Top 10 Phish Studio Albums
Z
topic 'JOY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!') and I thought it would be a fun new
topic. Here's mine:
1 - Rift
2 - A Picture of Nectar
3- Billy Breathes
4 - Junta
5 - The Siket Disc
6 - Joy
7 - Ghost
8 - Farmhouse
9 - Hoist
10 - Lawn Boy
Let me just say these are albums I want to sit down and listen to, not
specifically songs I like to hear in concert. I feel Joy may climb
even higher before it's all said and done.
Z
davidgiven
The songs are strong--"Seven Below" is great, "Pebbles and Marbles",
"46 Days", "Walls of the Cave", and "Waves" all have the ability to
save a second set. "Mexican Cousin" is funny.
The album has a fantastic flow--narrative without a concept if that is
possible...It has good production throughout.
I have really been looking at cover art lately (Joy is remarkable for
its overall artistic impression--I even like the font used for the
lyrics), and Round Room has one of the better covers:
http://tinyurl.com/n73zaz
If I remember correctly someone on RMP used to live with Lars-Eric
Fisk or something and once posted some additional notes on this
artist. Thanks, David S
dig under rocks
9. Joy
8. Lawn Boy
7. Farmhouse
6. Hoist
5. Junta
4. Billy
3. Nectar
2. Ghost
1. Rift
Too early to tell where Joy will end up for me. It has moments of
greatness...but feels short and contains what I currently believe to
be my least favorite PHiSH song to date.
Z
Z
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> Well, daves energyguide posted his top 10 phish studio albums (see
> topic 'JOY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!') and I thought it would be a fun new
> topic. Here's mine:
>
1 - Rift
3 - Junta
4 - Billy Breathes
5 - Ghost
6 - A Picture of Nectar
7 - Hoist
8- Round Room
9 - Joy
10 - Farmhouse
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OneOhEight
9. Round Room
8. Farmhouse
7. Hoist
6. Story of Ghost
5. Billy Breathes
4. Nectar
3. Lawn Boy
2. Junta
1. Rift
Hoist is way better than Farmhouse, even if they are next to each
other in the list
On Sep 15, 1:20 pm, dig under rocks <ryan...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Too early to tell where Joy will end up for me. It has moments of
> greatness...but feels short and contains what I currently believe to
> be my least favorite PHiSH song to date.
Which one, Time Turns Elastic?
OneOhEight
> 1 - Rift
> 2 - A Picture of Nectar
> 3- Billy Breathes
> 4 - Junta
> 5 - The Siket Disc
> 6 - Joy
> 7 - Ghost
> 8 - Farmhouse
> 9 - Hoist
> 10 - Lawn Boy
Joy better than Lawn Boy? Travesty! to each his own i guess
dig under rocks
> On Sep 15, 1:20 pm, dig under rocks <ryan...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Too early to tell where Joy will end up for me. It has moments of
> > greatness...but feels short and contains what I currently believe to
> > be my least favorite PHiSH song to date.
>
> Which one, Time Turns Elastic?
Yep...that's the one.
dig under rocks
> worse than fikus? or friday? or access me? ;) Which one?
>
> Z
Access Me is great! Fikus isn't a real song....and TTE is worse than
Friday.
daves energyguide
am i the only one who cant stand "ocelot"?
daves energyguide
BTW some guy on 99 tour gave me a "fikus"/ folgers coffee t-shirt.
still have it. i can almost guarentee we wont be hear that one again
soon, LOL.
marcman
wrote:
It's one of my least favorites. It reminds me of an I Love Lucy
episode where Lucy scams Ricky into performing with her woman's club
in their play, and Ricky has to sing a song about Sir Lancelot . . .
"I am the good Sir Lancelot, I love to sing and dance a lot . . ." LOL!
DaManfred Mann
> Round Room deserves a spot on this list-.
>
> The songs are strong--"Seven Below" is great, "Pebbles and Marbles",
> "46 Days", "Walls of the Cave", and "Waves" all have the ability to
> save a second set. "Mexican Cousin" is funny.
>
> The album has a fantastic flow--narrative without a concept if that is
> possible...It has good production throughout.
This is a great topic. I'll post my list (and the Mrs.), but I wanted
to comment on this first.
I couldn't agree more, Round Room is a great album and a great cover too.
Sometimes it has to do with what was happening in your life at the time
of the release, or when you got into the band and where you were in your
Phish phan progression when a particular album came out. And Round Room
coincides with some good times for us, as does Ghost, or Billy Breathes.
In my case I also sometimes have fond memories of playing certain albums
on the radio, like Hoist, we used to play Julius, DWD, Sample, and
Wolfman's (all from the same album)...yea, it was a cool station. I
love classic rock, but but AAA was always my favorite format. Any time
I can get paid to play Phish, is a very cool job.
I can still listen to Seven Below and it takes me right back to a crisp
winter morning here in the mountains, driving up my street and looking
at the snow on the red rocks. It wasn't actually seven below, but it
was a perfect soundtrack for the drive. I used to keep that song cued
up in the car for those crisp winter mornings, beautiful way to start
the day.
