is TREY the best guitarist ever?
Matthew John McMahon
peace
matt
DJ craze77 wrote:
> well what do you think?
Llama
11/29/98 Woosta...Trey and Seth Yacovne IMO ripped up Layla and layed it
back down again! I think Trey may have Clapton on that one.
Peace
--
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Rick Tony
>
> well what do you think?
nothing against trey, but no. Check out: steve morse and michael hedges.
No one touches these guys, electric (morse) or acoustic (hedges).
Shafty
>
> well what do you think?
Trey Anastasio or Mike Keneally, do I really have to decide?
brereto2
brereto2
band but as a solo guitarist, there are many better than Trey
Neil Young, Clapton, Jimmy Page, and Hendrix are a few...
aaron
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DJ craze77
Snash24
scott
Jlswatzel
many talented guitarists out there. I can tell you who my favorites are, and
Trey is one of them, but if you ask me who I think is better Trey or lets say
Jimmy Page, I really couldn't tell you. Both are incredible guitarists but you
can't really compare them. I think Trey is one of the best guitarists in
modern music, but there are many others that are talented.
my two cents (that didn't really say anything),
dr. spliff
SCRAM76
garcia(just for the mere fact that the cords are so simple to play) some of the
best along w/ trey
GoalieBoy3
>
>scott
Yeah maybe. Clapton sucks. All he can do is fiddle around on the same licks in
Pentatonic
GoalieBoy3
johnny lang sucks. NOtice how all these guys play in pentatonic. Trey is the
lone exception
Excpet Jerry, I'm sure he soloed in other scales
Evan
Jsemmler
> fiddle around on the same licks in Pentatonic
You're an idiot. When Clapton was Trey's age he was astonishing people with
his ability. There's a reason people nicknamed him "God" you know.
You should pick up a copy of Clapton's 461 Ocean Boulevard or Another Ticket
and not judge him by the pop songs he's written in his later years.
Trey is a great guitarist but don't mock the master son.
jjs
oPc: 11-29-98 Layla :o)
Michael Babyak
: well what do you think?
You guys need to get out more. He's a nice player, but try: Tal Farlow,
John McLaughlin, Hendrix, Julian Bream (and about 150 other classical
players, past and present), Django Reinhart, Charlie Christian, Roy
Buchanon, Chet Atkins, Howard Robertson, Wes Montgomery, Scofield, Breau,
Doc Watson, VM Bhatt, Jerry Douglas, Steve Kimock (fuckin' with you, JC)
...my hands are getting tired.
Mike Babyak
Harleyyork
Buddy Guy, Stevie Ray Vaughan,
Larry Carlton, Pat Metheny, Duane Allman,
Leo Nocentelli, Jeff Beck, Carlos Santana,
Steve Vai, Reeves Gabrels, Albert Collins, Tony Iommi, etc., etc., etc...
>You guys need to get out more. He's a nice player, but try: Tal Farlow, John
McLaughlin, Hendrix, Julian Bream (and about 150 other classical players, past
and present), Django Reinhart, Charlie Christian, RoyBuchanon, Chet Atkins,
Behavurguy
there....dont limit yourself to one style....expand the horizon 420
You guys need to get out more. He's a nice player, but try: Tal Farlow,
John McLaughlin, Hendrix, Julian Bream (and about 150 other classical
players, past and present), Django Reinhart, Charlie Christian, Roy
Buchanon, Chet Atkins, Howard Robertson, Wes Montgomery, Scofield, Breau,
NScott5126
a subjective experience, and I learned LOOONNNGGG ago there is truly no
accounting for taste.
Peace'nLove,
Big Nate
DJ craze77
>players, past and present), Django Reinhart, Charlie Christian, Roy
>Buchanon, Chet Atkins, Howard Robertson, Wes Montgomery, Scofield, Breau,
>Doc Watson, VM Bhatt, Jerry Douglas, Steve Kimock (fuckin' with you, JC)
these people are all great and all but one thing your forgeting trey can put
together compositions that no one else can touch
DJ craze77
does not even touch trey put him in another category like rock singer....
WlfmnsBro5
Guyute let alone write them! Clapton was nicknamed god before guitar had been
stood on it's head and back again. People nowadays play Claptons licks to
LEARN how to play guitar. Trey runs circles around clapton. You can
definatley tell the musicians from the bandwagoners in this post. You
shouldn't talk unless you can play. All you that said all that "I dunno
Clapton is pretty good" or "Clapton was called "god" for a reason" are just
another example of, "yeah i heard someone say once that Clapton was god.. so he
must be the best." Look at Jimi Hendrix!! Clapton would shit his pants if he
could play like Jimi. Same goes for if he could inovate music like Trey does.
