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raggamufin

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Oct 31, 1999, 2:00:00 AM10/31/99
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Greetings,
I have seen many references to "Roots" lately, and I am just
wondering if I have the correct understading of the term... I have
always thought it applied to "Conscious" music, but maybe this is only
true when used as in "Roots & Culture"?
Respects,
Ragga:)


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roland z

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Nov 1, 1999, 3:00:00 AM11/1/99
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In article <11f733ec...@usw-ex0101-008.remarq.com>, raggamufin

<raggamufi...@netscape.net.invalid> wrote:
> Greetings,
> I have seen many references to "Roots" lately, and I am just
> wondering if I have the correct understading of the term... I have
> always thought it applied to "Conscious" music, but maybe this is
> only
> true when used as in "Roots & Culture"?

The term for me--and I may be in a minority on this--refers not to the
lyrical content but to production aesthetics, much as one would apply
the term to early rock-n-roll and blues recordings. In such a scenario
the immediacy of the perfomance rises above the time and energy spent
on production, mono is prefered over stereo, live-in-studio over
multi-tracking, one or two mics over multiple mics. By this
definition, the "roots" period pretty much ended by the mid-70's, i.e.
once the production standards set by Marley's "Catch A Fire" became the
industry norm, rather than, let's say, the Studio One sound of this
period. Personaly, I prefer the latter. Like I said, though, I'm sure
many will disagree.

roland z

Joshua B

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Nov 1, 1999, 3:00:00 AM11/1/99
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On Sun, 31 Oct 1999 22:14:18 -0800, raggamufin
<raggamufi...@netscape.net.invalid> wrote:

> Greetings,
> I have seen many references to "Roots" lately, and I am just
>wondering if I have the correct understading of the term... I have
>always thought it applied to "Conscious" music, but maybe this is only
>true when used as in "Roots & Culture"?

> Respects,
> Ragga:)

Good question. Personally, I would rather not segregate reggae music
in terms of "roots" and "dancehall." If we *have* to categorize, I
would say a lot of my favorite music falls into both categories. Acts
including Eric "Monty" Morris, The Wailers, Alton Ellis, Johnny
Clarke, Don Carlos, Barry Brown, Freddie McGregor, Garnet Silk,
Luciano, and even Bounty Killer made/make music was initially
supported by dancehall sound systems. And they sing about many
themes--roots, reality, and culture. Many older reggae fans will say
anything that uses a synthesizer and drum machine is not roots, but I
would disagree.

shok...@my-deja.com

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I submit that "roots" is a feeling....
Roots,
:-)
Shok


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shok...@my-deja.com wrote:
>
> I submit that "roots" is a feeling....
> Roots,
> :-)
> Shok

Because: Roots derives from blues and gospel.
Also known as: Folk music.

raggamufin

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Nov 1, 1999, 3:00:00 AM11/1/99
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Greetings,
Thanks for the insight. I can see that.... there is a certain feeling
about some music, a purity.......that can bring a tear to my eye, or a
smile to my face, or maybe both:)
Thanks,
Ragga:)

Raggamufin

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Nov 2, 1999, 3:00:00 AM11/2/99
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By the way, that was a thanks to all who replied.....
I sould have been more clear:)
Respects,
Ragga:)

Joshua B

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Nov 2, 1999, 3:00:00 AM11/2/99
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On Mon, 01 Nov 1999 22:27:30 -0800, raggamufin
<raggamufi...@netscape.net.invalid> wrote:

> Greetings,
> Thanks for the insight. I can see that.... there is a certain feeling
>about some music, a purity.......that can bring a tear to my eye, or a
>smile to my face, or maybe both:)
> Thanks,
> Ragga:)

Here is an example of passion for reggae, conveyed positively. How
refreshing on rmr. You made my day Ragga.

Raggamufin

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Nov 2, 1999, 3:00:00 AM11/2/99
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Greetings Joshua B:),
I was just being honest......
But, I am glad that the I is having an upful day:)

tonyR

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Nov 3, 1999, 3:00:00 AM11/3/99
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Greetings to all in the name of Jah

Many have given their interpretations of the word "Roots" as pertaining to
music. This is true in most regards. However, the word "Roots" in it's
original form always referred to the Afrikan and more so to I&I western
born Afrikans of the Diaspora. As it is applied to Reggae music, it is a
music rooted in our Afrikanness our Ancestors. The tree has a stalk,
branches, leaves and fruit all supported by Its Roots, one of it's primary
life giver. Seen. This has always been my understanding of the word "Roots"

TonyR

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Steely

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Nov 3, 1999, 3:00:00 AM11/3/99
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Fe real, the roots are the heart of the tree and support the branches that
stem from it, just like ones origins are ones roots, we are the branches.


--
Raspect,
Steely.

'Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves,
be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves'.
St Matthew 10 16.


