HERE IS WHY PHISH GOT BOOED OFF STAGE, ---EUROPEAN'S POINT OF VIEW----
Joshua Ross Carver
Hi-
Phish should in no way change the way they play because they are in
Europe and want to make fans. Had they done this in the states, they
would have turned into a very different band than the one we know. they
shouldn't compromise what songs to play just because the audience might
like some, and not others. Just because they are in Europe does not mean
Phish is a differnet band...sure they are playing in front of different
audiences, but this shouldn't matter. some people are going to like them
and some people are going to hate them no matter what.
I would hate to see phish go to Europe and play Cavern, Dw/D, Golgi and
Fee every night...this is not who they are, they shouldn't completely
change because of there audience.
Now of course they aren't going to go a play a 45 minute Tweezer, but in
the same token they shouldn't just play 10 5 minute songs. Neither
example is what phish is all about.
Just my thoughts,
Josh
ja...@glo.be
Well, i reacted in a prevoius post already giving my thoughts about
why phish got boed off the stage after their second show but i must
add this little comment
1) it is true that italian crowds are reputated for their poor musical
knowledge and for their unruly behaviours when they don't like the
performing acts (i am from europe so i know what i am talking about).
2) But, if you look at some of the sets phish played, you'll see that
each night they've managed to sing one or even two country or
bluegrass songs (the last show they opened with Sweet adeline and
Uncle Pen in a row). Now don't get me wrong, i worship phish but for
european people, who never heard any phish song, who don't know that
phish is a jammy band, well i guess it is much too hard for them to
appreciate those kind of songs immediately. I mean i am sure Uncle pen
wasn't your favorite song at first. Europeans are not used to country
music, it just doesn't belong to their culture. And honestly, i don't
think i would have loved phish immediately if the first two songs i
had been listening to were Uncle Pen or Poor heart. Those are surely
great songs but not to start with, not to learn phish's
music...especialy for europeans.
3) i think phish should start with easy to swallow songs like suzie
greenberg, down with disease, if i could, ac dc bag, divided sky, and
then gradually go over into more complicated songs like bowie, maze or
antelope...country and delirium songs should only come when people
have learned to understand phish's music. When people can sit back,
laugh or dance histerically while listening some country songs. Those
songs should definitely be played only when people started to
appreciate phish's music.
4) i don't know if you guys from the states know that but phish has
just release an album exclusively in europe called stash and
containing the next 9 songs
1-DWD 2-FEFY 3-If i could 4- Split Open &Melt 5- Scent of a mule 6-
Maze 7-Stash 8-Gumbo 9-Bouncing around the room and i think i forget
one or two other tracks...
But the point i am trying to emphasize is that phish would be better
off if they played some songs from this cd. I mean, they released it
to realize their breakthrough in europe, so it would be a good idea i
think to play some of the songs listed on the album instead of playing
a set where not a single track appears on the cd...
I know i will get hard reactions for those last words i just wrote
telling me that phish's originality is that they play a different set
all night, i know all this (i have more than 100 hours of phish), but
i am just giving my opinion under the hypothesis that phish aims to be
known in europe.
I think the best way is too put this originality beside for a time and
play some songs from the stash album to promote it. I know that the
band didn't start this way inthe states, but you should know
something: europe is just different, we don't have bands that started
their careers by playing in bars and grew slowly to become heroes...(i
wish we had). I think one of phish's main goal of the tour was to make
themselves an audience in europe, well that's the only way they could
make it. Once they will become famous here, they will be able to play
really like they want, that means country, rock,pop, reggae....each
night different songs, different jams,....
Well enough for now, just don't get me wrong i am long time phishhead
but i thought i should just explain to you, from a euopean's point of
view, why the guys were booed off stage. And believe it or not , it
hurts me a lot when i imagine what the guys endured while leaving the
stage that night......
Bye for now
Jack
Jon Laius
>
>I know i will get hard reactions for those last words i just wrote
>telling me that phish's originality is that they play a different set
>all night, i know all this (i have more than 100 hours of phish), but
>i am just giving my opinion under the hypothesis that phish aims to be
>known in europe.
>I think the best way is too put this originality beside for a time and
>play some songs from the stash album to promote it. I know that the
>band didn't start this way inthe states, but you should know
>something: europe is just different, we don't have bands that started
>their careers by playing in bars and grew slowly to become heroes...(i
>wish we had). I think one of phish's main goal of the tour was to make
>themselves an audience in europe, well that's the only way they could
>make it. Once they will become famous here, they will be able to play
>really like they want, that means country, rock,pop, reggae....each
>night different songs, different jams,....
>
>
>
Once I read this I just had to Respond. They should promote the albulm
to make fans and become famous? And then they can play really like they
want to. How bout if they play really like they want to and if people
like it cool, if they don't oh well. Do you think Phish is touring
Europe to sell albulms? Do they tour the US to sell albulms. I really
don't think they do. They tour constantly because they love to play
music. If the Italians don't like it .......too bad
Peace,
Jon
pHiL
On 9 Jul 1996 01:15:54 GMT, jla...@vt.edu (Jon Laius) wrote:
>Once I read this I just had to Respond. They should promote the albulm
>to make fans and become famous? And then they can play really like they
>want to. How bout if they play really like they want to and if people
>like it cool, if they don't oh well. Do you think Phish is touring
>Europe to sell albulms? Do they tour the US to sell albulms. I really
>don't think they do. They tour constantly because they love to play
>music. If the Italians don't like it .......too bad
ok, ok, calm down... i think what jack was trying to explain in the
orginal post was WHY they got booed off the stage. he wasn't trying to
tell phish what to do and what NOT to do. he was trying to explain
things from a european perspective.