I can listen to Round Room (the song) and it takes me right back to this
strange round church in Houston I was helping install a sound system in.
I can think of Walls of the Cave and it takes me back to this cave in
Sedona that is a cool place to hike to.
All these songs were either in my head, or on my stereo then and they
will forever be associated in my memory.
Anyway, it's interesting to see how different people rank different
albums, but what we don't know is why. Very interesting. Some are
ranked for obvious reasons, while others are no doubt ranked in certain
places due to to some of the reason I mentioned above, at least for me.
I'll work on my rankings and post them later. But I just wanted to put
my nod to Round Room as a great album.
Dave
DaManfred Mann
Marcman, that's good, I kind of agree. I don't really dislike the song
that much, I just don't really like it that much. But I'll say this, it
gets stuck in my head and I wake up with it playing in my brain.
D
DaManfred Mann
>> Which one, Time Turns Elastic?
>
> Yep...that's the one.
Ah-ha, vindication. I knew I couldn't be the only one.
Dave
DaManfred Mann
2) Billy Breathes
3) Junta
4) Lawn Boy
5) Hoist
6) Joy...may move higher, it's hard to say so early, but I like it a
lot it makes me wanna dance a lot, Lancelot.
7) Round Room
8) Farmhouse
9) Rift
10) Picture of Nectar
Note: I love the Siket Disc, but it's just not one I can listen to that
much, it's more of a mood thing for me. I also think the White
tape/album could be ranked in there, but it also has some very strange
moments which kind of knock it back off the list. Try listening to that
album tripping sometime, talk about a trip...hamburger jokes, crazy
laughter, slapping, jingles about Mike's mom, NO2, bat-shit wild, but fun.
Okay, here's the silent partner's ranking. She only lurks, but she
wanted me to post her list.
1) Round Room/Joy (she says Joy may be #1, but she's not sure yet)
2) The Story of the Ghost
3) Billy Breathes
4) Farmhouse
5) Hoist
6) Lawn Boy
7) Junta
8) Rift
9) Picture of Nectar
Peace,
Dave (& Megan)
dig under rocks
dig under rocks
> 10. Round Room
- Waves, Seven Below, 46 Days...and *parts* of Round Room and Walls.
The rest? Meh.
> 9. Joy
- Need more time. Two bad tunes, two good tunes...the rest great.
We'll see how she rolls....
> 8. Lawn Boy
- Should have been a live album.
> 7. Farmhouse
- This was when we were touring the most. The album doesn't capture
the intensity of the period (as I experienced it), and Piper is just
sad....but Sand and First Tube are epic. This also contains the
PHiSH's last *good* slow tune - Dirt.
> 6. Hoist
- Seven great tunes. Tunes that changed my life. The rest....BLARGH,
> 5. Junta
- AMAZINGLY classic tunes. This would rank higher if I didn't prefer
every one of these tracks LIVE.
> 4. Billy
- A very very pretty album that contains the first PHiSH I ever heard,
Free. This is the album that you play on that rainy Spring day.
> 3. Nectar
- My Pizza Hut experience wouldn't have been nearly as tolerable
without it. This was THE party album for a while...
> 2. Ghost
- My buddy, who was WAY more into PHiSH than me at the time, picked
this up the day it was released. We listened to it EVERY time he drove
that summer...and he drove a lot. A lot of the tunes on this album
bring back the moments of those days like the smell of Fall brings
back so many others.
> 1. Rift
- I was dating this chick that was four years my senior and pre-med.
She was insane. In between studying for her MCAT and waiting tables
she'd introduce me to amazing music. One night she put on Rift, and my
life was changed forever. From those first notes of "Rift" that
night....to the final beautiful delay of "Silent", this album has
always moved me in ways very few other albums ever have. Another
notable listening experience was the time we were coming back from the
Fall '99 Minneapolis show. Not on the drive, but when my buddy and I
sat in the car listening while the girlfriends took a hike down the
road to get us some oil. Beautiful.
Jeremy Timko
9. Hoist (If I Could and Demand move this into the top 10)
8. Joy (solid all around)
7. Farmhouse (for the Inlaw Josie Wales, Piper, and Sleep)
6. SOTG (love the collaborative approach, led to Phish's greatest
period of live music)
5. Picture of Nectar (good not great...I love Mango Song)
4. Lawn Boy (on the Reba jam alone)
3. Junta (the blueprint for all the classics)
2. Rift (great concept album that really really stands the test of
time, I mean who can't get on board with a story about troubled
relationships?)
1. Billy Breathes (IMO, easily their best. Billy Breathes (the song)
is the pinnacle of studio Phish...their most Beatlesque effort)
-J
Z
1 - Rift
This album, start to finish for me, is awesome. The tone, the theme,
the cover art....the just take me to a place.....the best way to
describe it is - 'second star to the right and straight on till
morning' (or silent in the morning</pun>)
2 - A Picture of Nectar
This was my first phish album and the tonal qualities were so
uplifting to me....Those first notes of llama were just 'BOOM!' you're
in another place....but it wasn't until stash I was hooked. That
peculiar, dark, mysterious adventure it takes you on is soo cool
(read: miles davis cool)...."what it for this my life I sought?"
