why do rap artists always have to throw there name into a song?
GlideII
up Santana, Wyclef....yada yada" . i like Wyclef but just let me man play!!
jason
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Jdp677
staying true to the hiphop art form when he gives himself a shout-out during
the "Gettin' Jiggy With It" from Hampton last Fall. Something to the effect of,
"Bob Weaver's in the house!" Man, I was laughing my ass off when I heard that
for the first time . . .
best,
jonathan
cass
different tastes, but that fom of communication is more like a chant
than music. The so called master "Puff Dady" sells milions of albums
using other peoples music. THAT sucks ass. Dont give me this creative
bullshit when rap musicians cant even write there own music! Quick money
(off other peoples talent)...thats what rap is!
Cass
michael tritz
songs that other people have written. Actually they do many of these.
So I guese that puts Phish in the same catagory as Rap. Just because
someone samples music or borrows ideas does not invalidate that style of
music. Rap as music is really not that bad, in fact it actually can be
quite enjoyable. In fact all you need is listen to a tupac, wyclef or
any of the other MANY talented musicians out there. Though I now it
might be hard for you to look past your norrow view of what is music.
BTW your opinion and knowledge of the music SUCKS ASS. Granted Puffy
sucks, but its just not fair to pigioen hole all of rap based on one
person. Flame away.
Ureizen
your music is one thing, but saying another genre sucks ass is not right. it
might not be your cup of tea, but just like you shake your hippie (preppie,
insert your adjective here) ass off to phish, there are others that derive just
as much pleasure from their music. if you dont care for it, fine, bt express
your criticism in a way that is befitting to Art.
so no, i will not check out your tapelist, your tapelist sucks ass...
later...see ya this summer....
horn
Sgt Gr8ful
AMEN! I've never heard it put betters. All the world needs is a little
understanding. Dont be so closed minded to think that the music you listen to
is the only good music out there
jOE
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Ureizen
listened to rap, either in 80's, or 90's...its not all about puff daddy...i
would certainly agree with you, if you ever decided to make an intelligent
remark, that rap music has lost most of its soul..personally i think it began
(slowly, but surely) when it crossed over into the mainstream. i lay the blame
on "tougher than leather" <-- a great album, but it paved the way for everyone
w/ a turntable and beat machine to cut a record.
but to be honest, you seem to have a very limited insight into the genre and
should probably keep your pie-hole shut..lest you receive a huge serving of
humble pie...
take a toke and dont choke,
cuz if you do, you have no clue,
of what me and my homey snoop dogg came to do.......
coming to a lawn near you....
horn
p.s. ill be alone for the antioch show, so stop by and say hello cass....ill
be the thin black guy in flip flops * no, the other one ; ) *...i answer to
horn, or jerry...your choice
p.s.s.
**gordon** knew the moment when the stars all turned around,
but from that vantage point i frowned.
cass
for one cant stand to listen to it long enough to find anything
substantial in it. As for Phish cover songs, can you tell me what album
those are on? Oh thats right...cities and JLC are on Slip Stitch. I
guess Phish does make millions off other's music. I guess i'll just shut
my "pie hole" since there are so many rap fans in here that keep
disproving the fact that rap is about money. And to bash me (and my
tapelist) because I voiced an opinion about a particular form of
entertainment, is being quite childish . My remark was not ment to be
gospel...as goofy as it sounded, that's no reason to light me on fire!
cass
Jeremy Ferguson
wrote:
>that was fun...how can you call it music? I agree that people have
>different tastes, but that fom of communication is more like a chant
>than music. The so called master "Puff Dady" sells milions of albums
>using other peoples music. THAT sucks ass. Dont give me this creative
>bullshit when rap musicians cant even write there own music! Quick money
>(off other peoples talent)...thats what rap is!
Well .. most people wouldn't argue with you about puff daddy, but you
are making some blanket generalizations about things you obviously
don't know about!
I've found the trick with rap is to ignore the guys talkin and listen
to what's goin on in the background. I agree, it can get rather
tiresome listening to some guy tell you all about how he can kick your
ass and how much harder he parties than you and how much better his
crew is than yours.