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Raggamufin

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Steely <Ste...@bham.junglelink.co.uk> wrote in message
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> Fe real, the roots are the heart of the tree and support the branches that
> stem from it, just like ones origins are ones roots, we are the
branches.
>
>
> --
> Raspect,
> Steely.
>
> 'Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves,
> be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves'.
> St Matthew 10 16.
>
>
> tonyR <X...@XXX.XXX> wrote in message news:7vpv1d$5b...@icet.net.nih.gov...
> > Greetings to all in the name of Jah
> >
> > Many have given their interpretations of the word "Roots" as pertaining
to
> > music. This is true in most regards. However, the word "Roots" in it's
> > original form always referred to the Afrikan and more so to I&I western
> > born Afrikans of the Diaspora. As it is applied to Reggae music, it is a
> > music rooted in our Afrikanness our Ancestors. The tree has a stalk,
> > branches, leaves and fruit all supported by Its Roots, one of it's
primary
> > life giver. Seen. This has always been my understanding of the word
> "Roots"
> >
> > TonyR


Greetings,
I can see that view as well............ although I am not looking at it
from the same perspective, having different heritage....
So a roots feel in R&B, Blues or Soul might be different , for
some, and a roots feel for Reggae might also be different for another,
depending on their heritage.......
"Some Are Leaves.....Some Are Branches...... I and I are the
Roots...." The Hon. Robert Nesta Marley of course:-)
Respects,
Ragga:)


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Raggamufin

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Nov 4, 1999, 3:00:00 AM11/4/99
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> Greetings,
> I can see that view as well............ although I am not looking at it
> from the same perspective, having different heritage....
> So a roots feel in R&B, Blues or Soul might be different , for
> some, and a roots feel for Reggae might also be different for another,
> depending on their heritage.......
> "Some Are Leaves.....Some Are Branches...... I and I are the
> Roots...." The Hon. Robert Nesta Marley of course:-)
> Respects,
> Ragga:)
>
Greetings Again:-),
on further consideration......I think i phrased the above wrong...........
I am looking at it from a different perspective, having different
heritage....
But since R&B, Soul, Blues, and Reggae all derive from African
Roots......I didn't mean to imply that they would be different from each
other, depending on ones heritage........But having said that, I think the
"roots" feeling is still powerful to most, regardless of the heritage,
although maybe for a different reason...............Now personally, I like
it all......even Country, well some Country anyways, the Country that has
that other kind of roots feel.......not the Commercial stuff:-)
But then my family comes from a long line of hillbillys, so I guess
it's just my heritage:-)
Respects,
Ragga:-)

Robert Schoenfeld

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Nov 5, 1999, 3:00:00 AM11/5/99
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Country music, as has been stated here in the past, has always been an
important part of the Jamaican musical landscape and an influence on
many reggae artists to varying degrees. And certainly traditional
country music is roots folk music. Feel no way.

roland z

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Nov 5, 1999, 3:00:00 AM11/5/99
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>...Now personally, I like
> it all......even Country, well some Country anyways, the Country that
has
> that other kind of roots feel.......not the Commercial stuff:-)
> But then my family comes from a long line of hillbillys, so I
guess
> it's just my heritage:-)
> Respects,
> Ragga:-)

Ragga,
Let me be the first to sing the praises of Hank Williams Snr. I'll
love the man's music till the day I die. Roooooooots, seen? What the
world needs now is a ragga/hip-hop remake of "Lost Highway" or "Cool
Water." A great source for an intro to roots country is the
Smithsonian 3 or 4 CD set history of country music (I forget the exact
title). If the Graham Parsons selections don't make you cry, I don't
know what will.

forward JA music,

roland z


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Geoff

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Nov 5, 1999, 3:00:00 AM11/5/99
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I'm not much of a country music listener, but having a lot of Oakie
blood, I like listening to the Roots of country, which is the good 'ol
Bluesgrass music and pure Okie Style......give me Guthrie over Garth
Brooks anyday. Roots is Roots, whether from Europe, Africa, Aisia etc...

"A people without a knowledge of their history, is like a tree without
Roots."

Geoff

Raggamufin

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Nov 6, 1999, 3:00:00 AM11/6/99
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> Ragga,
> Let me be the first to sing the praises of Hank Williams Snr. I'll
> love the man's music till the day I die. Roooooooots, seen? What the
> world needs now is a ragga/hip-hop remake of "Lost Highway" or "Cool
> Water." A great source for an intro to roots country is the
> Smithsonian 3 or 4 CD set history of country music (I forget the exact
> title). If the Graham Parsons selections don't make you cry, I don't
> know what will.
>
> forward JA music,
>
> roland z

Yes this, and the previous post from Geoff, are desribing extactly the
type of "Roots" Country that I meant.....The Classic style of Country,
although there are some New artists that I like, mainly I like to listen to
a box of old cassettes taht my Grandfather left I when he passed away.....
I have heard some great Reggae tunes that are either covers, or
freestyles , or based on cowboy movies......
For example the Dancehall Medley on the Sunfest 5 album where Josie Wales
(named I assume for the Eastwwod character of spaghetti western fame...:) ,
alongside Briggadier Jerry, and Leroy Smart..I believe....Freestyle through
several country classics. I have not seen Lojsie live yet, but apparently
this set is one that he uses at least somewhat regularly....It is also on
the Jah Love Soundsystem concert that is on DBHawkes' site......
Also I have always liked that Cocoa Tea tune, (Once Again apparently
inspired by an Eastwood classic:), I belive it's called "Dem do The
Burying"? ...goes something like " Hey Mr. Unertaker ....... Come build Them
a Coffin.....no, no, my mistake........make that two......"
I think my friend Ranger once said that there was a reggae cover of "El
Paso" one of my favorite Marty Robbins tunes....
Does anyone know if this is true, and if so what the artist and
album is?

Respects,
Ragga:)

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