Most overrated rock band (NPC) according to American Heritage magazine
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Wanted to post the following quote from a soon-to-be published book called
Overrated/Underrated (Black Dog & Leventhal Press) in which the editors of
American Heritage re-evaluated the writings of 100 "experts" about "those we
take for great & for granted."
"Most Overrated Rock Band: THE BEATLES
Lennon and McCartney wrote one joyous and overwhelming rock song, 'She Loves
You.' Lennon was responsible for another, 'Revolution.' McCartney was
responsible for a third, 'Oh Darling.' The great rave-up tunes of The
Beatles' early days are all covers. The great Lennon-McCartney tunes of their
middle and later periods are ballads, musichall spoofs or jumped-up skiffle
tunes. Furthermore, although they looked pretty good in the rooftop sequence
in LET IT BE, they were by all accounts a mediocre live band compared with
many other British and American bands of 1963-70, most notably the Rolling
Stones."
-written by horror author Stephen King
nutty, eh? :)
Stephen
btw, most underrated rock band according to King: Creedence Clearwater Revival
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Phishzoso
>btw, most underrated rock band according to King: Creedence Clearwater
>Revival
Funny....I thought they were one of the most overrated! hehe....
they were by all accounts a mediocre live band compared with
>many other British and American bands of 1963-70
The Beatles quit performing live because by their own account, it was
pointless. There were so many insanely loud screaming teenage girls at the
shows they couldn't hear themselves & no one else could hear them either. I,
for one, am glad they quit touring. The music they made after that decision
helped define & shape how amazing rock/pop music could actually be.
To hear anyone claim that the Beatles were overrated is absolute blasphemy.
Ryan :)
T420HC
songs probably have more that three chords in them.
the beatles make me sick. there I said it.
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have talked to Steven King, I have driven in his car, I have played
volleyball in his back yard. The point being, if I knew he said this I
would have told him just how full of shit he is. Thats got to be the
dumbest thing that has ever come out of his mouth.
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Jiggy MoMo
songs probably have more that three chords in them.<<
Martha, George and I all had a good laugh over this one.
-John
"Tuesday's no good for me for a flag burning, but there
will always be more flags to burn and more reasons to burn them"-Nobody
"We wish not to learn and we hate what we don't understand"-Riverbottom
Nightmare Band
Joe Marinaro
history" crowd.
That said, I think the Stones were over rated,too. BUT!!!! At least the
Stones could play Live!!!-Joe
Phishzoso
I can't say enough about how great Nirvana were.
Ryan :)
dave perrett
Revival>>
haha, he kept mentioning them in Pet Sematary....them and the Ramones. go
figure.
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WTrevick
gift to think of 50 different ways to play a blues riff in E. Wow. The
Beatles were the most ingenious song writers of the past forty years. Until
any of you can come up with a song as complicated and poignant "Strawberry
Fields" you are all full of shit when you say they are equivalents to 'N sync.
PEace, Scott
Aloicious4
>Beatles were the most ingenious song writers of the past forty years. Until
>any of you can come up with a song as complicated and poignant "Strawberry
>Fields" you are all full of shit when you say they are equivalents to 'N
>sync.
As much as I'd like to jump to agree with you here, I must say that there is
one person who was a better songwriter, or, to be more specific, a better
composer. And that person is Frank Zappa. In my opinion, HE is the greatest
musical mind of the 20th century. By far...
sky, who thinks the Beatles are the greatest POP band ever.
Anthony Sciascia
band. They use just 3 chords for very few songs. Speaking of 3 chord
changes in a song. Do you know any Phish songs? The ones I know the chord
changes for are about 3. Chalkdust Torture is a 2 chord change song.
Character Zero is a 3 chord change song. David Bowie is about 3. Dinner
and a Movie is near 2. I'm assuming you like Phish since you are reading
the newsgroup. So why bash on the Beatles?
I have scores to every Beatles song written.
I can verify the complexity of their songs.
Anyway...........I am on the same side with you when it comes to n'sync
having more than 3 chords.
-Anthony
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>history" crowd.
>
Some day you will realize just how foolish you are. I hope anyway. The White
Album, Sgt. Peppers, Abbey Road & Revolver still manage to blow my mind w/ each
listen. The Beatles, quite simply, have always, and will always, rule the world
of popular
music. And EVERYONE who has come after them have been influenced by them.