if you read the original post again, jack says that IF phish's
intention is to establish a european fan base, THEN they should play
songs from the record they released over there (and i agree). if NOT,
then should play whatever they damn well feel like playing.
personally, i think the only reason there was a record released is
because elektra wanted to expand things a little. maybe they said:
"we'll help with the tour costs if you release a compilation album."
who knows? i'm sure phish is in europe right now because the 4 of them
were sitting on mikes living room couch one day smoking a big fat bowl
and page said- "you know what we should do- we should tour europe!"
and everyone else said: "great idea." either way it doesn't matter
because...
the US tour starts in 22 days 8-)
YIPEE!!!
peace-
pHiL
lovejoy eric b
I really have no answer to why the boys are getting booed, and all of
this negative energy, but all i know is that when put under pressure,
people tend to rise to the top..what i am trying to say is that all this
negative european tour energy will hopefully make the boy's so excited to
come back to the states that they will be full of energy and in amazing
form...Hope this is true, seeing the love and admiration from the crowd
again, could really help to put them in rare form which we are all dying
to see and experience again.....Cant wait til august....always dreamin...eric
Herschel A Gelman
(ja...@glo.be) had written:
| 2) But, if you look at some of the sets phish played, you'll see that
| each night they've managed to sing one or even two country or
| bluegrass songs (the last show they opened with Sweet adeline and
| Uncle Pen in a row). Now don't get me wrong, i worship phish but for
| european people, who never heard any phish song, who don't know that
| phish is a jammy band, well i guess it is much too hard for them to
| appreciate those kind of songs immediately.
That's possible, but on 7/3, when they were booed off, they played
what looks like a pretty strong, no-bluegrass set:
Runaway Jim, Stash, Sparkle, Fog That Surrounds*, Llama*
And the asterisked ones were with Santana and his percussionist. The
weird thing is that they were still booed off even though Santana was
playing with them?? Wow. Now *that's* a strong dislike of the band...
The next show (7/5) looks even better:
Funky Bitch > Chalk Dust Torture > AC/DC Bag > You Enjoy Myself, Scent of
a Mule, David Bowie
E: Sweet Adeline*
* acoustic
I really like this setlist. I love this setlist (Adeline encore
notwithstanding). I wonder how the crowd reacted to this; it seems that
it went off pretty well, since they came out for an encore. After a You
Enjoy My Mule David I can't blame them... You never know, though.
7/6 looks pretty typical. Potential highlights being the Reba and Hood.
7/7 is really weird:
Sweet Adeline, Uncle Pen, Cavern, Run Like an Antelope, Suzie Greenberg
If I had been to just one European show, I wouldn't have wanted it to be
this one.
Of course, you can't expect too much in an opening slot. I suspect that
they're holding back a little, and that they wouldn't want to wind up
playing one huge Tweezer for their whole set, or something like that.
--
Herschel "blahblahblahblahblahblah..." Gelman
shawn
In article <4rsjeu$q...@epx.cis.umn.edu>, sext...@gold.tc.umn.edu
says...
>
>ja...@glo.be wrote:
>: hurts me a lot when i imagine what the guys endured while leaving the
>: stage that night......
>
>Yeah, counting all that money must've sucked.
>
>paul
>
Money isnt everything.
Shawn
RUTHERFORD
I have to agree with Jack here. Even I'm not very fond of Sparkle, and
I just can't picture the Italians, (especially at a Santana show)
digging this song.
Allan Abrams
hag...@pitt.edu (Herschel "biggg butttt" Gelman) wrote:
|Runaway Jim, Stash, Sparkle, Fog That Surrounds*, Llama*
|
|And the asterisked ones were with Santana and his percussionist. The
|weird thing is that they were still booed off even though Santana was
|playing with them?? Wow. Now *that's* a strong dislike of the band...
This is why I have a hard time believing they were really booed offstage.
The crowd paid to see Santana. Why would they boo Santana? I find it hard
to believe they were still booing when Santana came on to jam with them.
Plus, this setlist is just as long as the other European show!!! This show
is not really that much shorter. In fact, some of these songs can go on for
quite a long time. Santana might have come on stage to help out Phish and
quiet the crowd down.
I'm sure there were unruly people there. I'm sure the boos were flying. But
did Phish really leave the stage because of the boos? Did it continue to
get crazy even when Santana, the man they were there to see, came out to
join Phish? Why would they boo Santana????????
next month, on the rocks,
...AJ...
Jon Ingram
Well Fuck Europe then, I'd rather have Phish back here anway, I hope they
never tour Europe again.-Jon
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does it really matter if they got booed off stage..or just booed? i don't think so. the crowd
was unruly, wanted santana, santana came out, the crowd calmed down, phish's set was up
and they left. end of story..next show...
jte
PB4Swine
I was at this show. Phish was not booed off the stage. They were,
however, seriously booed. The show got off to a very late start and the
promoter did not give them alot of time. The rushed to set up after Joe
Satriani (who sucked big, but was loved by the Italian crowd). The sound
was absolutely horrible for the Phish set. Nothing worked. They never
really got started - even with Santana helping out. Worst set I've ever
seen. And, yes, the Italian fans booed them big, shouted obsenities, etc.
At one point there where about fifty of them giving the band the finger
at the same time. All in all it was quite entertaining.
The only other show I attended was at the Melkweg. Three amazing sets in
a miniature paradise. I guess I saw the best and worst of this tour.
Cosmic Ranger