Prog punk?
Andrew Bellemer
was wondering if anyone has any recommendations for CDs that combine the
"bigness" and complexity of prog rock with the more raw sounds of punk
or indie.
I actually thought of the whole idea in reading an interview with Bad
Religion lead singer, Greg Graffin, who says he is a huge fan of Todd
Rundgren's Utopia and seems to be at least familiar with King Crimson's
music.
Any ideas?
Andy B.
Alex Temple
everything I've heard from _A Little Man And A House and the Whole World
Window_ sounds like exactly what you're describing.
on the more avant end:
Kukl - Holidays in Europe
Thinking Plague - Early Plague Years
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Nicholas Delonas
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Wouldn't that just be metal?
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Brandon Wu
>was wondering if anyone has any recommendations for CDs that combine the
>"bigness" and complexity of prog rock with the more raw sounds of punk
>or indie.
Ruins
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Andrew Bellemer
Nicholas Delonas wrote:
> In article <3BD993E8...@students.umass.edu>,
> ABel...@students.umass.edu says...
> > I've actually been getting into some punk and indie rock recently and
> > was wondering if anyone has any recommendations for CDs that combine the
> > "bigness" and complexity of prog rock with the more raw sounds of punk
> > or indie.
> > I actually thought of the whole idea in reading an interview with Bad
> > Religion lead singer, Greg Graffin, who says he is a huge fan of Todd
> > Rundgren's Utopia and seems to be at least familiar with King Crimson's
> > music.
> > Any ideas?
>
> Wouldn't that just be metal?
>
Well, it could be metal, I guess. But I was thinking of a band that leans
towards songwriting, rather than composing (does that make sense?) and has a
more lean and raw sound than prog, but incorporates some of progressive
characteristics into their songwriting (odd times, abnormal song structure,
more elaborate instrumental interplay, etc.). I don't know if anyone here has
heard of a band called Piebald, they're kind similar to what I'm thinking of.
Andy B.
spacefreak
DOG FACED HERMANS from UK
TROTTEL from Hungary
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Danflyers
the description punk progressive...
They have over 10 albums released so far.
You can listen to any of these albums :
A little man and a house and the whole world window (88)
On land and in the sea (89)
All that glitters is a mares nest (90)
Songs for ships and irons (91)
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Andrew Bellemer
Danflyers wrote:
> You definitely want to hear the Cardiacs. It's the only band that could fit
> the description punk progressive...
> They have over 10 albums released so far.
> You can listen to any of these albums :
> A little man and a house and the whole world window (88)
> On land and in the sea (89)
> All that glitters is a mares nest (90)
> Songs for ships and irons (91)
>
Thanks for the info. Do you know if there is a website with sound samples?
Andy B.
Jack Hesse
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> I've actually been getting into some punk and indie rock recently and
> was wondering if anyone has any recommendations for CDs that combine the
> "bigness" and complexity of prog rock with the more raw sounds of punk
> or indie.
These are some of my favorites...
Still Life: Melodic hardcore band with long songs about emotional
weakness. Check out "From Angry Heads..." or "Slow Children at Play".
Shotmaker: Noisy, semi-spastic hardcore with a dark, "Red" kinda sound,
and occasional odd time signatures. Their "Discography" double-CD
contains everything they ever did.
Into Another: Half ex-'88 Youth Crew, and half heavy metal wankery.
Their album "Ignaurus" has epic story-songs with excellent, tasteful
musicianship and composition.
The Fucking Champs: Instrumental heavy metal disguised as indie-rock. I
recommend "IV" and "III" (released as "C4AM95").
Slint: Groundbreaking Louisville indie-rock band with long, ambiguously
moody songs. Check out "Spiderland".
Engine Kid: Like Slint, but with more rock, and a northwest woodsman feel
to it. My favorite is "Astronaut", but most people prefer their
Revelation releases.
Iceburn: They went to school to study jazz, and ended up playing for the
hardcore and indie-rock crowd. They do lots of long improvisations,
sometimes jamming, sometimes more tightly structured. They used to do a
"Rite of Spring" interpretation.