3- Billy Breathes
I did not like this album at first and barely listened to it the first
couple months....But now it is a staple in my rotation. Looking at
the songs I love every one of them and have a visual and emotional
attachment to each.
4 - Junta
Even though I wasn't a child when I first heard this, when I listen to
it, I think of myself as a child. I would take this disc on long
night drives and see the characters....the story of fee, esther,
fluffhead....the journeys of divided, YEM, Bowie....brought so many
colors and images to my mind as I drove though the darkness.
5 - The Siket Disc
This is more my 'style' of music....music that paints a picture,
creates a mood....strangely I'm actually not a big fan of a lot of
lyrics so this one shows me a phish of artists just making little
ponderings in the basement....
6 - Joy
I need some positivity in life right now and this is helping me see
life realistically, yet positively. Each song keeps growing making me
feel good. Stealing Time re-awoke my love for phish. I was waiting
to see phish at alpine this year and hit up youtube for a taste of the
new songs. This song gave me the goosebumps and I started to get that
excitement again....that they may be back.....
7 - Ghost
Don't get me wrong, I love this album, but I just can't put it any
higher. It might actually be below Farmhouse for me (flame away).
When I listen to it I have to skip some songs as I've just gotten
burnt out on them (Meat, Guyute, Fikus, Velvet) The other songs I
LOOOVE....but the previous albums there is nothing I need to skip.
8 - Farmhouse
A lot of good songs, but love train and 1st Tube.....
9 - Hoist
I was learning guitar when this came out and I learned every single
song on it. Love it, but not as much as the ones above.
10 - Lawn Boy
I know, I know....Everyone loves this album...And I love the *jams* of
these songs, but other than Antelope, I don't LOVE these songs on the
album. Reba, Split, Coil, Gin create some of the best live jams of
all time (I have an amazing memory of the split from red rocks when
the rain started to really go insane....and the happiness at the shows
when the first note of Gin begin to ring out) But I have to say when
they come on I feel I have to just wait until the annoying vocals are
over to get to the meat....(Slaaaaave to the lawnboy lyrics).
-----
Because of all the praise I think I'm going to give RoundRoom another
chance and get back to you.
OneOhEight
> 6. SOTG (love the collaborative approach, led to Phish's greatest
> period of live music)
It came out late '98, I think they did record it right after the
Island Tour, which was great. Most people fall into two categories as
to which period of live Phish was the best 93-94 and 97-98, but i
guess that's been discussed extensively in other threads.
davidgiven
1. Rift
For the album art alone.
2. A Picture of Nectar
First album I heard on a drive through Santa Cruz.
3. Billy Breathes
Album actually saved my live when I got some weird gieardia water
poison while mountain biking.
4. Farmhouse
great production, fun songs.
5. The Story of the Ghost
Fantastic idea.
6. Round Room
Good jams.
7. Hoist
Did I mention album art
8. Lawn Boy
I never listen to this anymore (in fact, I seldom listen to any studio
work lately), but when it came out I remember being so over joyed!
9. Joy
I am really enjoying this album with the family and expect it to move
up.
10. Junta
If I could correctly pronounce it, I would likely move it up the list.
Also, I used excel and dropped in the current 8 top ten lists that I
see in this thread, and here are the current results:
#begin
Place Album # of
Points
14 Phish 0
13 The Man Who Stepped into Yesterday 0
12 Undermind 1
11 The Siket Disc 6
10 Round Room 26
9 Joy 28
8 Farmhouse 31
7 Hoist 32
6 Lawn Boy 42
5 Picture of Nectar 46
4 Junta 50
3 The Story of the Ghost 53
2 Billy Breathes 62
1 Rift 63
#end
Thanks, David S
DaManfred Mann
a conversation in our house. I think I'll have to listen to all of the
albums in order again, I love to do that from time to time.
As I mentioned previously, the circumstances of where you were in life,
what you were doing, as well as when you discovered each album (or the
band) are all very important factors affecting how each person ranks the
albums.
DaManfred Mann wrote:
> 1) The Story of the Ghost
Birds - a perfect example of Phish's dexterity and tightness and Jon's
signature roll (ever notice how often Jon does the opening roll between
songs on stage? Don't know if he's trying to suggest playing the song,
or if he just likes that exercise...and they finally worked it into a
song). Meat, the epic Guyute, Shafty, Limb by Limb - Jon Fishman, say
no more, the dude is awesome. There's a great story about how Trey
programmed that on a drum machine and Jon figured it out and played it
perfectly on a real kit.
Frankie Says always takes me on a little journey, Brian & Robert is
always nice. Water in the Sky will always remind me of Big Cypress
"...filter out the Everglades...", Roggae is one of my favorites, Wading
in the Velvet Sea is simply sublime, especially live, Moma - one of my
all-time favorite Phish tunes, End of Session is a nice finish. All in
all still my favorite, plus it coincides with when I really started
following this band in earnest.