You might try listening to Roots sometime ... they're rap artists that
acutally *gasp* play their own instruments! They're full of some
great bootie shakin grooves.
Tripe Called Quest is pretty chill too. Lauren Hill's album is rather
good, even if Fujis are Master Rip-off Artists ;-)
Remember, Mickey Hart invented rap!!
Free your mind and your ass will follow
:)
jer
Zaggart
happens everywhere (the spice girls where devised in a board room) don't be so
short sighted to wrap the entire hip hop genre into puff daddy.. check out
people like gil scot-heron, digable planets and the roots.. those boys can do
some amazing shit.
>The so called master "Puff Dady" sells milions of albums
>using other peoples music. THAT sucks ass. Dont give me this creative
>bullshit when rap musicians cant even write there own music! Quick money
>(off other peoples talent)...thats what rap is!
>Cass
Aaron J. Westendorf
hand when I saw Shaggy down at the Lehigh "Sundaze" festival in late
April. All he did was sing really crappy songs, yell a lot, and say "no
one likes to party like Lehigh likes to party!" After almost 90 minutes
of that, I was ready to take my deck and throw it at him just to get him
to shut up :)
RENS 76
listen to some wu, beastie boys,
the roots, check out the black eyed
peas..there is plenty of good hip hop
out there, yes i agree puff daddie sucks
but look deeper man, there is a whole
underground of hip-hop that has
plenty to say...
Jazzhead23
>different tastes, but that fom of communication is more like a chant
>than music.
Actually, chant is a form of music. It was the first form of music back in the
medieval period (ahh, music history comes into use!). I don't like Puff Daddy,
but there are some great rap artists out there. I used to have the same
opinion about rap that you do when I was in high school, but over time I have
realized that it is an art form. Some artists that might change your mind are:
US3
A Tribe Called Quest
The Roots
Beastie Boys
Belizbeha
Miles Davis last couple of albums
Take it easy. Andy
jfriedler
levels of consciousness. What gives y'all the right to diss an entire
genre of music with out being exposed to it. Most importantly, do not
underestimate the power of hip-hop. Sure, there is some wack ass shit
out there (Puffy, Mase, Master P etc), but there are also a slew of
hip-hop artists who push positiviy and lyrics into their rhymes. And
please, do not make assumptions that MCs do not have talent.
Freestyle is an art form must real MCs use and it draws direct
parallels to Phish improvisation. Some groups that really comew
recomended by a veteran Phishead include the likes of:
Tribe Called Quest
De La Soul
The Roots
Common
Mos Def and Talib Kweli (buy this disc!!!)
Digable Planets (jazz/rap hybrid)
Gangstarr
Company Flow
Jurassic 5
KRS-1
Later,
Jeremy
Jeremiah
>>different tastes, but that fom of communication is more like a chant
>>than music
well, actually, there are some crappy rappers who are not very skilled, but on
the other hand some rappers use a lot of innovation, and actually play
instruments. keep an eye on:
Beastie Boys
A Tribe Called Quest
Method Man
The Roots
Cypress Hill
KRS-One
Eminem
Busta Rhymes
and there are other good ones, too....
<A HREF="http://members.aol.com/spooky100">Jeremiah</a>
"Bartender please fill one up for me, with the wine you gave Jesus that set him
free after three days down." Dave Matthews Band
"I think, I think I know it all." Less Than Jake
tylerwoy
Jeremiah wrote:
> >>that was fun...how can you call it music? I agree that people have
> >>different tastes, but that fom of communication is more like a chant
> >>than music
>
> well, actually, there are some crappy rappers who are not very skilled, but on
> the other hand some rappers use a lot of innovation, and actually play
> instruments. keep an eye on:
> Beastie Boys
> A Tribe Called Quest
> Method Man
> The Roots
> Cypress Hill
> KRS-One
> Eminem
> ^^^^^^^^^
??????????????
> Busta Rhymes
>
> and there are other good ones, too....
