Anything new in Russia Prog?
Proghisattva Dirk Evans
only listed the first catalog that I found it in:
In somewhat recent history there is:
Dawn Dialogue."I Put a Spell on the Fire" Cranium catalog
Dialog "Cry of the Hawk" (not sure if it's the same group) Cranium catalog
OLE LUKKOYE "Doo Doo Doo (Remedy for a Dwarf")" Cranium catalog
Autograph "I" and "II" Musea catalog
ELKA ATANASOVA - "Winds Of The Rhodopes" NSA Catalog
DRACMA "A Fine Stormy Weather" NSA catalog
IN SPE "Typewriter Concerto In D" NSA catalog
MESS(Grunberg, Sven) "MESS" Synphonic catalog
ZGA "zgamoniums" ZNR catalog
Arsenal "created with their own hand" ZNR catalog
Dirk Evans
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Rudy A Carrera inquired:
>I'd like to know.
PER ANDERS JOHANSSON
I dont now what groups you have named before,but this
albums are very interesting and good and a must for
everybody interested in Russian prog
HORIZONT (first two) mix btween genesis/egg
ALEXANDER GRADSKY russian songs folkpsych
IN SPE (first two)
ILLYA epos heavy folk psych
APPLE apple heavy folk prog
SEPSIS a mix bteween khan/henry cow
OLE LUKKOY zapara shamanic prog
I dont now if any of this are released on Cd,i only
remember tha albums on vinyl
I can make longer list if i have some time to remember
if you are interested,mutch good are done there only
old Jugoslavia who is better/PER-ANDERS
JOHANSSON,SWEDEN
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Michael Eisenberg
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Rudy A Carrera
Thanks for the info. Most of the bands have some history behind them (I am
especially a big fan of Ole Lukkoye) and of course In Spe (I can't find
their other albums, though).
I'm in the process of trying to start a label dedicated to East-European new
music, and I plan to release some reissues of "prog" albums from the Bloc as
well.
I appreciate the information given greatly.
And Per, check out the group called MIZAR. I'll post a link to them soon.
A great Macedonian band.
Rudy
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PER ANDERS JOHANSSON wrote in message ...
PER ANDERS JOHANSSON
years,i would talk to him with names to,its har to get
information about russian prog,but there are a book
ROCK IN RUSSIA by ARTEMY TRITSKY and some artcles in
audion magazine,most of the music on lp in prog exist
only in the 80s,but very mutch tapes existing in the
70s.
Very good with a label who reussie all this good album
some years ago people laughed when i collected music
from the old east bloc.
But look further in jugoslavian prog,very mutch are un
dicovered there./PER-ANDERS
Alexandre A. S.
<di...@triumvirat.net> wrote:
>well, I did a search through some prog catalogs and came up with these. I
>only listed the first catalog that I found it in:
>
>In somewhat recent history there is:
>Dawn Dialogue."I Put a Spell on the Fire" Cranium catalog
This is a very, very interesting album, full of melody and a certain
primitive charm. It was recorded in a hotel room, in 1982-84!
>Dialog "Cry of the Hawk" (not sure if it's the same group) Cranium catalog
Same band. Supposed to be awful.
>OLE LUKKOYE "Doo Doo Doo (Remedy for a Dwarf")" Cranium catalog
My copy is on its way to me :)
>Autograph "I" and "II" Musea catalog
I wonder about this band myself...
>ELKA ATANASOVA - "Winds Of The Rhodopes" NSA Catalog
>DRACMA "A Fine Stormy Weather" NSA catalog
This band is spanish/catalonian!
>IN SPE "Typewriter Concerto In D" NSA catalog
I know it's nit-picking, but they aren't russian, but estonian :) But
their LPs were issued on USSR's Melodya label.
>MESS(Grunberg, Sven) "MESS" Synphonic catalog
>ZGA "zgamoniums" ZNR catalog
>Arsenal "created with their own hand" ZNR catalog
>
I don't know anything about those bands :(
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>>Autograph "I" and "II" Musea catalog
I thought they were quite aweful, myself. On par with a more "rock-n-roll"
version of Genesis. Pretty poor,
but they had some appeal in Europe.