>
> 2) Billy Breathes
Not only does this album contain some favorite tunes, but it's also the
first studio album I bought. It also coincides with a particular radio
gig where I got to play Phish (mainly Hoist, A Live One (Bouncing...)and
Billy Breathes). I used to look ahead on the program log to see what I
had to look forward to. We used to play Free, Character Zero (No, I
don't know who The Man Mulchayhe is, so don't call and ask me) and Theme
from the Bottom. Free was great on the album, but what they do with it
live now is one of my favorite live jams...get phunky with your bad self.
Waste is simply a beautiful song, with beautiful lyrics, Taste is great,
but intense, I kind have to be in the mood for this (sort of like Maze),
Cars, Trucks, Buses is a great Page song, Bliss is a blissful little
interlude, Billy Breathes (the song) is a great one too that you don't
hear that often, Swept Away sweeps me away every time and it goes into
the cool, but strange Steep and Caspian is a great finish to a great album.
>
> 3) Junta
What can one say about a debut album (the White tape not being counted
as such) that includes the epic signature YEM, and the blow your mind
David Bowie and the masterpiece Divided Sky? Then you've also got the
sort of rare, but interesting Fee (the paper on the nipple thing gives
me the willies) and the epic Golgi, Fluff is epic too. Even Esther and
Foam, although not everyday listens, are great, Dinner and a Movie is a
favorite too. Contact is a fun song and one that if I ever have kids,
I'll be teaching them and singing in the car...I can picture it now.
If you own the newer CD version, it also contains a second disc with
some cool live examples of what's to come. I love the way Contact goes
into Union Federal, Sanity is fun and Icculus, well it's just
ridiculous..."This is Red Rocks, this is the Edge!" Read the fucking
book! Priceless.
I must say though, like someone previously said, I agree that I prefer
every one of these songs live and therefore don't actually listen to the
studio album that much, but it's fun to hear the genesis of the now
legendary songs...which is why I enjoy the White tape (the real first
album?).
>
> 4) Lawn Boy
Again, what can I say about an album that leads off with the
incomparable Squirming Coil (though it doesn't have the now famous Page
coda they do live) and the phenomenal Reba (which has a nice jam at the
end, but not quite the now famous epic jam payoff at the end)? Both of
which have become live highlights, along with the now epic of epics
Bathtub Gin, Antelope, SOAM and the original Bouncing, which is a
beautiful composition with those layered vocals. Then there's the Page
highlight Lawn Boy.
A great album with great songs, but I still prefer the live versions, as
I'm sure we all do. So again, because I prefer all these songs live, I
just don't listen to this album much anymore, but it's a true classic.
>
> 5) Hoist
This was the era when I first discovered Phish, so obviously it'll
always have a special place in my heart. Plus I got to play several of
these songs on the radio, so that takes me right back to WIQB in Ann
Arbor, MI, circa 1995, 96. We played Julius, DWD, Sample and Wolfman's.
It's a shame that station is C & W now.
Some of the songs on here are now incredible jam vehicles live, like
Down with Disease, who could've imagined what this song would become
(like Free on Billy Breathes)? Also Wolfman's Brother, what a great
boogie down jam out. Sample in a Jar has always been a favorite of mine
too, I love that line "...you helped me to my car..." I've had times
where I couldn't walk, but get me to the car and I'm good (hey, I've got
bad knees).
Julius is a straight out rocker, which is even more of an ass-kicker
live (great story about how it was recorded), If I Could is a pleasant
little ditty, as is Lifeboy, Demand is quite a song too, when you're in
the mood for the journey. Riker's Mailbox is just hard to listen to,
but it's a cool thing to have "Number One" guest on it, Axilla is hard
for me to take, but I have heard live versions that I like much better
and Scent of a Mule is a wild, crazy ride, especially live.
Really a great album, but again, I'd rather listen to all of these songs
live. I guess that's the story with all Phish albums...seems kind of
obvious, but is is fun to revisit the beginning of these legendary jams now.
>
> 6) Joy...may move higher, it's hard to say so early, but I like it a
> lot it makes me wanna dance a lot, Lancelot.
Early returns are excellent, but time will tell where it should really
rank. Some great songs - BDTNL, STFTFP, Joy, some good ones that might
be great someday - Kill Devil Falls, Light, Twenty Years Later, some
good ones that I'm not quite sure about yet - Ocelot, Sugar Shack.
I Been Around I have a feeling will become very cool live and then
there's TTE, I won't start, don't worry, but I do like the studio
version much better than what I heard live and that might be a first, so
what does that mean? I don't know, but it could evolve into something
more interesting. I'd still like to hear them try it as an instrumental.
> 7) Round Room
A very good album from a rough period for the band. What blows me away
is that they recorded it in four days...let me emphasize that, 4
Freakin' Days! (two separate 2 day sessions). I'm guessing they were
riding the enthusiasm wave of reuniting after the first hiatus, but
unfortunately it faded with their next effort, Nevermind, I mean Undermind.
Pebbles & Marbles is an interesting jam and you never know what you're
going to get live, sometimes epic, sometimes just a solid Phish
composition. Anything But Me is a beautiful song, Seven Below is a
favorite for some personal memories of listening to it on crisp winter
mornings, but it's a solid song too. 46 days is good on the record, but
live, it kicks major ass as a great jam vehicle.