Sunny Day Real Estate: Only vaguely prog or punk, but they unwittingly
started a whole new EMO movement with their debut album, "Diary".
Pop/alternative songs with layered guitars, melodic vocals, and
emotionally charged all the way through. Their other stuff is good too,
but "Diary" is almost everyone's favorite.
Shai Hulud: A more recent favorite. Good metallic mosh-core, with
intricate & tricky rhythms, and lots of melody in the guitars. Check out
"Hearts Once Nourished..."
Also check out Fugazi, Hoover, Godspeed You Black Emperor!, Cerberus
Shoal, Antarctica, Don Caballero, Trans Am, etc. Lots of "post-rock"
would probably work.
- Jack
philT
> was wondering if anyone has any recommendations for CDs that combine the
> "bigness" and complexity of prog rock with the more raw sounds of punk
> or indie.
One of the bands I was in during the late 70s - Voigt/465 - had these
diverse influences. You can here some tracks at www.mp3.com/voigt465 and you
can read more at www.users.bigpond.com/pturnbul/nns_bands.htm A re-release
of the Voigt/465 material is out now on a small Australian label RadioOne.
philT
Steve
The Ex
Dog Faced Hermans
Melt Banana
Ruins
Boredoms
The Stick Men
Mars
Gang Of Four (Solid Gold)
Wire (154)
and, depending how far you want to stretch your definition of "punk" many, many
interesting postrock bands.
Steve F.
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> was wondering if anyone has any recommendations for CDs that combine the
> "bigness" and complexity of prog rock with the more raw sounds of punk
> or indie.
Perhaps Nomeansno would fit the bill. The album Small Parts Isolated and
Destroyed would be a good place to start. An Alternative Tenticles ad once
described them as King Crimson meets the Sex Pistols at 78rpm.
tim gueguen 101867
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>I've actually been getting into some punk and indie rock recently and
>was wondering if anyone has any recommendations for CDs that combine the
>"bigness" and complexity of prog rock with the more raw sounds of punk
>or indie.
Doctors of Madness: Late Night Films/All Night Brainstorms
Home: IX
Passage: Enflame
Public Image Limited: Second Edition (Metal Box)
Public Image Limited: The Flowers of Romance
Ultravox: Ha! Ha! Ha!
Ween: The Mollusk
Wire: 154
Zeni Geva: take your pick
MIKE (a.k.a. "Progbear")
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>
> I've actually been getting into some punk and indie rock recently and
Also, some recommendations for complex indie rock:
The Olivia Tremor Control - Black Foliage (the Beatles meet Varese, or something)
Home - XIV (I'm not crazy about this, but symph fans might be)
The Dismemberment Plan - either Is Terrified (for something more
experimental) or Emergency & I (for something more melodic). I'll be
getting the new one next week.
Now, Leej, you may proceed to hastle.
Sharon A Rudolph
*No ideas right now but Utopia is definately to be heard. I had the
pleasure of seeing Todd Rundgren the other night doing an acoustical type
gig with the amazing guitarist Jesse Gresse. He pulled out a few favorites
like "Can we still be friends", and" Compassion "and others on purely
acoustical and some piano. Then he brought out his band in a box set that
he used a tour or so ago where he did old favorites in a tropical ,girl from
ipanema style. It was awesome as always. I've only missed one tour of his.
He's pretty damn funny too. The musician's musician.
I was also lucky enough to see U2/love tour this past friday as well
which is one of the best concerts of the year hands down. A pretty
incredible experience after the terrorist mess. They did a beautiful ode to
it and used the back screen as a backdrop for all the names of the different
flights. Excerpts from Martin Luther King were quite appropriate. A
spiritual experience not to be missed.
David Cantu
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Iceburn
Zeni Gava
Ruins
but for what you seek look for two rare records by "Unrest Work and Play"
both still available at http://www.rermegacorp.com/viny.htm
Brandon Wu
fibREMOVETHISe...@yahoo.com says...