>>IN SPE "Typewriter Concerto In D" NSA catalog
>
> I know it's nit-picking, but they aren't russian, but estonian :) But
>their LPs were issued on USSR's Melodya label.
I really liked "Typewriter in D," but I'm most interested in Erkki-Sven
Tuur's work with the band, which is on the other album. I'm looking to find
someone with those masters so I can reissue it.
>>MESS(Grunberg, Sven) "MESS" Synphonic catalog
I've got it. Spacey electronic prog. Good stuff.
>>ZGA "zgamoniums" ZNR catalog
Wonderful band from Latvia. Freeform, actually more akin to Industrial
music or RIO.
>>Arsenal "created with their own hand" ZNR catalog
Don't know 'em.
Music From Another Planet
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> His playing as been compared to the
> likes of John Goodsall (Brand X) and Allan Holdsworth but it goes far
> beyond that.
It goes far beyond Alan Holdsworths?? Can you explain this again?? That is a
frightening comment ...Very frightening :)
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ALL THE BEST/PER-ANDERS
Dgasque
In article <asiufy-1701...@200.211.176.133>, asi...@iname.com
(Alexandre A. S.) writes:
>
>In article <77pvn5$6k9$1...@news1.dra.com>, "Proghisattva Dirk Evans"
><di...@triumvirat.net> wrote:
>
>>well, I did a search through some prog catalogs and came up with these. I
>>only listed the first catalog that I found it in:
>>
>>In somewhat recent history there is:
>>Dawn Dialogue."I Put a Spell on the Fire" Cranium catalog
>
> This is a very, very interesting album, full of melody and a certain
>primitive charm. It was recorded in a hotel room, in 1982-84!
>
Well worth checking out. Major points for originality, though one can hear the
influences of prog's best on their sleeves.
>>Dialog "Cry of the Hawk" (not sure if it's the same group) Cranium catalog
>
> Same band. Supposed to be awful.
>
Same as i've heard.
>>Autograph "I" and "II" Musea catalog
>
> I wonder about this band myself...
>
Rock and roll with a few proggish moves.
>>IN SPE "Typewriter Concerto In D" NSA catalog
>
> I know it's nit-picking, but they aren't russian, but estonian :) But
>their LPs were issued on USSR's Melodya label.
>
Both well worth picking up! Originality points here!
>>MESS(Grunberg, Sven) "MESS" Synphonic catalog
Grunberg has many LPs out released on both Melodya and the East German-state
Amiga label. All need re-issue. He's been labeled "the Klaus Shultze of
Russia."
>>ZGA "zgamoniums" ZNR catalog
I have a couple of their CDs- both on ReR- _Sub Lunar Morrior_ and another
(might be the above...) 96.4% of this NG would go screaming for the door
within 5 minutes...freeform/electro-acoustic experimentations. Very nice
stuff.
>>Arsenal "created with their own hand" ZNR catalog
>>
Another fairly ordinary rock band. Probably the best-known Russian rock band
during their heyday.
>
> I don't know anything about those bands :(
>
Kinda suprised that none of the Aquarium LPs are in available on CD. They were
one of the more popular bands in Russia along with Arsenal. Aquarium's
guitarist Boris Grebenshikov even got an American LP deal (a forgettable
one-shot on Columbia that was released directly to the cut-out bins- titled
_Radio Silence_ .) Another Russian band worth mentioning is Strange Games, who
appeared on _Joanna Stingray's Red Wave-4 Underground Bands from Russia_ 2LP
comp in the late 80's and on their own LP released on Points East titled
_Leningrad_ . They played a weird mix of avant-gardeish rock and ska(!) that
scored points for originality along with being a fun listen.
You may also want to check out Sergey Kuryokhin and his Pop Mechanics ensemble
as documented on Leo Records. Their "every-type-of-music-under-the-
sun-mixed-in-a-blender-and-poured-into-your-ears" concerts were a favorite of
the Soviet academia/art crowd at the time. There's a wonderful 4CD set out on
Leo that includes some of this material along with with other superb music
that's highly reccomended for those not afraid to expand their horizons a bit.