Ryan :)
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folds five mailing list, but before ben folds....: my $.02..... if you
don't care what i have to say, skip to the asterisks to see what ben did.
the beatles are simply the most important rock band ever. period. i
personally feel that they were musically, compositionally, and inventively
better than everyone before or since. that's my opinion. what i think no
one can deny is that the beatles were certainly the most influential band
ever, for good or bad. there will never be anyone as... huge. the beatles
were everywhere. they toured the whole world multiple times and were
equally loved everywhere they went. when they quit touring, they stayed
just as big, somehow, and then grew unimaginably musically while still
retaining the basic virtues of their music that had drawn fans earlier in
their career and building upon them. also, if anyone here thinks there
would be a phish or phish/dead scene without sgt. pepper's, i've gotta say,
i think you're wrong. i realize that the dead were playing in roughly the
same era, but their popularity, and the popularity of the hippie
counterculture (including psychedelic bands, like say... the dead)
skyrocketed in popularity ostensibly (if not actually) because of the
release of sgt. pepper's, along with a few other key albums, like pet
sounds. ANYWAY, i'm sure that few people will read this openmindedly and
without bias, so...
ben folds is highly esteemed in my eyes as a talented musician and
songwriter. because of this, i was very interested when he made this post
on the magical armchair, a ben folds five mailing list. read it for some
very interesting opinions about a monumental rock band from someone who is
(in my opinion) qualified to make an objective and meaningful statement.
ben's words start at the asterisks.
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BEN'S LONG ASS BEATLES POST
i'm probably too late for the beatles discussion. the armchair that i
read was a few weeks old, but it was all about the beatles and i thought i'd
add my two cents.
i recently had the honor of working with rickie lee jones, who happens
to be one of my musical heroes, and when the beatles came up, she said, "oh,
those guys... they don't count". they don't. i don't remember the context.
but that made sense to me, even if i didn't quite know what she meant. they
don't count.
it's my humble opinion that the beatles did just about everything there
is to do in rock and roll. and if they didn't do it all first, then they
popularized it. a one day tangent in the studio for the beatles often
became the premise of entire careers. they struck the gold mine. others
rushed
but the beatles claimed. they stripped the creative mines and the rest of us
have been left to pay the 2 dollars admission at the amusement park built in
their honor. we've been given a little pan to put the remaining dust in.
if
it's rock and roll, the beatles did it. period. others may have improved
on
it, added a slant, struck a timely modern chord, but the beatles still did
it ALL. who else did it all? they sold out, they didn't play the game,
they were a boy band, they were a rock band, they were experimental, they
were melodic, they were angry, melodic, unique and accessible, theatrical
and
shoe gazing. their evolution is the blueprint by which we measure all bands
after. why? who knows.
they were also extremely talented. i don't agree that paul mccartney
isn't extremely musically proficient. he's a virtuoso rock singer if
nothing
else. a brilliant bassist, and melodically adventurous and compositionally
air tight. in fact, their excellence is the only reason i might ever listen
to them. it doesn't mean a lot to me beyond that. i'd rather hear fatboy
slim or liz phair.
if you're hung up on innovation, while i don't think that's a very
musical hang up, don't look for new sounds, or chords, or images. look at t
he
lyrics. that's where the signs of innovation creep in. what does it
MEAN? because the same sounds keep coming up over and over again. it's the
meaning of the sounds which change over the years. old farts hear new music
and
just write it off as a repeat of history. that's because they're not
listening to what it means, and how it relates to it's context. elliott
smith is no
beatles rip off! listen to what he's saying. people didn't dare speak
that way in the sixties, not even john lennon, or bob dylan. many will
disagree. i wouldn't argue about it. i just know what i feel.
i think that in art, there is a message and a voice, and the ability and
will power to convey these things. expression. forget innovation - that's
up
for historians fifty years on to laugh at spin magazine's critic's list of
nineteen-ninety-whatever. voice and message should not be considered
irrelevant because it's not clothed in innovating colors. as for
innovation and it's perceived place in history, it's up to the gods to
determine
if the expression of any given artist speaks for a generation. and man,
that's random. and it's musically irrelevant. it's nothing to shoot for.
and nothing to look for. and those who have the unlucky job of filling those
horrible shoes that artists like the beatles did, should not be used as
an example for other humans to be compared to. compare microsoft to the
beatles. comparing my band or any modern band to the beatles is not
even comparing oranges and apples. it's comparing microwave popcorn and
apples. right at this moment, would you rather read shakepeare or kurt
vonnegut? the bible or rolling stone?