Walls of the Cave is another epic jam, but it's a great listen on the
album too, as is Waves. Round Room (the song) is fun, as is Mexican
Cousin. Friday is a nice friendly song, like All of These Dreams and
Thunderhead...I think these last three are sleepers, they're great
songs, but they've yet to really be explored live...I predict that
someday they will be.
Really a much better album than # 7, but I have a hard time ranking it
above the first couple albums, just for their legendary songs, even if I
do prefer to listen to them live. Maybe it should rank higher as an
album I listen to. That's the thing about this album and the new one
especially, but even Ghost and Billy too...they are more listenable than
the early albums. It's pretty obvious the band is much more comfortable
in the studio on these records than on the early ones. Also the
recording, engineering and producing is much better, which obviously
makes them easier to listen to.
The thing is, I actually listen to these albums, whereas with Junta,
Lawnboy, Nectar, Hoist and even Rift, I just prefer listening to the
live versions. I certainly prefer my Phish live, but the later studio
albums are a nice change from live sometimes.
>
> 8) Farmhouse
Hmm, this one is more about the time in my life and the fact that I was
doing a lot of touring in '99, '00, but there are some great songs,
especially live. Some of these were the saving grace of that era, when
the band was wearing down.
Twist is always a great jam and a lot of fun..."Whoo!", Sand is one of
my favorite songs on the album, as is Bug...I will always remember
sitting in a plane on the tarmac listening to Bug, looking out the
window and watching the wind bend the grass "...wind on the runway...",
great lyrics.
Isn't it amazing how many Phish lyrics hit the perfect spot sometimes?
Like Water in the sky at Big Cypress, or BTG at a festival, camping -
"we're all in this together and we'd love to take a bath", there are
many more examples I won't go into now...that could be a whole different
thread.
Let's see, Heavy Things is fun, I'm not one of those who thought it was
a sell-out. People pick a song on every album that they think will be
the "Touch of Grey" kiss of death to our scene, but it never happens. I
remember when they said it about Bouncing Around the Room (which even
survived the live release, which people like me played on the
radio...and turned a lot of people onto Phish with, but it didn't ruin
the scene at all).
Sand is just a flat out great song, but I wonder why we don't get to
hear it live too much anymore. Sleep is a remarkable song, just a great
lyrical masterpiece from Tom...see Bittersweet Motel. I know some
people don't care fore it, but I like Jibboo, maybe it's because I heard
it live long before the album was even recorded. This was the era when
Trey started his solo journey and some of these got worked out by Trey,
then brought to Phish.
First Tube is quite an interesting song, but I can't listen to it that
often. I actually got tired of it when they (and Trey) were playing it
too much. I was playing the album in a business one time and First Tube
came on, at a certain point this guy ran out and when I chased him down
to ask if everything was okay, he said he couldn't take it anymore, the
music freaked him out.
We actually talked about it for a while and he explained that he
couldn't take the build-up without getting to a resolution...I told him
he bailed too soon, we laughed and he just said he was grooving on the
album, but that song was way too intense...I can relate sometimes. Kind
of like Piper, you have to be prepared for that ride. It is a great set
opener though, especially 2nd set (I was at the Fidler's Green show in
Denver '99, when they opened the second set with it, phenomenal).
Then there's the title track and Back on the Train, not my favorites,
but okay songs. Jon's shuffle in BOTT is great though. Josie Wales...I
hate to be a perfectionist, but I wish Trey didn't slide his fingers on
the strings so much, it's just a pet peeve of mine, but too many
fingerprints.
>
> 9) Rift
Rift is an interesting album from a composition and sequencing
standpoint. It works best if listened to as one piece, I think.
Perhaps the best album cover they've ever done, with Round Room and Joy
as honorable mentions.
FEFY is a great song and The Wedge is a favorite, the beginning on Mound
is extraordinary in it's time signatures...Jon Fishman, the human
metronome. Ice is just a wonderful composition and they play the shit
out of it live. Silent in the Morning is another one that always takes
me back to Big Cypress, a great song that just evokes a feeling that I
only get from Phish. All Things Reconsidered...should replace All
Things Considered on NPR.
Horse and Horn are cool songs and always great live. Rift is instense
and I need to be in the mood for it, like Maze, (or Axilla, or Corini,
or First Tube). Sparkele is like that for me too, heavy and maybe not
for everyday listening, but extraordinary songs nonetheless. Weigh is
fun, but much better live, same with "Mife" and I love Lengthwise for a
fun little ditty.
This album shows the vision of these musicians and provides a clue as to
where they were headed, I think. I also think it was the first studio
album that was really recored and mixed well enough to be considered a
good album, from a listening standpoint.
>
> 10) Picture of Nectar
Another album that I really prefer to hear the songs live. But there
are some excellent songs on it. Cavern is a great song and perfect for
ending a set "...don't forget to take care of your shoes..." always
takes me back to dancing barefoot on the lawn at Deer Creek. Guelah
Papyrus is one of my favorites on Nectar and Chalkdust too. I've always
loved my Tweezer too, but I gotta go with live on all these songs.