>
>The Dismemberment Plan - either Is Terrified (for something more
>experimental) or Emergency & I (for something more melodic). I'll be
>getting the new one next week.
I can't fucking find it in any record stores. And it's backordered at
amazon. Grr. Insound here I come.
From the MP3s I've heard of it ("it" being their new album "Change"), I
get the vague feeling that prog fans might find it more appealing than
their earlier work.
Cell557107
"genre". While their music was very diverse, they touched upon experimental
punk at times, especiall on their first two albums. The most amazing thing is
that they did it in 1968!!! Get "Delay 1968" and "Monster Movie", they are
essential. Their later stuff in even more incredible but is more towards very
outside psychedelic music, not so raw. They have songs covered by punk bands.
Jesus and Mary Chain covered "Mushroom". Its really wierd that a lot of prog
heads are not into Can because they are not really from the British prog scene,
they are German and considered more "electronic". This title is unfair as they
are so much more (not to mention downright raw at times). If you have never
heard them, please do yourself a favor and check em out and tell us what you
think. I promise youll be impressed. If you have heard them, well, ignore
this message....
Dgasque
<ABel...@students.umass.edu> writes:
>Any ideas?
Some that haven't been mentioned yet-
Moonsoon Bassoon
Saccharine Trust
Minutemen
Devo (The Mongoloid Years-era stuff)
Painkiller
Creedle (early)
Supercollider
Gravitar
Dureforsog
Dillinger Escape Plan (more in the HC camp, admittedly)
BTW- it's known as "pronk" in England, and the scene is being well documented
by a small label there called ORG Records. Hit their site at:
<< http://www.organart.com >>
...to find out more. It is a label run by a group of Cardiacs worshipers, the
band that practically started the whole prog/punk fusion thing in the late
70's.
Also check out Cardiacs page @ MP3.com. You can download the entire _Sampler_
album there instead of putting up with streaming RealAudio at their own site.
Also use "Cardiacs" as a keyword in the radio stations at MP3.com . You'll
find a bunch of people with similar tastes and bands to match that way too.
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Dgasque
>Supercollider
Ooops...that should have been Superconductor.
How in the hell did I mix the two up???
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L Perez
> Nicholas Delonas wrote:
>
> > In article <3BD993E8...@students.umass.edu>,
> > ABel...@students.umass.edu says...
> > > I've actually been getting into some punk and indie rock recently and
> > > was wondering if anyone has any recommendations for CDs that combine the
> > > "bigness" and complexity of prog rock with the more raw sounds of punk
> > > or indie.
> > > I actually thought of the whole idea in reading an interview with Bad
> > > Religion lead singer, Greg Graffin, who says he is a huge fan of Todd
> > > Rundgren's Utopia and seems to be at least familiar with King Crimson's
> > > music.
> > > Any ideas?
> >
> > Wouldn't that just be metal?
> >
>
> Well, it could be metal, I guess. But I was thinking of a band that leans
> towards songwriting, rather than composing (does that make sense?) and has a
> more lean and raw sound than prog, but incorporates some of progressive
> characteristics into their songwriting (odd times, abnormal song structure,
> more elaborate instrumental interplay, etc.).
There are only 3 Indy/Underground bands that I've ever heard who fit
that description: Bad Brains, Minutemen & Firehose's first album.
Also, the Clash got very experimental/esoteric on their triple album
Sandinista...
LP
A Cimino
Some old faves of mine:
Unrest Work & Play
Delta 5 (no CD, but find the vinyl or MP3s)
The Work (Slow Crimes is a must!)
This Heat (new reissue of their 2nd and best, Deceit, out now)
The Tone Dogs
and of course..
.
The Homosexuals/L Voag/Amos/and related.
M2C,
Andy (pleased as punch with himself for scoring their In Search of the
Perfect Baby single for cheap recently)
Alex Temple
>
> I was thinking of a band that leans
> towards songwriting, rather than composing (does that make sense?) and
> has a more lean and raw sound than prog, but incorporates some of
> progressive
> characteristics into their songwriting (odd times, abnormal song
> structure, more elaborate instrumental interplay, etc.).