>
Public Enemy
NWA
Digital Underground
Too $hort
Tripp
Jeremiah wrote:
> >>that was fun...how can you call it music? I agree that people have
> >>different tastes, but that fom of communication is more like a chant
> >>than music
>
> well, actually, there are some crappy rappers who are not very skilled, but on
> the other hand some rappers use a lot of innovation, and actually play
> instruments. keep an eye on:
> Beastie Boys
> A Tribe Called Quest
> Method Man
> The Roots
> Cypress Hill
> KRS-One
> Eminem
> Busta Rhymes
>
> and there are other good ones, too....
>
psx...@hotmail.com
pretentious remarks about the idea of the topic. I have always viewed
rap as a music (I'm making a wide generality here, but deal with it)
that sells the rappers name, and is basically one big self promoting
music. As they have said in their own lyrics "its all for money and
fame" and most of the artists want just that. The idea of using a the
rappers name in a song, is a means to self idolization. (Making
themselves seem cool, or important.) We can see that Snoop Doggy Dogg
even dedicated a BIG hit song to his own name. The song was called
"whats my name" and had a chorus of. "whats my name... Snoop Doggy..
blah blah blah" ingraining the heads of impressionable young teens with
garbage. It was a big song about how cool Snoop is, and let everyone
know that he's "the pattest shiznet, that will bust a cap". Rappers must
do this, so that they make money and a name for themselves because their
music isn't good enough to make them known. Instead of relying on good
music to make their name, they shove it in peoples faces with songs like
"whats my name?". We can also see this, when people rap about themselves
in MANY other songs. Like "Dre Day", which is really a self
proclaimation of a holiday for Dr. Dre! I would like you to go listen to
your rap bands, and see how MANY times the word "me" and "us" and "I" is
used in the self indulgent music of rap. Also listen to how many times
you here "Mace is i the house" and "It's Mase and Puff Daddy yo" in the
music.
Phish, is the exact opposite. Their music is so good that people know
their name. Unlike rap, most people will hear Phish for the first time
and like it without even knowing who Phish is. Then the person explores
Phish and then finds a great band instead of hearing, "Phish is the
shit, yo yo, Phish will rock" in the new song call "Phish is Phat" that
just had a 16Million$ video on MTV and sold sneakers for Nike. Phish is
not commercial, and doesnt need to "throw their name in your face"
because they are so talented and are an aged wonderful band.
-Jason
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Chris Arras
cass wrote:
> that was fun...how can you call it music? I agree that people have
> different tastes, but that fom of communication is more like a chant
> than music. The so called master "Puff Dady" sells milions of albums
> using other peoples music. THAT sucks ass. Dont give me this creative
> bullshit when rap musicians cant even write there own music! Quick money
> (off other peoples talent)...thats what rap is!
> Cass
>
Jeremy Ferguson
wrote:
>i was just listening to a ra file of Santana w/ Wyclef and he was "Give it
>up Santana, Wyclef....yada yada" . i like Wyclef but just let me man play!!
>
Reading some of the posts in this thread, just made me think of the
MSG show in fall 96 where Buddy Miles showed up for Watchtower encore.
His little "everybody yell PHISH!!" comments trying to get the crwod
riled up (like the crowd at a show needs riling up ;) make me cringe
everytime I hear it on tape. Seems like that musta been crazy weird
at the show, but I guess in nyc anything goes. In the words of my
soul brotha jon "Buddy Miles is the poor man's lionel richie." And
yeah, yeah, yeah, I know he usta hang w/ jimi .. he's still a
cheeseball!
:)
jer
Capnslap
>>I would like you to go listen to your rap bands, and see how MANY times the
word "me" and "us" and "I" is used in the self indulgent music of rap. <<
"But as far as being De La it's just me, myself and I"
I never really considered De La Soul to be self-indulgent. While detesting
most rap (except De La and Tribe Called Quest and a couple others) I still must
clear up why they actually say their names all the time. Not too long ago,
maybe the forties and fifities, in Jamaica: remember town cryers? A little
before our times but in Jamaica the way they would bring the news to
townspeople was through these rhythmical, sometimes rhyming versions of the
days events or gossip...since so many started doing this it became competition
to do it better than the other guy. I forget what this was actually called but
when they competed against each other they threw their names in the mix to let
everyone know just who was the best at it...sometimes they'd trash someone else
(strange, noone ever seemed to get shot due to that back then). So
self-indulgent, absolutely, but remember rap is a style with certain themes
that haven't changed since it's first been around. It's got more history to it
than you might think. A lot of the first "rap" was in reggae music. Hence,
"old school" etc. Hope I was informative. Have a transformational tour.