One of the best pieces of music i've heard on the Leo label that might appeal
here is Slava Ganelin and Mika Markovich's live piece titled "Quasi Duo" off of
the _Conspiracy_ 4CD box. If Univers Zero did a "jazz" opus, it would sound
like this. Absolutely stunning!
Enough bandwidth...
spinning: Children of Bodom- Something Wild (wow...now *this* is prog metal-
time and style changes galore, lush layers of keyboards, rippin' guitarwork,
growling vocals (well, some will dismiss this attribute...)- great stuff!!)
=dgasque=
Rudy A Carrera
Did you ever receive my e-mail regarding contacts? I can't even remember
what it was for, now!
Rudy
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Rudy A Carrera
privately, or I will
look around tonight for the catalog.
>Kinda suprised that none of the Aquarium LPs are in available on CD. They
were
>one of the more popular bands in Russia along with Arsenal. Aquarium's
>guitarist Boris Grebenshikov even got an American LP deal (a forgettable
>one-shot on Columbia that was released directly to the cut-out bins- titled
>_Radio Silence_ .) Another Russian band worth mentioning is Strange Games,
who
>appeared on _Joanna Stingray's Red Wave-4 Underground Bands from Russia_
2LP
>comp in the late 80's and on their own LP released on Points East titled
>_Leningrad_ . They played a weird mix of avant-gardeish rock and ska(!)
that
>scored points for originality along with being a fun listen.
Sergei was the most wonderful of musicians. A really "out-there"
personality, and perhaps the
most enigmatic musician to ever come out of Russia in my opinion. He is
sorely missed (he passed away a
couple of years ago due to a rare cancer of the heart).
And Leo Feigin of Leo Records is an excellent resource for information on
Russian free-jazz.
>You may also want to check out Sergey Kuryokhin and his Pop Mechanics
ensemble
>as documented on Leo Records. Their "every-type-of-music-under-the-
>sun-mixed-in-a-blender-and-poured-into-your-ears" concerts were a favorite
of
>the Soviet academia/art crowd at the time. There's a wonderful 4CD set out
on
>Leo that includes some of this material along with with other superb music
>that's highly reccomended for those not afraid to expand their horizons a
bit.
Is this still in print?
Proghisattva Dirk Evans
Dgasque
>>>Arsenal "created with their own hand" ZNR catalog
>>>
>Another fairly ordinary rock band. Probably the best-known Russian rock
band
>during their heyday.
I wonder if there is another Russian prog band named "Arsenal" because the
album that I have is definately not ordinary rock. I just played it, and
this is how I would describe it:
One song in particular sounds Mahavishnu inspired
especially in the arpeggiated melodies.
The music in more in the Mahavishnu relaxed mode - ala
Apocalypse or McLaughlin's "Electric Guitarist".
Some occaisional and tasty rapid-fire guitar.
Some bits remind me of the instrumental parts of Genesis
circa Trick of the Tail and Wind and Wuthering, particularly in
the keyboard work.
Keyboards are probably the most dominant instrument and
seems to be influenced by Jan Hammer circa Beck, McLaughlin,
Cobham, Bolin, and also some Tony Banks, in the vein of the 2
aforementioned Genesis albums.
It reminds me a bit of Jean-Luc Ponty's mid-to-late 70's
work as well. But, what's interesting is that the song that
reminds me of that also has a healthy dose of sitar giving
it an overall different sound. There is alot of interesting
things mixed together very well in this album.
The album is completely instrumental. This album is firmly in the
mold of late 70's early 80's fusion.
Dgasque
In article <77udrq$e...@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net>, "Rudy A Carrera"
<rudy.c...@worldnet.att.net> writes:
>Sergei was the most wonderful of musicians. A really "out-there"
>personality, and perhaps the
>most enigmatic musician to ever come out of Russia in my opinion. He is
>sorely missed (he passed away a
>couple of years ago due to a rare cancer of the heart).