I can't believe I forgot this one:
Shudder to Think - Pony Express Record
This ought to be exactly what you're looking for -- raw, nasty, metallic
sound, sneering sarcastic singer with an operatic falsetto, seriously
fragmented structures, odd time sigs and general pissed-offed-ness.
b
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> Shudder to Think - Pony Express Record
> This ought to be exactly what you're looking for -- raw, nasty, metallic
> sound, sneering sarcastic singer with an operatic falsetto, seriously
> fragmented structures, odd time sigs and general pissed-offed-ness.
This sounds good. I don't suppose there are any sound samples hanging
about?
+Cinquo
Adam Holquist
>
> I've actually been getting into some punk and indie rock recently and
> was wondering if anyone has any recommendations for CDs that combine the
> "bigness" and complexity of prog rock with the more raw sounds of punk
> or indie.
a band that i dig that i haven't seen mentioned yet is uz jsme doma,
from czechoslovakia. punk energy, RIO quirkyness, and skronky saxes.
lotsa fun.
adh
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John T/CV
> You definitely want to hear the Cardiacs.
It took *seven* replies to get the obvious answer?
Yeah, man. The Cardiacs. Get Heaven Born and Ever Bright and skip right to
All That You Can't Eat and prepare to be amazed.
--
CV/JT
"Only an earless idiot would deny them this victory. The problem is that
there are plenty of those around" - Classic Rock Magazine on Magnification
Alex Temple
>
> skronky
You really like that word, don't you.
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Alex Temple
>
> On 01-10-26 21.01, Danflyers <danf...@wanadoo.fr> thought of this to say:
>
> > You definitely want to hear the Cardiacs.
>
> It took *seven* replies to get the obvious answer?
I said it in my reply first! ;)
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Dgasque
<countRE...@m-ideas.com> writes:
>Yeah, man. The Cardiacs. Get Heaven Born and Ever Bright and skip right to
>All That You Can't Eat and prepare to be amazed.
Probably their most "prog"-oriented album. It's a good starting point for most
here, though IMO, it's one of their weaker albums.
_All That Glitters is a Maresnest_ is a good follow-up for a listen to their
punkier side. It's the best live concert ever recorded too.
Biased? You bet...;-)
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=dg=
Platax scalaris
>What about Pere Ubu?
Yeah, I don't know how "punk" they are (perhaps on _The Modern Dance_ a
bit), but certainly for someone looking for that sort of stuff, they'd be
damned appealing. I recommend _Dub Housing_ very highly.
Early XTC definitely applies. I think that _White Music_ and _Go 2_ are
highly underrated because they aren't the highly produced pop stuff they became
known for. They're still very sophisticated, just very raw and fast. Punishment
of Luxury are somewhat in a similar vein.
MIKE (a.k.a. "Progbear")
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> I've actually been getting into some punk and indie rock recently and
> was wondering if anyone has any recommendations for CDs that combine the
> "bigness" and complexity of prog rock with the more raw sounds of punk
> or indie.
> I actually thought of the whole idea in reading an interview with Bad
> Religion lead singer, Greg Graffin, who says he is a huge fan of Todd
> Rundgren's Utopia and seems to be at least familiar with King Crimson's
> music.
> Any ideas?
>
> Andy B.
>
>
Andrew Bellemer
Hello,
Thanks for all the replies... looks like I have a lot listening to do.
I went to MP3.com and checked out The Cardiacs mp3s; they definitely seem
interesting, to say the least. Initially they kind of come off a soundtrack
for a schizophrenic episode, but I think they'll grow on me.
Andy B.
Řystein Holm-Olsen
<ABel...@students.umass.edu> wrote:
>I've actually been getting into some punk and indie rock recently and
>was wondering if anyone has any recommendations for CDs that combine the
>"bigness" and complexity of prog rock with the more raw sounds of punk
>or indie.
>Any ideas?
Well, I'm not quite 100% sure what you mean. But some attempts.
