Brad Osbourne -- Clocktower/Abraham Records
Scratchfamous
I am totally confused about records on the Clocktower and Abraham Records that
are suppossedly produced by Brad Osbourne. Either this guy owns rights to
everything, had writing credits for everything or is just pirating stuff. I
have many albums on this label and often tracks are re-names and placed on
multiple compilations.
Does anyone know the history of this company?
jah bill
more or less legally from striker lee and others. then he died and somehow,
maybe through brads hard up wife, a guy named abraham in canada got the idea
to keep releasing clocktower and other stuff completely illegally evidently.
but usually the cover art is retained from orignal releases and, yes, it did
seem to me that brad osbourne pretty much listed himself as everything, but
maybe that was just one or two releases.
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jah bill
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JJerfree
to keep releasing clocktower and other stuff completely illegally >>
Thanks for your help -- but it still remains confusing why someone has not sued
the shit out of him.
Rdawta
Really good question scratch. I just picked up an album w/ Brad
Osbourne as producer and a Clocktower release. King of Dubs, and all
the Dubs have K.T's signature style. I've even heard a couple of
these tunes on a CD titled "Dub Chill Out" a various compilation of
Dubs, and it didn't mention no Brad Osbourne. Who is he by the way?
Rdawta
JJerfree
I totally agree -- There is even a release called King Tubby's African Dub
1974-1979 which seems to be a dub for dub re-cutting of Blood & Fire's Dub Gone
Crazy.
This Brad Osbourne seems totally wacked.
Werner de Bruijn
As I understand it, Brad Osbourne has been dead for years now. It's this Abraham
guy who seems to be the crook.
Werner.
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jah bill wrote:
> first there was clocktower which was brad osbourne and he licensed material,
> more or less legally from striker lee and others. then he died and somehow,
> maybe through brads hard up wife, a guy named abraham in canada got the idea
> to keep releasing clocktower and other stuff completely illegally evidently.
> but usually the cover art is retained from orignal releases and, yes, it did
> seem to me that brad osbourne pretty much listed himself as everything, but
> maybe that was just one or two releases.
>
> --
>
> one love
> rasta 4 I
> jah bill
>
>
He has now taken to releasing various titles "appropriating" the look and feel
of Blood and Fire releases (via the cover art and packaging)
Robert
Robert Nelson
JJerfree wrote:
Brad Osbourne was dead long before the Blood and Fire label appeared on the scene.
This is Eddie Abraham from Missisauga Ontario Canada
Robert
JJerfree
Do you know if this guy pays out royalties and how he has amassed such a huge
catalouge of material? But, still I do not get why Brad Osbourne (RIP
apparently) gets all the production and writer's credits.
Brian Keyo
JJerfree wrote:
Abraham is an old school bootlegger who still travels to the US in a loaded up
van. He makes semi regular trips to jammyland, among other NYC area
distributors. He pays no royalties and his "catalog" is nearly all of dubious
or illegitimate origin.
Steve Barrow can give more detail about Abraham's malignancy, and has before on
rmr.
Brad Osborne used to run Brad's Record Den in the Bronx. Lots of material was
issued on his Clocktower label, all apparently produced by others with whom Brad
might and might not have had agreements with.
He was shot to death in the mid eighties. '86 I think, in the Bronx, perhaps in
his own shop if memory serves.
Brian
Christopher Durning
the creative endeavors of others. Some say this led to his demise (by
automatic weapon). If that was the case it would be ironic that his
catalog is being pirated
posthumously.
Ouiy Vey..
Chris D.
Erik T
downtown Mississauga is 1 big shopping mall) just outside a record store here... I
though of rmr musings I'd read but decided not to say anything... on the other
hand, I'm almost certain he gets his pressing done in NYC so the loaded van would
presumably be coming 'up' here, not going 'down' there.... /Erik
Christopher Durning
Your memory is good. He was "hit" gangland style in his office by a
machine gun toting bandito. The reasons were never clear, but there were
some here in NY who figured Brad had racked up more than enough
bad vibes with cats you don't play because of unauthorized releases and
screwey deals.
Chris D.
jah bill
:-)
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jah bill
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jah bill
"ark" <a...@blarg.net> wrote in message
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> I think there was more going on there than just record business. JA
> records is really pretty small money compared to some other "imports".
>
> Al
Robert Nelson
Brian Keyo wrote:
> JJerfree wrote:
>
> > << This is Eddie Abraham from Missisauga Ontario Canada >>
> >
> > Do you know if this guy pays out royalties and how he has amassed such a huge
> > catalouge of material? But, still I do not get why Brad Osbourne (RIP
> > apparently) gets all the production and writer's credits.
>
> Abraham is an old school bootlegger who still travels to the US in a loaded up
> van. He makes semi regular trips to jammyland, among other NYC area
> distributors. He pays no royalties and his "catalog" is nearly all of dubious
> or illegitimate origin.
Why hasn't anyone been able to sue Abraham in Canadian court to get a cease and
desist order from him?
Robert
Robert Nelson
Erik T wrote:
> Ha ha, I've seen him or a minion unloading said van downtown here (downtown T-O;
> downtown Mississauga is 1 big shopping mall) just outside a record store here... I
> though of rmr musings I'd read but decided not to say anything... on the other
> hand, I'm almost certain he gets his pressing done in NYC so the loaded van would
> presumably be coming 'up' here, not going 'down' there.... /Erik
>
His pressings are the worst. One listen to the Robert French Showcase or Carlton
Livingston Best Of is just a waste of time and money
Robert
Robert Nelson
ark wrote:
> I think there was more going on there than just record business. JA
> records is really pretty small money compared to some other "imports".
>
> Al
>
This was my understanding as well. That he ran afoul of the Jamaican posses running
"the trade" in NYC
Robert
L.Hacken
jah bill
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probably because it would cost a lot of money especially for someone in the
UK to actually press that suit and follow through, with the resultant reward
probably being far less than the cost in getting it, at least in financial
terms.
i know linval thompson wanted to personally ask all distributors of
abraham/clocktower to please not distribute his (linval's) records at least.
one love
jah bill
Erik T
in the late 60's and early 70's? Thick crappy pressings with lots of surface noise- or
maybe a lot of plants are like that?
jah bill
old time bootlegs were pressed in normal commercial plants for the most
part...they pretended the tapes contained something else and generally had
labels printed listing some made up band name for bootlegs of the stones,
beatles, zepplin etc. those pressings often were very good but were often
mastered from worn copies of previous issues of the recordings. sound
familiar?
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jah bill
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Erik T
about some plant in a non-Manhattan borought of NYC- the home of Kustum Recs,
among others, like the HWQ's named- "WCF/ White Cover Folks" label (I have 1 of
their Jimi boots from waayyy back & it's not too bad)... in both books I
believe the people who used this plant were derided for producing some rather
crappy boots next to their left-coast counterparts.... LZ expert Robert Godwin
complains about shitty east coast pressings in one of his books too, of course
I have 1 crappy early (pre-) TMOQ lp, a Kinks boot from '71 dynamite show,
tolerable recording, crapoloa surface noise-ridden & low-output lp press....
know of any other good boot/ related books? I've known a few people who could
add some neat appendices to Heylin's excellent read... also, I'm sure this was
a normal plant pressing the 'NY boots' in the early 70's but they were probably
doing small runs for small labels or high school band stuff rather than
handling a contract for any of the big labels.... /Erik
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