O'Neill
Jan
I may well be, Bill, I'm harsh against all junkies. I developed my
opinion of junkies when I mixed mainly with musos - from the mid 60s
onwards - from here & overseas. It did finally get to the point where
I would not even waste my spit on any of them - and I am still like
that.
Nah, I doubt if EC or KR knicked old ladies' purses, lol, sorry, that
just gave me a funny mental picture. More of the business ripping
off, which as far as I can tell hasn't changed much, though in all
fairness one does not need to be a junkie to do that, it seems a
required part of the business, he he.
And I no longer have that Clapton lp to check what the credits were
(funny that too, I was poking around on the net to see what I could
find and one site says it was released in 1987 which is totally wrong,
I bought it way back in the early or mid 70s, I even went and saw him
in concert - before I decided I wouldn't support junkies anymore,
including those I personally knew). It was more the usual industry
crap that I heard afterwards, and to be honest I can't recall what it
was I heard, we're talking what? 25 or so years ago, but different
people I knew in music all had dealings, stories, info with him or his
cronies and I was just not impressed. fwiw, I saw a tv show on
Marianne Faithful the other week. God help us, she was awful. And
what really turned me off was her apparent disregard for any &
everyone else because of her habit, which she seemed to expect some
sort of sympathy & leniency about. Same thing.
Anyway, I'll shut up. I admit I do get (at least a bit) irrational if
I start talking about junkies. Not a good idea.
PS - Disclaimer - I am not a junkie, nor have I ever considered taking
the stuff.
Jan
>
> one love
> jah bill