I'll try to steer clear of anything I've seen mentioned already)
Nomeansno,
for their earlier VERY energetic fulls-speed-ahead-yet-catchy-and-fun
stuff, check out "Wrong"
For their newer stuff, ie slower, longer songs, more epic stuff, check
out "No Means No One" aka "One" Hell,. they even do a cover of Davis'
Bitches Brew on that one. One of my favorite bands, lead mainly by
the Wright-brothers' bass/drum rhythmsection. The third and final
member plays guitar, and generally is quite punkrock in his approach.
One of my absolute favorite bands.
Saccharine Trust,
Hmm, I don't have anything by these guys, unfortunately, and I can't
seem to find any good places to order them from. The mp3s I have are
very early 80s in sound, not as energetic as some punk bands, but
sound kinda like a mix between Descendents, Black Flag and more
complex stuff that I'm not quite sure where they got the influence
for. Very fun and catchy, might not be quite what you want tho.
For something a bit more spastic, and going more over to Hardcore (or
even almost Metal)
Try the whole noisecore genre:
Dillinger Escape Plan, Botch, Burnt By The Sun. Great stuff. VERY
energetic, flys all over the place. Can get tiring and be hard to
listen to though.
Melt-Banana,
A bit like the noisecore band si mentioned. Amazing drummer, and lots
of really weird guitar and bass-playing. The guitarplayer has heaps
of effects that he keeps fiddling with. Very high-pitched music, very
high-energy music. Just total insanity, that feels very punky and
proggy at the same time. Their newer material is a bit more
earfriendly than the first few releases, but it's all quite similar.
They just started using more effects and untraditional ways of
playing.
Shellac,
hmm, this might be exactly what you're looking for. Quite proggy, very
rhythmical in nature. Bass, drums, guitar. Gets rather noisy at times,
but gets VERY light at other times. Fun, rude, catchy. Aii, check out
their "At Action Park", or the latest, "1000 Hurts"
Zeni Geva,
here we're going closer to noise again. A plain insane band who are
very fond of the proggy stuff, but just dirty it up and make it really
ugly. Lots of squeaks and blammos and general noisemaking. Very cool.
Don Caballero,
This is instrumental, in case that matters to you. A band focused on
the drummers mad playing. Take two guitarplayers who often play stuff
that doesn't make much sense, yet keeps intertwining in all kinds of
cool ways, throw in a bassplayer and drummer that fly all over the
place. Hell, I'm tempted to just call them progrock. A lot of people
call them a jazzrock band, something the band themselves never liked
much (as is evident in the booklet of their final album, American Don)
Fugazi,
Okay, these guys were among the earlier examples of the emo-thing, I
suppose. Don't let that scare you off though, as these guys are quite
impressive. Particularly on their last few albums they've explored a
lot of experimental guitarplaying and fun drumming. Heck, their latest
album, "The Argument" has an extra drummer on several tracks, and it's
not just a crutch for their drummer either, as that guy is pretty
impressive in his own right. This is probably one of the catchiest
bands on my list so far, very melodic, occationally very peculiar.
Heck, they're neato! I suppose the latest album might be as good a
place as any to check out. Though "Repeater + 3" might also be a
good place to start, where they weren't as experimental yet, but were
more of a punk band.
Jesus Lizard,
More strange guitarplaying. Lots of fun. A singer that a lot of people
will probably cringe by, thanks ot a rather strange screamy voice.
They got a bit crappy on their last couple of releases, but these guys
were one of the "tightest" around when they were on. And they wrote
some very nifty songs. Check out "Goat", for some prime music.
Melvins,
hmm. A guy I know once claimed that "If you octadouple(!) the speed of
Melvins' earliest albums, you'd get music more complex than the
craziest prog bands out there." Okay, it's not really true, but they
were(and are) still a quite cool and kinda proggy band. Their
earliest material was slooooooooooooooooooow. I mean, take
funeral-doom metal and slow it down. Aiieee! Many feel it's
annoyingly slow, but don't listen to them. Check out "Bullhead" or
"Gluey Porch Treatments" for the early slooooow sound. They always
threw in these strange little things all over their songs, like "oh,
let's add another beat to this measure" etc. Yet it all seems to have
been planned to a tee, as everyone in the band is always playing
perfectly along with it, ie no improvised mumbojumbo as such.