Clapton couldn't Jam on Foam he'd fall to pieces. Just my $5.02
Peace,
-Dave
OPC: 7/23/91 Stash w/ GCH WOWZERS
fikus
>
> Simply said, no. As a band, Phish is better than any one man or any
> band but as a solo guitarist, there are many better than Trey
> Neil Young, Clapton, Jimmy Page, and Hendrix are a few...
>
> >
> > well what do you think?
I think you can't say Trey's the best ever. Rather, he is the best at
one certain aspect of guitar playing. I've never heard another guitar
player who can build up tension to an amazing peak like Trey can. In
fact, I'd say he invented that style. But, he can be weak in other
areas. Many times, when he is playing a slow, pretty solo, they can be
quite sloppy like in When the cicus comes to town. Not that they are
bad, but just not the best. Also, he's got amaizng compositional skills.
Peace,
fikus
Hobbesbk
bout time someone mentioned beck. he kicks ass!!
J75witz
>I think you can't say Trey's the best ever. Rather, he is the best at
>one certain aspect of guitar playing. I've never heard another guitar
>player who can build up tension to an amazing peak like Trey can. In
>fact, I'd say he invented that style. But, he can be weak in other
>areas. Many times, when he is playing a slow, pretty solo, they can be
>quite sloppy like in When the cicus comes to town. Not that they are
>bad, but just not the best. Also, he's got amaizng compositional skills.
fikus, you hit the nail on the head on this one, trey is definitely my favorite
out there as far as jamming hard and i love his tone....it's a totally
different style from Hendrix, Page, Clapton, etc....he's a great songwriter as
well...but no one is the best.....if there was no mike gordon, page mcconnell,
or john fishman, trey would still be a session guitarist in burlington and none
of you would know who he is, his band gives him the ability to be
great.....just my $7.02.....
Michael Babyak
:>John McLaughlin, Hendrix, Julian Bream (and about 150 other classical
Oh I don't know about that, either. Django had a pretty good
compositional touch, as does McLaughlin and Scofield. Then of course,
there's Zappa, who makes them all look amateurish.
Mike Babyak
Michael Babyak
: how about:
: Buddy Guy, Stevie Ray Vaughan,
: Larry Carlton, Pat Metheny, Duane Allman,
: Leo Nocentelli, Jeff Beck, Carlos Santana,
: Steve Vai, Reeves Gabrels, Albert Collins, Tony Iommi, etc., etc., etc...
Yeah, I'd include at least several of those guys, too. Carlton is among
my favorites, and certainly has the chops that Trey has. Iommi, mmm,
well, maybe not. Then of course, there's Belew, Keneally, Cooder,
Lindley, Garrett, and who could overlook Steve Howe, despite his over-arty
approach.
Mike Babyak
mrguyute
greatest guitar player ever is because we can all relate to his music on an
almost spiritual level... every true phan knows this. With such a deep
emotional connection, we often think of the phab phour as the greatest and,
thusly, we idolize them. Trey is not the greatest guitarist ever. Don't get
me wrong, phriends, he's VERY good, but Bela? SRV? The trio? SCOFIELD?!?
These are guys who don't hit wrong notes... play the wrong notes right, as
Victor Wooten would say. And I'm sure we've all heard at least one or two
tapes where the elusive Trey is not so elusive. Oh, and if you're thinking
that he has over 500 songs in his memory to recall from, remember all those
classical and jazz cats know just as many.
So summing up: Trey is good... very very very good. But not the best.
Thanx,
Bugher
"Let your inspiration flow in token rhyme suggessting rhythm..."
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rich
> You can
> definatley tell the musicians from the bandwagoners in this post. You
> shouldn't talk unless you can play.
and you shouldn't coach unless you can play
and you shouldn't teach unless you can learn
and you shouldn't judge unless you can be perfect
and you shouldn't critic unless you can do better
Chances are that the idiot who wrote the above can't play
enough to be listened too, therefore following his own
reasoning, no one should listen to what he has to say.
Give me a break. Everyone's got an opion and Everyone's
entitle to express that opinion. No matter how wrong it
is. Am I are? If I am wrong, may I still express it?
Is this a paradox too early in the morning? Why am I still
typing?
In my nonplaying opinion, Trey is a very good guitarist.
Of couse, my opinion must be wrong because I don't play.