Mango Song is fun and a great story too about how it became The Mango
Song...your hands and feet are mangled, but you're gonna be a genius
anyway. Magilla really shows this band's jazz chops and also highlights
Page as both a great player and a great writer, then there's Manteca,
which really is a jazz nugget, written by 'ol cheeky himself, Dizzy
Gilespie.
Poor heart really confirms the band's chops, especially Mike, but ya
gotta hear the live version. Llama is pure Phish craziness, as is
Glide, but they're fun...of course they're even better live.
Eliza, Faht and Catapult are not really worth commenting on, but
sometimes turn into cool live surprises.
It's funny, with this album, it sounds strange not to hear crowd
participation on Stash, or even the silence during Guelah, or Tweezer.
I just don't listen to this album much anymore, because the live
versions of these songs are so much better.
So there you have it, my in-depth review. Thanks for reading.
Dave
davidgiven
actually had a bit of bzooty while reading this post. Let me
explain...
DaManfred Mann <i...@esedona.net> wrote:
> Free was great on the album, but what they do with it
> live now is one of my favorite live jams...get phunky with your bad self.
I read this line while playing the8tre in the background--at these
exact words the main Free theme started--perfect timing.
Am I the only one completely blown away by this Big Cypress footage? I
need more of this right now! Thanks, David S
marcman
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> Sometimes it has to do with what was happening in your life at the time of
> the release,
*** I do agree. that's the point, man. I put Rift on the top also because I
bought it just before my first Phish show in 1997 (European tour).
(great post, yours. As usual)
--
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abe
> Well, daves energyguide posted his top 10 phish studio albums (see
> topic 'JOY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!') and I thought it would be a fun new
> topic. Here's mine:
>
> 1 - Rift
> 4 - Junta
> 7 - Ghost
> 8 - Farmhouse
> 9 - Hoist
> 10 - Lawn Boy
>
> specifically songs I like to hear in concert. I feel Joy may climb
> even higher before it's all said and done.
>
> Z
First, let me just say that I'm a little bit disappointed by the lack
of love for Crimes of the Mind.
Right now, today, if I reach for a phish album, this would probably be
the order:
7 - Lawn Boy - Reba might be my favorite Phish song. Antelope, SOAM,
Bathtub Gin, Bouncing, Squirming Coil. Lots of great songs here, but
the album does come off a little flat for whatever reason. Still,
it's got a lot to offer.
6 - Nectar - I typically go for live versions of these songs...still,
this album brought the energy to the party like no other. So strong.
5 - Ghost - I abandoned this one for a while, as it holds the place in
my mind where Phish made a wrong turn. Trey started abandoning
creativity for those droning loops. The trial separation helped, as I
have a new found appreciation. This album definitely has a common
tone, which is something they didn't always achieve on other albums.
I even like Fikus now. I have a fever, and the only cure is more
Fikus. (too much?)
4 - Junta - truth be told, this is my favorite album, as the songs are
so strong, but I usually go for live shows to get my fix for these
songs...unless I am in dire need for Icculus.
3 - Hoist - I know...Hoist ahead of Junta?!? but this was my first
exposure to Phish. This album was very well produced, and there is a
lot to like here. My band* used to cover Sample in a Jar back in high
school. We sucked...it was awesome. Listen to Demand again. If this
song doesn't bring up memories of driving home from college, nothing
will.
*- I say "my band" loosely, as we only existed for about 6 months in
1995 (known as GrooveMagnet...or at least we would have been known as
the GooveMagnet had we been known by anyone who wasn't a relative) and
my role was back-up guitarist. This means that I pretty much just
took up space and had I not been involved no one listening would have
noticed.
2 - Rift - This might be the most interesting album Phish ever put
together. Lots of different textures and styles. Wedge always makes
my day. Rift, Maze, Silent...Great album.
1 - Billy Breathes - I just fall into this disc every time I throw it
on. These songs mark my favorite "era" for my experience with Phish.
Now, as a train commuter I'd say this album always makes me happier at
my destination. Taste is a great soundtrack while walking through
crowded streets. Theme from the bottom, Billy Breathes...love it.
I can't recall the last time I felt compelled to listen to Farmhouse,
Round Room or Undermind, so they are not on the list.
abe
BassPlayer
>
> I can't recall the last time I felt compelled to listen to Farmhouse,
> Round Room or Undermind, so they are not on the list.
For my wife, Farmhouse was the gateway album.
Clancy
a few more times...
Thanks phreeeeeeek for the link, I haven't been to this page in years!
>
> 1 - Junta
> 2 - Lawn Boy
> 3- Round Room
> 4 - Billy Breathes
> 5 - Farmhouse
> 6 - Nectar
> 7 - Ghost
> 8 - White Tape
> 9 - Undermind
> 10 - Hoist
Favorite lyric: Control for smilers can't be bought.
Will Dockery
Having just bought Undermind, I have to agree that "Acess Me" is a
damn fine song. The one with "Do Something Or I Will" is also an early
memorable cut.