Later albums get more experimental. They speed up a lot, they start
throwing in all kinds of things. I can't really say much about it,
they don't have much of a punkfeeling at all anymore though, so I
guess I'll just save myself the trouble of explaining each and every
one of their releases the past 6 years :)
Uz Jsme Doma,
more so a progband than punk. But they have this punky feeling to
them, so I'll throw them in. Think "21st century schizoid man"
played by a bunch of humppa guys, throw in lots of weird
vocalmelodies/harmonies etc, and you probably won't have any idea what
these guys sound like. It kinda fits tho, kinda. Very fun, very
catchy, and quite original. I suppose it has a bit of that 2nd
generation ska feeling to it, ie madness etc. But it's just more
prog! And more fun! Wheeeee!
Okay, I think I'll just stop now, the list is already quite long, and
I don't even know if I'm writing anything that you'll have any actual
interest in. Blæh. Well,hopefully you'll find something that smacks
your larynx here.
-Øystein
------
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Dgasque
<ABel...@students.umass.edu> writes:
Yep. "Schizophrentic" is certainly a good description.
--
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Dgasque
<poho...@online.no> writes:
>Nomeansno,
>for their earlier VERY energetic fulls-speed-ahead-yet-catchy-and-fun
>stuff, check out "Wrong"
They do one song, a 17-minute piece that features a short trombone-played theme
repeated a few times throughout the song, that is played on almost a daily
basis at local college station WUSC. It's very proggy in structure, but I've
yet to catch anything other than the band name..
>
>Saccharine Trust,
>Hmm, I don't have anything by these guys, unfortunately, and I can't
>seem to find any good places to order them from.
I'm not sure if SST has reissued their stuff on CD or not. The one to get is
the live _Worldbroken_ album, featuring Jack Brewers spoken dialogue over the
top of Joe Biaza's amazing fretwork.
Others worth checking out on the SST label are Slovenly and Biaza's post-ST
band Universal Congress Of .
>Jesus Lizard,
>More strange guitarplaying.
Yet another former SST band.
>Melvins,
>hmm. A guy I know once claimed that "If you octadouple(!) the speed of
>Melvins' earliest albums, you'd get music more complex than the
>craziest prog bands out there."
Got into the Melvins after John Zorn mentioned them in one of his "favorites"
lists a decade or so ago. The early stuff is a Seattle take on 70's Black
Sabbath for the most part, and pretty much defines the start of the "stoner"
movement that was to erupt in a big way a few years later. _Prick_ continues
to be one of the defining albums of that genre, IMO. _Stoner Witch_ and _Stag_
are the best of the "melodic" Melvins. Both worth every penny spent.
--
=dg=
Adam Holquist
>
> Adam Holquist wrote:
> >
> > skronky
>
> You really like that word, don't you.
well...
i'd just used it a couple days before to describe them, and i couldn't
think of a different one of the top of my head...
these things can't be helped...
:)
Alex Temple
>
> Alex Temple wrote:
> >
> > Adam Holquist wrote:
> > >
> > > skronky
> >
> > You really like that word, don't you.
>
> well...
>
> i'd just used it a couple days before to describe them, and i couldn't
> think of a different one of the top of my head...
>
> these things can't be helped...
Plus, it's a great word. Although I can't say I know /exactly/ what it means.
--
Alex Temple
Nick Loebner
- Nick.
Dgasque
<G-...@deltanet.com> writes:
><dga...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>> >Jesus Lizard,
>> >More strange guitarplaying.
>>
>> Yet another former SST band.
>
>I think you're confusing SST with Touch & Go.
>
Nope- this time thinking of the wrong band entirely, it seems.