-John
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PoppinFresh
> > the other hand some rappers use a lot of innovation, and actually play
> > instruments. keep an eye on:
> > Beastie Boys
> > A Tribe Called Quest
> > Method Man
> > The Roots
> > Cypress Hill
> > KRS-One
> > Eminem
> > Busta Rhymes
Will F***in Smith
I know he doesn't play his own instruments, and he probably doesn't even
choose his own samples, but whoever is choosing them is doing an
incredible job. Here's my view on his music:
So none of the music, well most of it, anyways, is not original. It
grooves. And I think some of the stuff that he's done has been a big
improvement over the original (my own opinion, not yours, you are
entitled to differ, but not in a violent, holier than thou flame).
Case in point: Gettin' Jiggy Wit' It. As far as I know the sample is
from a bridge section of a Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers song (I don't
know what song exactly, and I've only heard it once. Feel free to
correct me in an intelligent fashion). The original part is only a few
bars long, but IMHO, it's probably the best part of the song.
Now Will Smith (as we'll refer to the collective effort of producers,
the artist in question, and whoever else is involved) takes this and
loops it, ad nauseum, as some may feel, and adds a bit of substance over
top of it. Now this is where Jiggy sparkles. The added part is something
of a funky guitar part, that GROOVES.
Listen to the 11-20-98 Phish version and how Page just funks it out on
the Clavinet, much in the same fashion as does the
instrumentalist/computer, which one, I do not know. (A side note: I was
at that show, but at the time didn't know the song very well at all. I
also don't remember much of it because I was laughing too hard to listen
to the music, and I've only heard the tape once.)
After adding this funk to the mix, Mr. Smith procedes to put rap over
the bed of funk (did I have to say that?) And why, you may ask is this
an improvement? Rap GROOVES. Instead of adding any sort of meaningful
emotional content to the song, it adds another, almost percussive,
element to the song, and if I'm gonna dance to something, why do I care
what the person is trying to get across in the lyrics. I just care if it
GROOVES. Besides, I am not a lyric oriented person at all, and I can't
remember a single line of any rap, including the Will Smith stuff that I
know and love. The only words of Jiggy that I know are "Gettin' Jiggy
Wit' It".
To sum things up, Will Smith is good because his music GROOVES. Okay,
"Miami" sucks, but because it doesn't GROOVE at all. It just has those
annoying voices. A final example, Wild Wild West, sample pulled from the
Stevie Wonder song "I Wish". As funky as Stevie is, I believe that the
singing over his music is lame and doesn't really fit. Okay, so its a
little harsh, but I prefer the Will Smith rap over it. Rap fits much
better, because it contributes to the groove, instead of sitting on top
of it. It plays WITH the music, not ABOVE it. "I guess our tracks are
used so much in hip-hop music because they were serious rhythm tracks
waiting for a good melody" - George Porter Jr., of the Meters. Very true
indeed. The funk of the 70's was just music looking for something more,
and the rap of the 90's is that which fuses best with these beds of
funk.
-- Thomas Orgren
This post has been my first in about 9 months, and I may be a little
rusty in the ways of RMP. But please, give me feedback. Let me know what
you thought of every little thing, including the writing style. I'm
sorry it was a little long-winded, but thank you very much for reading
this far. Just drop me an e-mail. I'm always looking for cool people
with whom to chat.
Jonathan Magallanes
they have to throw in their name so you know whose
making noise.
=D
Jeremiah
>
>they have to throw in their name so you know whose
>making noise.
try listening to "Find A Way" by A Tribe Called Quest and then listening to
"Ruff Ryders Anthem" by DMX and then tell me all rap is the same.