>
And sadly, one of the most cureable of cancers too. His performance with the
Pop Mechanics on the 80's BBC series _Comrades!_ (rebroadcast on ETV in the US)
no doubt stunned quite a few people. John Zorn made plans immediately after
viewing the series to record with him. Unfortunately, the meeting never
happened.
>And Leo Feigin of Leo Records is an excellent resource for information on
>Russian free-jazz.
>
Indeed. His book _Russian Jazz, New Identity_ is a must read too. I got my
copy from Cadence.
To answer your other question- both the _Conspiracy_ and Sergey Kuryokhin 4CD
box sets are in print- the former in its second pressing, I think. Of course,
no Russian music collection would be complete without the 8CD _Document_ box
set either...;-)
=dgasque=
Dgasque
In article <77via7$ug0$1...@news1.dra.com>, "Proghisattva Dirk Evans"
<di...@triumvirat.net> writes:
>I wonder if there is another Russian prog band named "Arsenal" because the
>album that I have is definately not ordinary rock. I just played it, and
>this is how I would describe it:
(snip)
Guess it depends on the year yours was recorded. I believe the band was (is?)
quite prolific- no idea on how many LPs they released. The one I heard was a
Melodya release from a while ago (no idea of the title), and it sounded like a
band who had picked up their licks from listening to rock music played over
Voice of America/ Radio Free Europe at the time- arena rock dreck.
spinning: Jayuya- s/t
=dgasque=
S.D. Rhodes
It is and it isn't. It's sort of like the second Renaissance album in
that there are two different line-ups on the album, one of which is very
similar to the line-up on the preceding album and one of which isn't.
However, while the "Renaissance's First Album" line-up appeared on the
majority of "Illusion" and the other line-up on only a track or two,
with (Dawn) Dialog(ue) the situation is reversed: the "I Put the Spell
on the Fire" line-up appears on only one or two tracks, and the rest is
a completely new band. So there is some continuity, but not much.
IMO, "I Put the Spell on the Fire" is a pretty good album, while "Cry of
the Hawk" just plain stinks. It's plain old rock, not prog -- nothing
wrong with that in and of itself, but it's *bad* plain old rock, not
prog. But if you really want to hear it, I know a local used CD store
that has a copy (the one I sold them two or three years ago that they
still haven't managed to unload <g>), so let me know if you're
interested. But I don't recommend it.
StoOdin101
>who
>>appeared on _Joanna Stingray's Red Wave-4 Underground Bands from Russia_
Best band on that album. They reminded me a lot of later Etron Fou. Really good
stuff. That humming chorus on Paper Flowers was guaranteed to raise the hackles
on yer scalp.
"It is said that Music is a universal language, crossing the barriers of
culture, age, and language. Perhaps, eventually, we will learn that it also
spans those of time... and space." --- THE OUTER LIMITS; "Music of the Spheres"
Dgasque
In article <19990119092334...@ng-cc1.aol.com>, stood...@aol.com
(StoOdin101) writes:
>>Another Russian band worth mentioning is Strange Games,
>>who
>>>appeared on _Joanna Stingray's Red Wave-4 Underground Bands from Russia_
>
>Best band on that album. They reminded me a lot of later Etron Fou. Really
>good
>stuff. That humming chorus on Paper Flowers was guaranteed to raise the
>hackles
>on yer scalp.
>
I enjoyed a few of the Aquarium tunes, but along with those and the Strange
Games side, the _Red Wave_ release is pretty forgettable.
=dgasque=
Mark Jung
i just recieved an emailed article from a russian friend of mine that
was sent to him by a british friend of ours - i'm not sure where the
article originated, but i'd be happy to send a copy to anybody who's
interested. it's a general history of russian "prog", starting with psyche
and going into contemporary avant & prog stuff. it includes an interview
with one of the members of Auktyon. lots more groups and references in it
have not found their way into this thread.
i'd post it here, but it's quite long -
mark