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Adam Holquist
>
> Adam Holquist wrote:
> >
> > Alex Temple wrote:
> > >
> > > Adam Holquist wrote:
> > > >
> > > > skronky
> > >
> > > You really like that word, don't you.
> >
> > well...
> >
> > i'd just used it a couple days before to describe them, and i couldn't
> > think of a different one of the top of my head...
> >
> > these things can't be helped...
>
> Plus, it's a great word. Although I can't say I know /exactly/ what it means.
you're not supposed to know *exactly* what it means...
how does the word make you feel? that's how the saxes sound. :)
Mike Prete *www.progweed.net*
news:3BDCBDF0...@yahoo.com...
> > > > skronky
> > >
> > > You really like that word, don't you.
> >
> > well...
> >
> > i'd just used it a couple days before to describe them, and i couldn't
> > think of a different one of the top of my head...
> >
> > these things can't be helped...
>
> Plus, it's a great word. Although I can't say I know /exactly/ what it
means.
Yeah, but lets see him try to use 'Squonky' in a review....
np: the Who - Live at Leeds
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Adam Holquist
>
> "Alex Temple" <fibREMOVETHISe...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> > > > > skronky
> > > >
> > > > You really like that word, don't you.
> > >
> > > well...
> > >
> > > i'd just used it a couple days before to describe them, and i couldn't
> > > think of a different one of the top of my head...
> > >
> > > these things can't be helped...
> >
> > Plus, it's a great word. Although I can't say I know /exactly/ what it
> means.
>
> Yeah, but lets see him try to use 'Squonky' in a review....
squonk opera are squonky.
five minutes of 'trick of the tail' is squonky.
Jurriaan Hage
The Melvins (heavy) and the jazzcore of Victims Family might be things you are
looking for. And Neurosis of course.
On an older note: the band preceding Parallel Or 90 Degrees (which has some
punk influences), called Gold Frankincense and Disc Drive is one of the
more succesful combinations of English punk and progressive rock.
I also have some albums of Doctors of Madness who made a brand of punk with
lots of violin. Sounds quite progressive. Their albums are from the
seventies I think.
Jur
Gary Hendershot
With this recurring prog/punk thread, it's nice to still see that
after all these years on rec.music.progressive that people CONTINUE to
re-define just exactly what the hell "prog" is. :^) But anyway, my snippet...
The Damned -- "Black Album"
The Damned were definitely bona fide punkers. And *only* on this album
did the Damned actually mess with what some might recognise as quite
possibly being "progressive rock." This would be most evident on the
atypical (for punkrock) sprawling cut called "Curtain Call."
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L Perez
> With this recurring prog/punk thread, it's nice to still see that
> after all these years on rec.music.progressive that people CONTINUE to
> re-define just exactly what the hell "prog" is. :^) But anyway, my snippet...
>
>
> The Damned -- "Black Album"
>
>
> The Damned were definitely bona fide punkers. And *only* on this album
> did the Damned actually mess with what some might recognise as quite
> possibly being "progressive rock." This would be most evident on the
> atypical (for punkrock) sprawling cut called "Curtain Call."
while Curtain Call was certainly proggy, the Damned had other proggy
songs on other albums also
Gary Hendershot
L Perez [LPerez...@usa.net] a écrit dans l'article:
>>
>>
>> The Damned were definitely bona fide punkers. And *only* on this album
>> did the Damned actually mess with what some might recognise as quite
>> possibly being "progressive rock." This would be most evident on the
>> atypical (for punkrock) sprawling cut called "Curtain Call."
>
> while Curtain Call was certainly proggy, the Damned had other proggy
> songs on other albums also
One other "brush with prog" the Damned encountered -- and this was well
before "The Black Album" -- was that Nick Mason of Pink Floyd produced
their chaotic second album "Music For Pleasure." I believe they were
actually trying to get Syd Barrett originally to produce their second LP,
but he was unfortunately just too far out of it by the time 1978 came
along.
As for "Curtain Call," it was not only the first time The Damned recorded
such a seriously long track, but it featured the good Cap'n (Sensible,
that is) doing a *bunch* of keyboard excursions -- all very much non-punk.