--
"Ladonia Looks So Cold" by Dockery & Conley:
http://www.myspace.com/willdockery
LP
> I'm going to follow dig's idea and go more in depth on my selections:
>
> 7 - Ghost
> Don't get me wrong, I love this album, but I just can't put it any
> higher. It might actually be below Farmhouse for me (flame away).
> When I listen to it I have to skip some songs as I've just gotten
> burnt out on them (Meat, Guyute, Fikus, Velvet) The other songs I
> LOOOVE....but the previous albums there is nothing I need to skip.
You and I are likely in the minority on this. and I really don't like
Farmhouse.
To me, TSOTG represents the most dramatic sign of the decline of
PHiSH. Someone else thought it brought on the band's best period, and
I could not disagree more. I won a promotional copy of the CD from a
radio station that had a contest PHiSH question right around the
release of the album, and I have tried to like it - just doesn't
happen except for Guyute (a brilliant composition) and Limb X Limb. As
for the title track, the first time I heard it live, I almost went to
the restroom out of boredom. That plodding, pseudo-funk byoop-byoop-
byoop-delay-loop style of music was the antithesis of what I loved
about PHiSH. That kind of music was what the 3rd-tier "jambands"
cranked out, not PHiSH - the musical acrobats I loved. They sunk down
several levels, and yet all the new fans lapped it up. It was a
disappointing record, and era for me.
Rant over.
LP
abe
Totally agree. I tried sooooo hard to make it work with that
album...we eventually parted ways. Then, it found my shuffle, and now
we are working on reconciliation.
As for live versions, yeah, a slow Ghost could kill a show, but there
were some really great Ghost jams that summer, though I was not in
Prague for this one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gd31cGlQjsg
Give peace a chance.
abe
DaManfred Mann
Wow, it really is interesting to hear different perspectives. I think I
put that album at the top of my list. After some further consideration,
it probably shouldn't have been my number one, but I really do like the
album. I was not a new fan at the time either, I just dug the grooves
in that era. But I'll say this, I absolutely hated that loop-delay high
pitched sound Trey did all the time in those days. I used to always
wish he would just play guitar, instead of just play with his effects.
That's my only real dislike of that era.
I know what you mean about the plodding Ghosts, but I heard more great
ones than boring ones. Didn't they make up for the plodding with Birds?.
What about the funk of Moma, or the brilliance of Jon on Limb, or the
serene beauty of Velvet Sea, or Brian & Robert, both with some cool
lyrics. I've heard some very good versions of Meat too and Roggae is
kind of like Free is now, it can launch into something much more than
the original song when they feel like it, though I even enjoy the album
version.
I don't know what's not to like. It probably has more to do with the
era than the actual songs for people sometimes. Many times I'll think
of an era and think it was weak and then I'll remember certain songs
that came out of the era that were better than the times. Like I
sometimes think of the 80s in general, but it wasn't all crap, Talking
Heads, U2, The Police, among others were much better than the era they
came from. Sometimes I think of Phish eras like that too. Every album
has at least 2 - 3 songs that I love...but some have many more.
Glad you're reconciling Abe, I hear ya LP, but I think you're being a
little hard on the Ghost.
Later,
Dave
LP
I mentioned Limb above as one that was good - Fishman is brilliant on
that one, Gordo right there with him. And live Birds of a Feather is
usually kickass. I like Guyute when it's nailed (such as 12-7-97) and
I believe most people gave it a bad rap because it was played often,
and "tour" people bitched about the frequency of it, and that it
didn't "jam" for 20 minutes. I love hearing PHiSH nail a complex
composition - whether it has a free-form jam or not. The rest of the
material on that record is very "meh" to me.
LP
DaManfred Mann
>
> I mentioned Limb above as one that was good - Fishman is brilliant on
> that one, Gordo right there with him. And live Birds of a Feather is
> usually kickass. I like Guyute when it's nailed (such as 12-7-97) and
> I believe most people gave it a bad rap because it was played often,
> and "tour" people bitched about the frequency of it, and that it
> didn't "jam" for 20 minutes. I love hearing PHiSH nail a complex
> composition - whether it has a free-form jam or not. The rest of the
> material on that record is very "meh" to me.
>
> LP
I was going to mention that I got tired of Guyute too, but I didn't want
to sound like the tour people that heard it for years before the album.
I love that version from Portland at the "pig" racing track. I think
that was the show where they were playing several new ones from that
album. "Play another one? Fuck yea, we'll play another one" And
Fishman is joking about the album and Trey says, "Don't buy the album,
see if we care" funny stuff. But the best part is when Fishman ends
the song before Trey's final solo and he starts ragging on Jon, so Jon
starts it back up and they play the end of the song. I love that version.
12-7-97 is one of my favorite shows from that era (great AC/DC
opener>Psycho killer>Jesus Just Left Chicago), along with 11-17-97.
Some people don't like that era of funk, but I don't see how any real
fan of the band can't dig those shows...and the Island Tour too, phunky,
phunky.