Therefore, Trey is not a very good guitarist.
Oh hell, I'm going in circles
Laughing laughing fall apart.
rich
ajab...@my-dejanews.com
He has dishonored his glorious history by becoming a Yuppie balladeer. Old
Eric Clapton is awesome. Teh Eric Clapton of the 90s is an embarassment to
rock history. He is a Yuppie cheezeball today. He writes very little of his
own music.
cheers,
....AJ....
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New Eric Clapton vs. Trey = TRey wins
Songwriting Eric Clapton vs. songwriting Trey = Trey wins.
Eric does not write many of his own songs. He has lots of help.
Trey is a composer.
cheers,
....AJ....
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sna...@aol.com (Snash24) wrote:
> trey is a GOOD guitarist but I think Clapton may be better
>
> scott
>
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Dennis Miller
> and you shouldn't critic
(critique)
> unless you can do better
And you shouldn't write unless you can spell :^)
> Laughing laughing fall apart.
Always!!!
ACK274
just a thought. saw him w/DMB and he could rip it up just as well as the next
guy, I suggest you check out the new DMB album "Live at Luther College" just
Dave and Tim rippin' it up thanks for the time -matt
TrollKing
TK
Alan Dodson
solo. Does that make Neil a better guitarist? I'm not sure.
alan
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AbsolutTAD
think eric is the man, and trey is an amazing guitarist, don't get me wrong,
but there are people who are a lot better. it's all experience.
~tim
aluminumb
the "sustained note" , a carlos santana original.
ABall394
you can pick bests, but I'll list some guitarists who I consider better than
Trey:
John McLaughlin-In my opinion, the greatest guitarist technically and
emotionally. Also, one of the most diverse guitarists that I know of.
Bill Frisell
Charlie Christian
Django Reinhardt
Wes Montgomery
Marc Ribot
Andy Summers
Steve Morse
Frank Zappa
John Scofield
Steve Howe
John Pettrucci
Al Di Meola
Paco De Lucia
Jimmy Herring
Jimmy Page
This list is in no way complete but these are some of the players who I would
consider better than Trey. Take it easy. Andy
ABall394
Stevie Ray Vaughan
Steve Vai
Hiriam Bullock
Jsemmler
> the history of rock and roll. He has
> dishonored his glorious history by
> becoming a Yuppie balladeer.
Jesus Christ just because somebody gets older and changes their musical focus
that doesn't mean they're a sellout AJ. If he was a sellout then why did he
put out an entire blues tribute cover album during his peak popularity in the
pop limelight? Producers were calling it musical suicide at the time...Eric
called it exactly what he always wanted to do.
> Old Eric Clapton is awesome. Teh Eric
> Clapton of the 90s is an embarassment to
> rock history. He is a Yuppie cheezeball
> today. He writes very little of his own music.
Like I said in a previous post, try 461 Ocean Boulevard, Another Ticket, the
Layla Sessions or anything with Cream/Ginger Baker. IMhumbleO the man is one
of the few people who can take claim to putting guitar playing on the map. For
you to make statement like that reinforces your complete ignornace towards
music/blues guitarists in general.
You never ceases to amaze me with the endless droolbabble that comes out of
your mouth. How do you do it?
jjs
oPc: 8-1-98 Ramble on :o)
Ranggers
GoalieBoy3
>or
>Guyute let alone write them! Clapton was nicknamed god before guitar had
>been
>stood on it's head and back again. People nowadays play Claptons licks to
>definatley tell the musicians from the bandwagoners in this post. You
>Clapton is pretty good" or "Clapton was called "god" for a reason" are just
>another example of, "yeah i heard someone say once that Clapton was god.. so
>he
>must be the best." Look at Jimi Hendrix!! Clapton would shit his pants if
>he
>could play like Jimi. Same goes for if he could inovate music like Trey
>does.
>Clapton couldn't Jam on Foam he'd fall to pieces. Just my $5.02
>
>Peace,
>-Dave
>
Rick Woyiwada
DJ craze77 wrote:
> well what do you think?
Has anyone ever heard of Al Dimeola(sp)? He is a better, faster,
cleaner guitarist than Trey, I'm sorry to say. Trey is second.
Styler
Desslok
>Has anyone ever heard of Al Dimeola(sp)?