Stephen Bennett
It's influence on the Pistols is obvious.
I think Sham69 used to cover 'battle of Epping Forest' too.
Regards
--
Stephen Bennett. Composer and sound design. (UK)
henry fool & The Fire Thieves
Author of 'The Fast Guide To Logic' and 'Making Music with E-Magic Logic
Audio'
NigHTs1000
>
>
ha ha now theres a couple bands i havent heard in a long time and funny
references to them(true or not)...as far as the damned go they were definalty
more arty than their peers, one of my all time fav punk songs(though not really
punk) is grimly fiendish, great harpsicord. they also do a great version of
white rabbit..not really prog eithor of these but still cool.
William Barwell
Andrew Bellemer <ABel...@students.umass.edu> wrote:
>I've actually been getting into some punk and indie rock recently and
>was wondering if anyone has any recommendations for CDs that combine the
>"bigness" and complexity of prog rock with the more raw sounds of punk
>or indie.
>I actually thought of the whole idea in reading an interview with Bad
>Religion lead singer, Greg Graffin, who says he is a huge fan of Todd
>Rundgren's Utopia and seems to be at least familiar with King Crimson's
>music.
>Any ideas?
that direction a bit.
The Power of Lard, ect.
Also, Crust.
Pope Charles
SubGenius Pope of Houston
Slack!
Alex Temple
>
> Pope Charles
> SubGenius Pope of Houston
> Slack!
Eris will crush your feeble heretic church. Fnord!
--
Alex Temple, Polyuncle of the Anti-Septic Order of the Digital Walrus Cabal
Jeremy S.
L Perez <LPerez...@usa.net> wrote:
>Gary Hendershot <ghen...@gary-hendershot.com> wrote in message news:<fVwD7.72$tb2....@bin2.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>...
>>
>>
>> The Damned were definitely bona fide punkers. And *only* on this album
>> did the Damned actually mess with what some might recognise as quite
>> possibly being "progressive rock." This would be most evident on the
>> atypical (for punkrock) sprawling cut called "Curtain Call."
>
>while Curtain Call was certainly proggy, the Damned had other proggy
>songs on other albums also
"Thanks For The Night," one of my faves, springs to mind. I think there
was some experimentation (not necessarily prog-like, though) on
_Strawberries_.
--Jeremy
Jeremy S.
Gary Hendershot <ghen...@gary-hendershot.com> wrote:
>
>One other "brush with prog" the Damned encountered -- and this was well
>before "The Black Album" -- was that Nick Mason of Pink Floyd produced
>their chaotic second album "Music For Pleasure." I believe they were
>actually trying to get Syd Barrett originally to produce their second LP,
>but he was unfortunately just too far out of it by the time 1978 came
>along.
IIRC, this is where the band broke up for the _first_ time. Brian James
wanted to be the sole songwriter of the band, which the others were not
happily going to accept.
The band broke up for less than a year, and reformed without James to
release _Machine Gun Etiquette_, with the hit "Smash it up."
>As for "Curtain Call," it was not only the first time The Damned recorded
>such a seriously long track, but it featured the good Cap'n (Sensible,
>that is) doing a *bunch* of keyboard excursions -- all very much non-punk.
BTW, who played violin on that song?
--Jeremy
William Barwell
Alex Temple <fibREMOVETHISe...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>William Barwell wrote:
>>
>> Pope Charles
>> SubGenius Pope of Houston
>> Slack!
>
>Eris will crush your feeble heretic church. Fnord!
>
Heunh!
Alex Temple
>
> In article <3BE4AF83...@yahoo.com>,
> Alex Temple <fibREMOVETHISe...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >William Barwell wrote:
> >>
> >> Pope Charles
> >> SubGenius Pope of Houston
> >> Slack!
> >
> >Eris will crush your feeble heretic church. Fnord!
> >
>
> The flatter the church gets, the more powerful it grows.
>
> Heunh!
>
into a brittle and useless construct.
Krazhtonivezhtika! (obProg)
--
Alex Temple