Dave
LP
> LP wrote:
>
> > I mentioned Limb above as one that was good - Fishman is brilliant on
> > that one, Gordo right there with him. And live Birds of a Feather is
> > usually kickass. I like Guyute when it's nailed (such as 12-7-97) and
> > I believe most people gave it a bad rap because it was played often,
> > and "tour" people bitched about the frequency of it, and that it
> > didn't "jam" for 20 minutes. I love hearing PHiSH nail a complex
> > composition - whether it has a free-form jam or not. The rest of the
> > material on that record is very "meh" to me.
>
> > LP
>
> I was going to mention that I got tired of Guyute too, but I didn't want
> to sound like the tour people that heard it for years before the album.
>
> I love that version from Portland at the "pig" racing track. I think
> that was the show where they were playing several new ones from that
> album. "Play another one? Fuck yea, we'll play another one" And
> Fishman is joking about the album and Trey says, "Don't buy the album,
> see if we care" funny stuff. But the best part is when Fishman ends
> the song before Trey's final solo and he starts ragging on Jon, so Jon
> starts it back up and they play the end of the song. I love that version.
I was at that show at Portland Meadows. 7-15-98 I believe. They had
just returned from Europe to the US, and it was their first show back
on American soil. LP#17
> 12-7-97 is one of my favorite shows from that era (great AC/DC
> opener>Psycho killer>Jesus Just Left Chicago), along with 11-17-97.
> Some people don't like that era of funk, but I don't see how any real
> fan of the band can't dig those shows...and the Island Tour too, phunky,
> phunky.
12-7-97 was just a great show. They were *on* that night. One of the
most perfect Guyutes ever.
LP
Z
> You and I are likely in the minority on this. and I really don't like
> Farmhouse.
> To me, TSOTG represents the most dramatic sign of the decline of
> PHiSH. Someone else thought it brought on the band's best period, and
> I could not disagree more. I won a promotional copy of the CD from a
> radio station that had a contest PHiSH question right around the
> release of the album, and I have tried to like it - just doesn't
> happen except for Guyute (a brilliant composition) and Limb X Limb. As
> for the title track, the first time I heard it live, I almost went to
> the restroom out of boredom. That plodding, pseudo-funk byoop-byoop-
> byoop-delay-loop style of music was the antithesis of what I loved
> about PHiSH. That kind of music was what the 3rd-tier "jambands"
> cranked out, not PHiSH - the musical acrobats I loved. They sunk down
> several levels, and yet all the new fans lapped it up. It was a
> disappointing record, and era for me.
I'm a little different. I enjoyed the shows during this time as I was
getting into techno music (something I still love but finding beauty
and inspiration in techno these days is a rarity) and the groovy loop
jams didn't bother me too much, as long as they weren't the focus of
the jam. Like the Prague Ghost (badass youtube video posted recently)
where the loops are just a spice on the main course. But other times
it was too much ... you can hear it in the tapes (crowd talking) ...
and I always dreaded when trey walked over to that keyboard.
Looking at it through the years I can see people not liking this
change, but, from the bands point of view, where do you go when you've
been burning the stages with disgusting, nasty funk for months?
Things must expand and contract....
Farmhouse was just what I needed in my life at the time. It is what
got me to Big Cypress. I was going through a rough time in my life
and the words and the carefree songs....I needed music I could trust.
Z
DaManfred Mann
...I needed music I could trust.
>
> Z
I like that. We might not always be able to trust their sense of
mischievous trick playing (see the states game and the current album
game, which may or may not have a surprise ending) but we can always
count on their dedication to the music and that should never be
underestimated.
Dave
Halden
2. Hoist
3. Junta
4. Billy Breathes
5. Joy
6. Ghost
7. Round Room
8. Farmhouse
9. Picture of Nectar
10. Rift
This is my initial draft as a new Phish Phan and I am sure the list
will evolve and change through time.
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2. Hoist
3. Hoist
4. Hoist
....
Hoist is a perfect album much like Revolver is
Its all about Hoist
Nick P
While the lyrics on Joy were mostly based on the emotional struggles of Trey through sobriety and the loss of friends and family members along the way, Fuego sees Trey and Tom back in their old form with quirky, allegorical, and engaging lyrics. The fairy tale nature of Winterqueen, the tongue-in-cheek nonsensical fun of Wombat, the airy Pink Floydian vibe of Wingsuit, all indicate a slight return to the stylings of Rift and Picture of Nectar. 555 and Halfway to the Moon are a more accurate reflection on the band as they exist today, playing in a more laid back, groove- focused mode.
Last but certainly not least is the influence of producer Bob Ezrin. I don't think many of my peers (3.0 noobs) know who Bob Ezrin is, but i'm sure the vets do. At least they should. Ezrin most notably highlights Trey's vocals throughout the album, as well as getting a little something extra out of Page, and shining his piano tones in unprecedented light. The vocals interplays are the best Phish has ever recorded. The rhythms are unlike any in the band's history, especially on Sing Monica and 555. It's clear that Ezrin brought out the best in each band member.
It's a shame this album has a stigma attached to it. Truly an underappreciated gem, and definitely my favorite Phish album.
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