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this group) are in this post.. lets see:
the beatles - my favorite band ever.
ben folds five - one of my fav. bands ever.
liz phair - my second favorite female artist of all time.
elliott smith - this guy is way too talented to be so overlooked.
kurt vonnegut - my all time favorite author (not a musician, but still)....
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dreaming about at the time. I agree they were a somewhat a boy band in the
beginning but from Rubber Soul on is pure genius. You have to get past the
radio songs.
Shannon
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how can you say the beatles aren't creative, or that they were just a
boy band? i really agree with the words ben folds used about them. it
wasn't that they invented the lightbulb, but everything they did, they
did beautifully. to slight the beatles is to slight modern music as a
whole, to slight the idea of musical groups in general. if the beatles
aren't creative, then who is? who else did what they did?
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The statement that Beatles songs all have three chords is utterly ridiculous.
The Beatles wrote songs with TONS of weird chords and tiny little changes.
That's all I had to say.
Patrick
Jiggy MoMo
novelist. I think he's overrated too, although some of his stuff is pretty
damn good. CCR underrated? Funny, I think THEY were overrated too!
PSXern
instruments and not just flop around on a stage. I don't like any of
the early Beatles stuff. I def dig their music after their trip to
India with the sitar influence...
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The Beatles were certainly an influence on ME.
In 1964 when the Beatles first round of 45 rpm singles were selling here
in the US, I was roughly 3 years old. I can still clearly remember
standing over the record player while my brother's Beatle records were
spinning, watching that crazy orange & yellow label doing it's little
swirl, and hearing those electric guitars twanging and the drums
grooving away on songs like "I want to hold your hand", "Do you want to
know a secret?", "A hard day's night", "I should have known better",
"Please please me"......
That is the first music I can consciously remember hearing. My parents
hated it, but let it play. I was a rock-n-roll kid from then on.
LP
Cleeetus Gazebo
n'sync
> songs probably have more that three chords in them.
I know this is a troll, and I should just ignore it, but it isn't even
coherent.
The Beatles had the most complex and tasty chord progressions and harmonies
of any rock group in history. Three chords? What are you talking about?
They were breaking new harmonic ground all the way.
Alex Kurylak
Jiggy MoMo wrote:
> "We wish not to learn and we hate what we don't understand"-Riverbottom
> Nightmare Band
Emmit Otter's Jugband christmas fucking rules!! I wish I could find a
copy of this somewhere.
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make you a copy :) but first I have to retrieve it from my friend who
borrowed it like a month ago...anyways do you have any phish vids to trade
or anything?
~becky~
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> Hello all -
>
> Wanted to post the following quote from a soon-to-be published book called
> Overrated/Underrated (Black Dog & Leventhal Press) in which the editors of
> American Heritage re-evaluated the writings of 100 "experts" about "those
we
> take for great & for granted."
>
> "Most Overrated Rock Band: THE BEATLES
> Lennon and McCartney wrote one joyous and overwhelming rock song, 'She
Loves
> You.' Lennon was responsible for another, 'Revolution.' McCartney was
> responsible for a third, 'Oh Darling.' The great rave-up tunes of The
> Beatles' early days are all covers. The great Lennon-McCartney tunes of
their
> middle and later periods are ballads, musichall spoofs or jumped-up
skiffle
> tunes. Furthermore, although they looked pretty good in the rooftop
sequence
> in LET IT BE, they were by all accounts a mediocre live band compared with
> many other British and American bands of 1963-70, most notably the Rolling
> Stones."
> -written by horror author Stephen King
>
> nutty, eh? :)
> Stephen
>
fattyb00m
make a movie about the beatles being overrated ...it'll be like the sixth
sense... "i'm ready to tell you my secret now..........the beatles are
overrated!"
-paul
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