What tone! Sounds like an Elegant Gypsy.....;o)
Rick Woyiwada
that was very simple, but it would be original and it would sound like the perfect
notes in the perfect place at the perfect time. He had a natural ability to sense
the perfect phrase, and not many people have that ability. Sure Trey runs circles
around him as far as technical ability is concerned, but Trey can fall flat on his
face sometimes in a standard 12 bar blues progression. Clapton will play a
different lick every time and every time it will sound like it was meant to be
there. Of course, Trey does this all the time, but not very well during a blues
number. Bottom line is that Eric Clapton's greatness is very subtle and a lot of
people miss it when they first listen to him.
WlfmnsBro5 wrote:
>
> Clapton couldn't Jam on Foam he'd fall to pieces. Just my $5.02
>
Who can? Not Jimi.
>
> Peace,
> -Dave
>
> OPC: 7/23/91 Stash w/ GCH WOWZERS
Styler
Slynchie
>
> >You guys are all crazy! Clapton couldn't even begin to play songs like Reba
> >or
> >Guyute let alone write them! Clapton was nicknamed god before guitar had
> >been
> >stood on it's head and back again. People nowadays play Claptons licks to
> >LEARN how to play guitar. Trey runs circles around clapton. You can
> >definatley tell the musicians from the bandwagoners in this post. You
> >shouldn't talk unless you can play. All you that said all that "I dunno
> >Clapton is pretty good" or "Clapton was called "god" for a reason" are just
> >another example of, "yeah i heard someone say once that Clapton was god.. so
> >he
> >must be the best." Look at Jimi Hendrix!! Clapton would shit his pants if
> >he
> >could play like Jimi. Same goes for if he could inovate music like Trey
> >does.
> >
> >-Dave
> >
> THANK YOU
OK, just so you don't think I "jumped on the bandwagon," I have played
guitar for 5 years, and I have played both Clapton licks and Trey licks
in order to LEARN how to play the guitar (by the way, this is a silly
statement because you never stop learning how to play the guitar. Trey
plays Clapton licks (Crossroads, Layla, etc.) in order to LEARN how to
play just a teensy bit better (and don't try to tell me he isn't getting
better -- listen to your oldest tape and your newest and tell me if he
learned anything (unless your oldest comes from the same year as your
newest, in which case get more tapes (but don't email me for them, I
don't have a working deck)))).
Anyway, back to the point. We all know that to really hear Trey, you
must listen to him play LIVE. The albums may be nice, but that's not how
you want his guitar playing for all history judged. Well, GUESS WHAT --
Eric Clapton is the SAME THING. I always liked Calpton's albums until I
went to a show and got the box set "Crossroads 2, Live in the 70's" --
THEN I found out how he got the nickname "God". People followed him
around the same as phish, and if you listen to those 4 discs, you will
understand why. Another thing -- you people don't consider what these
men do with their lives: Trey is a ROCK guitarist who can also play some
other styles. Clapton is a BLUES guitarist who also has been around the
stylistic block. Trey is a pretty average blues guitarist -- I mean, it
is entirely possible that you could go to your local bar and hear
someone who could smoke Trey on the blues. Do you really think that the
"Funky Bitch" solo is anything spectacular? He just runs up and down the
standard blues scale in a fun, rockin, not-even-close-to-ground-breaking
way. He's experimenting with something other than the improvisational
rock he knows best. Clapton often experiments too, with the standard
rock genre -- and does a good job. But if you ever listen to pure his
bona-fide blues (as opposed to the ubiquitous blues-influenced rock),
you will see him do things that no one else can. Every good guitarist
"talks" with his guitar -- if you give me samples of music I have never
heard, I can EASILY distinguish between Carlos Santana, Stevie Ray
Vaughn, Jimi Hendrix, Trey, or Clapton, and I think nearly everyone
reading this could too. Well the things that Clapton "says" with his
guitar are some of the most beautiful, soulful, enthralling, and
technically brilliant ideas ever. Could he play what Trey plays better
than Trey? No way. Could Trey beat Clapton at his own game? Even less
likely.
Another amazing thing about Clapton is his long and diverse career. The
Yardbirds, John Mayall's Bluesbreakers (LISTEN TO THEM!!!), Derek and
the Dominoes, his extended solo career, and his many side projects all
showcased his infinite amount of ideas. Each group of musicians he
played with brought out a different side of him. Trey has now started to
do this a little too. More power to him, I say.
So, now Clapton's musical tastes have changed. He plays a little softer,
more introspective these days. Do you mean to tell me he FORGOT how to
play mind shattering blues like the old days? That he just LOST that
talent after 40+ years on the axe? I think not. Has he sold out? Even
more ridiculous. I think by now he has gained the right to play whatever
he damn well pleases, and if someone didn't become introspective after
what he has gone through (research his life story if you don't know what
I'm talking about), I would think that person insane. And who do you
think stood guitar on its head anyway? Kurt Kobain? Give me a break.
So please don't tell me that "All musicians hate Clapton, and only
bandwagoners pretend to like him." If you consider yourself a musician,
please educate yourself, free yourself from ignorant statements like
this, and open your perspectives to a little broader range of music.
Dave
ScottT1980
neccesarily matter about how difficult a lick it, all that matters is how
innovative it is and how it influences others. On another note, Clapton could
never really play with his pinky. Does that make him even better or worse?
You decide
ABall394
No, this is not a joke.
ScottT1980
mentioning any bluegrass guitarest. There are plenty out there who can
absolutly knock you on your ass when they start to rip it up.... I have come to
the concencus that no one is really the best. It is all a mtter of personal
preference and opinion but it is cool to see so many people prefer so many
different guitarests. This just goes to show that the answer to this question
can never be determined.
Just Some Thoughts---Scott
NScott5126
>Old Eric Clapton vs. Trey = TIE
>
>New Eric Clapton vs. Trey = TRey wins
>
>Songwriting Eric Clapton vs. songwriting Trey = Trey wins.
>
>Eric does not write many of his own songs. He has lots of help.
>
>Trey is a composer.
>
You forgot to say "MY OPINION ONLY." Just because you believe something DOES
NOT make it true. Same goes for me or anyone else. I happen to believe that
Clapton plays with WAY more feeling than Trey ever has, but that is just MY
OPINION. It's called H-U-M-I-L-I-T-Y, and I guaratee it will help you in all
of life's affairs.
Peace'nLove,
Big Nate
Gub1
not Gyute, to be convinced.
MOMA, who just made DAT tape covers, thanks Kaz
ABall394
>not Gyute, to be convinced.
I don't think Trey is better than the following in composition style:
Frank Zappa
Robert Fripp
the early Yes year compositions
There's more, but I'm tired to think. Take it easy. Andy
BRYUTE
circles (loops) around him.
mrguyute
instrument, then (if you're not a musician) you will generally base your
opinion upon whether or not you like what the person in question's playing. If
you're a musician, you judge it upon technical ability and innovation
(generally). So, the way I see it, this whole argument isn't about Trey...
it's musicians versus non-musicians.
To prove my point, head out to a local jazz kitchen tonight and check out the
cats in there. They'll probably play some stuff you didn't even think was
possible.
I'm sure Trey's not the greatest, he's dern good, but not the greatest. But
who gives a flying (bleep!).
Just share in the groove y'all, that's all I'm sayin. Share in the groove.
Take it easy,
Mr. Guyute
In article <7dani9$9h4$1...@news.duke.edu>, mba...@duke.edu says...
>
>DJ craze77 <djcr...@aol.com> wrote:
>:>John McLaughlin, Hendrix, Julian Bream (and about 150 other classical
>:>players, past and present), Django Reinhart, Charlie Christian, Roy
>:>Buchanon, Chet Atkins, Howard Robertson, Wes Montgomery, Scofield, Breau,
>:>Doc Watson, VM Bhatt, Jerry Douglas, Steve Kimock (fuckin' with you, JC)
>
>: these people are all great and all but one thing your forgeting trey can put
>: together compositions that no one else can touch
>
>Oh I don't know about that, either. Django had a pretty good
>compositional touch, as does McLaughlin and Scofield. Then of course,
>there's Zappa, who makes them all look amateurish.
>
>Mike Babyak
Emil H
>> Clapton couldn't Jam on Foam he'd fall to pieces. Just my $5.02
Foam is not that difficult to play over - I can do it.. ; I doubt Clapton
would have that difficult a time, provided he knew the changes.
emil
pet...@ix.netcom.com
I respect him immensely as a musician. I respect him most for his
compositional ability, which is just mindblowing. But the thing I don't like
as much about his playing is his jamming. Trey, in my opinion, does not
experiment enough. From what I hear, it seems as if sometimes, Trey is in a
sense, getting in the way. His weakness when jamming is getting into the
groove. It seems like Jon, Mike, and Page can always lock up, but it
sometimes seems like Trey is getting in the way. This might be because the
sound of a guitar is extremely different from the other instruments in the
band. The guitar is the only instrument in the band that has a twangy sound,
so It sticks on top, and is the first thing you hear. And I AM an EXPERIENCED
musician, not just another person who "heard that clapton was good once"
Sorry if I offend anyone.
MATT
taits
PeTeRSON